The area were from just went insane with prices. Many homes more than doubled 😔 On the flip side, where we live now is definitely better to raise a family. It’s pretty based where we are now
I grew up in FL and moved away in the 1980s. When I go back to visit relatives now, it is so crowded I almost can't take it, and the weather is definitely hotter there now, probably because of all the additional pavement, ACs, and cars. Some areas of the panhandle seem to be the only places that are still reasonably uncrowded now.
Where in the panhandle?.. ..would you tell me please ! I’m in San Diego and I’d like to buy something close to a beach that isn’t packed Miami style ..thank you !
All the immediate beach areas of FL panhandle are pretty well maxed out, but if you go inland, you not only have more "country" type places, you also avoid the worst of hurricanes (FL panhandle has about the highest hurricane landfall potential possible in the eastern U.S., possibly only exceeded by outer banks of NC). Go on zillow and check out what you can find in those outer areas. If you don't mind higher density population, higher prices, and higher hurricane potential, there are plenty of coastal properties/towns to choose from. (I lived in San Diego a few years ago and loved it; but the weather was too perfect (and my wife wouldn't move there), and of course, I would never have been able to afford a house there. I rented a room not far from the beach, and got in more surfing in the 18 months I lived there than in the previous 30 years of living back east :) )
Good on you for the surfing ,, renting rooms is the way to go , I lucked out and bought long ago ,, the beach is where I need to be doesn't need to be on sand but a bikff Ed ride away os nice ,, what beach was your favorite yo surf ? Did u live in OB of PB area or NC ?
I lived just up Balboa, up the rise, and then the first major left (I'm forgetting the road), so I was about 15-20 minutes from Tourmaline Beach. I worked on Point Loma and surfed at "Garbage" a lot, about 25 minutes from where I rented. I would surf almost every Sunday, late afternoon (the beaches would be almost empty by then), and about every Friday late morning (I worked only half days on Friday), and I would occassionally go after work on other weekdays. I would surf north of the main crowd area at Tourmaline (it was like a little point break with the waves wrapping around and breaking on the rock shelf; when it was small, you would see the rocks and such under your board as you rode :) ). I liked "Garbage" a lot, because it was just a nice, long ride, and almost never more than a few people out. A lot of times, I would be the only person catching the outside break; the short boarders didn't like that mush :), I liked riding all the way to where the short boarders were and then having the last fast part of the ride :) I got the longest rides of my life out there, with many rides more that 300 yards! (based on Google Earth images of days with waves)
Garbage is awesome, yes long rides and outside breaks .. Tourmaline is a long board haven and with parking a real ease ! I m a chick and surfed those areas before girls out were popular ! Balboa ave is grest area ,, geeze we used to call clairmont squaremont , now to find a house in Claremont, wow million dollars for a tiny little dump. Not many Patriots in these parts anymore , very sad !
Navarre Beach is between Ft Walton Beach and Pensacola. Used to live there. Strong military presence as Hurlburt Field is about a 15min drive and Eglin AFB is about a 30min drive. Mind you, this was back in the 90's. Wasn't dense with people and was a great neighborhood and literally a stones throw from the beach.
Niceville/Valparaiso is (was?) full of retirees, on the East side of Eglin, situated on an inlet to the ocean, is also a great place to be. Also very high Military/retired Mil presence.
Traveling along the coast eastward, you have Destin. Ok place to live, but it's got a lot of party places catering to the military so it get a bit rowdy.
Further along HWY98 (Gulf Coast hwy) you have Sandestin. Lot of money in this town (or was) with nice houses, streets, people.
Last one I know (knew?) fairly well is Panama City. This place is crazy during Spring Break. Great place to visit but unless you're into a flood of drunk and horny College people once a year, I waffle a bit on living there. As I said tho, it IS a pretty fun city to visit.
In between all these main towns and cities are smaller towns. They didn't offer much in the way of conveniences so you'd have to travel a bit if you wanted to get everything in one or two stops, but that also was their charm. Navarre used to be like that until it "blew up" in popularity.
I reiterate, this is opinions based on 1992-1998 and what I experienced while stationed at Hurlburt Field at Ft Walton Beach. There's online guides to these places you can look into for just about any question you might have on them; i.e. property taxes, housing costs, schools, crime rates, etc.
Good luck!
Edit: oh and, BTW...these are ALL on the beach ;-)
Thank you so much for all that information I was in Pensacola once just to rent jet skis for my daughter and her friend we were in Orange Beach Alabama at a wedding so I'm thinking all those places are close to Alabama so the beaches have to be beautiful I'm gonna start looking into it thank you so much for the tips that sounds exactly what I'm looking for
Oh yeh...fine granule white "sugar" sand far as the eye can see in both directions and pretty clear, slightly blue-green, water when storms haven't stirred things up. Why it's called the Emerald Coast!!
Thank you ! I'm in San Diego , the sand isn't beautiful and the water is cold , but overall San Diego is beautiful , unfortunately it's turning into LA and it is Cali after all !!!
I bought a home here long ago , back when it was normal and Republican !
My two kids want to keep house , I'm all they have so that's fine , I have another daughter, special needs who would go with me , she loves the water so warm water is a plus , we were at the beach today , it was freezing !
I know I have to get out of here , I talked to frens on here about Tennessee which would be great for me but the ocean is so thereputic for my daughter so I need to do what's best for her ! I can't wait to start looking and dreaming thank you !
I read somewhere that the entire world could fit comfortably in texas, and the US could fit in Houston alone. FL could take half the country easy, but hopefully soon that wont be necessary
Woo hoo!! Our kids went through state universities here in FL and these professors do not teach, with rare exception. And these are engineering professors! The difference in my engineering education and theirs, 30 years apart, was horrifying to me. They mostly taught themselves.
Yeah, my daughter grad from Embry riddle. Aerospace eng. Took 7 years because of military commitments, deployments etc. And an extra year because she was trying to teach herself most of the time. She got it done but what a haul
Currently doing an MS in systems engineering at Florida Tech, can definitely vouch for this. The head of the department 'teaches' by telling the same stories every class while talking for 3 hours straight with no breaks. He rarely actually taught the materials he expected us to know.
But get this - he was generally rude, insulted me and other students multiple times, yelled for no good reason, and did a whole lot of questionable things for an engineering professor.
I'm pretty happy to see the governor pass this, cause professors like that need the boot.
I've had professors like that. I'm sure some of it is professors who were "educated" and built out big resumes, but are actually useless.
But the professors I know like that are a bit different. They were properly brilliant and actually did build great things, but didn't keep their knowledge up to date, especially when it comes to arbitrary standards like what range private IP addresses use.
Time comes at you fast. The brilliant engineers of years past who played major roles in developing everything we have today often seem like ordinary boomers when trying to open Microsoft Outlook. They may still be brilliant engineers, but remembering all the arbitrary standards isn't all that important.
Your example sounds to me like this. A top-of-the-line programmer doesn't need to remember the range of private IP addresses, as basic as that is. It doesn't come up enough to stick and, when it does, is easily looked up.
EDIT:
A specific example I have that really exemplifies this. My C++ professor at the University of Cincinnati was Professor Purdy. I didn't look him up beforehand. I get to class on the first day, and this dude can barely stumble through a sentence. That can be explained by his older age, but watching him use a computer was like a boomer. He'd save the same file over and over and over again so the filenames would be like Document (1) (1) (1) (1) (1).docx every time. He couldn't figure anything out.
And then he couldn't easily answer questions about C++ programming. He was confused at the most basic things.
I'm beyond confused how this guy got to where he was, so I look him up. The dude actually has a whole Wikipedia page about him and is the namesake of some advanced mathematical, computer science concept. You'd have no idea from sitting in his class.
I am not certain that this will change much. Post secondary education is horribly damaged, and one tweak like this will not be enough to correct the problems.
Who will review the professors? If it is just another Marxist admin, then guess who stays and guess who is terminated?
The idea of "publish or perish" needs to be reviewed. Top researchers don't necessarily make for top instructors. Very few people have both skills.
The whole point of tenure was to protect professors with controversial views. Unfortunately, Marxists don't tolerate opposing views, so over time Marxists moved into a position of dominance in education as tenure was offered to Marxists and largely denied to those who opposed. If a miracle happens and a college brings in a strong opponent to Marxism, that person's needs to be protected by something like tenure.
Funny how my friends who are retired teachers were telling me how teachers had tenure after only 3 yrs, and one of them had to go teach reading to a class of a teacher who didn’t teach anything but couldn’t be let go because she had tenure.
Florida is the place to be these days, at this rate they are going to need to build a big beautiful wall on the north boarder of Florida to stop everyone from moving there kek.
This should not apply to just higher education. I was a teacher for 47 years. Tenure makes a teacher lazy even though they have to take professional development courses to improve their education it doesn't always carry over into the classroom and it is the worst thing that ever happened to the school system
It looks like tenure is up to the university today. I read an article that not all Florida universities offer it.
Why are we ok with the government getting involved in this? Shouldn’t the decision be made at the lower level? Is this a current Florida law that he’s changing to give more rights to the institution so they have the ability to do this if they want?
Don’t get me wrong- I like this. But we’re should be consistent on how e support the government getting involved or were hurting ourselves.
This is an underrated comment. I like DeSantis but I'm not sure this is the best thing. I absolutely hate tenure, but PhDinNY is correct. This will cost a lot of the remaining conservative professors their jobs, and make academia even more communistic/marxist.
I cant love this enough. Much respect for great teachers but too many are protected by a bs law. In my profession when you start underperforming or quit caring “YOU’RE FIRED”.
Wow this is huge. The unions and teachers always seemed so untouchable. You could literally jizz in a batch of cookie dough, then feed the cookies to your little students here in LA, and not get fired but put on paid leave. True story.
So,...it went from tenure to fiveure?
Best Dad joke today.
Good!
Damn it. I was born and raised in FL and moved out 4 years ago. We miss it terribly.
Time to move back?
The area were from just went insane with prices. Many homes more than doubled 😔 On the flip side, where we live now is definitely better to raise a family. It’s pretty based where we are now
Same with us
I grew up in FL and moved away in the 1980s. When I go back to visit relatives now, it is so crowded I almost can't take it, and the weather is definitely hotter there now, probably because of all the additional pavement, ACs, and cars. Some areas of the panhandle seem to be the only places that are still reasonably uncrowded now.
Where in the panhandle?.. ..would you tell me please ! I’m in San Diego and I’d like to buy something close to a beach that isn’t packed Miami style ..thank you !
All the immediate beach areas of FL panhandle are pretty well maxed out, but if you go inland, you not only have more "country" type places, you also avoid the worst of hurricanes (FL panhandle has about the highest hurricane landfall potential possible in the eastern U.S., possibly only exceeded by outer banks of NC). Go on zillow and check out what you can find in those outer areas. If you don't mind higher density population, higher prices, and higher hurricane potential, there are plenty of coastal properties/towns to choose from. (I lived in San Diego a few years ago and loved it; but the weather was too perfect (and my wife wouldn't move there), and of course, I would never have been able to afford a house there. I rented a room not far from the beach, and got in more surfing in the 18 months I lived there than in the previous 30 years of living back east :) )
Good on you for the surfing ,, renting rooms is the way to go , I lucked out and bought long ago ,, the beach is where I need to be doesn't need to be on sand but a bikff Ed ride away os nice ,, what beach was your favorite yo surf ? Did u live in OB of PB area or NC ?
I lived just up Balboa, up the rise, and then the first major left (I'm forgetting the road), so I was about 15-20 minutes from Tourmaline Beach. I worked on Point Loma and surfed at "Garbage" a lot, about 25 minutes from where I rented. I would surf almost every Sunday, late afternoon (the beaches would be almost empty by then), and about every Friday late morning (I worked only half days on Friday), and I would occassionally go after work on other weekdays. I would surf north of the main crowd area at Tourmaline (it was like a little point break with the waves wrapping around and breaking on the rock shelf; when it was small, you would see the rocks and such under your board as you rode :) ). I liked "Garbage" a lot, because it was just a nice, long ride, and almost never more than a few people out. A lot of times, I would be the only person catching the outside break; the short boarders didn't like that mush :), I liked riding all the way to where the short boarders were and then having the last fast part of the ride :) I got the longest rides of my life out there, with many rides more that 300 yards! (based on Google Earth images of days with waves)
Garbage is awesome, yes long rides and outside breaks .. Tourmaline is a long board haven and with parking a real ease ! I m a chick and surfed those areas before girls out were popular ! Balboa ave is grest area ,, geeze we used to call clairmont squaremont , now to find a house in Claremont, wow million dollars for a tiny little dump. Not many Patriots in these parts anymore , very sad !
Navarre Beach is between Ft Walton Beach and Pensacola. Used to live there. Strong military presence as Hurlburt Field is about a 15min drive and Eglin AFB is about a 30min drive. Mind you, this was back in the 90's. Wasn't dense with people and was a great neighborhood and literally a stones throw from the beach.
Niceville/Valparaiso is (was?) full of retirees, on the East side of Eglin, situated on an inlet to the ocean, is also a great place to be. Also very high Military/retired Mil presence.
Traveling along the coast eastward, you have Destin. Ok place to live, but it's got a lot of party places catering to the military so it get a bit rowdy.
Further along HWY98 (Gulf Coast hwy) you have Sandestin. Lot of money in this town (or was) with nice houses, streets, people.
Last one I know (knew?) fairly well is Panama City. This place is crazy during Spring Break. Great place to visit but unless you're into a flood of drunk and horny College people once a year, I waffle a bit on living there. As I said tho, it IS a pretty fun city to visit.
In between all these main towns and cities are smaller towns. They didn't offer much in the way of conveniences so you'd have to travel a bit if you wanted to get everything in one or two stops, but that also was their charm. Navarre used to be like that until it "blew up" in popularity.
I reiterate, this is opinions based on 1992-1998 and what I experienced while stationed at Hurlburt Field at Ft Walton Beach. There's online guides to these places you can look into for just about any question you might have on them; i.e. property taxes, housing costs, schools, crime rates, etc.
Good luck!
Edit: oh and, BTW...these are ALL on the beach ;-)
Thank you so much for all that information I was in Pensacola once just to rent jet skis for my daughter and her friend we were in Orange Beach Alabama at a wedding so I'm thinking all those places are close to Alabama so the beaches have to be beautiful I'm gonna start looking into it thank you so much for the tips that sounds exactly what I'm looking for
Oh yeh...fine granule white "sugar" sand far as the eye can see in both directions and pretty clear, slightly blue-green, water when storms haven't stirred things up. Why it's called the Emerald Coast!!
Hope you find what you're looking for!
Thank you ! I'm in San Diego , the sand isn't beautiful and the water is cold , but overall San Diego is beautiful , unfortunately it's turning into LA and it is Cali after all !!! I bought a home here long ago , back when it was normal and Republican ! My two kids want to keep house , I'm all they have so that's fine , I have another daughter, special needs who would go with me , she loves the water so warm water is a plus , we were at the beach today , it was freezing ! I know I have to get out of here , I talked to frens on here about Tennessee which would be great for me but the ocean is so thereputic for my daughter so I need to do what's best for her ! I can't wait to start looking and dreaming thank you !
Come on down
I read somewhere that the entire world could fit comfortably in texas, and the US could fit in Houston alone. FL could take half the country easy, but hopefully soon that wont be necessary
Woo hoo!! Our kids went through state universities here in FL and these professors do not teach, with rare exception. And these are engineering professors! The difference in my engineering education and theirs, 30 years apart, was horrifying to me. They mostly taught themselves.
Yeah, my daughter grad from Embry riddle. Aerospace eng. Took 7 years because of military commitments, deployments etc. And an extra year because she was trying to teach herself most of the time. She got it done but what a haul
Currently doing an MS in systems engineering at Florida Tech, can definitely vouch for this. The head of the department 'teaches' by telling the same stories every class while talking for 3 hours straight with no breaks. He rarely actually taught the materials he expected us to know.
But get this - he was generally rude, insulted me and other students multiple times, yelled for no good reason, and did a whole lot of questionable things for an engineering professor.
I'm pretty happy to see the governor pass this, cause professors like that need the boot.
As an IT student, I can vouch for that.
To be fair the IT field moves faster than the speed of the curriculum. And the old saying those who cannot do, teach.
I've had professors like that. I'm sure some of it is professors who were "educated" and built out big resumes, but are actually useless.
But the professors I know like that are a bit different. They were properly brilliant and actually did build great things, but didn't keep their knowledge up to date, especially when it comes to arbitrary standards like what range private IP addresses use.
Time comes at you fast. The brilliant engineers of years past who played major roles in developing everything we have today often seem like ordinary boomers when trying to open Microsoft Outlook. They may still be brilliant engineers, but remembering all the arbitrary standards isn't all that important.
Your example sounds to me like this. A top-of-the-line programmer doesn't need to remember the range of private IP addresses, as basic as that is. It doesn't come up enough to stick and, when it does, is easily looked up.
EDIT:
A specific example I have that really exemplifies this. My C++ professor at the University of Cincinnati was Professor Purdy. I didn't look him up beforehand. I get to class on the first day, and this dude can barely stumble through a sentence. That can be explained by his older age, but watching him use a computer was like a boomer. He'd save the same file over and over and over again so the filenames would be like Document (1) (1) (1) (1) (1).docx every time. He couldn't figure anything out.
And then he couldn't easily answer questions about C++ programming. He was confused at the most basic things.
I'm beyond confused how this guy got to where he was, so I look him up. The dude actually has a whole Wikipedia page about him and is the namesake of some advanced mathematical, computer science concept. You'd have no idea from sitting in his class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_B._Purdy
Probably why he isn't working for a real company.
Agreed, but it's a start.
I am not certain that this will change much. Post secondary education is horribly damaged, and one tweak like this will not be enough to correct the problems.
Who will review the professors? If it is just another Marxist admin, then guess who stays and guess who is terminated?
The idea of "publish or perish" needs to be reviewed. Top researchers don't necessarily make for top instructors. Very few people have both skills.
The whole point of tenure was to protect professors with controversial views. Unfortunately, Marxists don't tolerate opposing views, so over time Marxists moved into a position of dominance in education as tenure was offered to Marxists and largely denied to those who opposed. If a miracle happens and a college brings in a strong opponent to Marxism, that person's needs to be protected by something like tenure.
Of course you are not sure, every good idea has people who are negative about it.
Good job DeSantis! Every state needs to do this.
Funny how my friends who are retired teachers were telling me how teachers had tenure after only 3 yrs, and one of them had to go teach reading to a class of a teacher who didn’t teach anything but couldn’t be let go because she had tenure.
Unions on steroids.
Needs to be done in the grade schools, too.
Formative years, baby, formative years.
So many great things he is doing for Florida! I really hope his successor is just as competent
Florida is the place to be these days, at this rate they are going to need to build a big beautiful wall on the north boarder of Florida to stop everyone from moving there kek.
It's a start. Tenure is such a bunch of bologna. Now do the equivalent for government jobs.
Breaking the civil service unions, and teachers unions would go a long way in cleaning this mess up.
Absolutely agree.
wow! now do politicians
This should not apply to just higher education. I was a teacher for 47 years. Tenure makes a teacher lazy even though they have to take professional development courses to improve their education it doesn't always carry over into the classroom and it is the worst thing that ever happened to the school system
I've seen it first hand.
Teachers for the most part only take continuing ed because by not doing so their pay raises are limited.
Seems like a good motivator, but backfires when there are no controls on applicability of curriculum.
Florida is the only place in the USA I have ever visited.
About 26 years ago as a teen.
I remember small bikinis and thunderstorms
It was awesome.
You should make it a point to revisit,
The bikinis are smaller,
and,
The thunderstorms bigger...
It looks like tenure is up to the university today. I read an article that not all Florida universities offer it.
Why are we ok with the government getting involved in this? Shouldn’t the decision be made at the lower level? Is this a current Florida law that he’s changing to give more rights to the institution so they have the ability to do this if they want?
Don’t get me wrong- I like this. But we’re should be consistent on how e support the government getting involved or were hurting ourselves.
Sauce: https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2022-05-15/changes-in-tenure-coming-with-new-florida-law
The University system is not funded by the tax-payers, they are private businesses and can make any rules they want.
This is what I was thinking may be the case. Since it is..... Government should stay out!!
Withholding Grants and Tax Exemption status along with loan guarantees would shape some "private rules"...
Paving the way for other states to follow hopefully !
Unfortunately, if the "performance review" is conducted by a group of leftist professors, it will mean the few conservative profs will be weeded out.
This is an underrated comment. I like DeSantis but I'm not sure this is the best thing. I absolutely hate tenure, but PhDinNY is correct. This will cost a lot of the remaining conservative professors their jobs, and make academia even more communistic/marxist.
Or corrupt and immoral indoctrinating ones. Awesome!!
Please, Tennessee be next!
I cant love this enough. Much respect for great teachers but too many are protected by a bs law. In my profession when you start underperforming or quit caring “YOU’RE FIRED”.
The tenure system should be completely abolished.
Because Florida is a peninsula, if too many people move there might it not sink into the ocean? /s/
Omg he crossed that line!
Fucking epic.
Bummer I was fonn go get me a cheeky government teacher job amd just ride it out at 89k a year sitting on my ass like all my professors did.
Wow this is huge. The unions and teachers always seemed so untouchable. You could literally jizz in a batch of cookie dough, then feed the cookies to your little students here in LA, and not get fired but put on paid leave. True story.