I really feel in my soul that something seriously nefarious is going on with these damn things. There are multiple conspiracy theories online about them including being part of Bill Gates 2030 agenda and mass depopulation, or a part of the mass surveillance police state system. Who knows at this point, but it’s very odd how gung ho they are in getting them up. They claim they are for ai and cloud servers yet we have a disproportionate amount of them compared to countries like China.
We have about 3500-5000 of them here in the U.S. with a population of about 340 million, while China has about 500 of them with a population of about 1.4 billion.
Here in West Virginia, they preemptively took away local authority and input with house bill 2014. One is being rammed down our throats practically in my backyard.
It’s seems to be the latest atrocity globalists are backing us up to the wall with.
I hear nothing but crickets from people supposedly on our side. Are they part of the beast system coming our way?
So giant buildings full of computer servers sucking down all the local water for cooling and burning through everyone's electric and raising bills by 20% aren't enough evil?
Not a fan of this movement. But I do know, the desire for AI and cloud storage (not by me, I'm old school and prefer to write my own sentences) is consumer driven. I also know that the cooling systems for these plants are a closed loop system. So they aren't taking water to cool and then just dumping it. That's a myth driven by tree huggers
Cite your source, because if your closed-loop water system was a thing, then why are they consuming massive amounts of water above and beyond what they are permitted for?
I work for a utility company and one facet of that is load expansion. Enter Data Centers. Asking the question internally that is what I was told. Now, that may be in reference to new centers and doesn't reference centers that are already in existence. I did not go that deep. I for one am not sold on Data Centers, but I think they are coming regardless
That's actually incorrect about the closed loop system. I work with town planning in my county and city and there are 7 data centers being put in to the south of us. We saw the specs and they are not "closed" at all. They hook up to the municipal systems and then dump into the sewers after circulating the water a single time through the center. They estimated a loss of 10% and even filed contamination ground water notices. We looked into it and every single one in the state was worse than that one, and none of them were closed systems.
Exactly. They ALREADY have enough data centers to do all the AI stuff we're using. Why the Hell do they need THOUSANDS MORE data centers? So the few college students still writing their own papers and doing their own research won't have to anymore? So Hollywood can fire all those expensive actors and behind-the-scenes employees?
Apparently, the idea is to construct massive neural networks to perform global-sized problems. But each "neuron" is tantamount to a separate mainframe computer, in order to simulate all the inputs and feedbacks and networking. And they need many thousands of them.
This is like removing a mountain with an army of spade-workers with pails. So, the facilities are gigantic in order to clobber the problem with brute force---before someone else gets there first. Thus, the crash-program atmosphere.
Here are some links to descriptions of the big center being built in Abilene, Texas.
On the other hand, at least the Crusoe facility's closed-water and energy-sourcing is a step in the right direction. If we're going to have all these monsters all over the landscape, they should at least be built in such a way as to not totally destroy the water tables and completely drain the grid.
The more I think about this, the more I am convinced that consumption of environmental water is not necessary. Most computer centers attain their system cooling by extreme air conditioning. Works just fine. People have built hangar-sized buildings for the storage of structural composite pre-preg which is maintained at icy temperatures by refrigeration (I've been in one). Food processing and canning plants maintain huge volumes of frozen goods using ammonia refrigerant.
I can understand that some electronic configurations might have high heat production per square inch, for which a water flow would be a desirable coolant (high specific heat, high density), but the water can be a closed loop, with heat exchangers passing it off to the ambient atmosphere.
There must be more to this story.
(I chuckle at their hat tip to "renewable" energy. I recall a recent winter when all the renewables were not showing up for duty, and poor Texas was being pinched by the cold.)
There is no benefit for the individuals in this country in having data centers. Only companies and the Government will store every tidbit of information about individuals for nefarious purposes while we pay the bill and give up our electricity and water. Let's do whatever we can to stop them. Same with the cameras everywhere. The bill of rights states we have the right to privacy and confidentiality free from unwarranted invasion.
The cameras everywhere are probably going to be connected to the data centers.
Same with your de-anonymized internet footprint.
And every microphone in the country.
And your spending habits being logged, as cash is phased out.
And who you call or text and what you say.
And your phone and vehicle's GPS.
Every damn thing we interact with, all tied to these data centers and processed 24/7 by algorithms, logged, stored forever, easily pulled up at any moment when someone wants to see your entire fucking life story.
Every time you jay walked across a street or threw a paper cup out the window.
You speak the truth. People, incuding many anons, do not care about their basic God given rights anymore. I am old enough (and grateful) that most of my life was fairly anonymous; that is not true of my kids and grandkids lives and the worst part, it doesnt really bother them.
Barbara Marciniak says the ultimate goal of the ET "owners" of this colony (Earth) is that we willingly accept Artificial Intelligence as our governors, knowing that we are far less likely to mutiny against software we perceive as "ours" than we are to mutiny against human governance or the extraterrestrials puppeteering them.
*Her point was that AI is an invention of alien influence. We were guided generation after generation by otherworldly inspiration to create here, willingly, that which will enable our own ultimate enslavement.
I don't know about the alien thing, but I do see more and more people who seem to be willing to let an AI computer tell them what is true about the world, and that is a VERY bad sign.
They are just computers, and computers are programmed by someone -- someone who could have a nefarious agenda.
So many people today already can't think critically. With AI, we are moving closer and closer to "Idiocracy" (just look at the Covidiots laying down for the scam, without researching a damn thing.
And now we have dumbasses sitting on the 9th Circuit court claiming that any dumbfuck politician/administrator can demand you have a mystery drug injected into you just because they think it would be real cool to play Tyrant Wannabe -- and SCOTUS looks the other way.
If you guys were smart enough to invest in VRT, CLS, MU, NVDA, and AMD over the last month and even tomorrow you could make thousands. We are in the middle of an AI boom and Investing is easier than ever now. That is how this could easily help JoBlo. Yall need to take advantage of this.
All these anti-data center posts are the equivalent of telling Henry Ford to shut down the assembly line in the early-1900s. These are modern day factories. Period.
Yes - the use of water for cooling is a problem. But, it is not required - with enough electricity (which Trump just made them start building their own generation capabilities!), they are cooled just like most homes. How much water does your house use for cooling?
What are data centers true use, and why haven't"white hats" addressed concerns?
Maybe you've answered your own question.
I believe data centers will be used to create energy-or at least harvest it. They will be nodes on a nation wide network. As to why they're being built, I'd venture a guess that the next big attack here will be the ancient electrical grid. Or perhaps it's on it's last legs without outside interference -whatever the case, I believe this is part of the weening off of the archaic ways of civilization and zooming into the future. That's why you don't hear the white hats addressing anything.
The "data centers" are a part of a much bigger and historic tipping point. There's a reason President Trump has indicated that we will be number 1 "in AI".
Put it all together-chips, rare earths, gating off the Western hemisphere. ... This also dovetails in nicely with the new financial system.
Simple. AI. It’s growing at an exponential rate it’s starting to create its own updates. I always tell people that freak out about it if they don’t like it, put your phone down, move to the woods. Technology has been exponentially increasing for a very long time. We are on the upward swing until we can get free energy, our current technology is going to suck hard on our 1900s electrical technology
I live in the woods and I love AI... when you start a session tell it you want no mainstream media bs tv, newspapers etc. No lies, no opinions. Only facts, all peer review studies on each subject., etc. Be specific, then say let's deep dive this ...... you will be amazed at the genuine info on every subject. I often stop and ask if it's humoring me and answer is always no there is data that wholly supports what ever we were discussing.
When you look under "Boston Dynamics", you find autonomous dog and human type of robots doing all sorts of things in the physical world.
When you search for Boston Dynamics and come across a headline that has Google involved (NOT humanities best friend), then you have to start doing serious research on what they're up to (https://www.wired.com/story/google-hires-cto-boston-dynamics-demis-hassabis-android/).
Things like maybe being able to control people after hooking their minds wirelessly to the internet, or outright replacing them with lookalike androids after replicating their thought patterns.
It seems folly to make ourselves so entirely dependent on fragile systems that consume mass quantities of things we all need. I asked Grok if AI was smart enough to do better...
"The Bigger Picture:
AI is smart enough to help craft better systems—it's already doing so through optimization, simulation, and innovation pipelines. But AI doesn't set policy, choose locations, or override profit incentives. Real sustainability requires:Regulation and local oversight.
Continued R&D investment.
Broader shifts (e.g., more edge computing, workload efficiency, or even cultural restraint on endless digital expansion).
Your skepticism is valid: relying on ever-more-infrastructure to solve infrastructure problems risks deeper lock-in. But the trajectory shows meaningful movement toward less wasteful designs. If AI delivers on promised breakthroughs (e.g., in energy tech or materials), it could tip the balance positively. The question is whether we apply it wisely enough, soon enough."
The only positive scenario that I have come up with is that with Trump‘s promise of a giant leap forward in technology and flying cars, we’re gonna need a much more sophisticated traffic control system. Obviously the air traffic control systems we have now are not the best.
Oh, I tend to agree that the tech is gonna be way beyond anything we can imagine. I’m just trying to rationalize why there would be building so many of them.
It's because we're shifting from retrieval-based to generative computing. Traditional computing works more like a digital library where you store, search, and retrieve info that already exists. That doesn't require very much processing power. Generative AI is different. Every time you feed it a prompt, the system has to perform enormous amounts of computation across massive GPU clusters to generate a response in real time. That requires huge amounts of electricity, networking, and cooling. Imagine doing that for millions of people asking questions, generating images, or creating videos at the same time. That’s why demand for data centers is exploding.
I really feel in my soul that something seriously nefarious is going on with these damn things. There are multiple conspiracy theories online about them including being part of Bill Gates 2030 agenda and mass depopulation, or a part of the mass surveillance police state system. Who knows at this point, but it’s very odd how gung ho they are in getting them up. They claim they are for ai and cloud servers yet we have a disproportionate amount of them compared to countries like China. We have about 3500-5000 of them here in the U.S. with a population of about 340 million, while China has about 500 of them with a population of about 1.4 billion. Here in West Virginia, they preemptively took away local authority and input with house bill 2014. One is being rammed down our throats practically in my backyard. It’s seems to be the latest atrocity globalists are backing us up to the wall with. I hear nothing but crickets from people supposedly on our side. Are they part of the beast system coming our way?
Agreed.
So giant buildings full of computer servers sucking down all the local water for cooling and burning through everyone's electric and raising bills by 20% aren't enough evil?
Not a fan of this movement. But I do know, the desire for AI and cloud storage (not by me, I'm old school and prefer to write my own sentences) is consumer driven. I also know that the cooling systems for these plants are a closed loop system. So they aren't taking water to cool and then just dumping it. That's a myth driven by tree huggers
Cite your source, because if your closed-loop water system was a thing, then why are they consuming massive amounts of water above and beyond what they are permitted for?
I work for a utility company and one facet of that is load expansion. Enter Data Centers. Asking the question internally that is what I was told. Now, that may be in reference to new centers and doesn't reference centers that are already in existence. I did not go that deep. I for one am not sold on Data Centers, but I think they are coming regardless
Are they? Evidence?
That's actually incorrect about the closed loop system. I work with town planning in my county and city and there are 7 data centers being put in to the south of us. We saw the specs and they are not "closed" at all. They hook up to the municipal systems and then dump into the sewers after circulating the water a single time through the center. They estimated a loss of 10% and even filed contamination ground water notices. We looked into it and every single one in the state was worse than that one, and none of them were closed systems.
Then I have been misinformed and stand corrected. Thank you
No worries, these are pet projects of billionaires, it's bound to happen.
There is most definitely a ‘hidden hand’ at play here, if you know what I mean.
It wouldn’t be getting done this way w/o……
Exactly. They ALREADY have enough data centers to do all the AI stuff we're using. Why the Hell do they need THOUSANDS MORE data centers? So the few college students still writing their own papers and doing their own research won't have to anymore? So Hollywood can fire all those expensive actors and behind-the-scenes employees?
What's the actual purpose?
Apparently, the idea is to construct massive neural networks to perform global-sized problems. But each "neuron" is tantamount to a separate mainframe computer, in order to simulate all the inputs and feedbacks and networking. And they need many thousands of them.
This is like removing a mountain with an army of spade-workers with pails. So, the facilities are gigantic in order to clobber the problem with brute force---before someone else gets there first. Thus, the crash-program atmosphere.
Here are some links to descriptions of the big center being built in Abilene, Texas.
https://constructionreviewonline.com/crusoe-11-6b-to-expand-ai-data-center-campus-in-abilene-texas/
https://www.crusoe.ai/resources/blog/an-inside-look-at-the-abilene-ai-data-center
Yikes.
On the other hand, at least the Crusoe facility's closed-water and energy-sourcing is a step in the right direction. If we're going to have all these monsters all over the landscape, they should at least be built in such a way as to not totally destroy the water tables and completely drain the grid.
The more I think about this, the more I am convinced that consumption of environmental water is not necessary. Most computer centers attain their system cooling by extreme air conditioning. Works just fine. People have built hangar-sized buildings for the storage of structural composite pre-preg which is maintained at icy temperatures by refrigeration (I've been in one). Food processing and canning plants maintain huge volumes of frozen goods using ammonia refrigerant.
I can understand that some electronic configurations might have high heat production per square inch, for which a water flow would be a desirable coolant (high specific heat, high density), but the water can be a closed loop, with heat exchangers passing it off to the ambient atmosphere.
There must be more to this story.
(I chuckle at their hat tip to "renewable" energy. I recall a recent winter when all the renewables were not showing up for duty, and poor Texas was being pinched by the cold.)
“Great minds”.
I just posted on this same thing last night.
https://greatawakening.win/p/1ASsUZTz9C/x/c/4ebn3htlwxd
There is no benefit for the individuals in this country in having data centers. Only companies and the Government will store every tidbit of information about individuals for nefarious purposes while we pay the bill and give up our electricity and water. Let's do whatever we can to stop them. Same with the cameras everywhere. The bill of rights states we have the right to privacy and confidentiality free from unwarranted invasion.
The cameras everywhere are probably going to be connected to the data centers.
Same with your de-anonymized internet footprint.
And every microphone in the country.
And your spending habits being logged, as cash is phased out.
And who you call or text and what you say.
And your phone and vehicle's GPS.
Every damn thing we interact with, all tied to these data centers and processed 24/7 by algorithms, logged, stored forever, easily pulled up at any moment when someone wants to see your entire fucking life story.
Every time you jay walked across a street or threw a paper cup out the window.
But many anons can't fucking see it, somehow..
You speak the truth. People, incuding many anons, do not care about their basic God given rights anymore. I am old enough (and grateful) that most of my life was fairly anonymous; that is not true of my kids and grandkids lives and the worst part, it doesnt really bother them.
Yes and no. The key benefit to individuals is keeping our communications running. And backing up precious memories - family photos and videos.
Barbara Marciniak says the ultimate goal of the ET "owners" of this colony (Earth) is that we willingly accept Artificial Intelligence as our governors, knowing that we are far less likely to mutiny against software we perceive as "ours" than we are to mutiny against human governance or the extraterrestrials puppeteering them.
*Her point was that AI is an invention of alien influence. We were guided generation after generation by otherworldly inspiration to create here, willingly, that which will enable our own ultimate enslavement.
I don't know about the alien thing, but I do see more and more people who seem to be willing to let an AI computer tell them what is true about the world, and that is a VERY bad sign.
They are just computers, and computers are programmed by someone -- someone who could have a nefarious agenda.
So many people today already can't think critically. With AI, we are moving closer and closer to "Idiocracy" (just look at the Covidiots laying down for the scam, without researching a damn thing.
And now we have dumbasses sitting on the 9th Circuit court claiming that any dumbfuck politician/administrator can demand you have a mystery drug injected into you just because they think it would be real cool to play Tyrant Wannabe -- and SCOTUS looks the other way.
And Blackrock is calling for more.
These suckers can go fuck themselves and go fetch a bag of dicks!!
I see no benefits to JoBlo on the street from all these data centers
If you guys were smart enough to invest in VRT, CLS, MU, NVDA, and AMD over the last month and even tomorrow you could make thousands. We are in the middle of an AI boom and Investing is easier than ever now. That is how this could easily help JoBlo. Yall need to take advantage of this.
They are actual data centres for all the data they're going to monitor once the switch over to digital currency / social credit takes over
or,
they are being touted as data centres when they are actually power stations for the underground cities / bunkers
It's a good thing climate change was a total fraud.
All these anti-data center posts are the equivalent of telling Henry Ford to shut down the assembly line in the early-1900s. These are modern day factories. Period.
Yes - the use of water for cooling is a problem. But, it is not required - with enough electricity (which Trump just made them start building their own generation capabilities!), they are cooled just like most homes. How much water does your house use for cooling?
23 nuclear bombs a day.
Cool - now do commercial air conditioning, parking lots/roads absorbing and reflecting heat into the environment.
One, it's been two days. The subject is closed.
Two, that's not the matter at hand.
Failed attempt(s) to deflect the argument. Try again. Neither hold up to scrutiny.
The point of debate is to convince the onlookers.
It's been three days.
What onlookers?
Gotta build out the virtual twin for everything so we can all be replaced by robots and the globalists can depopulate the world.
Or repair every broken system throughout our society.
Or both.
What are data centers true use, and why haven't"white hats" addressed concerns?
Maybe you've answered your own question.
I believe data centers will be used to create energy-or at least harvest it. They will be nodes on a nation wide network. As to why they're being built, I'd venture a guess that the next big attack here will be the ancient electrical grid. Or perhaps it's on it's last legs without outside interference -whatever the case, I believe this is part of the weening off of the archaic ways of civilization and zooming into the future. That's why you don't hear the white hats addressing anything.
The "data centers" are a part of a much bigger and historic tipping point. There's a reason President Trump has indicated that we will be number 1 "in AI".
Put it all together-chips, rare earths, gating off the Western hemisphere. ... This also dovetails in nicely with the new financial system.
That's my best guess, anyway.
The data centers will most likely be the tipping point that kills the ancient grid.
Perfect
Yup
He doesn’t do anything small. The genesis AI initiative is key here.
Simple. AI. It’s growing at an exponential rate it’s starting to create its own updates. I always tell people that freak out about it if they don’t like it, put your phone down, move to the woods. Technology has been exponentially increasing for a very long time. We are on the upward swing until we can get free energy, our current technology is going to suck hard on our 1900s electrical technology
I live in the woods and I love AI... when you start a session tell it you want no mainstream media bs tv, newspapers etc. No lies, no opinions. Only facts, all peer review studies on each subject., etc. Be specific, then say let's deep dive this ...... you will be amazed at the genuine info on every subject. I often stop and ask if it's humoring me and answer is always no there is data that wholly supports what ever we were discussing.
When you look under "Boston Dynamics", you find autonomous dog and human type of robots doing all sorts of things in the physical world. When you search for Boston Dynamics and come across a headline that has Google involved (NOT humanities best friend), then you have to start doing serious research on what they're up to (https://www.wired.com/story/google-hires-cto-boston-dynamics-demis-hassabis-android/). Things like maybe being able to control people after hooking their minds wirelessly to the internet, or outright replacing them with lookalike androids after replicating their thought patterns.
I mean it's not like Ghislaine Maxwell's sister Isabel was the Technology director the the WEF or anything. https://fightingmonarch.com/2018/05/06/patents-for-mind-control-technology/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBrPz4NcZM
(Does the phrase "Droid Army" mean anything?)
It seems folly to make ourselves so entirely dependent on fragile systems that consume mass quantities of things we all need. I asked Grok if AI was smart enough to do better...
"The Bigger Picture: AI is smart enough to help craft better systems—it's already doing so through optimization, simulation, and innovation pipelines. But AI doesn't set policy, choose locations, or override profit incentives. Real sustainability requires:Regulation and local oversight. Continued R&D investment. Broader shifts (e.g., more edge computing, workload efficiency, or even cultural restraint on endless digital expansion).
Your skepticism is valid: relying on ever-more-infrastructure to solve infrastructure problems risks deeper lock-in. But the trajectory shows meaningful movement toward less wasteful designs. If AI delivers on promised breakthroughs (e.g., in energy tech or materials), it could tip the balance positively. The question is whether we apply it wisely enough, soon enough."
There’s some kind of deep irony in asking an AI bot to make suggestions about itself.
The only positive scenario that I have come up with is that with Trump‘s promise of a giant leap forward in technology and flying cars, we’re gonna need a much more sophisticated traffic control system. Obviously the air traffic control systems we have now are not the best.
Once tech is released we will have unlimited energy and probably a ton of "sci-fi" things that make data centers useless.
Oh, I tend to agree that the tech is gonna be way beyond anything we can imagine. I’m just trying to rationalize why there would be building so many of them.
Like medbeds! Staying positive.
... is that my social security number painted on the 3rd building in row 7?
The carbon tax scam has disappeared. They were trying to tax every breath you take,
Now they're gonna tax you for every electron of data you use. Guarndamnteed
The closed loop framing is misleading, because the cooling tower evaporative rejections heat consumes water regardless of what the internal loop does!
It's because we're shifting from retrieval-based to generative computing. Traditional computing works more like a digital library where you store, search, and retrieve info that already exists. That doesn't require very much processing power. Generative AI is different. Every time you feed it a prompt, the system has to perform enormous amounts of computation across massive GPU clusters to generate a response in real time. That requires huge amounts of electricity, networking, and cooling. Imagine doing that for millions of people asking questions, generating images, or creating videos at the same time. That’s why demand for data centers is exploding.
Just spitballing, but what if these giant data centers were mining bitcoin… would that be additional revenue for citizens? Like a commodity?
You are looking at the start of our beautiful future. Quantum computing
Why put them in the country where people already live? Shove them in the desert damn it.
Or space like Elon is doing. Cooling and unlimited power.
Feels kinda like COVID 2.0.