Property tax is theft, PERIOD. I know that's not the ruling here, but I want to remind everyone that cases like this wouldn't exist if we actually owned our homes instead of paying a perpetual lease to someone (US Gov't, Queen of England?).
I agree. Every time I do improvements to my home and farm, taxman, pokes his nose in my business. The reason for permits, it’s not for safety, but to alert the taxman that you were making improvements on your farm or house.
They are very greedy. He over, assessed my home and Barn, which add an additional $700 per month on my mortgage. He even taxed the tiny patio that I poured concrete so I wouldn’t have to step in mud.
He told me each loafing shed would accrue a $3500 tax assessment, and if I put a riding ring in the price of it determines if it’s an all weather ring with fancy footing.
We had a nice conversation, in which I had to justify why my barn shouldn’t be taxed at top-tier and I explained about the mortgage increase due to property tax. He did drop me some hints on what they charge when improvements are done to the property.
I want to finish the basement, but North Carolina law says I have to pull permits for electric and plumbing, even though it’s to code.
Just put it in a trust last week. 😉
Now I can go back and get my taxes lowered? I know if I make under 50k a year, I won’t have to pay proterty tax. If I happen to win the lotto and only work part time and make under 50 K a year, do I still have to pay property taxes?
I believe the theory behind this is you no longer own the property. The trust does. Trusts can be private and the city/town has no right to access it in order to find out who the Trustee is. You could also post your property and not allow the assessor on it, making it more difficult to see what improvements you've made. Never let them in the house. I've never once gotten a permit for anything, including room additions, a two story deck, patio covers, major electrical and plumbing work. Nope. Asking permission to improve my property is not a thing.
Are you in NC or another state that requires permits? This is my forever farm.
I can post no trespassing but the law is muddy in NC. I can refuse entry, but tax man can overestimate.
I told them last time they couldn’t go to the barn as it was still under construction and they drove pass me and went to the barn. Like wtf. I had a .450 bushmaster strapped to my back as I was hunting that morning too. Didn’t deter them cause I’m a woman. 😒
I don't live in NC, but both of the states I've lived in require permits for just about everything. The smaller your town, the more likely they are to notice anything going on outside. You make a good point about overestimating. Your assessor sounds like a jerk, coming onto your property without permission. That's really out of line.
I don’t understand why I have to pay high taxes for things I don’t even see the benefit. Now I know why my neighbors homes look like crap. Anytime we do improvements, tax man comes up and raises the taxes.
Just look at the picture of the defendant. A 94 year old lady who probably does not have a job, money in the bank, nor any means of support. She knew she owed the money, yet had no way to pay it. How come the State could not figure this out? Seems to me that a good State lawyer can just go up to her and ask if she says "no", then the lawyer could look around, scratch his head, and figure it out real quick like. No, the State wants their pound of flesh, but that doesn't make it right. How can a 94 year old woman get a job, get to the job, and probably loose her social security because she'd make more than the minimum allowable according to SS? It is an intolerable system that has no way of showing compassion. How many years does this lady have to live? Probably not many, so why would the State care? They only want their pound of flesh. I'm SHOCKED the SC voted 9-0 in her favor. I figured there would be a split. Good for the compassion on the SC.
in my opinion this is one of the major issues in our society. Not all. lots. lost their abilities to take care of family.
the children will salivate for pennies when they could have stability. Do not know if this lady had family. just saying this is an issue. even if it was a 500 square foot home. Keep her in it. The kids could have kept her happy in the last months of her life.
instead the government takes it and abuses its powers over the people. sick.
She looks pretty good for a 94 year old woman. I do agree with you however, that she shouldn't have to go out and try to find a job. This country is going backward so quickly I don't understand it.
This wasn’t a matter of throwing an elderly woman out of her house when she couldn’t pay. Tyler had moved into assisted living and the condo was sitting empty; ideally she would have sold it herself instead of letting it sit accumulating penalties for years.
Edit for those who don’t want to read the entire opinion: “ In 1999, she bought a one-bedroom condominium in Minneapolis and lived alone there for more than a decade. But as Tyler aged, she and her family decided that she would be safer in a senior com- munity, so they moved her to one in 2010. Nobody paid the property taxes on the condo in Tyler’s absence and, by 2015, it had accumulated about $2300 in unpaid taxes and $13,000 in interest and penalties.”
The fact multiple lower courts ruled against this lady then the SC overturned those rulings shows just how broken this shit is. Courts should have a level of consistency that is not open for debate or the ability to be so subjective.
Many people would have taken their losses in the lower courts and been completely screwed with the wrong ruling.
Courts need to find a way to be less dependent on judges and attorneys or more dependent on simply a fair and simple rule of law.
And if lower courts get it wrong so frequently to be overturned by higher courts, why is there no consequences for the lower courts making a wrong ruling?
The lower courts ruled in accordance with long-standing state laws, the best available precedents (which weren't that good because - amazingly, but that's why it ended up at the Supreme Court - this exact question had never come up before), and the simple fact that under Minnesota law Tyler did not own the property at the time of sale so had no claim to the proceeds of the sale. The federal courts' reluctance to overrule state governments in the absence of any relevant precedent or guidance from SCOTUS for doing so was likely also a factor. This is judicial restraint, not a problem.
As a historical note, Brown vs Topeka BoE, Heller and other second amendment rulings and and most other constitutional interpretation cases have followed the same trajectory: state law challenged in federal court, federal district and circuit courts uphold the state law on the basis of reasonable interpretation of existing precedent, appeal to Supreme Court, Supreme Court issues new rules or clarifies existing rules
This is how it is supposed to work - generally we do not want the lower courts to be inventing new constitutional theories out of thin air.
Fair points indeed but state laws shouldn't even be allowed to exist in the first place if they defy the Constitution. It's frustrating that it takes so much money, time, and stress to make sure that states are acting within the bounds of the Constitution. The Constituiton doesn't need to be interpreted so many times if it is just taken at face value and a little common sense is used. But it takes a team of expensive lawyers most people can't afford just to ensure states are acting within the confines of the Constitution.
Law starts with rights. If law is infringing upon rights then that law is null and void.
Another thing to consider:
politicians
lawyers
judges
All three come from the same source and have studies the same hairsplitting shit the Pharisees and Scribes were known for. And we have read who these people have nailed to the cross. It is these people who found ways around property laws they were bound to keep, like the 10 commandments.
law 1-3 are property laws. Why? God bought them from slavery in Egypt, this includes keep holy the sabbath.
Bering false witness = lying = stealing someone else's property: good name or goods.
Fucking around with someone else's wife = stealing.
Honoring your parents is simply put a property law obligation due to the allodial title parents have on their children, as it is their energy that is transformed into a child.the fruit of the belly. It might be called sweat equity. Sweat in terms of the potential, conception, bearing and having it born. Not to mention the raising and rearing.
It is quite simple. Lack of honor to property leads to immorality. Hairsplitting on these matters leads to immorality.
Logic then dictates that by using the same type of people, the result is the same.
However, such a statement does not address the issue of property held by Caesar. And just because someone put his image on a piece of metal does not make the metal itself belonging to that person represented by the image. It merely represents a potential form trust in the quality of the coin representing true value as indicated.
Eminent domain is bullshit, as it presumes the government has a higher claim on property than the allodial title holder, presuming that someone is the holder of an allodial title. Perhaps, buying stuff with a loan within a jurisdiction makes a person the holder of the equity title under rules and regulations of a corporation.
This is all sorts of the wrong kind of "win." In fact, this is a great loss. Maybe not for the woman, and I'm happy for her that she isn't totally screwed, but this is a huge loss for the world.
They upheld the property tax, and the eminent domain laws written into the fifth amendment that allow them. Both are jurisdictional frauds, claiming both that the US Govt is a higher entity than the individual, and has the Right to claim our property, and that the property tax is justified, which says that the Bank has the right to claim our property.
People don't understand what "property taxes" are, and this doesn't help people understand it. On the contrary, it continues to hide it, thus perpetuating the fraud. Property taxes pay the interest on loans from the Banks. The Bank issues a bond, created from nothing, credits the bank account of the municipal govt., sells that bond, usually to the bank itself (that same bank, another bank, or the Fed, not that it matters, since there is only one Bank), or to a corporation (like BlackRock, etc.). The municipal govt then steals the money from the people to pay the annual interest, on penalty of complete property loss, jail, or usually both. It is exactly the same fraud as the Fed pulls with it's M1 "money" to Congress scam. The only difference is the scale of the fraud.
Its beyond crazy. Taxes need to be really trimmed or done away with completely. It is theft of your money. Also at some age you should no longer be responsible for ANY taxes! You already paid and should get a break and not have to loose your property because you lived too long!
Thank you SC justices for hearing this case and coming to a unanimous decision in favor of the “little guy”. Thank God this woman lived to see justice and I hope the IRS returns the money quickly along with interest for the time they kept the money.
Property tax is theft, PERIOD. I know that's not the ruling here, but I want to remind everyone that cases like this wouldn't exist if we actually owned our homes instead of paying a perpetual lease to someone (US Gov't, Queen of England?).
I agree. Every time I do improvements to my home and farm, taxman, pokes his nose in my business. The reason for permits, it’s not for safety, but to alert the taxman that you were making improvements on your farm or house.
They are very greedy. He over, assessed my home and Barn, which add an additional $700 per month on my mortgage. He even taxed the tiny patio that I poured concrete so I wouldn’t have to step in mud.
He told me each loafing shed would accrue a $3500 tax assessment, and if I put a riding ring in the price of it determines if it’s an all weather ring with fancy footing.
We had a nice conversation, in which I had to justify why my barn shouldn’t be taxed at top-tier and I explained about the mortgage increase due to property tax. He did drop me some hints on what they charge when improvements are done to the property.
I want to finish the basement, but North Carolina law says I have to pull permits for electric and plumbing, even though it’s to code.
My property value has doubled according to taxman. In 3 years!
I think he’s wrong! High interest rates means property rates should be dropping!
Fuckers!
You need to look into putting your house and property into a trust under the original land patent. Then you can tell the assessor to kiss your ass.
That's interesting. Do you have a link to this process?
https://chainoftitleresearcher.com/land-patents
Thank you. We need to sticky useful info like this.
https://youtu.be/vYEUsrgnLGc
Just put it in a trust last week. 😉 Now I can go back and get my taxes lowered? I know if I make under 50k a year, I won’t have to pay proterty tax. If I happen to win the lotto and only work part time and make under 50 K a year, do I still have to pay property taxes?
I believe the theory behind this is you no longer own the property. The trust does. Trusts can be private and the city/town has no right to access it in order to find out who the Trustee is. You could also post your property and not allow the assessor on it, making it more difficult to see what improvements you've made. Never let them in the house. I've never once gotten a permit for anything, including room additions, a two story deck, patio covers, major electrical and plumbing work. Nope. Asking permission to improve my property is not a thing.
Are you in NC or another state that requires permits? This is my forever farm. I can post no trespassing but the law is muddy in NC. I can refuse entry, but tax man can overestimate.
I told them last time they couldn’t go to the barn as it was still under construction and they drove pass me and went to the barn. Like wtf. I had a .450 bushmaster strapped to my back as I was hunting that morning too. Didn’t deter them cause I’m a woman. 😒
I don't live in NC, but both of the states I've lived in require permits for just about everything. The smaller your town, the more likely they are to notice anything going on outside. You make a good point about overestimating. Your assessor sounds like a jerk, coming onto your property without permission. That's really out of line.
It's out of control...and that's a "more" conservative state!
Drives me insane the level of taxation and slavery we are under without people really noticing. Only this place sees it.
When do we stop paying taxes? Because I think now would be the best time.
I don’t understand why I have to pay high taxes for things I don’t even see the benefit. Now I know why my neighbors homes look like crap. Anytime we do improvements, tax man comes up and raises the taxes.
Land Patents and mortgage discharge. Knowing is half the battle. https://youtu.be/vYEUsrgnLGc
Babylonian money magic. Create money out of thin air. Enslave population with usury. Tax everything to keep them poor.
This whole system is a fucking scam. We own nothing. They are laughing at us with that WEF commercial because we already own nothing.
Correct.
it creates a slave class
Tax, Statues, Acts are all optional. Lawful vs Legal.
Just look at the picture of the defendant. A 94 year old lady who probably does not have a job, money in the bank, nor any means of support. She knew she owed the money, yet had no way to pay it. How come the State could not figure this out? Seems to me that a good State lawyer can just go up to her and ask if she says "no", then the lawyer could look around, scratch his head, and figure it out real quick like. No, the State wants their pound of flesh, but that doesn't make it right. How can a 94 year old woman get a job, get to the job, and probably loose her social security because she'd make more than the minimum allowable according to SS? It is an intolerable system that has no way of showing compassion. How many years does this lady have to live? Probably not many, so why would the State care? They only want their pound of flesh. I'm SHOCKED the SC voted 9-0 in her favor. I figured there would be a split. Good for the compassion on the SC.
"the State wants their pound of flesh, but that doesn't make it right."
This belongs on a billboard somewhere. Or maybe a thousand bumper stickers.
in my opinion this is one of the major issues in our society. Not all. lots. lost their abilities to take care of family.
the children will salivate for pennies when they could have stability. Do not know if this lady had family. just saying this is an issue. even if it was a 500 square foot home. Keep her in it. The kids could have kept her happy in the last months of her life.
instead the government takes it and abuses its powers over the people. sick.
She looks pretty good for a 94 year old woman. I do agree with you however, that she shouldn't have to go out and try to find a job. This country is going backward so quickly I don't understand it.
This wasn’t a matter of throwing an elderly woman out of her house when she couldn’t pay. Tyler had moved into assisted living and the condo was sitting empty; ideally she would have sold it herself instead of letting it sit accumulating penalties for years.
Edit for those who don’t want to read the entire opinion: “ In 1999, she bought a one-bedroom condominium in Minneapolis and lived alone there for more than a decade. But as Tyler aged, she and her family decided that she would be safer in a senior com- munity, so they moved her to one in 2010. Nobody paid the property taxes on the condo in Tyler’s absence and, by 2015, it had accumulated about $2300 in unpaid taxes and $13,000 in interest and penalties.”
It is not surprising that the ruling was unanimous - you can read the opinion here, and there is zero ideology in the legal logic: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22-166_q861.pdf
nicely said
The fact multiple lower courts ruled against this lady then the SC overturned those rulings shows just how broken this shit is. Courts should have a level of consistency that is not open for debate or the ability to be so subjective.
Many people would have taken their losses in the lower courts and been completely screwed with the wrong ruling.
Courts need to find a way to be less dependent on judges and attorneys or more dependent on simply a fair and simple rule of law.
And if lower courts get it wrong so frequently to be overturned by higher courts, why is there no consequences for the lower courts making a wrong ruling?
The lower courts ruled in accordance with long-standing state laws, the best available precedents (which weren't that good because - amazingly, but that's why it ended up at the Supreme Court - this exact question had never come up before), and the simple fact that under Minnesota law Tyler did not own the property at the time of sale so had no claim to the proceeds of the sale. The federal courts' reluctance to overrule state governments in the absence of any relevant precedent or guidance from SCOTUS for doing so was likely also a factor. This is judicial restraint, not a problem.
As a historical note, Brown vs Topeka BoE, Heller and other second amendment rulings and and most other constitutional interpretation cases have followed the same trajectory: state law challenged in federal court, federal district and circuit courts uphold the state law on the basis of reasonable interpretation of existing precedent, appeal to Supreme Court, Supreme Court issues new rules or clarifies existing rules This is how it is supposed to work - generally we do not want the lower courts to be inventing new constitutional theories out of thin air.
Fair points indeed but state laws shouldn't even be allowed to exist in the first place if they defy the Constitution. It's frustrating that it takes so much money, time, and stress to make sure that states are acting within the bounds of the Constitution. The Constituiton doesn't need to be interpreted so many times if it is just taken at face value and a little common sense is used. But it takes a team of expensive lawyers most people can't afford just to ensure states are acting within the confines of the Constitution.
Law starts with rights. If law is infringing upon rights then that law is null and void.
Another thing to consider:
All three come from the same source and have studies the same hairsplitting shit the Pharisees and Scribes were known for. And we have read who these people have nailed to the cross. It is these people who found ways around property laws they were bound to keep, like the 10 commandments.
law 1-3 are property laws. Why? God bought them from slavery in Egypt, this includes keep holy the sabbath. Bering false witness = lying = stealing someone else's property: good name or goods. Fucking around with someone else's wife = stealing. Honoring your parents is simply put a property law obligation due to the allodial title parents have on their children, as it is their energy that is transformed into a child.the fruit of the belly. It might be called sweat equity. Sweat in terms of the potential, conception, bearing and having it born. Not to mention the raising and rearing.
It is quite simple. Lack of honor to property leads to immorality. Hairsplitting on these matters leads to immorality.
Logic then dictates that by using the same type of people, the result is the same.
The solution is quite obvious.
If you have something that belongs to Caesar, give it back.
If Caesar wants something that belongs to you . . . that's another story.
Get your allodial title with Land Patent. Here is step-by-step: https://greatawakening.win/p/16bPQPHFQW/what-you-need-to-know-about-land/c/
Who's on the money?
However, such a statement does not address the issue of property held by Caesar. And just because someone put his image on a piece of metal does not make the metal itself belonging to that person represented by the image. It merely represents a potential form trust in the quality of the coin representing true value as indicated.
Eminent domain is bullshit, as it presumes the government has a higher claim on property than the allodial title holder, presuming that someone is the holder of an allodial title. Perhaps, buying stuff with a loan within a jurisdiction makes a person the holder of the equity title under rules and regulations of a corporation.
So, when and where does one conduct business?
This is all sorts of the wrong kind of "win." In fact, this is a great loss. Maybe not for the woman, and I'm happy for her that she isn't totally screwed, but this is a huge loss for the world.
They upheld the property tax, and the eminent domain laws written into the fifth amendment that allow them. Both are jurisdictional frauds, claiming both that the US Govt is a higher entity than the individual, and has the Right to claim our property, and that the property tax is justified, which says that the Bank has the right to claim our property.
People don't understand what "property taxes" are, and this doesn't help people understand it. On the contrary, it continues to hide it, thus perpetuating the fraud. Property taxes pay the interest on loans from the Banks. The Bank issues a bond, created from nothing, credits the bank account of the municipal govt., sells that bond, usually to the bank itself (that same bank, another bank, or the Fed, not that it matters, since there is only one Bank), or to a corporation (like BlackRock, etc.). The municipal govt then steals the money from the people to pay the annual interest, on penalty of complete property loss, jail, or usually both. It is exactly the same fraud as the Fed pulls with it's M1 "money" to Congress scam. The only difference is the scale of the fraud.
This "win" upheld all the scales of the fraud.
Its beyond crazy. Taxes need to be really trimmed or done away with completely. It is theft of your money. Also at some age you should no longer be responsible for ANY taxes! You already paid and should get a break and not have to loose your property because you lived too long!
Thank you SC justices for hearing this case and coming to a unanimous decision in favor of the “little guy”. Thank God this woman lived to see justice and I hope the IRS returns the money quickly along with interest for the time they kept the money.
The IRS doesn’t have the money, the taxes were due to and the house taken by Hennepin County, Minnesota.
Okay, thanks. I thought it was federal taxes she owed.
"The taxpayer must render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but no more," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the court's opinion.
Of course Roberts.
This has nothing to do with rights, but with violence based on the idea that legalities can extinguish and infringe upon rights.
This sort of thinking is at the base of UNIDROIT.
Take note of who started this process and what is used to metastasize it.
Ron Paul famously said: Do not steal, the government hates competition.