Ain't That The Truth
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Coal, natural gas, and nuclear powered. Solar and wind production is so minimal that they don't enter the conversation.
Most solar and wind generators haven't even offset the fossil fuels that were used to produce them.
Liberal mathematics says solar and wind are amazing and there's zero drawbacks.
That's some good maff right there.
Common Core at its....eh, Core.
Like an apple core? 🙃
But but but it’s free ...
A single 300W solar panel can provide enough energy to power a Tesla for 1000 miles over the course of a year. Ten 300W solar panels can provide enough energy to replace themselves and power a Tesla for 20,000 miles over the course of two years while continuing to provide energy for the next 23 years. With ten 300W solar panels the expected output would be enough to charge a Tesla for its entire life and produce another 100-120 solar panels. Coal is necessary as a main energy source for now, but it does not have to always be that way.
EDIT This is just math regarding the expected output of a 300W solar panel over the course of its expected lifetime using a Tesla for example. What solar panels power and them not be recycled because of cronyism are two separate discussions.
lol... you forgot to mention that the plastics used in your solar panels come from petroleum products.... you forgot to mention that solar panels have short useful lives and then off to the landfills.... you forgot to mention that colossal environmental impact of mining and refining lithium and the amount of energy used to make the batteries for just one car.... and you forgot to mention that when the batteries are no longer any good, they can be recycled and they're considered toxic waste and will end up in a landfill. funny how these things can get overlooked whilst virtue signalling.
ruh roh, climate change conspirators!!
Bioplastics can replace most petrochemical plastics and both can be recycled. Solar panels can be recycled, but are usually not because it is expensive to recycle them. Batteries can also be recycled to extract cobalt, lithium salt concentrate, stainless steel, copper, aluminum and plastic from them. Not everything is black and white.
Such a pipe dream. All this depends on the car being there to charge during working hours. All these scenarios on how good solar is, depends on not using it in real world applications. Everyone is so sick of the idealized solar marketing. It is one big lie.
I agree that marketing is one big lie. I have never relied on marketing to make purchases. Driving electric is a lifestyle choice that not everybody can commit to. That is perfectly fine. I hold the opinion that more energy sources is better for everybody.
The bigger problem is that electric car batteries are one of the worst ways to power moving vehicles. As they discharge they remain a burdensome deadweight, their manufacturing process is absolutely abysmal from an environmental standpoint, and in accidents there is no way to stop an electric car battery fire; you can only wait for hours for it to burn itself out. Oil and hydrocarbons still remain the best "batteries" for vehicles. They are safer, cleaner and more efficient, and could be even more so if we used better tech like fuel cells or linear piston engines to generate the electricity. If solar energy absolutely must enter the energy equation somewhere, then it should be in the form of "solar farms" in barren desert areas that use glass chimney structures made from the local sand to process landfill waste into usable oil.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "burdensome deadweight" and "absolutely abysmal". That is loaded language that does not provide any insight as to what your argument is. How often do electric car batteries ignite? I agree that oil and hydrocarbons are more efficient. I also agree on the solar farms point.
A half-tank of gas is lighter than a full tank of gas. As a gasoline vehicle burns its fuel, the total weight of the vehicle gets lighter and thus it can use its remaining gas more efficiently. Used gasoline doesn't weigh the vehicle down.
In contrast, there is no appreciable decrease in weight for an electric vehicle (EV) battery at half-charge compared to full charge. Thus, the vehicle's efficiency does not increase. It's not just a figure of speech, discharged batteries are literally burdensome deadweight for any moving vehicle.
Other people in this thread have already pointed out the sheer environmental destruction involved with the manufacturing process of EV batteries. Absolutely abysmal fits the situation to a T, especially since the whole point of EVs in the first place is to be enviornmentally friendly.
The rate of EV battery fires? Let's assume purely for the purpose of argument that the chance of an EV battery fire is less than the chance of a fire from gasoline cars. However, unlike a gas car fire, an EV battery fire CANNOT BE STOPPED. It is an entirely self-sustaining reaction. Every EV battery fire MUST and WILL burn to 100% completion, and spew ALL of its toxic heavy metal components into the environment for hours on end. A single EV battery fire is almost certainly guaranteed to be much, much more damaging than a single gas car fire, because (1) gasoline fires can actually be stopped long before they burn to completion, and (2) burning gas produces less toxins than burning EV batteries; combustion is literally the whole reason why we make gasoline in the first place! It is therefore not enough for the chance of EV battery fires to be just "less than" gas fires, they need to orders of magnitude lower to be in any way comparable to gas fire damage.
Every single EV battery fire matters a HELL of a lot more than a single gas car fire, because EV battery fires are uncontrollable, and also spread toxic waste in direct violation of their intended design purpose. It is such a colossal engineering failure that it would be funny, except that there are very powerful groups pushing to mandate the current state of EVs for widespread mass adoption over conventional gas vehicles. Madness.
Thank you for elaborating. Do you happen to know how much more efficient a vehicle with half a tank of gas vs. a full tank of gas is? It is a negligible amount.
Lithium can be recycled. Coal gets used up. Both have negative impact on the environment. Only one of them can sustain long term energy needs. The focus will eventually turn to large-scale recycling of lithium batteries instead of mining.
Electric vehicle batteries will become safer over time with advancements such as solid-state cells that will be making their way in to electric vehicles within the next 5-10 years.
When people put out these comments I wonder if they actually even have a solar system? If it’s actually in use and powering their car? We all know all they want is to sell the American public the guilt trip of climate change. We don’t have an electric car to expensive. Our reason was to have a spare backup off grid system. We personally have a solar array of 16 panels and a small wind mill with 10 batteries to store the energy for future or current use. This system is nothing more than backup for lights and refrigeration, as the lowest possible draw of electricity which it handles well. It can not power our whole house, the hot water heater or the main heating (natural gas) furnace, clothes dryer, or clothes washer, or any air conditioning or heat unit. I knew that however it is what it is a backup system. A gas powered generator will provide the rest in case it’s needed. Otherwise we will have to stay with our main electric grid. Are you thinking the Tesla solar power wall panels that are thousands of dollars? To power a thousand’s of dollars of electric vehicle?
You would need a combination of between twenty and thirty 300W and 500W panels plus battery storage to reliably power the average home all year entirely with solar energy.
It’s so expensive and really the price is prohibitive for most and would buy a lot of coal power. I like to be self reliant but in order to get there investing 30k in a solar system that is so environmentally unfriendly deters me.
Gotta wonder how much power is used just manufacturing the wind & solar crap that can't even be put in a landfill.
They never offset the costs. All the studies I have seen show they are a net negative in carbon emissions.
That doesnt even take into account their 20 year max lifespan and the disposal of almost completely unrecyclable materials. Or the wildlife they kill. Or the dystopian vistas they produce.
The rising gas prices are supposed to make us want these............. yet the price of electricity is skyrocketing as well....... make it make sense.
It never will make sense...
"Helping liberals pretend they are solving a make-believe crisis."
Facebook was ahead of the curve too. You mean adding a Ukrainian/French/Belgian/Gay/etc flag filter to my profile picture isn't stopping the violence? /s
The best real life example was an EV charging station that was installed using a diesel generator to produce electricity, giving a Tesla about 6.8 MPG lol!
I only drive an electric car because I can charge at work for free.
GE: We bring good things to life (no matter how much it hurts you).
Yeah and those chargers are just ugly, and the mess and cost to maintain them. How long to they have to be plugged in?
I have a battery powered weed eater, I like it because it's lightweight and I don't have to mess with gas, but the battery does take a long time to charge.
Not forgetting on a Tesla the battery change at the 8 - 10yr point costing around 10K!
And the spent battery is a giant piece of hazardous waste, while the new battery required X number of tons of earth to be strip mined to acquire the material.
Woulda been fun to be stuck in that east coast blizzard for 24 hours in an electric car.
Yes, it would have been your very own not so mobile morgue.
Wow thanks to those long lasting LEF bulbs our electric is around eighty a month for a two story house with a full basement, and there's always a light on in the basement and over the kitchen sink.
it would suck if someone walked by and loosened those plugs just enough, wouldn't it?
I took a ride in a Tesla Model S Plaid.
It was totally unreal how quick that car was. 0-60 in under 2 seconds, and it was fighting for traction at all 4 wheels above 110mph....... with 4 people in the car!
Truly mind blowing.
I still won't adopt until there is a big improvement in battery technology. Like a 10-fold increase in range, a large reduction in mass, and can be created in a clean, manner. Just look at the lithium mines. Scars on the Earth. And the fact that China controls most of the world's Lithium.
No thanks, for today.
Yea, if the batteries don't get better, I'm waiting for someone to invest in quick battery swaps like some asian countries do for scooters. Waiting around 20+ minutes instead of 2 minutes to refuel for a long trip is fucked.
Here's an interesting take on the whole energy topic. Long presentation, but worth it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qWyhKobyM68
Doesn't the electric motor have immediate torque though?
My (non-tesla) EV goes 0-60 in just over 5 seconds. It is quick as shit.
I wonder how good they really are for the environment when a tow company has to dump 1 in a dumpster and drown it to put out the 4th fire of the day. This is a big problem for tow companies. Some have built concrete stalls to put them in and let them burn out.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/new-lucid-air-dream-edition-burns-down-during-transport-cause-unknown
I've been telling the electric-car-tards "thanks for the acid rain" for years now. It's super fun.
all electric cars are coal burners!! just because they don't fill their tanks up with coal doesn't mean it isn't being burned for their virtue-signaling pleasure!
Just like a diesel locomotive is actually ran by electric motors
Slaves willfully accepting bondage.
Coal generates ~22% of electricity in the US. It’s much lower or higher in some places. There’s plenty of cons to using electric vehicles so there’s no reason to lie or mislead people with this idea that everyone is getting their electricity from coal power plants
that's a lower end estimate....easily could be 1/3. and regardless of the actual percentage, it's reasonable in this thread to say 22% to 1/3 of all electric car power comes from coal.
all you kiddos arguing solar vs gas when Tesla figured out how to harness free energy over 100 years ago. we dont need EITHER.