He already said it is for taxpayers only. I don't think it will be in the form of regular payments either.
Universal Basic Income (UBI) is a proposal for a regular, unconditional cash payment given to all citizens, regardless of their income, employment status, or other factors.
If you had any idea what money really was, you would realize that any such a system must be purely evil, just because it is using that same system ("money" as we define it).
Here's a hint:
Money + Interest = Debt.
I mean that exactly. It is a negative sum game. It can't be different than that. Debt is slavery. That is the design, both culturally and legally. I can justify that statement if you wish, but it is pretty obvious to most people here.
While "internal taxes" enslave the "working class" through that debt system, external taxes ("Tariffs") come from someone else's debts. The Working Class of people on our country become empowered using "external revenue" dividends, that debt further enslaves the Working Class of some other country. It can't be different with our current monetary system.
I can understand the sentiment though, this is a research and discourse site, after all. It really doesn't further the conversation to just hit the "I disagree" button without the why behind the disagreement.
UBI is coming. They have to do soemthing with automation and AI coming. I'm guessing another attempt at mass genocide before it happens, but it is coming. We should all be aware and focused
UBI has nothing to do with taxes. Some of the UBI proposals do that, but the concept of UBI has nothing to do with taxes, internal or external (Tariffs).
Just trying to explain why you are getting negative reactions. UBI sounds like communism, and in fact has been supported by many on the left for this reason. I'm sure there are many forms of UBI, and some will be more reasonable than others, but I believe that's the general impression and the reason you're getting downvotes.
Fair enough. Like many other things, we have been trained to associate one thing with another even when that is not always true. It is called an association fallacy. Indeed, that fallacious thinking is one of the most useful and ubiquitous tools the Cabal uses to control the world.
I mean, is it UBI if it's money the government thought it needed, but actually didn't? It's like defining any refund you ever got from a company for services paid but not received as taxable income, it doesn't make much sense.
The numbers for each of us, if one were to work them (or ask Grok) are pathetically unexciting. This might just be a way for them to offer financial relief without many people rushing to question it.
Out of ~32 billion in debt, 9 trillion is foreign holders, the remaining being predominately directly owned by US banks, the Federal Reserve, and Social Security. The largest holder of that 9 trillion is Japan with 1.05 trillion, then China with 759 billion, and then the UK with 722 billion. So Chyna owns ~2% of the whole pot.
Somebody help a Bastard out. What does this mean in real dollars? $2000? $5000? While I appreciate getting my stolen property back, it's going to take a MUCH BIGGER amount to make a real difference.
Assuming doge.gov is accurate, approximately $223 dollars per tax payer, potentially a little more if we consider actual net taxes paid (aka not people who make around the standard deduction)
A smart move would be to refund it to the net payers, so if someone gets benefits while paying some taxes - the balance can be 0. At that point: is there anything to refund?
Then the cost of making these refunds eats massive part of it and feeds the bureaucrats.
The best and least expensive tax refund is actually a reduction of taxes, which are already to high in 90% of western countries.
Well I wish he would - I could sure use it...
Forreal. 5-10k back to Americans would do wonders. A small appreciation for all the bullshit Americans have been put through since Vietnam.
Q told us "God wins"...
knowing that, what type of monetary system would God approve of??
think that's where this is headed, anything else is smoke & mirrors to confuse.
Amen! 🙏
Universal Basic Income
Wow. Why the vitriol? That's exactly what it is.
He already said it is for taxpayers only. I don't think it will be in the form of regular payments either.
Universal Basic Income (UBI) is a proposal for a regular, unconditional cash payment given to all citizens, regardless of their income, employment status, or other factors.
Where do you think these "DOGE cuts" come from?
If you had any idea what money really was, you would realize that any such a system must be purely evil, just because it is using that same system ("money" as we define it).
Here's a hint:
Money + Interest = Debt.
I mean that exactly. It is a negative sum game. It can't be different than that. Debt is slavery. That is the design, both culturally and legally. I can justify that statement if you wish, but it is pretty obvious to most people here.
While "internal taxes" enslave the "working class" through that debt system, external taxes ("Tariffs") come from someone else's debts. The Working Class of people on our country become empowered using "external revenue" dividends, that debt further enslaves the Working Class of some other country. It can't be different with our current monetary system.
You think the President should be able to wave a magic wand and change the system 100% overnight.
I don't care who fixes the system. I care that we are working towards fixing the system.
We could be fixing the system by using an actual resource as a currency. It would require a stroke of the pen. We aren't doing that.
Why?
It's just that simple!
It is. JFK did it. He used a stroke of a pen. The Banksters killed him for it (maybe).
It's actually Constitutionally mandatory to do so. Yet it is not done.
Why?
GEOTUS
No, it's a one-time refund, totally different from the Progressive wet dream that is annual UBI.
PS It's not vitriol. It's called disagreeing.
Massive downvotes without any reasonable responses are vitriol. "Disagreement" is just giving your reasoned response in disagreement.
You got a few more downvotes than upvotes. Exaggeration.
And the definition for vitriol is "bitterly abusive expression." A downvote, Hell, 1M downvotes isn't the same as words that are bitterly abusive.
Respectfully, you would do well to adjust your sensitive-o-meter.
I can understand the sentiment though, this is a research and discourse site, after all. It really doesn't further the conversation to just hit the "I disagree" button without the why behind the disagreement.
👍👊
UBI is coming. They have to do soemthing with automation and AI coming. I'm guessing another attempt at mass genocide before it happens, but it is coming. We should all be aware and focused
adapt. overcome. educate yourself and gain new useful skills. Same as forever
It MAY be coming. We don't know for certain to what extent the white hats have kept that potential future at bay.
A refund of taxes, or a return of stolen goods, are different from subsidized government income. UBI seems like the latter.
UBI has nothing to do with taxes. Some of the UBI proposals do that, but the concept of UBI has nothing to do with taxes, internal or external (Tariffs).
Just trying to explain why you are getting negative reactions. UBI sounds like communism, and in fact has been supported by many on the left for this reason. I'm sure there are many forms of UBI, and some will be more reasonable than others, but I believe that's the general impression and the reason you're getting downvotes.
Fair enough. Like many other things, we have been trained to associate one thing with another even when that is not always true. It is called an association fallacy. Indeed, that fallacious thinking is one of the most useful and ubiquitous tools the Cabal uses to control the world.
That is why it is not UBI, correct?
I don't understand what you are asking.
I don't understand not understanding that.
Maybe if you use a quote so that I understand the context you intended.
I mean, is it UBI if it's money the government thought it needed, but actually didn't? It's like defining any refund you ever got from a company for services paid but not received as taxable income, it doesn't make much sense.
And 60% to waste? F that. Buy back the bonds and burn them.
Unless they're codified by Congress, I don't think anyone should hold their breath. Not dooming, just trying to stay levelheaded with this, folks.
Yeah... don't go buying shit because you think you're getting free gibs....
Expect to get nothing.
AND...
If you do get broken off with a lil somethin somethin, you're DEFINITELY getting taxed on it...
An old jew accountant once told me, "The government NEVER gives you anything it doesn't eventually plan to take back"
Maybe they'll bring some of that gummint cheese back ....they make damned good grilled cheese sammiches...😁😋
A DOGE tax refund sounds good to me.
https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/1933567137127543189
The numbers for each of us, if one were to work them (or ask Grok) are pathetically unexciting. This might just be a way for them to offer financial relief without many people rushing to question it.
Quit teasing us.🤭
Doesn't "China (please use PDJT pronouncement ) " own a lot of the debt ? What if our VSGPDJT said "We'll gladly pay you Tuesday "?
Out of ~32 billion in debt, 9 trillion is foreign holders, the remaining being predominately directly owned by US banks, the Federal Reserve, and Social Security. The largest holder of that 9 trillion is Japan with 1.05 trillion, then China with 759 billion, and then the UK with 722 billion. So Chyna owns ~2% of the whole pot.
Sources are St Louis FRED, and Statista.
Somebody help a Bastard out. What does this mean in real dollars? $2000? $5000? While I appreciate getting my stolen property back, it's going to take a MUCH BIGGER amount to make a real difference.
Assuming doge.gov is accurate, approximately $223 dollars per tax payer, potentially a little more if we consider actual net taxes paid (aka not people who make around the standard deduction)
If he did that then there's my well right there.
A smart move would be to refund it to the net payers, so if someone gets benefits while paying some taxes - the balance can be 0. At that point: is there anything to refund?
Then the cost of making these refunds eats massive part of it and feeds the bureaucrats.
The best and least expensive tax refund is actually a reduction of taxes, which are already to high in 90% of western countries.
Doesn't "China (please use PDJT pronouncement ) " own a lot of the debt ? What if our VSGPDJT said "We'll gladly pay you Tuesday "?