It dawned on my today while taking my child to the dentist how messed up the whole thing is. Here is this place that charges an arm and a leg to "clean" your teeth several times a year, but they only really make real money if you need fillings, crowns, root canals and all sorts of other shit.
Today we got there and in spite of just having X rays done last week at a different place, this new place wanted their "own" set of x rays... of course at an additional cost of $400 and increased radiation exposure for my child. Then, they came up with a 4 stage plan over $5000 to fix four small cavities she has, including crowns and sedation and the whole 9 yards. Not to mention the manipulation they use on young kids. All their favourite disney shows playing, all the free toys and they even told her they were going to maybe put a "sparkly elsa tooth" in her mouth like WTF....
I declined the extra xrays, which they were shocked about. And left saying I would think about it. But as I left I realized that none of these 20 or 30 staff members at the clinic would have jobs if they weren't bringing in this kind of revenue.
But what a scam the whole thing is! If they were truly cleaning teeth properly they should have worked themselves out of a job long ago. Same thing with doctors and the relationship to pharmaceutical companies. The whole thing is a big scam!
Another awakening, praise GOD
So what do I do though. My daughter does need some fillings. But $5000 is insanity.
Gargle with hydrogen peroxide. Use colloidal silver if the teeth are infected. Teeth actually regrow if treated properly.
There have been a few good posts here on GAW about dental care; you can probably find then searching the terms dentist or dental. Comments are good too; they were robust threads as I recall.
You may be able to find holistic or natural dental care, depending on your area. Definitely better than a random standard dentist.
Here's one guy I follow, although dentistry is not his main thing. But at the end of this article you'll see other articles that he's written about dental care. https://darkovelcek.wordpress.com/2020/10/27/the-influence-of-the-shp-on-oral-health/
Mexico.
Tijuana or Nogales.
Find another dentist. This one sounds sus.
Is this after insurance or no insurance ?
That's the no insurance price.
Los Algodones is right across the border from Yuma, Arizona (The border crossing is actually in California). Their dental work is about 1/3 the price in the U.S. They are very good at what they do. I went with SANI, https://sanidentalgroup.com/. Los Algodones has approximately 300 dental clinics, pharmacies, liquor stores, and optometrists in a maybe 10 square block area. It is right across the border. Park on the American side and walk over less than 100 yards. SANI had a deal to put patients up for free in their hotel if enough money is spent on dental services.
I'm in Canada.
Its all a racket.
I was recently told I needed 3 fillings. I got a second opinion and I needed zero fillings.
I went to the dentist and he told me I had yellow teeth. I asked what could I do about it and he said “buy a brown tie”. 😏
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Go down the Rothschild Big Pharma rabbit hole and you will find the answer you seek. It's a dark dark world we reside in at this time, but the light is coming.
I stopped going to the dentist years ago. No cavities. No problems. Turns out they make no difference. I even stopped using toothpaste since I learned it is totally toxic. I might use baking soda or maybe just brush and floss alone, and no ill effects.
I treat dentists like doctors. If you have an issue that there is no way they can pretend to help you by giving you drugs to disguise the symptoms without addressing the underlying issue, like a broken bone, then they can be helpful. Otherwise I consider them completely useless at best and dangerous to my health at worst. Second leading cause of preventable death is medical malpractice! And that’s just the people they can’t deny they killed. In reality it is probably all preventable death.
its all a racket......years ago i had wisdom teeth pulled . i had dendal insurance it cost me 400 bucks (a long time ago lol) with 50/50 ins. A friend of mine went to the same guy had the same thing done cost him 400 bucks with no insurance ...go figure
Then I went to Mexico and paid 50$ and they told me next time don’t get the tooth pulled. They can actually save the tooth with procedures not done in America. I couldn’t go because of travel restrictions during COVD.
Also one of the better advances in oral healthcare has been the use of nanohydroxyapatite in toothpaste. It's been used in Japan for decades but for whatever reason it took a while to make it's way to the U.S.
You can find this stuff easily on Amazon and the good thing about this stuff is that it actually helps rebuild enamel if decayed, or strengthen it more if normal thereby making it more difficult for decay to take hold to form a cavity.
The more dentistry you seek, the more you will need.
Health care/pharma/insurance collusion is the world's largest scam outside of USAID
Even if cavities stopped immediately there would still be enough work for many years. The thing is composite fillings only last 7-10 years. Maybe up to 20. Then they have to be replaced. Amalgams last longer but mercury 🤮 The filling will be enlarged each time and may need to be converted to a crown eventually. This seems like a scam to me.
The good part about the cleanings is it reminds you what clean teeth feel like. I'm not sure how the actual cleaning 2x year itself actually helps prevent tooth decay. IMO it takes 10 minutes with a manual brush to get that clean.
Here they want to go straight to crowns as a preventative measure WHAT.
Gotta crown those baby teeth before they fall out! /s
I meant that fillings in general are a scam since they need replacing many times over a lifetime. Makes me wonder how bad mercury fillings really are. Or did they get phased out for a less durable product. Mercury is so toxic that it probably kills any bacteria remaining in the tooth. But, personally, I would get teeth extracted before getting mercury fillings.
It almost seems like they are making the dentists' office so much fun that kids are incentivized NOT to take good care of their teeth.
Our health is OUR responsibility, not the dentist's or doctor's. This is a great learning opportunity for your daughter. 1. It's not just one filling, it's many over a lifetime. 2. Oral infections are difficult to treat and can cause many apparently unrelated health problems. Root canals are bad. https://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/HuldaClark/cure.pdf pg 411 as printed on the bottom. Dr Clark makes some good points. But I think that Beck's blood electrifier is superior to Clark's zapper. And I have doubts about any information found by the Synchrometer.
Aspen Dental is a scam. Go to a traditional dentist. Walk away from these hacks. I mean it, they will take your money any way they can. Their is an older Consumer Reports article about dentistry. ( from Around 2010)? In the article they talked about. DO SOMETHING, It was a new teaching in the dentistry school to get PAID. The feeling of the school is once you have the customer in your chair charge them for anything and everything. It's called Do SOMETHING protocol. This way you never let the customer leave without making money. The comments from the investigator was that they were teaching a new way of thinking to the new dentist.
Total scam, take care of yourself nobody else will.
All care has been slowly but steadily siphoned out of our health care system ever since it became a system. At this point it's pretty close to 100% system and 0% care. Obviously our health suffers as a result.
Pfizer said “no”
💯 yes, and I’m an RN
Yes, it is a scam. I only do xrays when I can afford it. I just straight out tell them that. I don't do deep cleanings either. I brush, floss, and water pic, rinse with mouthwash and hydrogen peroxide, twice a day. It has saved me from a lot of dental work. I still have all of my teeth, except two crowns.
Yup it is an entire scam. They don't want you empowered. I've even seen videos of people reversing cavities themselves at home.
JB weld is amazing stuff!
The U.S. healthcare system is a mechanism to siphon off the equity and retirement savings of the Boomerz via ridiculously overinflated UCR’s for a never ending array of newly discovered maladies with unpronounceable names. 🥸🤓
For sure. Newly discovered maladies that strangely enough share many of the symptoms of other unpronounceable maladies.
You may want to consider biological dentistry or holistic dentistry,
BTW: did your child change his /her teeth yet?
Good guthealth and hydration goes a long way ...
They are her baby teeth. They want to put fucking CROWNS on her baby teeth because of minor surface cavities.
are u f-ing serious???
Yes! 4 crowns because she has cavities!
Really? Never heard of that. It seems rather premature and unwarranted to me to do this to a child. ...
Tip for everyone reading this....
I've found that some of the better dentists opt-in to become members of the Academy of General Dentistry which requires some sort of testing I think? Anyway my experience with them at least in my area is that members of this organization tend to run their own small practices and don't BS you a lot about unnecessary procedures.
Not a guarantee for anything but their provider search tool might help some frens out.
Medical/pharmaceutical system just as corrupt.
It's not just a scam--it's far worse. I just watched this documentary the other day and it was eye-opening.
https://rumble.com/v4rihlz-root-cause.html
I assumed it was only about root canals, but it covers a lot of ground.
Yes.
It's a tax
I was told by a very wealthy friend several years ago to pay nothing on any medical bills other than copays. I have since heard the same from others and now have practical knowledge as well. I pay big money for my insurance as a self employed contractor. I always pay my copays when I go for office calls. Any remaining debt they claim is theft.
I just spent a month in the hospital near death for 2 weeks. I had life saving surgery. My insurance paid out well over 250k. Ive started to get bills from every doctor I saw for costs exceeding insurance. Some of these doctors did nothing but consult for 5 minutes and want 5k from me.
I toss them all in the trash. It doesnt effect my credit at all. The one good thing the CFPB did was remove medical bills from credit reports. I think what is going on is that all these extras are basically the paying patients subsidizing those who use the emergency room as their PCP. So fuck them, I pay enough.
Welcome to the great awakening…
Go to Amazon and pick up Boka toothpaste. Read up on main ingredient. It is meant to be swallowed - which all fluoride toothpaste is not and it is toxic. Reduce sugar carbs and heavy fruit and give meat snacks in place of those. Meat and dairy grow healthy teeth. Add bone broth to your meals. They say they can’t be healed but they are living tissue. Dentist almost destroyed my health. No more. 4 hours of “deep cleaning” my mouth never recovered until I started eating carnivore diet and added Boka toothpaste to my regimen.
It all is a scam. I have refused x-rays for the past couple of years because of the extra EMF through my skull, and because it's a diagnostic that's more for the doctor than for me. It let's him fall back to running though a troubleshooting chart instead of relying his medical knowledge and understanding of the patient. I refuse most diagnostics for that reason, and because they find problems where there are none. Just like the COVID PCR tests that only served to keep the scamdemic alive.
Agree. I stopped going to the dentist in 2021 when they insisted on clients to wear masks while in the waiting room. I said no - I would wait outside in the car and they could call me when ready to see me. They then said that wouldn’t work as I needed to walk through the waiting room to go to the exam room. I asked if Covid was only in the corridor? They said…corporate policy…so I said corporate insanity and haven’t been back. Brush with either redmonds tooth powder or just water, and floss. I do oil pulling routinely as well. I used to have occasional issues with inflamed gums, but that is fully resolved. Was never coached about dietary changes (also true with PCP). Changed to mostly keto diet and intermittent fasting, sungazing and no sunglasses, etc. Haven’t been sick once. The sungazing and no sunglasses corrected my vision after decades of glasses. Healthy lifestyle is essentially free!
Does a bear fart in the woods? 🤔
I'm holding out for adult stem cells to grow a third set...(Japan has something)
Yes, it is. I pay $155 for a forty minute cleaning. How much does the hygenist get? Only other is electricity a little water and a very little cleaner. So this dentist makes maybe $125 per hour on this scam??
This is the genius of it. They have 8 patients at a time, maybe 15 or more all paying $200 an hour if you include things like X rays, then they pay all the staff probably like $30 an hour. So the dentists get around $80 every 5 min as they walk from room to room just saying hi and nodding their head, if they want they suggest fillings and all sorts of bullshit so you'll come back and spend thousands. The money would make you sick.
No fluoride toothpaste: https://vitaminlife.com/products/dr-bronners-all-one-toothpaste-spearmint-5-oz
With fennel drops on top of the toothpaste on the brush: https://vitaminlife.com/products/fennel-extract
Not all dentists do this scammy stuff. I was dentist shopping and ran into one of these. Ask your friends and kids teachers and find a good one. Also, good comments here on natural dentistry and ways to heal your teeth. My checkups improved enormously after I started using a waterpic every night. Wish I had started younger.
Waterpiks are amazing!! So much better than flossing. Dental hygienists are always impressed at my exams- they tell me just to keep doing what I'm doing
Get a tooth powder with hydroxyapetite. (I use “Van Mans”) — you can actually HEAL CAVITIES with this stuff.
Yes it all is. Eat real whole food and you don’t need tot go to the dentist or the doctor unless you get in some sort of accident or get an injury exercising.