We’re wanting to talk out of differing opinions and show families friends and siblings that you can have differing opinions and still love each other. She’s a maniacal genius and she’s going to try to bury me. I’m looking for as many Pedes as I can get to audio and or video conference to listen to her and type responses to me to help red pill our listeners. She’s good. Gonna need all the help I can get.
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she wouldn't be a lib if she is a genius
You can have a lot of knowledge and be lacking in wisdom.
Too much knowledge (pride perhaps?) seems to prevent many from growing in wisdom. That's why universities are often full of arrogant fools
that used to be true but the modern day Democrat has to immediately defend
men in women's sports illegals voting in federal elections/ stealing benefits
if you aren't on the right side of either of those 2 issues you are not intelligent.
The socially engineered mind virus is to blame for much of the retardation, especially considering those two issues.
Break the spell and/or reprogram the NPCs and support for that kind of retardation will drop dramatically. In fact, just the past few years public opinion and support for those two issues has been on the decline.
Common sense is once again the populist opinion. Silver lining I say.
Especially considering that libs are so open minded that their brains have fallen out....
it’s been my experience that conservatives are far more open-minded than liberals
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Howls. You are right about this one.
Reagan had a quote about how liberal policies are based on inaccurate information rather than a lack of intelligence. "They know so much that isn't so". Lots of really smart people are just missing that one little piece. Hence the red pill... Once you open your eyes you can't go back
Exactly. I'd add that a lot of 'liberal perspectives' are based on issues other than intelligence, not just lack of information. People are complex creatures, and our background, emotional leanings etc do a lot to shape HOW we view things.
wrong. liberal perspectives are based off half truths and lies
modern liberalism is a cancer
"should men be in women's sports?" "should illegals vote in federal elections"
very easy to debate. they are fish
Right! I bet she just talks loud.
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I think you’ve taken on a nearly impossible task and I wish you well. I have come to avoid liberals as they simply don’t know how to debate. They resort to name calling and blank stares all too often and they let their emotions rule them. Stick to facts. Make yourself a notebook of the major issues with links and facts ready at hand. She may be your sister but if you are serious about this, be prepared to shut her down hard. That’s my advice.
Bravo for the effort, man. And don't listen to these doomers here. There's hope for her. My brother and I didn't talk for actual years, and it all started when I asked him which covid vaccine he got. He wouldn't tell me, and I think he even hung up.
The time came when he watched an SG Anon video that shifted his perception. He actually called me to apologize! Said he was affected by Stockholm Syndrome, and he started to get his body cleaned up with protocols and whatever. I was floored, honestly. My heart had accepted the split, even though he was my champion growing up and I really love him. People can change (thank God), and if it's family, we can make a little extra room for them to come around.
So happy your brother woke up chick! Waiting for some in our family to do the same...
100%.
And, this is exactly the sort of thing that is necessary. Evil works by inciting separate and division. I mean, it seems we (the general we) forget this all the time.
An important starting point, u/charlesufarley/ is to recognize and realize that nobody is completely wrong about everything.
Example. Many leftists became leftists after seeing the corruption of their governments, and in the US case, the corruption of the Bushes, etc, the C_A, etc. We know now that this is not an incorrect position.
When you are able to acknowledge validity in the other person's stance, it opens the door to communication. A recognition develops that you are not out simply to 'beat' them, but to genuinely grow and move forward, to expand your view.
The objective should be for both parties to expand their view. Yes, many of the leaders on the left are truly corrupt, and evil, but not everyone who follows them is like that.
If you keep the perspective that you are open to learning and recognizing new perspectives, potentially things you may not have actually considered, then ultimately, if the other person keeps a closed mind, you at least come away with benefit and an expanded (and more effective) perspective.
No one will change their minds, you will discover that basic facts are completely the opposite of what happened and will look up a source and then she will say that is not a real source and she will source main stream media… and it will be a loop of talking past each other
If your objective is to "change the other person's mind" then you have set the whole thing up for failure from the start. It's the core mechanism exploited by evil to keep people separated. It starts from an US vs Them position.
You have to have a different framework to overcome the divide and the US vs Them strategy that keeps people separated.
If genuine intention is present, then the dialog can be successful if the objective is NOT to 'change the other person's mind', but to learn, get to understand the other party's perspective, and explore whether there are any grounds of agreement. It's the things we agree on that unite us, not disagreements. And, it's important to be able to respect the disagreements, and accept them.
This is how to approach the engagement IF the intention is to, in good faith, communicate.
Question: what is the difference between a locked door and an open mind?
Answer: you can force open a locked door.
Consider Donald Trump's techniques. How does he make the deals? He focuses on the points of agreement, clarifies the disagreements, acknowledges them, but moves forward to achieve cooperation (and a deal) based on agreed positions and outcomes.
Change your viewpoint from "change the other person's mind" to "expand my view, understand their perspective FROM their perspective, and move forward".
90% of everyday disagreements derive from a fundamental misunderstanding or basic inability to see the other person's perspective, usually because you are so busy defending your own.
You are right. I tried that with my family. They will just sourced the MSM. It's like, "That's debunked."
I basically showed them what is happening with California. All the people are leaving the state because of the politics and taxes. It's almost a light bulb for them now. Some of the people moving away they know so they were like, "Even that one moved away? Oh where?"
We still love each other because I don't focused on the fact that they tried to force me to take the vax. I just told them I am not doing it. You can do it if you want but not me.
i think that fake news isnt merely fake, but its cleverly written to be seen in different ways by different people.
then when people talk about the news, they argue, because both sides took the rage bait in a psyop
and they argue about nothing
Same screen, different movie
They've studied human psychology, physiology, and any other thing they thought would give them more control and power over us. It worked so well that we were nearly destroyed as a human race. Knowledge is power, and the Light shines everywhere now.
This isn't gonna end well. But good luck.
Insert meme: liberals willfully ignore facts & logic to defend their positions.
OK fren! But you need to be more specific.
Watch a ton of Thomas Sowell clips to stay high level
"show families friends and siblings that you can have differing opinions and still love each other. She’s a maniacal genius and she’s going to try to bury me"
Don't do this to yourself or the rest of your family. She's going to portray you as a nazi and shit. I don't associate with liberals at all, I'm just lucky most of my close family died prior to covid.
I don't think this is a good idea.
Not because liberal talking points are true
But liberal talking points have the entire infrastructure of mainstream media as well as AI engines and Wikipedia.
The only thing that dismantles their arguments is common sense However, liberals haven't grown out of high school or college even decades later so to them common sense isn't legitimate because it doesn't have bibliographies and receipts
Ask her if she supports the war,considering how they treat women in Iran.
If your sister has balls I think we need to have a talk.
Can you choose the topics or does she have full right of refusal/censorship? If you have a say on topics, here's a couple recommendations for redpill opportunities:
If "my body my choice" is a lib battle cry, why were the CV vaxxxes mandated and forced?
If the CV vaxxx worked, how do recipients still get CV?
How did the "most popular prez" in history get "81M" votes and subsequently kicked off the re-election ticket?
Can celebs have walls and gates around their property for protection? If so, why not border states?
Would you be OK with a person born a man stood with you in the changing room when you were trying on new clothes to purchase at your favorite store? How about in a locker room at, say, a college swim team?
IMO, these are slow-pitch easy winners. See how these topics go, how she counters your position, then start tossing in some fast balls.
I feel like one of the main pillars of liberalism is contradiction but most liberals aren't bright enough to realize it. Pay attention to what she says and if you can call out contradiction, do so. You may be able to trip her up.
One good example is the "violent inssurection" on J6, compared to CHAZ in Seattle and the LA riots last year. You can't be against what you think happened on J6 but support the actual burning, destruction and anarchy that occured at the hands of blue-run cities.
Does she think Trump is somehow guilty for not releasing "the files" fast enough? That's nice. Epstein was arrested in 2019. Why didn't libs care for the 4 years Biden was president?
Don't agree with spending money on military operations in Iran or Venezuela? She should feel the same way about Ukraine then right? Way more money went over there.
People don't need an ID to vote? Well vax passports almost happened, any outrage over that?
There are plenty of examples to go around!
Focus on her argumentation. I find liberals, especially liberal women, tend to appeal to emotion or ad hominem regularly rather than focusing on a reasoned argument. If she does lean on illogical foundations, point out how her argument is flawed and the counter it with facts and reason.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ in my 20s and early 30s, this site helped me refine my argumentation and reasoning. I do my best to not commit these whenever I can.
It's hard to be good at debate when you don't have a foundation to stand on.
A maniac and a genius? Oh dear..... has she a good command of Pilpul?
They will just sourced the MSM. It's like, "That's debunked."
I basically showed my family members what is happening with California. All the people are leaving the state because of the politics and taxes. It's almost a light bulb for them now. Some of the people moving away they know so they were like, "Even that one moved away? Oh where?"
I also showed them the fact that the illegals were pushing the people out of the state of California (because they asked)? I used to have to argue with them about illegals. They were all supportive of the illegals. Now, they heard about people moving away from California due to that. That is just one of the point I showed them.
We still love each other because I don't focused on the fact that they tried to force me to take the vax. I just told them I am not doing it. You can do it if you want but not me.
I don't try to beat them over the head because of that. We forgive and move on.
As long as she doesn't have balls.
Listen to a lot of Stephen Miller and the presidents press secretary. They are loaded with facts and good answers for the fake media reporters
Stay out of the weeds. Don't argue details.
Be firmly planted on the bedrock. Argue the underlying common sense and logic.
Good luck. 🤓
I posted once that I wanted to start a substack not realizing it was a money making platform. I thought it was just a place to write stuff that people would read. I had no idea it was for profit. And I got Banned. I had to beg and plead a year later to have my account reinstated. Now here is someone posting about starting a podcast and they get stickied. Why the favoratism? I really don't care. Let. people post what they want i just don't get why I was blacklisted while others get praised for doing the very thing that got me banned. Hope your Podcast is entertaining fren. Send the link when you get it started. I personally love supporting people that work hard on a passion, especially if it is for patriotic righteous reasons.
💥💥💥Why waste mine time your an idiot! It’s like This is a classic saying often attributed to George Bernard Shaw: "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it." It means you should not engage in futile arguments or power struggles with difficult people, as it wastes your time and energy while they thrive on the drama.💥💥💥💥🇺🇸
The only way I’ve had any breakthrough with libs is to mirror their thought process. For example, if their motive is to prevent some kind of human suffering (emotional angle) counter them with the emotional suffering consequence of their position.
For example— illegals immigrants have nowhere left to go, these people are suffering, blah blah. Okay, well what about the people in their home countries? And adjacent issue— what about brain drain? How is that benefitting these peoples’ cultures and countries? If we accommodate a bandaid solution, we are kicking the can down the road (which is what’s been happening) instead of encouraging better global policy to where those immigrants shouldn’t NEED to leave their countries and illegally enter ours. Sloppy examples but you get the idea.
(So many problems now are the consequence of America being a little codependent enabler.)
But yeah, if you use emotional language and viewpoints, that is their lingua franca, if you will. Even the ones who pretend to be all facts and science-y are still fully motivated by emotional charge. They can’t understand the philosophical viewpoint that human suffering is inevitable, and something we need to accept to a degree. Pointing out how their viewpoints can “hurt other peoples’ feelings” will really put them in buffering mode because they’ve come to associate only right wing people with hurting others’ feelings. It will be an, “oh shit, am I the villain in my own story?” moment.
This might be a good reminder & place to start... "One plus three is tacos." https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe_clean
I recommend Charlie Kirk debate her.
And we saw how they handled that.
I’m interested in checking it out
If you don't already have a job and career set up, this is a fool's errand.