I believe so. I also live in AZ. Optimism is high today. When the '20 steal of AZ happened, then again in '22, I said to myself "they picked the wrong state to pull this stunt. FAFO"
I know Maricopa County is corrupt and compromised, but this is the state that had the 90-mile long Trump caravan. No way this stunt doesn't get revealed here. Way too conservative. Like 99%. I still think the same of Georgia too. Pulling these stunts in deep red states is gonna come back to bite them bigly. Just a matter of time.
It's why they tell you, constantly, to deny the evidence of your own eyes and ears. The support is there. They know it. That's why they do these things, because they hope it's enough to gaslight everyone into thinking otherwise.
The 1878 case is United States vs Throckmorton, and the decision is here.
The “fraud vitiates…” part that people are quoting doesn’t mean what it sounds like. In fact the court ruled in this case that an allegation of fraud is not sufficient to overturn a previously settled legal process so, to the extent that it is relevant at all, Throckmorton supports allowing the election results to stand.
In the subsequent 150 years there’s been much legal wrangling about how and when Throckmorton should be applied (if you don’t want to read about 980 million pages tedious pages of legal writing, the Wikipedia article is a good summary) but none of that makes Throckmorton any more helpful to challenging the 2020 results.
Perhaps they won't be laughing any longer when Trump's back in power.... none of us know. All we have is assumptions and hope. And it's good to be positive, which is why I've been keeping my eye on Kari's efforts. But, I have my moments of stress and doom. My commentary doesn't have any impact on what's happening behind the scenes.
Name a time in your life where you felt some despair or hopelessness. If you claim you've never, you'd be a liar. During times in one's life, it's natural. This fight is a protracted and messy process, even if it's structured in a way by our allies which is designed to close the walls in in on the enemy, It's also war. War is messy and can be unpredictable. Even when victory is assumed, those within who are subject to the enemy's countermoves are bound to have their "off-days" where the stress of the fight can get to them. It doesn't mean they lose all hope or give up. To say that one has never felt these thoughts at some point in their life is disingenuous.
I'll second that. Always good opinions and analysis. Laughed at my 'BobbyJoe'd' posts from several months ago, so also has a sense of humor, which we all need to have to stay sane in these circus world times.
Think there's a non-cabal, non-deepstate court with upstanding honest trustworthy judges out there somewhere?
A court where deepstate cabal operatives get sent for trial, found guilty, and sent to the non-cabal, non-deepstate prison?
The prison with the honest red-blooded true blue American non-pedophile, non-bribed warden and guards, plus functioning CCTV equipment and security cameras??
The signature matching being unlawful would necessitate either a class action lawsuit either by voters or a normal lawsuit by electoral candidates against whoever has statutory authority over the elections in the state/county, I.E. The People of Maricopa County vs. The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, since in Arizona, each county has a Board of Supervisors who hold statutory authority and appoint an Elections Director.
The legal standing for the lawsuit, as I understand it, would stem from the fact that the Board of Supervisors neglected to perform the duties of their office, and in so doing, defrauded both the citizenry of that county and the electoral candidates.
Very good question. IDK and not a legal expert, but I'm assuming nothing would happen to them bc at the time of the certification, the unlawfulness wasn't known. (Suspected and presumed, yes, but not "official"). Guess we'll find out!
I do recall the '22 election was certified by several counties "under duress." They knew something was up and wanted facts to come out but were legally bullied into certifying, thus made open statements "under duress" during certification.
People are rightly impatient… But we all have to realize we take years to sort out a simple case of small business embezzlement. Our slow justice system will make the result all undeniable, and we will not face generations of people having to wonder what was true.
I read the article AND the ruling. The article misstates the ruling, which just denied the Secretary of State’s request to dismiss the case out of the hand.
The ruling is the first paragraph, the part above the section heading "Facts and Procedural History". It says that the motion to dismiss is denied because there is a viable and ripe claim for relief. Everything below that (except for the order on page 5 where the judge says we'll consider next steps in the case on Sep 19) is stuff that has yet to be settled when the case goes to trial.
This will be one more step for Kari Lake to prove her case.
Yes. Add'l sauce is here https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/breaking-huge-voter-identity-theft-arizona-judge-defines/
Lake's case is going to trial this month. This news is very helpful it would seem.
Very big win, if they can fix this they can fix 2020.
I believe so. I also live in AZ. Optimism is high today. When the '20 steal of AZ happened, then again in '22, I said to myself "they picked the wrong state to pull this stunt. FAFO"
I know Maricopa County is corrupt and compromised, but this is the state that had the 90-mile long Trump caravan. No way this stunt doesn't get revealed here. Way too conservative. Like 99%. I still think the same of Georgia too. Pulling these stunts in deep red states is gonna come back to bite them bigly. Just a matter of time.
It's why they tell you, constantly, to deny the evidence of your own eyes and ears. The support is there. They know it. That's why they do these things, because they hope it's enough to gaslight everyone into thinking otherwise.
Upvote for this!
u/#updoot
96 Mile Long Trump Caravan in Tuscan Arizona Pima County - Large Trump Train in Arizona
YES fren!!! Thx for adding the video. And the MSM wants us to believe AZ turned blue. Pfft.
Fraud vitiates everything.
That's the fact, ever since the Supreme Court famously wrote that in 1878.
The entire 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections should be thrown out.
i didnt know Scotus wrote that...damn thats where it comes from
The case is famously referred to as "Throckmorton"
The 1878 case is United States vs Throckmorton, and the decision is here.
The “fraud vitiates…” part that people are quoting doesn’t mean what it sounds like. In fact the court ruled in this case that an allegation of fraud is not sufficient to overturn a previously settled legal process so, to the extent that it is relevant at all, Throckmorton supports allowing the election results to stand.
In the subsequent 150 years there’s been much legal wrangling about how and when Throckmorton should be applied (if you don’t want to read about 980 million pages tedious pages of legal writing, the Wikipedia article is a good summary) but none of that makes Throckmorton any more helpful to challenging the 2020 results.
Is an allegation of fraud ever sufficient to overturn anything? Or does it require PROOF of the fraud?
Stealing a presidential election in an elaborately orchestrated coup d'Ă©tat is an act of treason. So, is that stolen election really a "previously settled legal process"? Can anything blatantly and patently ILLEGAL, such as treason, ever be a settled LEGAL process?
Parts of 2016 also
We need some good news.
I believe good news is gonna pile up over the next year
Are we going to get tired of winning?
AZ 2022 was straight up fraud. Katie Hobgoblin was literally in charge of her own election!
And? Are any of these people going to be arrested for BREAKING THE LAW?
No? Are we going to keep getting hopium drips until 2024 when they inevitably attempt the same steal playbook?
Sorry for pseudo-dooming, but It's getting old!
Perhaps they won't be laughing any longer when Trump's back in power.... none of us know. All we have is assumptions and hope. And it's good to be positive, which is why I've been keeping my eye on Kari's efforts. But, I have my moments of stress and doom. My commentary doesn't have any impact on what's happening behind the scenes.
If you paid attention, you'd have more than assumptions and hope to go on.
They're on their own
Self Ego
Shilly Time Frame...
Just here to spread their internal
Negativity...
Definitely SHILLS
Yep, I'm a shill. You've totally blown my cover. Nice going, Sherlock!
You might not be a SHILL...
your CHOSEN statements of
Doom/ Gloom
Reflect such behaviors...
Name a time in your life where you felt some despair or hopelessness. If you claim you've never, you'd be a liar. During times in one's life, it's natural. This fight is a protracted and messy process, even if it's structured in a way by our allies which is designed to close the walls in in on the enemy, It's also war. War is messy and can be unpredictable. Even when victory is assumed, those within who are subject to the enemy's countermoves are bound to have their "off-days" where the stress of the fight can get to them. It doesn't mean they lose all hope or give up. To say that one has never felt these thoughts at some point in their life is disingenuous.
^^^ facts
I'll vouch for LordKek... far from shill, good contributor here on our boards
I'll second that. Always good opinions and analysis. Laughed at my 'BobbyJoe'd' posts from several months ago, so also has a sense of humor, which we all need to have to stay sane in these circus world times.
Bobbyjoe is GAW HoF content, Fren. Laughing again over here just thinking about it, KEK
I'm livin' the high life over here, Fren. I have my moments, though... not gonna lie. It's a long fight.
I do too. We all do. Sh!t just gets so heavy that we can't help but vent at times.
Ya. Long solid history.
Get fucked.
LoL. Good times.
It's time your
Meds
Karen
Drip drip drip fren... all by design
Arrests. Really? Where would they go?
Think there's a non-cabal, non-deepstate court with upstanding honest trustworthy judges out there somewhere?
A court where deepstate cabal operatives get sent for trial, found guilty, and sent to the non-cabal, non-deepstate prison?
The prison with the honest red-blooded true blue American non-pedophile, non-bribed warden and guards, plus functioning CCTV equipment and security cameras??
so if the AZ election was unlawful, then those who certified it knowing it was unlawful, what happens to them?
The signature matching being unlawful would necessitate either a class action lawsuit either by voters or a normal lawsuit by electoral candidates against whoever has statutory authority over the elections in the state/county, I.E. The People of Maricopa County vs. The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, since in Arizona, each county has a Board of Supervisors who hold statutory authority and appoint an Elections Director.
The legal standing for the lawsuit, as I understand it, would stem from the fact that the Board of Supervisors neglected to perform the duties of their office, and in so doing, defrauded both the citizenry of that county and the electoral candidates.
Very good question. IDK and not a legal expert, but I'm assuming nothing would happen to them bc at the time of the certification, the unlawfulness wasn't known. (Suspected and presumed, yes, but not "official"). Guess we'll find out!
I do recall the '22 election was certified by several counties "under duress." They knew something was up and wanted facts to come out but were legally bullied into certifying, thus made open statements "under duress" during certification.
It was known. That makes them complicit in stealing an election from the people of s rightful winner. Traitors. Death penalty.
You mean the process where they don’t actually match the signatures.
People are rightly impatient… But we all have to realize we take years to sort out a simple case of small business embezzlement. Our slow justice system will make the result all undeniable, and we will not face generations of people having to wonder what was true.
They will figure it out whenever Pfizer and jab manufactures release there side effects of vaccine in 75 years.
So true. Sucks at times as we want immediate results/gratification especially when it comes to justice. But patience is a virtuous necessity.
YUGE for GEOTUS 2020
About time we had some sort of victory.
We should always be a bit skeptical when a news article talks about some court ruling but doesn’t provide a link to what the court actually did. So here’s the ruling https://riteusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Superior-Court-State-of-Arizona-County-of-Yavapai-RITE-v.-Fontes.pdf and the “massive win” is that the court didn’t decide that the case was dead on arrival.
I read the article AND the ruling. The article misstates the ruling, which just denied the Secretary of State’s request to dismiss the case out of the hand.
The ruling is the first paragraph, the part above the section heading "Facts and Procedural History". It says that the motion to dismiss is denied because there is a viable and ripe claim for relief. Everything below that (except for the order on page 5 where the judge says we'll consider next steps in the case on Sep 19) is stuff that has yet to be settled when the case goes to trial.
Such is the state of things today that a judge needs to say that a law means what it says and they didn’t follow the law.
And......