(Still has some unconstitutional bullshit in the criteria. Must prove "good moral character." Also any arrest, regardless of disposition, can disqualify. That provision can be abused like a red flag law, and affects all innocent people who've been arrested whether charged or not. Of criminals will carry anyway without filling out the application. And must complete a gun safety course, which sounds good-to-harmless but is a racket just as much as traffic school.)
A safety course is about the only requirement I can kinda agree with. It's mostly common sense but there are some stupid people out there as we are well aware.
Maybe not required but offered with a very good discount on a your first gun or ammo.
I have no issues with doing a safety course. It's the whole having to ask and pay for permission to do something I already have permission to do.
Not everybody needs a safety course; most dont-many of us grew up with guns and are fully educated-
I don't think it's fair to apply conditions to a clear spelled out right-
How much will that course cost? Who teaches it?
I don't need a course- I could teach one- I am sure as shit not paying for one...
Now, lets talk about classes and "lists"...
This is the answer - especially in states that have constitutional carry. Safety courses are worth it. They don't just teach you to point the bang bang end away from you or friendlies. I remember the one I took years ago. The instructor was really good and had us imagine an actual situation in our homes at night. The darkness, the chaos, pulling the trigger and seeing the flash, how it effects your eyes, the loud noise inside the house, the ringing in your ears, looking down the stairs or down the hall wondering if the bad guy was hit - it was a very good exercise.
I have 2 concealed permits - FL and TX. I've had TX for 8 or 9 years. I will renew it when it is due, even though TX no longer requires one. Whenever I've been pulled over for a traffic violation (maybe 4 or 5 times in the last 8 or 9 years) I've been able to give my card to the officer and things instantly changed. Cops say traffic stops are where they are in the most danger. When I hand them my card that instantly lets them know I had a background investigation, fingerprints, and have less of a probability of committing a crime than a cop does (true fact). In each of those times I was pulled over we ended up talking about guns, good local ranges, and where I bought mine. I never received a ticket, and a couple of the cops thanked me for not only showing them the permit but for carrying in general. TX cops (good ones anyway) understand that we are the ones most likely to back them up in bad situations and they appreciate it.
I mention this because the safety course I took prepared me for things like getting pulled over, and how to act. I get that we shouldn't have to do any of that, and I agree legally. My answer is that all states should have constitutional carry, and the ability to get a concealed permit if you desire. The permit should require a safety course - constitutional carry should not. If you're worried about the govt knowing you have that gun then move to a state you trust. Unless you bought the gun in a private sale, or inherited it, they already know you have it anyway. If you have to use it they will certainly know. I don't care if TX knows, and I hate that the feds know, but there isn't anything I can do about that.
By the way - here is a quote from John Lott that references the crime rates I talked about:
“In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at 1/6 of the rate at which police officers are convicted.” Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate [of firearms violations] is only 2.4 per 100,000.
Downvoted you after reading your first paragraph. Changed my mind when you changed your tune by paragraph 2 lol. By paragraph 3 I wanted to buy you a beer and changed to upvote. I'm feeling bipolar now lol
Yeah, it makes sense, if the people who require it and the ones who give it have your best interest in minds. The gun community is about the most based community around, so in practical terms it's a decent thing. But you don't know California. If you transport a gun in a locked car trunk, it needs to be stored in the locked trunk in another locked container. How many people want to move a gun safe into their trunk to go on a hunting trip? Stupid politicians will probably add an extra day of safety training every time a crime is committed until you need a full 6 weeks time off to take the course. And then add in the diversity training as being an integral part of gun safety. It starts out nice and sensible, though.
I agree with your main point but I take issue that traffic school is a waste. You can always tell people who didn't go through traffic school whenever you come to intersections. They're the ones who screw up 'right of ways' and always are the ones sitting, not moving when its their turn at 4 way stops/2 way stops and waving people through ahead of them. I know this is a TINY problem in the grand scheme of things, but, man oh man, does this get on my last nerve! Road rage is a real thing.
Besides - most insurance companies will give you a 10 or 15% discount on your premiums if you do something like take a defensive driving course every few years. I do that - a comedy course online that costs like 25$ and saves me a fair amount. If you haven't done that in the past, ask your insurance company/agent.
Do it on a Friday night after all of the offices close to give CA legislators the weekend to draft red tape that makes it nearly impossible to do again by Monday morning when the permit offices open again.
Maybe I'm batshit crazy, but that's how it looks to me.
I'm confused -- California is one of those states that has been advocating for stricter gun control measures. What did I miss here and how did they get this to pass? This is great news but I'm stunned
I wonder who I can check with? I live in NY and about 13 years ago I got arrested for a traffic violation- Ive had absolutely nothing on my record since, not even a ticket. I wonder if Id be disqualified from a handgun license?
Yeah, I had a few beers and got caught in a speed trap. I blew a .11 so I was arrested and picked up by a friend. Never saw a jail cell. I took care of everything, did all my legal stuff, got a fine and Ive never gotten arrested/ticketed in the past 13 years. I genuinely dont even know if thats still on my record but I dont really want to spend the 20$ to run a BG check on myself.
Check the new law once they clarify it. Most states tell you that you can't get a permit if you have a felony, or possibly a high level misdemeanor, and possibly domestic violence or restraining orders. Depends on the law.
In TX you have to wait 5 years after a conviction for a Class A or B misdemeanor before you can apply again. Felony convictions or domestic violence convictions (even misdemeanors) disqualify you forever. In fact family violence convictions take your gun rights away at the Federal level.
A DUI in TX will suspend your permit for 5 years if you have one, or keep you from getting one for 5 years. You get a 2nd DUI in 10 years and no more permit ever.
You mean the earthquake where California has always been red but has only been cheated by the commie Rinos and lefties. That earthquake?
The tide is definitely turning. Next stop, whole cloth market crash, housing, stocks, entire economies. And Biden and his band of clowns get blamed for EVERYTHING!
Hopefully that will be the next big gun law change - universal carry reciprocity. This ruling will have nothing to do with that, other than maybe open some of those states up to negotiating reciprocity with other states. IIRC, CA doesn't have reciprocity with any other state. Because they now have "shall issue" that could change but it would take pressure from the people.
So, California being California, should we expect some major false flag mass shootings "because of" this new law making 2A easier? Just speculation of course...
I would expect CA and NY (at least) to try to enact new laws to restrict your rights. They would figure it will take a long time for another case to make it through all the corrupt levels of the courts, and SCOTUS might not even take the case - or deny it for standing as they seem to like to do. NY looks like they will try that if the governor gets her way. That will only change when the people have the will to change their representatives.
This is great. Thanks for posting the good news.
(Still has some unconstitutional bullshit in the criteria. Must prove "good moral character." Also any arrest, regardless of disposition, can disqualify. That provision can be abused like a red flag law, and affects all innocent people who've been arrested whether charged or not. Of criminals will carry anyway without filling out the application. And must complete a gun safety course, which sounds good-to-harmless but is a racket just as much as traffic school.)
A safety course is about the only requirement I can kinda agree with. It's mostly common sense but there are some stupid people out there as we are well aware.
Maybe not required but offered with a very good discount on a your first gun or ammo.
I have no issues with doing a safety course. It's the whole having to ask and pay for permission to do something I already have permission to do.
Not everybody needs a safety course; most dont-many of us grew up with guns and are fully educated- I don't think it's fair to apply conditions to a clear spelled out right- How much will that course cost? Who teaches it? I don't need a course- I could teach one- I am sure as shit not paying for one... Now, lets talk about classes and "lists"...
A safety course (should) also includes basic legal advice so some nimrod doesn't start a fight or brandish in an argument.
This is the answer - especially in states that have constitutional carry. Safety courses are worth it. They don't just teach you to point the bang bang end away from you or friendlies. I remember the one I took years ago. The instructor was really good and had us imagine an actual situation in our homes at night. The darkness, the chaos, pulling the trigger and seeing the flash, how it effects your eyes, the loud noise inside the house, the ringing in your ears, looking down the stairs or down the hall wondering if the bad guy was hit - it was a very good exercise.
I have 2 concealed permits - FL and TX. I've had TX for 8 or 9 years. I will renew it when it is due, even though TX no longer requires one. Whenever I've been pulled over for a traffic violation (maybe 4 or 5 times in the last 8 or 9 years) I've been able to give my card to the officer and things instantly changed. Cops say traffic stops are where they are in the most danger. When I hand them my card that instantly lets them know I had a background investigation, fingerprints, and have less of a probability of committing a crime than a cop does (true fact). In each of those times I was pulled over we ended up talking about guns, good local ranges, and where I bought mine. I never received a ticket, and a couple of the cops thanked me for not only showing them the permit but for carrying in general. TX cops (good ones anyway) understand that we are the ones most likely to back them up in bad situations and they appreciate it.
I mention this because the safety course I took prepared me for things like getting pulled over, and how to act. I get that we shouldn't have to do any of that, and I agree legally. My answer is that all states should have constitutional carry, and the ability to get a concealed permit if you desire. The permit should require a safety course - constitutional carry should not. If you're worried about the govt knowing you have that gun then move to a state you trust. Unless you bought the gun in a private sale, or inherited it, they already know you have it anyway. If you have to use it they will certainly know. I don't care if TX knows, and I hate that the feds know, but there isn't anything I can do about that.
By the way - here is a quote from John Lott that references the crime rates I talked about:
Lol maybe a test to show competency? That’s one thing I think should be required. People should show they know how to use a gun properly.
Shall not be infringed unless you fail a government test. Im pretty sure that's how it goes
NO.NO.NO. SHALL NOT MEANS SHALL NOT.
Don't have to required but offered with a nice discount on your first purchase or something. Give people a reason to do it.
Downvoted you after reading your first paragraph. Changed my mind when you changed your tune by paragraph 2 lol. By paragraph 3 I wanted to buy you a beer and changed to upvote. I'm feeling bipolar now lol
Yeah, it makes sense, if the people who require it and the ones who give it have your best interest in minds. The gun community is about the most based community around, so in practical terms it's a decent thing. But you don't know California. If you transport a gun in a locked car trunk, it needs to be stored in the locked trunk in another locked container. How many people want to move a gun safe into their trunk to go on a hunting trip? Stupid politicians will probably add an extra day of safety training every time a crime is committed until you need a full 6 weeks time off to take the course. And then add in the diversity training as being an integral part of gun safety. It starts out nice and sensible, though.
Luckily there’s almost nothing you can get arrested for in California lol. You can shoplift $995 every week and still keep your carry permit
I agree with your main point but I take issue that traffic school is a waste. You can always tell people who didn't go through traffic school whenever you come to intersections. They're the ones who screw up 'right of ways' and always are the ones sitting, not moving when its their turn at 4 way stops/2 way stops and waving people through ahead of them. I know this is a TINY problem in the grand scheme of things, but, man oh man, does this get on my last nerve! Road rage is a real thing.
Besides - most insurance companies will give you a 10 or 15% discount on your premiums if you do something like take a defensive driving course every few years. I do that - a comedy course online that costs like 25$ and saves me a fair amount. If you haven't done that in the past, ask your insurance company/agent.
In Commiefornia? Inconceivable
Do it on a Friday night after all of the offices close to give CA legislators the weekend to draft red tape that makes it nearly impossible to do again by Monday morning when the permit offices open again.
Maybe I'm batshit crazy, but that's how it looks to me.
I'm confused -- California is one of those states that has been advocating for stricter gun control measures. What did I miss here and how did they get this to pass? This is great news but I'm stunned
Ohhh. I'm dumb. Should have read the text in the image first. Wow... this is awesome. So the supreme court ruling in NY applies to CA as well. Wohoo!!
Dang son this is a win!
I trust no one in Commiefornia to do the right thing for the right reasons. There has to be an ulterior motive here.
On the surface, this looks like an amazing win. It just feels off to me, because it's California.
Patriots in control.
L👀ks like not everyone if on board with the lefts' insurrection. Lmao. 🍿🍿🍿🔥🔥🔥
I wonder who I can check with? I live in NY and about 13 years ago I got arrested for a traffic violation- Ive had absolutely nothing on my record since, not even a ticket. I wonder if Id be disqualified from a handgun license?
Local PD?
Yeah, I had a few beers and got caught in a speed trap. I blew a .11 so I was arrested and picked up by a friend. Never saw a jail cell. I took care of everything, did all my legal stuff, got a fine and Ive never gotten arrested/ticketed in the past 13 years. I genuinely dont even know if thats still on my record but I dont really want to spend the 20$ to run a BG check on myself.
Check the new law once they clarify it. Most states tell you that you can't get a permit if you have a felony, or possibly a high level misdemeanor, and possibly domestic violence or restraining orders. Depends on the law.
In TX you have to wait 5 years after a conviction for a Class A or B misdemeanor before you can apply again. Felony convictions or domestic violence convictions (even misdemeanors) disqualify you forever. In fact family violence convictions take your gun rights away at the Federal level.
A DUI in TX will suspend your permit for 5 years if you have one, or keep you from getting one for 5 years. You get a 2nd DUI in 10 years and no more permit ever.
In other words, the fucking-around part will not come without the finding-out part attached,
This is as big as the SC decision itself!
🥳🥳🥳❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️😎😎😎
California earthquake just happened.
You mean the earthquake where California has always been red but has only been cheated by the commie Rinos and lefties. That earthquake?
The tide is definitely turning. Next stop, whole cloth market crash, housing, stocks, entire economies. And Biden and his band of clowns get blamed for EVERYTHING!
I travel to CA frequently, but can't CC there. It would be great if this changes.
Hopefully that will be the next big gun law change - universal carry reciprocity. This ruling will have nothing to do with that, other than maybe open some of those states up to negotiating reciprocity with other states. IIRC, CA doesn't have reciprocity with any other state. Because they now have "shall issue" that could change but it would take pressure from the people.
My hope would be required weapons training in public school.Aim for the moon!!!
Now do NY (the effective immediately part)
It's sad that I'm pleasantly surprised that a leftist AG would actually comply with a SCOTUS ruling that they don't disagree with.
Would be willing to be there was some ARM TWISTING and he realized which side he had to be on!!!!
Now, what about Chi Town, and NYC?????
Illegals and jogging thieves second guessing shit from here on out. Gun sales about to go off.
So, California being California, should we expect some major false flag mass shootings "because of" this new law making 2A easier? Just speculation of course...
I would expect CA and NY (at least) to try to enact new laws to restrict your rights. They would figure it will take a long time for another case to make it through all the corrupt levels of the courts, and SCOTUS might not even take the case - or deny it for standing as they seem to like to do. NY looks like they will try that if the governor gets her way. That will only change when the people have the will to change their representatives.
YES! And I love imagining their PANIC!
Time's up! ⌛