Classifying as a religion would be counterproductive since that would put it under the protection of the first amendment. This is how satanists argue for the "right" to have abortions.
Perhaps it should be classified as a terroristic ideology.
Awesome, but drilling in, it turns out that the only penalty to defying this is a $1000 fine in each instance. So, not sure this will deter big companies that are pushing the mandate. Once the legislature makes it a law, hopefully they increase the fines.
Tall too. I live in NE Texas and can drive 13 hours South and still be in Texas. Conversely, I can drive Northeast for 13 hours and be in WISCONSIN.....! Let that sink in eh.?
I would think companies working in Texas that work also in other states must keep consistency in there employment rules. So it might help in other states.
Yeah - i think all these anti mandate / pro mandate laws/orders/regulations are going to be fought in court. I don’t know how it will end up - maybe at the Supreme Court I guess
Have this go through the legislature for Gods sake. Executing order by fiat in the name of freedom is more harmful than our current situation in the long run, tyranny is wrong no matter who's side it supports.
Abbott also called on the Legislature to pass a law with the same effect. The Legislature is in its third special legislative session, which ends Oct. 19.
“No entity in Texas can compel receipt of a covid 19 vaccine by any individual, including an employee or consumer, who objects to such vaccination for any reason of personal conscience, based on religious belief, or for medical reasons, including recovery from covid 19”.
My take is that the comma after personal conscience is an (or).
I read it as …”for any reason of personal conscience, or based on religious beliefs, or for medical reasons including recovery from…..”.
I wish, but that's an incorrect reading. Just as "including recovery from covid 19" is a dependant phrase that functions as a descriptor of "medical reasons," "based on religious belief" is a descriptor for "reason."
Just remember the vaccines were made with aborted fetal tissue and you're probably covered.
Now when I read it, I can see how the comma's can be interpreted either way. (too bad he didn't just go with something like ....for the following reasons: 1) xxxx, 2) xxxx, 3)xxx ... )
Unless in conflict with the US Constitution, State law typically overrides due to Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Biden had a press conference stating there would be an executive order on government contractors requiring the jib jab by the new year... I have yet to find the executive order on the congress website. As far as I am concerned, there is no executive order that I am able to find or anyone else is able to find.
I do know that if there was an executive order, it would then become a federal law which supersedes state law.
It's not officially in any federal law. And even if it does, state law still overrides it. You are mistaken that federal law supersedes state law. That's what the 10th amendment is all about. Most people don't realize that the states have way more authority in this country.
As far as your question goes as to what has officially been released:
The "guidance" states it overrides state law, but that is in direct conflict with the 10th amendment which gives this authority to State Law.
It'll be challenged in the courts, but the problem is since its not technically law it can't be brought to court. It'll probably happen when the clauses come out and companies start suing the federal government.
This is nothing more than a "strongly worded letter."
Here's "section 418.173 of the Texas Government Code"
Pursuant to the legislature's command in Section 418.173 of the Texas Government Code and the State's emergency management plan, the imposition of any conflicting or inconsistent limitation by a local governmental entity or official constitutes a "failure to comply with" this executive order that is subject to a fine up to $1,000.
As if $1,000 will many any of these companies change policy
$1000 per infraction. Presumably, this means $1000 per individual they illegally compel, not to mention the legal fees required to defend themselves. Could add up fast, hopefully it's a strong enough deterrent.
Let me be the first to say this is garbage. Too many weasel words. Part 1 first sentence should end right after "FOR ANY REASON". The words that follow, right up to the end of that sentence, serve only to muddy the water and force you into long and expensive court battle over the meaning of this or that. I call BS!
Unfortunately, it only provides for up to a $1,000 fine. The supposed "federal" fine for NOT ensuring every employee gets the clot shot is $14,000. Companies might just shrug and pay the $1,000 as the mess risky maneuver.
The TX House needs to step up and pass a REAL bill that has massive fines!
Have any other states done this? Is there a list by state anywhere? I need to move out of Cali. Don’t make fun — it’s the most beautiful state I’ve ever been to. This is not easy.
Classify Communism as a religion and ban it from schools.
Classifying as a religion would be counterproductive since that would put it under the protection of the first amendment. This is how satanists argue for the "right" to have abortions.
Perhaps it should be classified as a terroristic ideology.
More like a terrorist group
That's reserved for parents that care that their kids aren't taught to hate white people.
Classify Communism as terrorism
Blantifa, good one. Lol
Actually some are whantifa...
Amen
Nice one. Abbot is slightly less of a cuck. Slightly.
😂☝🏼
Awesome, but drilling in, it turns out that the only penalty to defying this is a $1000 fine in each instance. So, not sure this will deter big companies that are pushing the mandate. Once the legislature makes it a law, hopefully they increase the fines.
$1,000 x 100 = $100,000 $1,000 x 500 = $500,000 I think they will notice!
Can you help me balance my credit card debt?
HAHAHAHAHAH!
Must be made higher
So, wonder how this affects airlines who are hq in Texas, Southwest Airlines, and American still is I think...any thoughts?
It will definitely effect them as HQ and possibly nation wide (done for one group but not the rest?) and anyone with hubs in Texas, like United at IAH
Gov Hot Wheels...Lol
What did American do about US air HQ ( Phoenix)?
I’m on my way to Texas via road trip as we speak. This is great news to me!
I did it recently. After you enter Texas, you will spend whole day driving and still be in Texas. It is that wide, unbelievable and interesting.
Tall too. I live in NE Texas and can drive 13 hours South and still be in Texas. Conversely, I can drive Northeast for 13 hours and be in WISCONSIN.....! Let that sink in eh.?
So did Oracle.
Southwest is from Texas too... This will be interesting...
I would think companies working in Texas that work also in other states must keep consistency in there employment rules. So it might help in other states.
Or any company with people in TX
Too bad Kentucky governor is a POS
But Rand Paul is Uber kek
Does this protect federal workers?
“No entity in Texas”.
Who knows according to the corrupt justice system though. The answer is probably maybe.
Yeah - i think all these anti mandate / pro mandate laws/orders/regulations are going to be fought in court. I don’t know how it will end up - maybe at the Supreme Court I guess
Pretty sure feds can't be more restrictive than the State laws..
I'm curious of this too. The Air Force basic is in Texas. I wonder..?
Have this go through the legislature for Gods sake. Executing order by fiat in the name of freedom is more harmful than our current situation in the long run, tyranny is wrong no matter who's side it supports.
Abbott also called on the Legislature to pass a law with the same effect. The Legislature is in its third special legislative session, which ends Oct. 19.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
Note that "reason of personal conscience" is limited to religious objection. I would prefer that it say "personal objection for any reason".
“No entity in Texas can compel receipt of a covid 19 vaccine by any individual, including an employee or consumer, who objects to such vaccination for any reason of personal conscience, based on religious belief, or for medical reasons, including recovery from covid 19”.
My take is that the comma after personal conscience is an (or).
I read it as …”for any reason of personal conscience, or based on religious beliefs, or for medical reasons including recovery from…..”.
I wish, but that's an incorrect reading. Just as "including recovery from covid 19" is a dependant phrase that functions as a descriptor of "medical reasons," "based on religious belief" is a descriptor for "reason."
Just remember the vaccines were made with aborted fetal tissue and you're probably covered.
All I can say is I am not taking the jab under any circumstances.
Now when I read it, I can see how the comma's can be interpreted either way. (too bad he didn't just go with something like ....for the following reasons: 1) xxxx, 2) xxxx, 3)xxx ... )
I think you're misreading it. It's a comma with an or listing out three independent reasons:
Awesome. One less thing to worry about.
Say it with me "Vaxxed Covidians" disciples of the bought and paid for false Dr. Faucci
Southwest Airlines is based in Dallas Texas. Yeah!
All states follow suit, NOW. This is non-negotiable.
how will this effect employers who are government contractors?
Unless in conflict with the US Constitution, State law typically overrides due to Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."
Biden had a press conference stating there would be an executive order on government contractors requiring the jib jab by the new year... I have yet to find the executive order on the congress website. As far as I am concerned, there is no executive order that I am able to find or anyone else is able to find.
I do know that if there was an executive order, it would then become a federal law which supersedes state law.
Anyone help me out here?
It's not officially in any federal law. And even if it does, state law still overrides it. You are mistaken that federal law supersedes state law. That's what the 10th amendment is all about. Most people don't realize that the states have way more authority in this country.
As far as your question goes as to what has officially been released:
Biden gave an EO on Sep 9th. The EO states that there will be a task force established ("Safer Federal Workforce") that will work on establishing "guidance". It then directs federal agencies to put contractual language requiring the contractor to comply with the Safer Federal Workforce Guidance. The EO can be found: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/09/09/executive-order-on-ensuring-adequate-covid-safety-protocols-for-federal-contractors/
Safer Federal Workforce Guidance put out guidance basically saying all contractors needed to be fully vaccinated by Dec 8th: https://www.saferfederalworkforce.gov/downloads/Draft%20contractor%20guidance%20doc_20210922.pdf
The "guidance" states it overrides state law, but that is in direct conflict with the 10th amendment which gives this authority to State Law.
It'll be challenged in the courts, but the problem is since its not technically law it can't be brought to court. It'll probably happen when the clauses come out and companies start suing the federal government.
Thank you my fine sir. I am bringing this up with upper management this evening during a meeting. God bless you.
Good question that I'd also love to know please and thank you.
Governor of Alaska, you need to follow suit! This is how we overcome the baloney.
Hey dicksticks.
This is nothing more than a "strongly worded letter."
Here's "section 418.173 of the Texas Government Code"
Pursuant to the legislature's command in Section 418.173 of the Texas Government Code and the State's emergency management plan, the imposition of any conflicting or inconsistent limitation by a local governmental entity or official constitutes a "failure to comply with" this executive order that is subject to a fine up to $1,000.
As if $1,000 will many any of these companies change policy
Whoopdy friggin doo
You think companies like Lockheed would care about a $500k fine?
Great. But why do I feel like you have to beat Greg like a pinata to get him to stop covifascism every step of the fucking way?
This is what you calling winning, bigly!
Abbott thinks the "vaccine" is fda approved!
https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/EO-GA-39_prohibiting_vaccine_mandates_and_vaccine_passports_IMAGE_08-25-2021.pdf
"Confinement in jail is not an available penalty for violating this executive order." Soo... what is the penalty?
A fine not to exceed $1,000
Ya $1000 doesnt seem like much of a deterrent. Maybe with it being a EO they can now hold it up in the courts for a long time.
$1000 per infraction. Presumably, this means $1000 per individual they illegally compel, not to mention the legal fees required to defend themselves. Could add up fast, hopefully it's a strong enough deterrent.
The eyes of Texas are upon you
Please say this includes hospitals and VA facilities!!! PLEASE!!!
Can you come govern Missouri and go take over Washington State too? Please
Hmm....not on the website yet. Only goes to GA-39.
The website <---
Aren't American and Southwest Airlines based in Texas?
This is going to be real interesting watching this play out.
God bless you, Texas. God bless you. I needed this today.
Sent to all my Tx Frens 👍🏽💥
Let me be the first to say this is garbage. Too many weasel words. Part 1 first sentence should end right after "FOR ANY REASON". The words that follow, right up to the end of that sentence, serve only to muddy the water and force you into long and expensive court battle over the meaning of this or that. I call BS!
EDIT: Oops, not first. Sorry PhDinNY.
Thank you.
So many people desperate to latch onto ANY good news.
This EO does nothing. The penalty for violating it is $1,000
Unfortunately, it only provides for up to a $1,000 fine. The supposed "federal" fine for NOT ensuring every employee gets the clot shot is $14,000. Companies might just shrug and pay the $1,000 as the mess risky maneuver.
The TX House needs to step up and pass a REAL bill that has massive fines!
Well of course, the little RINO wants to get re-elected doesn’t he?
Have any other states done this? Is there a list by state anywhere? I need to move out of Cali. Don’t make fun — it’s the most beautiful state I’ve ever been to. This is not easy.