Shills (and the ignorant) will say "bullets do funny things when they hit bone" to explain the lack of an exit wound.
That is TRUE!
BUT the debate we should be having is NOT really about an exit wound. It's about ENERGY.
In certain situations an exit wound is very much preferable because it means the bullet did not dump all its energy INSIDE the Target.
To stop the bullet, a lot of tissue needs to absorb a TON of energy. Literally. 30-06 still has ~2000 ft pounds of energy at 150 yards.
Being surrounded by stupid people shills that don't (want to) understand this, and other objective things, is demoralizing... and therein lies the real power of a shill.
"To stop the bullet, a lot of tissue needs to absorb a TON of energy"
That's just it, Gel is not Tissue. Watch hunting videos. Watch cartel executions. There's plenty of gore websites. Ballistic gel is not the same regardless of how much you try to make it look human.
And if the cartridge had a deficient powder loading, the energy would be much reduced. This is called a dud round and they happen. Firearms training generally includes instruction on how to cope with one. A low powder charge could easily reduce the muzzle velocity to be comparable to a pistol cartridge, thus lowering an attempted head shot to be a neck shot.
I agree that it is onerous to be surrounded by shills.
At 100 yds a 30-06 will punch holes through deer necks, shoulders, and spines. Ain't no way CK was hit in the neck with any kind of 30-06 rd, not even those elusive frangible munitions because JT is correct. The force at that distance would still illustrate far greater trauma than what the official narrative suggests.
Thank you. Exactly.
The irony is that a 30-06 bullet at that range would be FAR MORE "survivable" (relatively speaking) if it went clean through and thus dumped most of its energy somewhere else other than the neck.
I stopped watching Josh Reid & AlphaWarrior due to both of them swearing up and down CK was shot with a 30-06 some time ago now.
Edit: and the two of them were down talking anyone who said he wasn't shot. That's what bothered me most, there's lot's of different takes in this thing that's going on but don't talk shit about other people that have different opinions.
There has been an absurd amount of varying narratives around this shooting.
A lavalier type mic, chorded or wireless - would be clipped on generally, and need no adjustment of this sort - required to unclip before reclipping...
Its possible a magnet was used... but unlikely, especially given the weight of such a huge "wire"
is that a wire? Its as thick as the chorded microphone he uses in his hand, which is a MUCH thicker wire type than a typical LANOLIER (on or under the shirt pinned to the collar often for better backup sound) Generally these microphones are very tiny, meant to be inconspicuous, and the wires are as small as a cheap cell phone charger. Or THINNER.
They also want those microphones as close to your collar as possible. For best pickup, not over on the chest.
A thick hose under his shirt would be necessary for a BLOOD SQUIB, though.
Pretty much what I think. He was either actually killed by an explosive in his lapel/mic or WH knew of this operation by Israeli assets and TPUSA insiders and staged an event to put him in witness protection.
My Dad was a police officer no organization worth a damn would trust some scrawny 21 year old with a hit job of that high caliber. And nothing about the investigation makes sense. The average gangbanger shooting has better investigations than this. Why is George Zinn NOT being questioned for example?
As far as Erika goes I think she betrayed Charlie her behavior is genuinely bizarre. I am open to the slim possibility that Erika knows and is just the worst actress of all time. But everything about her and her families past and being caught lying about previous boyfriends has me thinking otherwise.
My delusional hope is that Charlie is alive and becomes the next President when all is said and done.
The type and make was identified. I didn't happen to memorize the details. Nothing "alleged" about material evidence. The relevant implication is that a microphone bomb is an "exploded" theory (to be clever about it). Time to move on.
Depends entirely on the projectile. FMJ will punch a hole, gnarly hollow point or ballistic tip will make a mess. Standard NATO rounds are "ball' (FMJ) ammo..
Was there someone behind Charlie that might have been hit with the bullet? Or did it ricochet off into never never land? Why did they clean the area so quickly and efficiently? Plus Charlie should have bled out a LOT of blood, but i only saw a "non bloody " entry wound. So.ething smell off with the official story.
Exactly. If FMJ, then where did the bullet go after leaving Charlie's neck? I didn't see any indication of a bullet striking something behind him. Anyone else?
But really, even if a 30.06 hunting bullet hit Charlie's spine instead of just soft tissue, it would have barely slowed down, and the damage would have been extreme and instantly obvious.
I don't know what DID happen, but I don't think I'm ever going to buy the story that someone used a 30.06 to kill Charlie.
Depends entirely on the projectile.
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gnarly hollow point or ballistic tip will make a mess.
Frangible round. Ball round. 150 grain. 180 grain. Etc etc...
All irrelevant (to my point specifically) and here's why: I'm talking about the ENERGY OF THE BULLET.
If a bullet passes through the target, then it deposits that energy somewhere else.
Look it up. That's (perhaps counterintuitively) the best case scenario when getting shot. I'll explain why.
If the bullet "stays inside" the target, that's really really bad because it means that energy has to go somewhere, vis INSIDE the target.
Energy isn't everything, ballistics are different with every projectile. I hunted with high powered rounds of many calibres for over 50 years, reloaded precision rounds and calculated ballistics for over 35. "Ball ammo" will just pass thru soft tissue. I've never seen a 30-06 "stay inside -have killed dozens of large critters.
Ball ammo" will just pass thru soft tissue. I've never seen a 30-06 "stay inside -have killed dozens of large critters.
Yes, but what I'm trying to explain to others is that IF/WHEN such a high-powered bullet stays in the target, it by necessity must dump all of its energy in said target in order to do so.
IF it passes clean through then the energy is much less of a factor because that energy gets dumped elsewhere, outside the target.
Projectile energy becomes extremely relevant when the projectile does NOT pass through the target.
If you have a stomach to see it, there are some major examples of both small and terrible exit wounds on ddg with search safe off under “huge 30-06 exit wound”.
The worst examples are people, so “caveat emptor”.
A 30-06 can leave virtually no hole, or literally blow the entire head off, depending exactly on what u/JohnTitor17 said - it’s about where the energy ends up being deposited.
Having shot a lot of ball ammo and known several people with ball ammo scars, it rarely drills a clean exit hole after hitting anything hard following by anything but air.
BTW - I was never in the military, but family members have been and a number of people I've met over the years have the scars to prove their service.
They don't happen "all the time" i've seen a handful across several years of uspsa matches weekly, including state and area matches. I've shot the barrels lot of several blocks and several sets of gas runs and barrels in AR's. I've shot more rounds than most ever will at 30k 9mm a year for several years.
A $1500 Dillon press has a low powder alarm. Automated machines have many more failsafes. It happens, but not often.
Tire blowouts don't happen "all the time" either, but you would be ridiculous to insist they don't happen. Certainly not often enough to warrant having a spare tire and knowledge of how to change it. One man's experience is not the world.
Refer to my answer below to 336HoursToGo and the link to an exposition on dud rounds. Read and learn. Dud rounds happen despite all the measures taken to prevent them. "Not often" means "it happens." (People here have the thoroughly mistaken idea that "improbable" means "impossible.")
The bullet fragments were identified to be identical with a known production .30-'06 round. That's also what the rifle was chambered for. So, yeah, that's what it was.
For starters, you're the one that said they happen "all the time." They don't.
Secondly, squibs block barrels and often result in catastrophic failures with the subsequent attempt if not caught, which retard surely didn't have the ability to rectify with his screwdriver.
Third, .30 caliber(7.62) projectiles are used in so many cartridges its not funny. .300blk, .308, .30-06, 7.62x39, x54, 7.62 nato, a billion different 300 magnum cartridges.
That twink didn't tote a nearly 4 foot long, 9 pound mauser to a roof concealed, or disassemble it and reassemble it.
A 147g ball round from a 30-06 carries 19-24" of penetration depth. That increases to north of 30" with heavier rounds such as a 180 due to the increased mass the tissue has to deceleration.
30 06 is devastating to bone and tissue and Charlie's neck wasn't of sufficient size to even contain the temporary wound channel of the hydraulic displacement that north of two thousand footpounds of energy dump would cause. He didn't possess enough spine to stop said round at anything remotely close to typical muzzle velocity.
I don't give a flying fuck what "they" said it was, it wasn't a 30.06 and everybody who has ever shot anything with one knows it wasn't.
They don't have to convince us, only others like you who will swallow and regurgitate whatever slop they peddle.
Of course they happen "all the time". In a nation of 350 million people, how many times a year do you suppose it happens, to be something that is always mentioned in firearms training, and made the example of safety consideration? Just as blown tires happen "all the time." Not to each of us, weeky; that would be an absurd reading. But often enough that they are a fact of life. All you are trying to do is claim that something which is rare is actually impossible. That would not be accepted as an argument in 3rd grade.
And I'm not talking about squibs, which are at the bottom end of the spectrum.
There was no mystery about identification of the kind of cartridge. I have read that the fragments were identified as to manufacturer and type. It was a soft-nose, core-locked construction. This was examined by a forensic ballistician. You are not in that category.
You are not clairvoyant and cannot prove he didn't do anything. They have photo evidence that he was on the scene and acting.
Again, you are avoiding the possibility of a reduced powder load that could have lowered the muzzle velocity by a factor of two, making it more like a pistol bullet in resulting momentum. The obvious fact of the whole scenario is that the bullet that hit Charlie did not have 2000 foot-pounds of energy.
I've shot .30-'06 in a Garand M1. Stout recoil. Full powder load, however. I was also a member of the International Wound Ballistics Association (IWBA), which was formed to dispel the nonsense that was appearing in public discussion about wound ballistics.
Apparently you are unconvincible, when confronted with an explanation that explains the effects of the scenario.
"Soft nosed core locked" means dick as to which type of cartridge. Soft point bonded bullets are available for literally every caliber that uses jacketed bullets. If you'd like to narrow it down specifically to 30 caliber Remington "core-lokt", $29 will get you 100 of them that have never been seated into any cartridge and can be loaded into every cartridge I listed previously and no ballistician is going to tell you from fragments what cartridge that projectile was loaded into.
Couldn't give two flying fucks what the narrative is or claims is was.
The official statements were also that coof occurred organically from a wet market, the vax was safe, Cobain killed himself, Oswald killed JFK, pizzagate was debunked and a 65 year old man toted hundreds of pounds of arms through a hotel lobby unnoticed and removed an 800lb window.
You're right, im not clairvoyant but I do have eyeballs and can watch the video and clearly note the absence of a rifle that nears four feet and 9 pounds.
You might want to get yours checked though. Clown.
The reason "no one is buying this crap" is because it trashes a very favorite conspiracy theory, and theory maintenance (bias confirmation) is far more important than a drab and unexciting factual possibility.
It’s kinda like a 12 gauge. Unless your heels are backed up to the edge, you’re not falling anywhere. Referring to inexperienced here. And supposedly he was in prone position anyways. But to the “story” we’ve been given. Where is the gun? At any time, picture, video, anything, there is no gun. They say it was in his pants leg. Well, there’s video of him dropping off the building afterwards, “ass to grass” as they say, when he landed. Ain’t no gun in his pants leg.
Definitely make a little difference, but knowing how to absorb it compensates. Heck, I'm 5'6'' and 165, and over 65 and I can handle a 50 BMG with no problem. My old Model 760 30-06 will leave a bruise with my long-range rounds but can be handled.
It is a little harder to handle if it’s a higher caliber gun. If you’ve practiced and know how to snug the rifle up to your shoulder, it’s not as bad. If the stock has been adjusted to your frame (and even if the rifle in question was a wooden stock, it can be adjusted). TR looked to be of an average height, so probably not an issue.
Is it possible that someone re-manufactures a round. Literally fills a brass casing with propellant, pushes the bullet in, crimps it whatever you need to do to make a functioning projectile, except they don't put in enough so it's a 30-06 but it doesn't perform like one you would buy ready made?
Could they also heavily score the outside jacket of the bullet? so it fragments way more than a smooth one?
Or would that just make it impossible to land on a target reliably?
You are on the beam. Ammunition is made by the tens of millions of rounds per day, and they are not all perfect. This is well known. A partial powder load can occur and results in a "dud round," reducing the energy of the round, thus the muzzle velocity, and also the recoil. Reduced muzzle velocity can make an attempted head shot become a neck shot. The recovered bullet fragments apparently were identifiable as a "core-lokt" design, intended for expansion in tissue, not penetration.
Isn't it fun to watch the experts not discuss this point?
Shills (and the ignorant) will say "bullets do funny things when they hit bone" to explain the lack of an exit wound.
That is TRUE!
BUT the debate we should be having is NOT really about an exit wound. It's about ENERGY.
In certain situations an exit wound is very much preferable because it means the bullet did not dump all its energy INSIDE the Target.
To stop the bullet, a lot of tissue needs to absorb a TON of energy. Literally. 30-06 still has ~2000 ft pounds of energy at 150 yards.
Being surrounded by
stupid peopleshills that don't (want to) understand this, and other objective things, is demoralizing... and therein lies the real power of a shill.I'm not well-versed, but have watched some of the YouTube gun demonstrations and have enough discernment to easily agree with your take on it.
"To stop the bullet, a lot of tissue needs to absorb a TON of energy"
That's just it, Gel is not Tissue. Watch hunting videos. Watch cartel executions. There's plenty of gore websites. Ballistic gel is not the same regardless of how much you try to make it look human.
I've never used a gun in my life but I understand physics and I was one of the first to say that it was a squib.
And if the cartridge had a deficient powder loading, the energy would be much reduced. This is called a dud round and they happen. Firearms training generally includes instruction on how to cope with one. A low powder charge could easily reduce the muzzle velocity to be comparable to a pistol cartridge, thus lowering an attempted head shot to be a neck shot.
I agree that it is onerous to be surrounded by shills.
For me the whole story collapsed when they said 30-06. That was about an hour in.
That is not an entrance wound (on Charlie's neck) for a bullet no matter what caliber it is.
Thank you. I'm validated
At 100 yds a 30-06 will punch holes through deer necks, shoulders, and spines. Ain't no way CK was hit in the neck with any kind of 30-06 rd, not even those elusive frangible munitions because JT is correct. The force at that distance would still illustrate far greater trauma than what the official narrative suggests.
Thank you. Exactly.
The irony is that a 30-06 bullet at that range would be FAR MORE "survivable" (relatively speaking) if it went clean through and thus dumped most of its energy somewhere else other than the neck.
All bets are off if there was a deficient powder loading in the cartridge. Dud rounds happen.
I stopped watching Josh Reid & AlphaWarrior due to both of them swearing up and down CK was shot with a 30-06 some time ago now.
Edit: and the two of them were down talking anyone who said he wasn't shot. That's what bothered me most, there's lot's of different takes in this thing that's going on but don't talk shit about other people that have different opinions.
There has been an absurd amount of varying narratives around this shooting.
10 minutes before the "shot" - Charlie Adjusts The Blood Squib's Fat Unclipped Hose (not a mic)
https://old.bitchute.com/video/BQQiPE0h33Ou/
Follow along.
Its possible a magnet was used... but unlikely, especially given the weight of such a huge "wire"
They also want those microphones as close to your collar as possible. For best pickup, not over on the chest.
A thick hose under his shirt would be necessary for a BLOOD SQUIB, though.
Pretty much what I think. He was either actually killed by an explosive in his lapel/mic or WH knew of this operation by Israeli assets and TPUSA insiders and staged an event to put him in witness protection.
My Dad was a police officer no organization worth a damn would trust some scrawny 21 year old with a hit job of that high caliber. And nothing about the investigation makes sense. The average gangbanger shooting has better investigations than this. Why is George Zinn NOT being questioned for example?
As far as Erika goes I think she betrayed Charlie her behavior is genuinely bizarre. I am open to the slim possibility that Erika knows and is just the worst actress of all time. But everything about her and her families past and being caught lying about previous boyfriends has me thinking otherwise.
My delusional hope is that Charlie is alive and becomes the next President when all is said and done.
Peculiar, then, that the autopsy found the shell casing and core fragments, suitable for identification of type and make.
Allegedly.
The type and make was identified. I didn't happen to memorize the details. Nothing "alleged" about material evidence. The relevant implication is that a microphone bomb is an "exploded" theory (to be clever about it). Time to move on.
Every detail taken in sum total makes me lean hardest towards a blood squib fake out.
✡️ Knows what happen, before Charlie’s death google search’s from Israel on hospitals and Doctors in that area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKtSs2DyVO8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmyM_KTGFwo
Depends entirely on the projectile. FMJ will punch a hole, gnarly hollow point or ballistic tip will make a mess. Standard NATO rounds are "ball' (FMJ) ammo..
FMJ will punch a hole,''
...if one gets struck in the neck with a FMJ, I wouldn't want to be standing behind them...
Was there someone behind Charlie that might have been hit with the bullet? Or did it ricochet off into never never land? Why did they clean the area so quickly and efficiently? Plus Charlie should have bled out a LOT of blood, but i only saw a "non bloody " entry wound. So.ething smell off with the official story.
Exactly. If FMJ, then where did the bullet go after leaving Charlie's neck? I didn't see any indication of a bullet striking something behind him. Anyone else?
But really, even if a 30.06 hunting bullet hit Charlie's spine instead of just soft tissue, it would have barely slowed down, and the damage would have been extreme and instantly obvious.
I don't know what DID happen, but I don't think I'm ever going to buy the story that someone used a 30.06 to kill Charlie.
I don't think I'm ever going to buy the story that someone used a 30.06 to kill Charlie.''
...wise investment of mental resources...
Frangible round. Ball round. 150 grain. 180 grain. Etc etc...
All irrelevant (to my point specifically) and here's why:
I'm talking about the ENERGY OF THE BULLET.
If a bullet passes through the target, then it deposits that energy somewhere else.
Look it up. That's (perhaps counterintuitively) the best case scenario when getting shot. I'll explain why.
If the bullet "stays inside" the target, that's really really bad because it means that energy has to go somewhere, vis INSIDE the target.
Energy isn't everything, ballistics are different with every projectile. I hunted with high powered rounds of many calibres for over 50 years, reloaded precision rounds and calculated ballistics for over 35. "Ball ammo" will just pass thru soft tissue. I've never seen a 30-06 "stay inside -have killed dozens of large critters.
Yes, but what I'm trying to explain to others is that IF/WHEN such a high-powered bullet stays in the target, it by necessity must dump all of its energy in said target in order to do so.
IF it passes clean through then the energy is much less of a factor because that energy gets dumped elsewhere, outside the target.
Projectile energy becomes extremely relevant when the projectile does NOT pass through the target.
I read vaporizes flash and bone. Huge hole.
If you have a stomach to see it, there are some major examples of both small and terrible exit wounds on ddg with search safe off under “huge 30-06 exit wound”.
The worst examples are people, so “caveat emptor”.
A 30-06 can leave virtually no hole, or literally blow the entire head off, depending exactly on what u/JohnTitor17 said - it’s about where the energy ends up being deposited.
Good luck arguing over the internet :-)
Having shot a lot of ball ammo and known several people with ball ammo scars, it rarely drills a clean exit hole after hitting anything hard following by anything but air.
BTW - I was never in the military, but family members have been and a number of people I've met over the years have the scars to prove their service.
Or, if there is a low powder loading in the shell, the energy will be lower in proportion. Dud rounds happen all the time.
They don't happen "all the time" i've seen a handful across several years of uspsa matches weekly, including state and area matches. I've shot the barrels lot of several blocks and several sets of gas runs and barrels in AR's. I've shot more rounds than most ever will at 30k 9mm a year for several years.
A $1500 Dillon press has a low powder alarm. Automated machines have many more failsafes. It happens, but not often.
It was not a 30.06.
Tire blowouts don't happen "all the time" either, but you would be ridiculous to insist they don't happen. Certainly not often enough to warrant having a spare tire and knowledge of how to change it. One man's experience is not the world.
Refer to my answer below to 336HoursToGo and the link to an exposition on dud rounds. Read and learn. Dud rounds happen despite all the measures taken to prevent them. "Not often" means "it happens." (People here have the thoroughly mistaken idea that "improbable" means "impossible.")
The bullet fragments were identified to be identical with a known production .30-'06 round. That's also what the rifle was chambered for. So, yeah, that's what it was.
For starters, you're the one that said they happen "all the time." They don't.
Secondly, squibs block barrels and often result in catastrophic failures with the subsequent attempt if not caught, which retard surely didn't have the ability to rectify with his screwdriver.
Third, .30 caliber(7.62) projectiles are used in so many cartridges its not funny. .300blk, .308, .30-06, 7.62x39, x54, 7.62 nato, a billion different 300 magnum cartridges.
That twink didn't tote a nearly 4 foot long, 9 pound mauser to a roof concealed, or disassemble it and reassemble it.
A 147g ball round from a 30-06 carries 19-24" of penetration depth. That increases to north of 30" with heavier rounds such as a 180 due to the increased mass the tissue has to deceleration.
30 06 is devastating to bone and tissue and Charlie's neck wasn't of sufficient size to even contain the temporary wound channel of the hydraulic displacement that north of two thousand footpounds of energy dump would cause. He didn't possess enough spine to stop said round at anything remotely close to typical muzzle velocity.
I don't give a flying fuck what "they" said it was, it wasn't a 30.06 and everybody who has ever shot anything with one knows it wasn't.
They don't have to convince us, only others like you who will swallow and regurgitate whatever slop they peddle.
Of course they happen "all the time". In a nation of 350 million people, how many times a year do you suppose it happens, to be something that is always mentioned in firearms training, and made the example of safety consideration? Just as blown tires happen "all the time." Not to each of us, weeky; that would be an absurd reading. But often enough that they are a fact of life. All you are trying to do is claim that something which is rare is actually impossible. That would not be accepted as an argument in 3rd grade.
And I'm not talking about squibs, which are at the bottom end of the spectrum.
There was no mystery about identification of the kind of cartridge. I have read that the fragments were identified as to manufacturer and type. It was a soft-nose, core-locked construction. This was examined by a forensic ballistician. You are not in that category.
You are not clairvoyant and cannot prove he didn't do anything. They have photo evidence that he was on the scene and acting.
Again, you are avoiding the possibility of a reduced powder load that could have lowered the muzzle velocity by a factor of two, making it more like a pistol bullet in resulting momentum. The obvious fact of the whole scenario is that the bullet that hit Charlie did not have 2000 foot-pounds of energy.
I've shot .30-'06 in a Garand M1. Stout recoil. Full powder load, however. I was also a member of the International Wound Ballistics Association (IWBA), which was formed to dispel the nonsense that was appearing in public discussion about wound ballistics.
Apparently you are unconvincible, when confronted with an explanation that explains the effects of the scenario.
"Soft nosed core locked" means dick as to which type of cartridge. Soft point bonded bullets are available for literally every caliber that uses jacketed bullets. If you'd like to narrow it down specifically to 30 caliber Remington "core-lokt", $29 will get you 100 of them that have never been seated into any cartridge and can be loaded into every cartridge I listed previously and no ballistician is going to tell you from fragments what cartridge that projectile was loaded into.
Couldn't give two flying fucks what the narrative is or claims is was.
The official statements were also that coof occurred organically from a wet market, the vax was safe, Cobain killed himself, Oswald killed JFK, pizzagate was debunked and a 65 year old man toted hundreds of pounds of arms through a hotel lobby unnoticed and removed an 800lb window.
You're right, im not clairvoyant but I do have eyeballs and can watch the video and clearly note the absence of a rifle that nears four feet and 9 pounds.
You might want to get yours checked though. Clown.
You have posted this "DUD ROUND" crap repeatedly. No one is buying that crap.
It's not crap. And anyone who really knows anything about ammunition understands this fact. Or you could actually do some research: https://www.theballisticassistant.com/when-click-isnt-safe-why-dud-rounds-deserve-respect/ This theory has the advantage of conforming with known facts and explaining low impact energy, trajectory drop, and reduced recoil.
The reason "no one is buying this crap" is because it trashes a very favorite conspiracy theory, and theory maintenance (bias confirmation) is far more important than a drab and unexciting factual possibility.
Whatever. Cling to your lottery ticket odds, little buddy!
What is the kick on a 30ott6 would that kid even have the stature to aim and fire without fallin off the roof from the kick?
It’s kinda like a 12 gauge. Unless your heels are backed up to the edge, you’re not falling anywhere. Referring to inexperienced here. And supposedly he was in prone position anyways. But to the “story” we’ve been given. Where is the gun? At any time, picture, video, anything, there is no gun. They say it was in his pants leg. Well, there’s video of him dropping off the building afterwards, “ass to grass” as they say, when he landed. Ain’t no gun in his pants leg.
Thanks for that. Agreed.
I killed deer with a lighter 30-06 than that (kicks worse) when I was a pre-teen. Stature doesn't mean squat.
So height and weight dn make a diff in handling the kick? I thought thicker bigger was better with more powerful guns?
Definitely make a little difference, but knowing how to absorb it compensates. Heck, I'm 5'6'' and 165, and over 65 and I can handle a 50 BMG with no problem. My old Model 760 30-06 will leave a bruise with my long-range rounds but can be handled.
Thank you, this is good to know. Had me confused.
It is a little harder to handle if it’s a higher caliber gun. If you’ve practiced and know how to snug the rifle up to your shoulder, it’s not as bad. If the stock has been adjusted to your frame (and even if the rifle in question was a wooden stock, it can be adjusted). TR looked to be of an average height, so probably not an issue.
Thank you for clarification on this! Much appreciated.
And once again the easily lead automatons just continue to argue a point that doesn't fucking matter.
It's 911 all over again.
Asking the who, and not giving an actual fuck about the why.
That's the entire OP. Arguing into perpetuity about who did it.
Ah, somebody that gets it.
You didn’t really say anything. We all have a why. Again you just name call cause you don’t have a real argument.
If I didn't say anything why are you responding?
Is it possible that someone re-manufactures a round. Literally fills a brass casing with propellant, pushes the bullet in, crimps it whatever you need to do to make a functioning projectile, except they don't put in enough so it's a 30-06 but it doesn't perform like one you would buy ready made? Could they also heavily score the outside jacket of the bullet? so it fragments way more than a smooth one? Or would that just make it impossible to land on a target reliably?
(my terminology might be off, I am not a shooter)
You are on the beam. Ammunition is made by the tens of millions of rounds per day, and they are not all perfect. This is well known. A partial powder load can occur and results in a "dud round," reducing the energy of the round, thus the muzzle velocity, and also the recoil. Reduced muzzle velocity can make an attempted head shot become a neck shot. The recovered bullet fragments apparently were identifiable as a "core-lokt" design, intended for expansion in tissue, not penetration.
Isn't it fun to watch the experts not discuss this point?
Ballistic gel has no connective tissues.
So... Kash was right?
"See you in Valhalla" (aka WitPro)
...I have seen what effect these have on Cervidae...