"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
That is generally applied to immigrants. But a lot of US citizens born from foreigners get a citizenship to their parents' homeland for different reasons including legal rights and things back there.
Citizenship doesn't mean you're "invested in", it means that you can live there.
sometimes for work reasons, sometimes for family reasons.
WHY would anyone revoke their own right to live in the nation of their family, when things can go bad and they might need to go back at any moment?
you're mixing up Citizenship with... i dont even know, How much you care about the country? who do you prefer? i really don't get what you're implying here
Citizenship doesn't mean you're giving your "investment" to both countries, people have different reasons to live in different places, you can't just make it what you want.
people dont "invest on" a country, they invest in where they want to be, if a country is going to shit, they have the right to leave it, just like Americans living in other Countries have the right to go back home.
don't make a double-standart that you can't keep up.
Yeah, because having two citizenships means moving forever and destroying the place where you left.
listen, people have MORE things in life than "i love this country, thus, i'm staying here forever", people have different reasons to go different places, be "i just want to live elsewhere for some time", be running away from your family, be running away TO your family (there are tons of American-Born citizens AND Immigrants who have family overseas, and citizenship gives them the safety that they can life it all behind to go help their family if they need)
stop thinking about it as the country, America is just land, it can be whatever the government can enforce it to be.
Thinking about America as one thing is already bullshit, America is divided into states, the same "pick a country" can be said for "pick a state", same for "pick a city"
do you get how your argument has NO foundation, and it based on a nationalist view that makes no sense?
yes, America is great, if someone leaves it IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE DESTROYING IT.
PEOPLE HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY FOR FUCKS SAKE.
you can live ANYWHERE ON EARTH and be more supporting of American Principles than a person born in the US, Stop limiting Americans to just people who live exclusively in America, it doesn't work like that, you know that.
America is just this great place because people made it like it is, Stop invalidating people fighting to liberate other countries or make them better, PEOPLE MOVE, IT HAPPENS, doesn't mean they're betraying the other place, doesn't mean they're putting the new countries "interests" (whatever that means to a private citizen) in front of the old one.
Just more bullshit, nothing you said justifies the risk to America of dual citizenships. You want to help other countries while the US is tearing apart, go be part of that country.
You dont seem to understand that we are at WAR and our entire civilization is teetering on the brink.
You say we should accept more risk because its convenient for some people? That's some child like delusion. At the VERY least it must be banned for anyone holding political office.
You're still stuck in the globalist mindset of the last 50 years, America must sacrifice for everyone's sake. No more.
Exactly this. With Commonwealth citizenship, I could set up a business in the Cayman Island, own American subsidiaries, and evade a shit ton of taxes. It's like we're a colony again, with how much you can get away with.
No, any jewish person has a right to return to the homeland.
Has nothing to do with immediate immigrants from Israel....
Someone who is jewish and family living here for generations can at any time, escape persecution from crimes and run home to Israel and yell "safe!" like a childs game.
Exactly like the child of a US parent born abroad, they are ELIGIBLE for citizenship. But they need to apply, actually go to Israel and live there, and go through a lengthy process. It is not automatic. Yes, as in the US example above it is rarely denied, but certainly not never. Most famously, it was denied to Meyer Lansky.
Don’t claim you ‘know’ the process when your initial statement above was flat-out factually wrong.
The concept that somebody can owe allegience to 2 nations is antithetical to the very idea of a nation as a discrete group of people united under shared elements within a border. If you can be both a citizen of Saudi Arabia and of America, then what principles are you held to? Who are your people? It creates conflicting loyalties and the sort of "citizen of the world" type shit. Those are my views at least on the concept in a broad view.
This is the key issue imo, dual or even Tri Citizenship isn’t about allegiance at all… it’s mainly for tax and healthcare benefits. It’s a bastardized world.
I couldn't help but notice you put forth several problems that are not real problems... they are road-blocks created by the government of the country you are working a contract in. This is not a problem of citizenship this is a problem of bureaucratic non-sense. If that country needs your skilled labor then they should structure their laws to allow you to fulfill such a contract without requiring you to pledge to be a full citizen.
The point is that you are either loyal to a country or you are not. What if those two countries go to war with each other? For example Japan in WWII... perhaps the issue of the internment camps would have been a mute point if all Japanese citizens would have been required to formally renounce their Japanese citizenship when they became an American Citizen. Sure there might have been a few spies mixed in their but it would have been a clear sign that those people were committed to their move to the USA and that things like the internment camps were not needed.
The real problem here is that our global elitists have no loyalty to any country. As such they should not be allowed to hold elected office and their business transactions should be monitored. They also should not be immune to being spied upon like a citizen is. They use it like a shield to protect them while they work to destroy the very country they have citizenship in.
I don't care what they do to or in other countries but if these people are disloyal to the USA at the VERY LEAST they should be stripped of that citizenship. After due process of course.
And that is very common. Most people against it will point out Israel or the Saudis, buy plenty of red blooded Americans are in your situation. Not everyone's family has been here for 3+ generations.
you're not messing up America because your bitch ass is leaving to another country to help your family, its just you, your business, don't act like its a act of treason to go to another place to take care of someone.
you CAN claim allegiance and keep the foot at the door, the foot doesn't mean betraying the country, it means JUST MOVING THERE FFS.
Not every country has a pledge of allegiance to be a citizen, AFAIK Most dont, so you're not pledging allegiance to both.
also, Who the fuck cares about Allegiance to the country? you're just a citizen, don't act like you're that big of a deal, like anyone cares about what country "you're favoring", Private Property is supreme, i do what the fuck i want with it, for the reasons i want to do it, don't act like you can ban a random citizen from their private property for "putting other nation's interests in front of America's", because this means NOTHING, except when treason is commited, which is a OBJECTIVE thing, not a subjective concept like what you're describing.
That is the most long winded leftest style rant I have seen in a while. You can still visit family without being a citizen. We don’t need people voting to send US dollars to ShitStainastan because they own property there. Put both feet in the game or get the fuck out.
It happens a lot on countries based on jus sanguinis (blood right), where you obtain citizenship there forever wherever you decide to live, due to belonging to that people. Good examples are Italy, where having italian parents grants you citizenship, and Israel, where citizenship is granted to all jews.
I haven't made up my mind up about dual citizenship generally (whether it would be ok for people in the general public) but there should not be dual citizens working in the Pentagon, cabinet positions (at least ones pertaining to foreign policy), or in leadership positions in the military.
There are a striking number of Israel-US dual citizens in the Pentagon, and in military/civilian intelligence. It's time we grapple with the dangerous repercussions of this trend.
No, an American Citizen can be a Dual-Citizen of many countries. There are some countries which don't allow that. In some countries it is dangerous to be a dual-citizen since if the dual-citizen is inside the country he can be drafted for military service (Greece, for instance).
Japan requires a renunciation of citizenship to all other homelands, for example. Reason being, if you are a Japanese citizen, you are Japanese.
I'm not clear on how the U.S. handles the situation though. I've never really sat down and researched what happens if you renounce citizenship to a country that states that by blood we are citizens.
It depends on the laws of the other country. US allows two citizenships, so if you have one other you can aquire the US one as well. If you are a US citizen and you move to another country, it is up to their laws about whether you can keep your citizenship if you want to take theirs.
HOW IS THIS NOT ALREADY BANNED
THE CITIZENSHIP OATH READS:
[EMPHASIS MINE]
No further comment needed, just do what it says.
That is generally applied to immigrants. But a lot of US citizens born from foreigners get a citizenship to their parents' homeland for different reasons including legal rights and things back there.
This is true. I suggest ban dual citizenship for elected officials at state and national levels.
Ban dual citizenship Nation-Wide.
America should be squarely for those 100% invested in America. No 50%.
Sorry, Ted, you have to do it a second time.
yeah, this doesn't work.
Citizenship doesn't mean you're "invested in", it means that you can live there.
sometimes for work reasons, sometimes for family reasons.
WHY would anyone revoke their own right to live in the nation of their family, when things can go bad and they might need to go back at any moment?
you're mixing up Citizenship with... i dont even know, How much you care about the country? who do you prefer? i really don't get what you're implying here
Citizenship doesn't mean you're giving your "investment" to both countries, people have different reasons to live in different places, you can't just make it what you want.
people dont "invest on" a country, they invest in where they want to be, if a country is going to shit, they have the right to leave it, just like Americans living in other Countries have the right to go back home.
don't make a double-standart that you can't keep up.
Bullshit, pick one country and have citizenship.
Why put you heart and soul into saving america if you can just milk her dry and move?
Yeah, because having two citizenships means moving forever and destroying the place where you left.
listen, people have MORE things in life than "i love this country, thus, i'm staying here forever", people have different reasons to go different places, be "i just want to live elsewhere for some time", be running away from your family, be running away TO your family (there are tons of American-Born citizens AND Immigrants who have family overseas, and citizenship gives them the safety that they can life it all behind to go help their family if they need)
stop thinking about it as the country, America is just land, it can be whatever the government can enforce it to be.
Thinking about America as one thing is already bullshit, America is divided into states, the same "pick a country" can be said for "pick a state", same for "pick a city"
do you get how your argument has NO foundation, and it based on a nationalist view that makes no sense?
yes, America is great, if someone leaves it IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE DESTROYING IT.
PEOPLE HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY FOR FUCKS SAKE.
you can live ANYWHERE ON EARTH and be more supporting of American Principles than a person born in the US, Stop limiting Americans to just people who live exclusively in America, it doesn't work like that, you know that.
America is just this great place because people made it like it is, Stop invalidating people fighting to liberate other countries or make them better, PEOPLE MOVE, IT HAPPENS, doesn't mean they're betraying the other place, doesn't mean they're putting the new countries "interests" (whatever that means to a private citizen) in front of the old one.
Just more bullshit, nothing you said justifies the risk to America of dual citizenships. You want to help other countries while the US is tearing apart, go be part of that country.
You dont seem to understand that we are at WAR and our entire civilization is teetering on the brink.
You say we should accept more risk because its convenient for some people? That's some child like delusion. At the VERY least it must be banned for anyone holding political office.
You're still stuck in the globalist mindset of the last 50 years, America must sacrifice for everyone's sake. No more.
Exactly this. With Commonwealth citizenship, I could set up a business in the Cayman Island, own American subsidiaries, and evade a shit ton of taxes. It's like we're a colony again, with how much you can get away with.
yeah, with a gun i could kill a innocent person in the street.
or, listen to me, i WOULDN'T.
it's almost like, it isn't about what tools you have, but what you do with them...
it's almost like Citizenship doesn't determine what your goals are in life, or what country you favor more
And everyone.
Fuck em, they have to choose
Ok
So, no more immigrants from Israel, as they can't really reject that Israeli passport - it will always be waiting for them.
No, any jewish person has a right to return to the homeland. Has nothing to do with immediate immigrants from Israel.... Someone who is jewish and family living here for generations can at any time, escape persecution from crimes and run home to Israel and yell "safe!" like a childs game.
No, they aren’t.
Any Jew has the right to CLAIM Israeli Citizenship, through a process. They still have to actually choose to claim it, snd ho through said process.
I didn’t agree at all. You were wrong.
Exactly like the child of a US parent born abroad, they are ELIGIBLE for citizenship. But they need to apply, actually go to Israel and live there, and go through a lengthy process. It is not automatic. Yes, as in the US example above it is rarely denied, but certainly not never. Most famously, it was denied to Meyer Lansky.
Don’t claim you ‘know’ the process when your initial statement above was flat-out factually wrong.
Sure, but telling all the jews already here to go isn't going to happen. Start with stopping immigration.
Cuz we haven’t been a Republic, we’ve been under USA, Inc. & Admiralty law.
OK but Republic appears nowhere in the oath, and I haven't seen proof of being under a USA Inc. or admiralty law.
If you have it please share, thx
https://youtu.be/GofjlCkCnQ0
They corrupted the Republic in 1871 when they established USA, Inc. in the Act of 1871. USA, Inc is, I believe bankrupt and defunct.
The concept of duel citizenship that he disagrees with is likely serving in Congress.
Our elected leaders should have no other allegiances.
Is Omar a duelly?
You bet your ass she is.
What about, say, spouses of elected leaders?
The concept that somebody can owe allegience to 2 nations is antithetical to the very idea of a nation as a discrete group of people united under shared elements within a border. If you can be both a citizen of Saudi Arabia and of America, then what principles are you held to? Who are your people? It creates conflicting loyalties and the sort of "citizen of the world" type shit. Those are my views at least on the concept in a broad view.
And you wouldn’t be wrong … then put those people in congress and all levels of gov’ment … and here we are.
But muh globalism...
Bbuttt...muh tax benefit & healthcare?
This is the key issue imo, dual or even Tri Citizenship isn’t about allegiance at all… it’s mainly for tax and healthcare benefits. It’s a bastardized world.
Allegiance to ONE and one only nation. Anything different should be illegal.
I'd be fine they dont get their citizenship back.
Bingo, they chose to chase money, live with your choices
I couldn't help but notice you put forth several problems that are not real problems... they are road-blocks created by the government of the country you are working a contract in. This is not a problem of citizenship this is a problem of bureaucratic non-sense. If that country needs your skilled labor then they should structure their laws to allow you to fulfill such a contract without requiring you to pledge to be a full citizen.
The point is that you are either loyal to a country or you are not. What if those two countries go to war with each other? For example Japan in WWII... perhaps the issue of the internment camps would have been a mute point if all Japanese citizens would have been required to formally renounce their Japanese citizenship when they became an American Citizen. Sure there might have been a few spies mixed in their but it would have been a clear sign that those people were committed to their move to the USA and that things like the internment camps were not needed.
The real problem here is that our global elitists have no loyalty to any country. As such they should not be allowed to hold elected office and their business transactions should be monitored. They also should not be immune to being spied upon like a citizen is. They use it like a shield to protect them while they work to destroy the very country they have citizenship in.
I don't care what they do to or in other countries but if these people are disloyal to the USA at the VERY LEAST they should be stripped of that citizenship. After due process of course.
Guess you can just stay home or pick,its not that hard.
Israel’s Law Of Return, makes it easy for dual citizenship. I wonder how many of our Congress would escape there if it got to ? here?
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2018/12/10/dual-citizens-in-congress-we-need-to-know/
You are either loyal to the US or Israel. No politician in our country should have a citizenship of any other country.
Do you think it's wrong that Melania and her son have dual citizenship (Slovenia)?
Yes.
Won't be long before he is cancelled .. the (((jews))) don't permit (((their))) machinations to be illuminated.
There is plenty of shilling for pro dual citizenship in this thread... wonder Jews, I mean who’s behind it.
Yes I do, the brackets signify anything (((Jew))) related.
And that is very common. Most people against it will point out Israel or the Saudis, buy plenty of red blooded Americans are in your situation. Not everyone's family has been here for 3+ generations.
This. It can be very helpful for travel, especially if you're traveling more than once in your life since you have family there.
Choose faggot
He did, read that first sentence again
No he didn’t. Read the last sentence. You can’t just claim allegiance but still keep one foot out the door.
Family first, faggot.
you're not messing up America because your bitch ass is leaving to another country to help your family, its just you, your business, don't act like its a act of treason to go to another place to take care of someone.
you CAN claim allegiance and keep the foot at the door, the foot doesn't mean betraying the country, it means JUST MOVING THERE FFS.
Not every country has a pledge of allegiance to be a citizen, AFAIK Most dont, so you're not pledging allegiance to both.
also, Who the fuck cares about Allegiance to the country? you're just a citizen, don't act like you're that big of a deal, like anyone cares about what country "you're favoring", Private Property is supreme, i do what the fuck i want with it, for the reasons i want to do it, don't act like you can ban a random citizen from their private property for "putting other nation's interests in front of America's", because this means NOTHING, except when treason is commited, which is a OBJECTIVE thing, not a subjective concept like what you're describing.
dumb fuck
That is the most long winded leftest style rant I have seen in a while. You can still visit family without being a citizen. We don’t need people voting to send US dollars to ShitStainastan because they own property there. Put both feet in the game or get the fuck out.
Oh vey ! Anti-something
It happens a lot on countries based on jus sanguinis (blood right), where you obtain citizenship there forever wherever you decide to live, due to belonging to that people. Good examples are Italy, where having italian parents grants you citizenship, and Israel, where citizenship is granted to all jews.
Unless you are black, Israel is constantly trying to give them the boot
This is from 2018. The number should be a big fat ZERO, but it was 89 at the time.
This was the situation in 2017.
I haven't made up my mind up about dual citizenship generally (whether it would be ok for people in the general public) but there should not be dual citizens working in the Pentagon, cabinet positions (at least ones pertaining to foreign policy), or in leadership positions in the military.
There are a striking number of Israel-US dual citizens in the Pentagon, and in military/civilian intelligence. It's time we grapple with the dangerous repercussions of this trend.
I have been vocal about this for quite some time. Especially against elected officials who carry a dual citizenship. Many of them Israeli.
Even as an expat i refuse to seek dual citizenship. Ill be an american till i die.
Also ban importing of commies.
It's one of the most evil things on the fucking planet.
Absolutely
No, an American Citizen can be a Dual-Citizen of many countries. There are some countries which don't allow that. In some countries it is dangerous to be a dual-citizen since if the dual-citizen is inside the country he can be drafted for military service (Greece, for instance).
Depends on the recipient country.
Japan requires a renunciation of citizenship to all other homelands, for example. Reason being, if you are a Japanese citizen, you are Japanese.
I'm not clear on how the U.S. handles the situation though. I've never really sat down and researched what happens if you renounce citizenship to a country that states that by blood we are citizens.
It depends on the laws of the other country. US allows two citizenships, so if you have one other you can aquire the US one as well. If you are a US citizen and you move to another country, it is up to their laws about whether you can keep your citizenship if you want to take theirs.