I am profoundly disappointed in Nunes. I cannot even imagine a good 5th gen/psyop reason to publicly say this, and then post a clip of it on your own channel. Even if McCarthy was strategic to white hats, Nunes statement effectively says "the party is more important the people and the constitution".
That is not a game theory answer to this question. What I mean is, if you ask the question, "how do we fix this state we are in? (literally and figuratively)" the answer cannot be equally as bad as the current state. Party politics over principals is just that.
In addition, publicly lamenting what has already transpired, serves no white hat purpose. It cannot be undone at this point. If McCarthy was strategic, you failed to protect him. Adjust your plan and move on. If he was not (likely), then who cares.
I am guessing that Nunes is a good guy (I hope), likely being used as a pawn in the plan, but he is not "less than 10".
No one on Fox is trustworthy. No one. Levin proved he was a Fox toady with all this saber rattling for Ukraine over the past year. Most of those Republicans who voted for McCarthy knew Gaetz only needed a few votes to top off the Dems votes. So why stick their necks out? They're politicos. They don't do neck sticking unnecessarily.
And that is why this was long in the making. McCarthy already made his mold for everyone to see some time ago. The single congress person ability to raise a 'motion to vacate' the Speaker was made so that McCarthy wouldn't go back on his word. The motion-to-vacate was not ever a done deal if say, even a democrat used it. With Gaetz's motion it faced being tabled, but survived that vote. This is why we are here today as a result of the votes for removing McCarthy surviving.
Trump provided the correct game theory answer to the situation. Nunes did not. Nunes expressed concern for party over principal.
A coalition is paramount for the eventual destruction of the cabal. But it cannot be at any cost. Compromising your principals to win, is actually still a loss. When you are fighting for your principals and morals, if you compromise them in order to win, you've effectively joined ranks with your enemy.
If he had come out and said, "we need to embrace satanists to grow the party so we can win" you would instantly know that is absurd. I find it nearly as absurd that conservatives should not be allowed to call out RINO's within their ranks.
Given military ops are compartmentalized, and Devin is no longer embedded in the congressional compartment, he is likely unaware of the chess moves and he's critiquing a series of events he may not understand. I trust the plan.
Edit: or per TSearch’s comment below, Devin just sticking to script
I like Devin. I think he’s wrong, I’m not willing to turn my back on him yet. It’s America, you have the right to your opinion, and the right to change it as you want.
Basically the only concession Gaetz got during the Gavel War was it would be easier to dismiss the speaker than usual. Maybe mccarthy should have thought about that instead of funding for zelensky
The irony here is McCarthy maneuvered the Dems into passing a 45 day CR with no Ukraine funding. All of under the belief they had a side deal with him. Then he smiled and laughed as Gaetz and the Dems voted him out.
Honestly tho I think he thought he was safe because he thought he'd made friends w pelosi. This goes to show no matter how much you try to compromise with them they will still stick a knife in you as soon as your back is exposed. Not one dem, not even the "moderate" ones, voted to keep him. The moral of the story is ... quit trying to reach across the aisle. We are at war.
If our “team” doesn’t support The Constitution then I’m not on the team. And the will of The People. Stupid as some of them can be. I’d rather our government answer to the stupid people than special interests and the slimy Deep State.
It’s all distraction. It’s meant to keep the left guessing what the plan is. Buck said someone is going to bid for speaker but that someone asked him not to say who it was. This was on Benny Johnson’s podcast yesterday. I have a feeling that someone is Trump.
A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective.
Sun Tzu
All warfare is based on deception. Therefore, when capable, feign incapacity; when active, inactivity. When near, make it appear that you are far away; when far away, that you are to lure him; feign disorder and strike him. When he concentrates, prepare against him; where he is strong, avoid him. Anger his general and confuse him. Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.
Sun Tzu
Gaetz, McCarthy, and Nunes are all on the same team. They’re playing their roles so well even we are deceived.
Just for the record, because I feel so many are missing my point (which I'll own for not articulating it better)....
My issue is not that Nunes publicly stated he was against what Gaetz did. I think he is wrong, but know well enough that this timeline is nuts. My issue is that he stated the reason he was wrong was because "politics is a team sport".
Being a team sport is how we got here (grand oversimplification, I know). People refused to clean up their ranks. RINO's dragged us to the dark side and true conservatives did what was best "for the party".
My assumption, which could be wrong, is the effort is to make Gaetz look like a loose cannon. I don’t think Nunes believes what he is saying, he’s saying it to aid in deceiving the Dems.
Like I said before, the big fly in the soup is that Gaetz and the others have to team up with Demonic Rats to boot McCarthy.
Isn't the definition of a RINO a "Republican" who acts like and agrees with Demonic Rats?
By that definition, we should assign the RINO label to Gaetz and his accomplices just as quickly as we assigned it to anyone who is backing McCarthy (regardless of reason).
Downvote me all you want, but I am warning that this hypocrisy will destroy our movement and stop what is coming, forever.
AOC, her squad, Piglosi, and practically the entire Demonic Rats host are liars and backstabbers, on top of being perverts, pedophiles, thieves, and traitors.
You support that? Because Gaetz' name is now fused forevermore to all of them with this vote.
The thread is about whether or not Matt Gaetz should have "gone against the 'team'" by ousting McCarthy.
Why did he want to oust McCarthy in the first place? Because McCarthy is a proven liar and backstabber.
My question to you was and is: Do you support that behavior from a member of the "team" (McCarthy)?
Gaetz did not lie, like McCarthy did.
Gaetz did not say to his own caucus he would or wouldn't do something, and then turn around and do the opposite, like McCarthy did.
I asked you if you support these dishonorable actions of McCarthy.
But you have purposely evaded answering this directly -- three times now -- so I can assume you DO in fact support such lying and backstabbing, from someone who claims to be on your "team."
You seem to be perfectly fine with a man lying directly to your face, and then doing nothing at all about it.
That's your excuse? I voicing a contrary opinion to this board means I am brainwashed?
For a board that supposed to promote expanded thinking and analysis, even if it is unpopular, this boards' rather sheepish and intolerant of anything against the grain.
No, having a contrary opinion doesn't make you brainwashed. I have contrary opinions often; I disagreed about McCarthy from the beginning while people were almost worshipping the ground he walked on because Trump pushed him.
Not recognizing that you are playing into the propaganda that I called would be happening the moment it happened is what makes you brainwashed.
McCarthy was party to destroying this country, and lied about the provisions and made multiple secret deals with the Democrats.
Democrats joining in ousting him is just an expected outcome because they are opportunistic ass holes. That doesn't make Gaetz bad.
If this is truly a movie, then plot twists are coming. I wouldn’t be surprised if McCarthy and Nunes are the good guys, and Geatz ends up being the mole!
Nunes = Trey Gowdy 2.0. Gowdy ran interference for the DS with all his fire brand antics, and we believed it early on and then started to see what he was about and then he existed quickly. Nunes has been just as feckless, all talk ZERO results.
McCarthy promised the team he would do certain things to help the team win, and then did not follow thru with his promises…Fuck McCarthy!!!
💯
I am profoundly disappointed in Nunes. I cannot even imagine a good 5th gen/psyop reason to publicly say this, and then post a clip of it on your own channel. Even if McCarthy was strategic to white hats, Nunes statement effectively says "the party is more important the people and the constitution".
That is not a game theory answer to this question. What I mean is, if you ask the question, "how do we fix this state we are in? (literally and figuratively)" the answer cannot be equally as bad as the current state. Party politics over principals is just that.
In addition, publicly lamenting what has already transpired, serves no white hat purpose. It cannot be undone at this point. If McCarthy was strategic, you failed to protect him. Adjust your plan and move on. If he was not (likely), then who cares.
I am guessing that Nunes is a good guy (I hope), likely being used as a pawn in the plan, but he is not "less than 10".
in pro wrestling, to bring attention to the match and get the audience revved up for it, both sides cut promos ahead of it.
they understand the sad reality: most humans don't pay attention to things unless there is drama. drama is an argument.
got your attention, didn't it?
Yes, but we have gifs for that. 😉
u/#trumpbeatdown
Yep, good analogy.
Yea Nunes was always one of the few I trusted.
Nunes is often confused with Scavino. Scavino he is not.
Good point... still disappointed in him for saying this malarkey
HOW-ev-eRRRR... We're watching a movie.
Don't forget that so easily next time, mmmkay?
Now, what else was I going to just say??? 😂😂😂
For this operation to be a success, white hats NEED to hide their true loyalties. Stop playing 2D checkers.
u/#5dchess
No one on Fox is trustworthy. No one. Levin proved he was a Fox toady with all this saber rattling for Ukraine over the past year. Most of those Republicans who voted for McCarthy knew Gaetz only needed a few votes to top off the Dems votes. So why stick their necks out? They're politicos. They don't do neck sticking unnecessarily.
After a firing, the words chosen are most often ones of a conciliatory tone. Trump chose Devin Nunes for TS for a reason.
"MAGATS" make America great again to socialism?
And that is why this was long in the making. McCarthy already made his mold for everyone to see some time ago. The single congress person ability to raise a 'motion to vacate' the Speaker was made so that McCarthy wouldn't go back on his word. The motion-to-vacate was not ever a done deal if say, even a democrat used it. With Gaetz's motion it faced being tabled, but survived that vote. This is why we are here today as a result of the votes for removing McCarthy surviving.
IMHO, McCarthy brought this down on himself.
We the American people are NOT disappointed in Matt Gaetz.
First guy in there who's had balls to do anything.
Yes Finnaly one RINO down
Publicly, Trump expresses disapproval for the ousting oh McCarthy.
After the ouster, Matt made it clear that Trump actually approved and was happy with it.
Therefore, there is a reason to outwardly disapprove while secretly approving. We just don’t know why yet.
Trump provided the correct game theory answer to the situation. Nunes did not. Nunes expressed concern for party over principal.
A coalition is paramount for the eventual destruction of the cabal. But it cannot be at any cost. Compromising your principals to win, is actually still a loss. When you are fighting for your principals and morals, if you compromise them in order to win, you've effectively joined ranks with your enemy.
Trump is right, Devin is wrong.
Some disinfo is necessary.
"some..."
If he had come out and said, "we need to embrace satanists to grow the party so we can win" you would instantly know that is absurd. I find it nearly as absurd that conservatives should not be allowed to call out RINO's within their ranks.
Great actors make a great movie.
Which Team?
Team RINO? Team America?
Not sorry Devin...now walk it off.
Politics is a team sport??????? Since when did representing the people that voted for you a sport???
Can't hide corruption on your own. It takes a team
They treat us like a ball that can be kicked around...our lives are a game to them
Given military ops are compartmentalized, and Devin is no longer embedded in the congressional compartment, he is likely unaware of the chess moves and he's critiquing a series of events he may not understand. I trust the plan.
Edit: or per TSearch’s comment below, Devin just sticking to script
Definitely trust the plan. Also know that the plan is not to protect the GOP "team".
Dismantling the Old Guard.
I like Devin. I think he’s wrong, I’m not willing to turn my back on him yet. It’s America, you have the right to your opinion, and the right to change it as you want.
Basically the only concession Gaetz got during the Gavel War was it would be easier to dismiss the speaker than usual. Maybe mccarthy should have thought about that instead of funding for zelensky
The irony here is McCarthy maneuvered the Dems into passing a 45 day CR with no Ukraine funding. All of under the belief they had a side deal with him. Then he smiled and laughed as Gaetz and the Dems voted him out.
Honestly tho I think he thought he was safe because he thought he'd made friends w pelosi. This goes to show no matter how much you try to compromise with them they will still stick a knife in you as soon as your back is exposed. Not one dem, not even the "moderate" ones, voted to keep him. The moral of the story is ... quit trying to reach across the aisle. We are at war.
Boy.
A lot of people are outing themselves.
If our “team” doesn’t support The Constitution then I’m not on the team. And the will of The People. Stupid as some of them can be. I’d rather our government answer to the stupid people than special interests and the slimy Deep State.
Yup. As far as I'm concerned, there are two teams now.
"Them" and MAGA.
McCarthy was "Them".
Most people are not upset that Matt Gaetz returned a punt return for a touchdown.
The politicians who complain the most for what Matt Gaetz did are being identified as Swamp Creatures. The Swamp is deep.
Remember when Nunes and Kash were specifically pumping Q innuendo out there, making light of it, just to promote truth social?
I do.
Haven't really trusted either one since.
Either they are in on it (which I now doubt), or they think the whole Q thing is comical and a larp.
Does not inspire confidence.
It’s all distraction. It’s meant to keep the left guessing what the plan is. Buck said someone is going to bid for speaker but that someone asked him not to say who it was. This was on Benny Johnson’s podcast yesterday. I have a feeling that someone is Trump.
It's not a sport, Devin. It's a blood bound responsibility. Many brave and noble Americans have given their lives, for your "sport".
Oh look, another rino.
Seriously?
So Nunes would sign billions for Ukraine too if he's SOTH. Interesting...
Sun Tzu
Sun Tzu
Gaetz, McCarthy, and Nunes are all on the same team. They’re playing their roles so well even we are deceived.
Just for the record, because I feel so many are missing my point (which I'll own for not articulating it better)....
My issue is not that Nunes publicly stated he was against what Gaetz did. I think he is wrong, but know well enough that this timeline is nuts. My issue is that he stated the reason he was wrong was because "politics is a team sport".
Being a team sport is how we got here (grand oversimplification, I know). People refused to clean up their ranks. RINO's dragged us to the dark side and true conservatives did what was best "for the party".
My assumption, which could be wrong, is the effort is to make Gaetz look like a loose cannon. I don’t think Nunes believes what he is saying, he’s saying it to aid in deceiving the Dems.
That's disappointing. I had him down for a white hat. There truly is only a handful.
That's why yesterday I asked if Nunes is still working closely w/ Fox and people downvote me and shit and today this happened.. LOL
Like I said before, the big fly in the soup is that Gaetz and the others have to team up with Demonic Rats to boot McCarthy.
Isn't the definition of a RINO a "Republican" who acts like and agrees with Demonic Rats?
By that definition, we should assign the RINO label to Gaetz and his accomplices just as quickly as we assigned it to anyone who is backing McCarthy (regardless of reason).
Downvote me all you want, but I am warning that this hypocrisy will destroy our movement and stop what is coming, forever.
McCarthy is a liar and a backstabber.
You support that?
AOC, her squad, Piglosi, and practically the entire Demonic Rats host are liars and backstabbers, on top of being perverts, pedophiles, thieves, and traitors.
You support that? Because Gaetz' name is now fused forevermore to all of them with this vote.
You evaded my question.
And you missed my point by changing the subject with your first question. I think that makes us even.
No.
I asked you a straight up question, and you evaded answering (twice, now).
That is dishonorable.
And you continue to try to change the subject. Which is dishonest to me.
The thread is about whether or not Matt Gaetz should have "gone against the 'team'" by ousting McCarthy.
Why did he want to oust McCarthy in the first place? Because McCarthy is a proven liar and backstabber.
My question to you was and is: Do you support that behavior from a member of the "team" (McCarthy)?
Gaetz did not lie, like McCarthy did.
Gaetz did not say to his own caucus he would or wouldn't do something, and then turn around and do the opposite, like McCarthy did.
I asked you if you support these dishonorable actions of McCarthy.
But you have purposely evaded answering this directly -- three times now -- so I can assume you DO in fact support such lying and backstabbing, from someone who claims to be on your "team."
You seem to be perfectly fine with a man lying directly to your face, and then doing nothing at all about it.
Tells me all I need to know.
The propaganda has got you.
That's your excuse? I voicing a contrary opinion to this board means I am brainwashed?
For a board that supposed to promote expanded thinking and analysis, even if it is unpopular, this boards' rather sheepish and intolerant of anything against the grain.
No, having a contrary opinion doesn't make you brainwashed. I have contrary opinions often; I disagreed about McCarthy from the beginning while people were almost worshipping the ground he walked on because Trump pushed him.
Not recognizing that you are playing into the propaganda that I called would be happening the moment it happened is what makes you brainwashed.
McCarthy was party to destroying this country, and lied about the provisions and made multiple secret deals with the Democrats.
Democrats joining in ousting him is just an expected outcome because they are opportunistic ass holes. That doesn't make Gaetz bad.
Every single comment on Rumble destroys Nunez. We are done with the BS - and the DS!
Thank you for reading the last half of my post and looking. It was perhaps the bigger point.
THE GREAT AWAKENING
Devin probably bummed he didn't get to play
Don't get mad at McCarthy for playing a traitor in this movie, he played his part well in my opinion.
If this is truly a movie, then plot twists are coming. I wouldn’t be surprised if McCarthy and Nunes are the good guys, and Geatz ends up being the mole!
Nunes = Trey Gowdy 2.0. Gowdy ran interference for the DS with all his fire brand antics, and we believed it early on and then started to see what he was about and then he existed quickly. Nunes has been just as feckless, all talk ZERO results.
Like an RL lens of truth
IMO Nunes, Gingrich and Jordan calling out Gaetz is pure kayfabe.