This is looking at the effect but there's no real evidence of the source. This is at best circumstantial for further investigation. It is not the smoking gun though. Electrical wiring is typically run along the center beam for the light and fan fixtures. This is evidenced in the photo. A light or fan can be seen hanging from the center in one of the photos. You can see an electrical wire hanging down and a fan/light fixture in the back .Did they overheat? If so, what caused it? Read my posting above
I think this is weak evidence actually. We saw the solid evidence pretty quickly and their reactions filled in a lot of the blanks. This very well may have been an electrical fire. I just know what both events were and I won't pretend otherwise.
"Solid Evidence" requires a smoking gun. I agree with you with the very strange conflagration and the incinerated ruins of all those structures. Almost all of the structures were turned to ashes. Regarding how or what caused it is unknown.
Plausible theories have been put forth. However, without hard evidence (i.e.smoking gun), it is indirect evidence that does not, on its face, prove a fact in issue but gives rise to a logical inference that the fact exists. It is useful as long as it can be tied to hard evidence (smoking gun). However, the hard evidence is what is lacking. This what we are left with in Lahaina, Paradise Hills in CA and other places. We need the 'smoking gun 'and the criminal suspects, who are responsible. The 'smoking gun' would be the equipment used to start all those fires. I theorized that these fires was result of high energy radiated microwave energy using the existing cell towers. Now this is only a theory. A strong enough transmission would fry the wiring in structures like this. And would start fires. The next question is, Where would such energy come from? I'm proposing the cell towers were being used. We know cell phones were disabled during this time. There also happens to be the 2nd largest DEW base on Maui. Could such intense radiated microwave energy be transmitted from those cell towers? I'm not the only one that has put forth this theory. It is only a theory though.
We do know that many people must have been involved in carrying this out. There was also compartmentalization of the operation. This is defined as a conspiracy. As it turns out in a conspiracy such as this,... and yes, this is legally defined as a conspiracy, the cover-up often becomes the bigger crime. In Lahaina, this is what we are seeing. It is a massive cover-up. Often, attacking the cover-up is the best course to take for determining all those people involved in the conspiracy and getting at the truth to how these fires burned as they did.
Understand there are things called breakers. When they are tripped, there is no more electrical current in the wires. Wires just don’t get hot for no reason. They have to be a major power surge and once again, the circuit breakers will trip. I lived in a house once that had glass fuses. Works the same. Wires are made of very little burn able materials. Nothing like what could go through wood a ceiling like this. I’ve been building houses and around electrical for a few decades. I’ve never seen any like this. When an electric fire happens, it catches everything else on fire if conditions are just right. Not the wire itself. And never in a straight line. It will be charred and black, but wire doesn’t burn. A little plastic and paper for insulation. That’s all it’s made of. Think of running a fuse through a pile of leaves. A black line sure, a bit charred grass. Nothing to get excited about. But the leaf pile will be torched. In this case it burned through wood in a straight line but nothing else. Very odd.
House fires do happen from poor electrical situations. Usually in older construction where typical codes weren’t even implemented yet. Like 50-60 yr old and older buildings. Usually in a electrical house fire the insulation catches fire and then so on and so forth. This video is just weird.
Also churches in many states kinda get a pass on many inspections. But not electrical. Not that I’ve ever seen or heard of.
A 12 or 14 gauge wire would need to be struck by lightning to do this. Whatever happened there happened so fast that the rest of the structure didn't have time to heat up and keep the fire burning. Also, a 200 amp service would burn up before cooking the 12 or 14 gage wires that hot that fast. There most likely is not a transformer planted in that building that could convert the energy to make it happen either.
At this point it's either a DEW or the congregation got a little to into singing Days of Elijah.
This is NOT evidence of DEW or anything similar. The false beams in that ceiling show a seam right down the middle. The false beam burned away leaving what looks like a laser trail. The reason the adjoining wood did not burn could be that it is sealed with poly and the beams were not. Also, the beams appear to be rough-cut lumber which would burn easier than the other wood.
Also, if you look at the top-down view of the exterior, there is no burn line.
There is evidence of a false beam on the other side of the ceiling, so this is a very plausible explanation. I'm not sure why people are getting shit on for trying to find a logical answer and doing research than just believing the "The is evidence". I do believe there was a DEW used, but I don't think this is proof.
I kinda agree with that as well. I personally don’t think it was a DEW weapon that caused this. Wouldn’t the floor have a burn line as well? I think it’s more in relation of the fire/wind that took place outside. The peak or ridge, that appears to have had a metal roof would be the hottest in a “fire sky” situation. As it went across the ridge, not burning the metal, and doing a combustion on the wood underneath. Those are low pitched trusses used here. And in most cases the distance between the top on the vault, and the top of the roof could only be like 4-6 inches. Easily catching fire on a disaster that was outside. I mean fire does crazy stuff to structures sometimes.
But I absolutely don’t believe it had anything to do with wiring. Best case scenario of a wire catching fire is using a 14guage wire, used in most lighting situations, with a 20amp breaker or bigger, would be catastrophic and could easy cause a fire if overloaded. The amperage on the breaker is to high. A 15amp would be plenty big. But, as soon as the switch is flipped, it would’ve started melting then. Not years and years later when a disaster is happening outside.
Not to mention that a satellite with a 90 minute interval would take less than a quarter of a second to travel a mile across land. Not a lot of focus time.
What fascinates me about the remains in all the situations that people will suspect an energy weapon is the extreme rate of combustion. Combustion of material that usually would not burn unless under extreme heat are typically turned to powder or a cooled molten blob. This is consistently found next to combustible material that is only lightly flash burned (like getting some exposed skin tanned from welding with that skin unshielded). Whatever happened was very quickly done, extremely hot, and specific. This specific ceiling looks like the wires got an incredible amount of energy focused on them for just a moment. Much more energy than the utility service to the building could sustain providing. It was indeed lighting or something very much like it.
Thank you. Yes, I'm very familiar with these "things called breakers". My 200 Amp service allows me to add 20 Amp wiring in the house where I need it.
You are absolutely correct in the electrical realm. However, my theory is based on intense microwave energy propagation coming from an external source (cell towers) that would cause the electrical wiring in homes to heat up melting the insulation and starting the fires. Think of a microwave with aluminum foil in it. Now, this is only a theory, but a strong enough transmission of microwave energy would fry the wiring in structures like this and start fires. The next question is, Where would such energy come from? I'm proposing the cell towers were being used. We know cell phones were disabled during this time. There also happens to be the 2nd largest DEW base on Maui. Could such intense radiated microwave energy be transmitted from Lahaina's cell towers? I'm not the only one that has put forth this theory. It is only a theory though. The "smoking gun" could be in plain sight though. I recall a Jesse Ventura show that talked about a similar thing using cell phone towers.
Wasn’t trying to be a smartie pants about the breakers. Was just tying to break it down simply. You seem to know your stuff. 👍
But yea I do believe foul play was at hand in Maui. I believe they were targeted. Maybe not every building as the fire spread. But you never know. Wiring, fires and the like can do crazy stuff.
Who else besides me heard that Paradise was dewed because "the entire town was inhabited by ETs" and the ground was so toxic after the fire that it was condemned as uninhabitable? If it has since been capitalized we'll know that toxicity issue was a bunch of crap.
This is NOT evidence of DEW or anything similar. The false beams in that ceiling show a seam right down the middle. The false beam burned away leaving what looks like a laser trail. The reason the adjoining wood did not burn could be that it is sealed with poly and the beams were not. Also, the beams appear to be rough-cut lumber which would burn easier than the other wood.
Also, if you look at the top-down view of the exterior, there is no burn line.
Maybe a DEW hit the end of the building and instantly fried that section of wiring so fast the rest of the surrounding structure didn't have time to heat up and burn with it. DEW or lightning.
That's not DEW. That's overloaded electric wiring. I have hears that what they can do with the newer meters and control panels is that the power company can send to much to any given house or line of service to cause the words to overheat, catch fire.
A DEE would have burned a whole through the entire roof in a line IMO.
Look at the 15 second mark, you see the burned building surrounding the church, however there is no burn mark across the roof. To cut a hole through the ceiling in the church, it would have had to cut a hole through the roof as well.
Looks like the church caught fire on the right-hand side, (per top view) you can see the scorched earth surrounding that end of the church. Looks like the center partition burned, most likely made of that fake styrofoam finish molding.
I suppose the wires/metal conduit in the ceiling got hit with a enough power to instantly consume them but not for a long enough time to ignite what surrounded them. A lightning strike in the right spot could have delivered that amount of energy... or a fancy space laser that is not supposed to exist outside of Israel and imaginations hit the side of the building.
We saw the same damage in Santa Rosa, Ca. Trees burnt from the inside out, cars melted onto the ground while grass nearby lightly singed. No doubt, energy weapons were used.
The number of people who became overnight experts on fires after Maui despite having no idea how fires work at all is way too high.
We also need more details on that building that didn't burn down. No context was given concerning what materials the building was made out of, no details on what direction/magnitude the wind was on that day, which absolutely determines how fires spread, etc. Complete lack of any evidence-backed argument whatsoever.
In reviewing the video of the church and the burn marks along the center line on the ceiling, my question was there electrical wires run along the center of the beam? I'm inclined to believe there was. A light or fan can be seen hanging from the center in one of the photos. There is also an electrical wire hanging down as evidenced in the video and the picture.
The reason I'm mentioning this is because I believe the best explanation for these fires is by radiated microwave energy. Now this is only a theory. A strong enough transmission would fry the wiring in structures like this. And would start fires. The next question is, Where would such energy come from? I'm proposing the cell towers were being used. There happens to be the 2nd largest DEW base on Maui. Could such radiated microwave energy be transmitted from those cell towers? I'm not the only one that has put forth this theory.
Can those towers push the comparable energy as a lightning bolt? I'm suspicious that a DEW caught the end of the building and put a massive amount of energy into the church's wiring which caused them to basically explode into a fast burning flame which burnt out the moment the energy moved on and burnt out faster than the surrounding structure could ignite.
I don't know...... You are speaking of "lightning" and therefore massive electrical current. We are only theorizing here, but that implies electro-magnetic energy that operates in a transformer. Right now, I'm not visualizing how that would work and will give some thought on it. However, we know cell phone technology uses propagation in the microwave spectrum. If the cellular towers are wired to handle higher electrical loads and the transmitters also can handle higher amperage, then it is possible that the transmitted microwave energy may overheat wiring in homes and buildings to cause widespread fires. Again, this is only a working theory, but the infrastructure for this possibility may already be there in plain sight. The other theories of DEW lasers from the sky IMHO is not very plausible.......especially if you consider the widespread conflagration that occurred. The very widespread complete ruins of ashes, instead of the typical black-charred and partially burnt remaining structures is very absent from the Lahaina conflagration. Typical wild fires don't work this way.....
I appreciate your thoughts. I have a lot of practical skills and hobbies. I weld on occasion. Even 240 volts can make quite and arch melting steel together. My three take aways from this is that it was short lived, very intense, and very precise. Only that spot burnt real hot for a short time. I don't think a DEW cut through the building though but it appears to me something very powerful contacted something conductive and shocked it to bits. I agree that we shouldn't run to far without some specific sauce but I think we should all consider pushing for answers indiscriminately.
I dont know about all of this but combined with other actions like blocking roads so people could not escape, closing schools without parent notification, missing kids, no emergency alerts, etc is enough for me to believe they are ' killing us everyday '.
The US military that watches the world's skies 24/7 absolutely knows WTF is up. They know what this is, who did it, how, why, etc. Is any of us safe if this crap is allowed to occur?
I believe it's true. Sad.
9/11 Breakthrough Energy Technology
https://youtu.be/vadSaWyiozg
Doesn't require belief. Mark Esper warned people about DEWs on live TV during the Trump admin.
I posted the video a while ago so I'll search for it here again after I'm off work. He was crystal clear about it.
Both Paradise, CA & Maui, HI were DEW attacks and land grabs.
This is looking at the effect but there's no real evidence of the source. This is at best circumstantial for further investigation. It is not the smoking gun though. Electrical wiring is typically run along the center beam for the light and fan fixtures. This is evidenced in the photo. A light or fan can be seen hanging from the center in one of the photos. You can see an electrical wire hanging down and a fan/light fixture in the back .Did they overheat? If so, what caused it? Read my posting above
I think this is weak evidence actually. We saw the solid evidence pretty quickly and their reactions filled in a lot of the blanks. This very well may have been an electrical fire. I just know what both events were and I won't pretend otherwise.
"Solid Evidence" requires a smoking gun. I agree with you with the very strange conflagration and the incinerated ruins of all those structures. Almost all of the structures were turned to ashes. Regarding how or what caused it is unknown.
Plausible theories have been put forth. However, without hard evidence (i.e.smoking gun), it is indirect evidence that does not, on its face, prove a fact in issue but gives rise to a logical inference that the fact exists. It is useful as long as it can be tied to hard evidence (smoking gun). However, the hard evidence is what is lacking. This what we are left with in Lahaina, Paradise Hills in CA and other places. We need the 'smoking gun 'and the criminal suspects, who are responsible. The 'smoking gun' would be the equipment used to start all those fires. I theorized that these fires was result of high energy radiated microwave energy using the existing cell towers. Now this is only a theory. A strong enough transmission would fry the wiring in structures like this. And would start fires. The next question is, Where would such energy come from? I'm proposing the cell towers were being used. We know cell phones were disabled during this time. There also happens to be the 2nd largest DEW base on Maui. Could such intense radiated microwave energy be transmitted from those cell towers? I'm not the only one that has put forth this theory. It is only a theory though.
We do know that many people must have been involved in carrying this out. There was also compartmentalization of the operation. This is defined as a conspiracy. As it turns out in a conspiracy such as this,... and yes, this is legally defined as a conspiracy, the cover-up often becomes the bigger crime. In Lahaina, this is what we are seeing. It is a massive cover-up. Often, attacking the cover-up is the best course to take for determining all those people involved in the conspiracy and getting at the truth to how these fires burned as they did.
Understand there are things called breakers. When they are tripped, there is no more electrical current in the wires. Wires just don’t get hot for no reason. They have to be a major power surge and once again, the circuit breakers will trip. I lived in a house once that had glass fuses. Works the same. Wires are made of very little burn able materials. Nothing like what could go through wood a ceiling like this. I’ve been building houses and around electrical for a few decades. I’ve never seen any like this. When an electric fire happens, it catches everything else on fire if conditions are just right. Not the wire itself. And never in a straight line. It will be charred and black, but wire doesn’t burn. A little plastic and paper for insulation. That’s all it’s made of. Think of running a fuse through a pile of leaves. A black line sure, a bit charred grass. Nothing to get excited about. But the leaf pile will be torched. In this case it burned through wood in a straight line but nothing else. Very odd. House fires do happen from poor electrical situations. Usually in older construction where typical codes weren’t even implemented yet. Like 50-60 yr old and older buildings. Usually in a electrical house fire the insulation catches fire and then so on and so forth. This video is just weird. Also churches in many states kinda get a pass on many inspections. But not electrical. Not that I’ve ever seen or heard of.
A 12 or 14 gauge wire would need to be struck by lightning to do this. Whatever happened there happened so fast that the rest of the structure didn't have time to heat up and keep the fire burning. Also, a 200 amp service would burn up before cooking the 12 or 14 gage wires that hot that fast. There most likely is not a transformer planted in that building that could convert the energy to make it happen either.
At this point it's either a DEW or the congregation got a little to into singing Days of Elijah.
This is NOT evidence of DEW or anything similar. The false beams in that ceiling show a seam right down the middle. The false beam burned away leaving what looks like a laser trail. The reason the adjoining wood did not burn could be that it is sealed with poly and the beams were not. Also, the beams appear to be rough-cut lumber which would burn easier than the other wood.
Also, if you look at the top-down view of the exterior, there is no burn line.
There is evidence of a false beam on the other side of the ceiling, so this is a very plausible explanation. I'm not sure why people are getting shit on for trying to find a logical answer and doing research than just believing the "The is evidence". I do believe there was a DEW used, but I don't think this is proof.
I kinda agree with that as well. I personally don’t think it was a DEW weapon that caused this. Wouldn’t the floor have a burn line as well? I think it’s more in relation of the fire/wind that took place outside. The peak or ridge, that appears to have had a metal roof would be the hottest in a “fire sky” situation. As it went across the ridge, not burning the metal, and doing a combustion on the wood underneath. Those are low pitched trusses used here. And in most cases the distance between the top on the vault, and the top of the roof could only be like 4-6 inches. Easily catching fire on a disaster that was outside. I mean fire does crazy stuff to structures sometimes.
But I absolutely don’t believe it had anything to do with wiring. Best case scenario of a wire catching fire is using a 14guage wire, used in most lighting situations, with a 20amp breaker or bigger, would be catastrophic and could easy cause a fire if overloaded. The amperage on the breaker is to high. A 15amp would be plenty big. But, as soon as the switch is flipped, it would’ve started melting then. Not years and years later when a disaster is happening outside.
I agree with you. I think we need to be careful of the things we share, there are bad actors within who spread disinfo to discredit our movement.
Not to mention that a satellite with a 90 minute interval would take less than a quarter of a second to travel a mile across land. Not a lot of focus time.
They had like a hurricane at the time. That would bring lightning. Large fires can also cause lightning.
What fascinates me about the remains in all the situations that people will suspect an energy weapon is the extreme rate of combustion. Combustion of material that usually would not burn unless under extreme heat are typically turned to powder or a cooled molten blob. This is consistently found next to combustible material that is only lightly flash burned (like getting some exposed skin tanned from welding with that skin unshielded). Whatever happened was very quickly done, extremely hot, and specific. This specific ceiling looks like the wires got an incredible amount of energy focused on them for just a moment. Much more energy than the utility service to the building could sustain providing. It was indeed lighting or something very much like it.
Thank you. Yes, I'm very familiar with these "things called breakers". My 200 Amp service allows me to add 20 Amp wiring in the house where I need it.
You are absolutely correct in the electrical realm. However, my theory is based on intense microwave energy propagation coming from an external source (cell towers) that would cause the electrical wiring in homes to heat up melting the insulation and starting the fires. Think of a microwave with aluminum foil in it. Now, this is only a theory, but a strong enough transmission of microwave energy would fry the wiring in structures like this and start fires. The next question is, Where would such energy come from? I'm proposing the cell towers were being used. We know cell phones were disabled during this time. There also happens to be the 2nd largest DEW base on Maui. Could such intense radiated microwave energy be transmitted from Lahaina's cell towers? I'm not the only one that has put forth this theory. It is only a theory though. The "smoking gun" could be in plain sight though. I recall a Jesse Ventura show that talked about a similar thing using cell phone towers.
Wasn’t trying to be a smartie pants about the breakers. Was just tying to break it down simply. You seem to know your stuff. 👍
But yea I do believe foul play was at hand in Maui. I believe they were targeted. Maybe not every building as the fire spread. But you never know. Wiring, fires and the like can do crazy stuff.
Who else besides me heard that Paradise was dewed because "the entire town was inhabited by ETs" and the ground was so toxic after the fire that it was condemned as uninhabitable? If it has since been capitalized we'll know that toxicity issue was a bunch of crap.
I don't know about any of that, but trees don't burn from the inside out.
I think it was up on 8kun ...I also read it and saw the pictures
That's pretty compelling evidence.
This is NOT evidence of DEW or anything similar. The false beams in that ceiling show a seam right down the middle. The false beam burned away leaving what looks like a laser trail. The reason the adjoining wood did not burn could be that it is sealed with poly and the beams were not. Also, the beams appear to be rough-cut lumber which would burn easier than the other wood.
Also, if you look at the top-down view of the exterior, there is no burn line.
Electrical is run from the center beam for the light and fan fixtures. Did they overheat? If so, what caused it? Read my posting above.
Maybe a DEW hit the end of the building and instantly fried that section of wiring so fast the rest of the surrounding structure didn't have time to heat up and burn with it. DEW or lightning.
That's not DEW. That's overloaded electric wiring. I have hears that what they can do with the newer meters and control panels is that the power company can send to much to any given house or line of service to cause the words to overheat, catch fire.
A DEE would have burned a whole through the entire roof in a line IMO.
I believe this is likely the case. There doesn't appear to be a matching burn line on the rooftop for a dew.
Looks like that's a steel beam that probably extends above the wood ceiling and contained the fire to the single bay.
Was there a metal beam along the peak of the roof?
So the Chinese satellites were directly above both fires?!
Look at the 15 second mark, you see the burned building surrounding the church, however there is no burn mark across the roof. To cut a hole through the ceiling in the church, it would have had to cut a hole through the roof as well.
Looks like the church caught fire on the right-hand side, (per top view) you can see the scorched earth surrounding that end of the church. Looks like the center partition burned, most likely made of that fake styrofoam finish molding.
I suppose the wires/metal conduit in the ceiling got hit with a enough power to instantly consume them but not for a long enough time to ignite what surrounded them. A lightning strike in the right spot could have delivered that amount of energy... or a fancy space laser that is not supposed to exist outside of Israel and imaginations hit the side of the building.
The U-2 spy plane was created in 1955. Officially, it didn't exist until the Soviets shot one down in 1960.
Space lasers were created in 20xx. Officially, it doesn't exist until Trump is back in office and exposes the Deep State operation.
Meh
That's the center beam burning and falling off the ceiling, not evidence of a dew. Not saying there was no dew, but this isn't proof.
We saw the same damage in Santa Rosa, Ca. Trees burnt from the inside out, cars melted onto the ground while grass nearby lightly singed. No doubt, energy weapons were used.
The number of people who became overnight experts on fires after Maui despite having no idea how fires work at all is way too high.
We also need more details on that building that didn't burn down. No context was given concerning what materials the building was made out of, no details on what direction/magnitude the wind was on that day, which absolutely determines how fires spread, etc. Complete lack of any evidence-backed argument whatsoever.
In reviewing the video of the church and the burn marks along the center line on the ceiling, my question was there electrical wires run along the center of the beam? I'm inclined to believe there was. A light or fan can be seen hanging from the center in one of the photos. There is also an electrical wire hanging down as evidenced in the video and the picture.
The reason I'm mentioning this is because I believe the best explanation for these fires is by radiated microwave energy. Now this is only a theory. A strong enough transmission would fry the wiring in structures like this. And would start fires. The next question is, Where would such energy come from? I'm proposing the cell towers were being used. There happens to be the 2nd largest DEW base on Maui. Could such radiated microwave energy be transmitted from those cell towers? I'm not the only one that has put forth this theory.
Can those towers push the comparable energy as a lightning bolt? I'm suspicious that a DEW caught the end of the building and put a massive amount of energy into the church's wiring which caused them to basically explode into a fast burning flame which burnt out the moment the energy moved on and burnt out faster than the surrounding structure could ignite.
I don't know...... You are speaking of "lightning" and therefore massive electrical current. We are only theorizing here, but that implies electro-magnetic energy that operates in a transformer. Right now, I'm not visualizing how that would work and will give some thought on it. However, we know cell phone technology uses propagation in the microwave spectrum. If the cellular towers are wired to handle higher electrical loads and the transmitters also can handle higher amperage, then it is possible that the transmitted microwave energy may overheat wiring in homes and buildings to cause widespread fires. Again, this is only a working theory, but the infrastructure for this possibility may already be there in plain sight. The other theories of DEW lasers from the sky IMHO is not very plausible.......especially if you consider the widespread conflagration that occurred. The very widespread complete ruins of ashes, instead of the typical black-charred and partially burnt remaining structures is very absent from the Lahaina conflagration. Typical wild fires don't work this way.....
I appreciate your thoughts. I have a lot of practical skills and hobbies. I weld on occasion. Even 240 volts can make quite and arch melting steel together. My three take aways from this is that it was short lived, very intense, and very precise. Only that spot burnt real hot for a short time. I don't think a DEW cut through the building though but it appears to me something very powerful contacted something conductive and shocked it to bits. I agree that we shouldn't run to far without some specific sauce but I think we should all consider pushing for answers indiscriminately.
That was a true house of the lord. The extreme heat from the obvious DEW attack wasn't hot enough to ignite the place.
I dont know about all of this but combined with other actions like blocking roads so people could not escape, closing schools without parent notification, missing kids, no emergency alerts, etc is enough for me to believe they are ' killing us everyday '.
The US military that watches the world's skies 24/7 absolutely knows WTF is up. They know what this is, who did it, how, why, etc. Is any of us safe if this crap is allowed to occur?
Just went down a long rabbit hole.
100% convinced this fires are intentional, set by advanced technology.