That would be great idea, but I don’t think it would be cheap, so only people with money could afford it. I can’t even afford RT on the regular airlines these days(not that I would fly right now with airlines stupidity going on), so no chance for me in a private plane, it would be nice but I could only wish.
In smaller airplanes for shorter trips yes. For example, you could charter a Cessna 400 series airplane 6 - 8 passenger seat twin engine piston airplane from Los Angeles to Las Vegas for a little bit more than first class at an airline like cost.
All six seats filled splitting the cost would be a little more per passenger than getting first class. But trust me the experience is 1000x better than the airlines. No security, no waiting, no baggage check, no charge for parking, none of that.
Still pricey for the average flyer, I think. However, if many who typically fly first class took your option instead, I'm thinking the airlines would regret it. First class seat sales must be a significant portion of their profit.
Oh yeah that market is thriving right now for sure. Private charter is booming right now and expanding quickly. The problem is it’s prohibitively expensive to start and operate a business in charter aviation. I want to myself but I need around $5 to $10 million to get started. I don’t have that kind of cash
I suspect they'll be self-flying, or have heavy autopilot overrides to avoid going where they shouldn't. We'll see, but the FAA Drone stuff that has hobbyist pilots up in arms could be a pathway forward for automated flying "drone" cars.
The amount of complexity in automation you are talking about is mind boggling. Joe public have no clue what goes into the automation of aircraft or the complexity of air traffic. The sky seems really simple until you get an idea of everything that goes into making sure aircraft don’t hit each other, fly into mountains, the dirt, or into thunderstorms. Winds change constantly, fog, mist, icing conditions, turbulence, bird activity, military activity, wild fires, etc. there is an infinite number of variables to deal with when flying.
Then you start talking about safety aspect of the aircraft. Minimum fuel reserves, system failure procedures, engine failure procedures, loss of GPS (happens A LOT), loss of ground based navigation, instrument failures, software bugs (again happens A LOT) I could go on and on.
Aviation is extremely safe because we have spent decades perfecting flying and you have to have intelligence to be able to interpret all the data coming at you. It’s going to be a long while before an AI can safely automate all of that.
Yeah a new network of skyways will need to be developed outside the traditional ones used for fixed wing craft, but a lot of that could be addressed with the new FAA drone implementation plans they're rolling out. An air-car could use the same system for navigation and to keep vehicles in their lane as drones will be used to deliver packages and such.
Avoding mountains and such could be done easily enough with camera based ai systems and strict no-fly zones.
GPS could be enhanced with sensor and camera-informed dead-reckoning until signal returns, much like a pilot would do.
Low visibility craft could follow major roads and train tracks for references as well, when able.
They could also, in extreme situations, trigger an automated emergency landing like DJI drones do when running low on battery.
A lot of auto-pilot, navigation and drone technology could be combined to make some powerful solutions, given some more time. I agree however it isn't a trivial task, and the risk is much higher in flight than on the ground. Parachutes and airbags would hopefully help.
You are very logical in your thinking but are missing a lot of information about the limitations on what is possible in the air. Aircraft being built right now will fly for the next 40 years and building the new airspace you’re talking about would require extremely expensive retrofits to already flying aircraft. That kind of extreme cost will deter this from happening soon.
The FAA recently took almost 15 years to implement a system called ADS-B for all airplanes flying in the US. All it is, is a satellite based transponder system that reports GPS altitude and speed. The push back from the industry was insane as it cost operators of jets $30K to $100K PER AIRCRAFT.
The biggest hurdle we have for your proposals is cost. And no technology does not reduce cost in aviation. Example, I flew a twin that had an alternator commonly used in cars. Same part number, same manufacturer, but the one for the plane said aviation on the side. That alternator cost $600 for the airplane the one cars was $80. The reason for the insane cost? The FAA.
What is your take on the video I shared? I'm definitely not suggesting that a Cessna or a Citation will be retrofit to this purpose. They would likely continue being directed down the established sky highways at different altitudes, etc as they do now, passed along to local TRACON's, Towers, etc.
Do you think your argument is similar to someone who worked at NASA before SpaceX really took off? Disruptive tech rarely plays by established rules.
I don't doubt your experience, and respect your profession.
Had a customer come in yesterday. He didn't have a mask so he was pulling his shirt up to cover his face. I could tell he was kinda uneasy about it and his belly hanging out. I told him dont worry about the mask shit,go see the guy over there. He dropped his shirt and said thank you with a smile.
Yes, wow could this be another way to fuel a great separate industry with its own economy? Humm? I would pay more private airfields could use the funds for sure!
Baron, Bonanza, Piper Seneca. All have similar looking interior configurations.
Private pilots are great people and the majority that I've met are happy to have good company and an excuse to fly.
I've been a Aviation gear head most my life, put 22hrs on 172 attempting to get a license till the funds and life got in the way. I've been a member of the Experimental Aircraft Assoc. (EAA) and witnessed the destruction of general aviation thru the 80's and 90's. All the while EAA would do it's level best to keep General Aviation afloat and interesting to the general pubic. But this ^^^^
Pilots and EAA members it would be a awesome way to make General Aviation important again. Angel flights and good PR. The fuel isn't free I realize but the results would be priceless.
OMG, YESSSSS. That's YUGE. Makes me think of the Guardian Angels in NYC that Curtis Sliwa started. Volunteers who patrolled the streets when the city was at its worst. They carried no weapons that I can recall but they did a good job helping out defenseless people against thugs.
https://guardianangels.org/
Maybe we need an organization comprised of good people willing to help out victims of wokeness? That need will be great if the vaccine passports become the law. This pilot's good deed and the PR he receives is the best weapon against the left. That simple act made the airline look petty and foolish for taking their ignorant stance. Bet their CEO is under fire from the Board of Directors. We need to wake these corporations up. And this simple act could destroy years of advertising to win customers over. In a world of hate, kindness can be a very powerful weapon. T-shirt makers, that's my freebie to you. Thumbs up to the pilot! WWG1WGA
I was just talking to my hubby about what to do to travel in the future if they require vaccine passports to places.
We could hire a private pilot to go where we want. In the meantime, you can fly with others to help reduce the rate.
My sister in law today told me her friend who didn't want to take the VAX ended up getting it so they could travel the Hawaii which is now requiring VAX passports there.
Also she lives in NJ so if she has the VAX she won't need to quarantine for 2 weeks as those who don't have the VAX will have to do.
Fuck the big flying company's that want vaccinepassport with QR codes. Pay private pilots like this!
We need to take the same attitude we do with cars... you got gas money?
Rideshare Drivers and taxi drivers get like 40% of price paid. Cut off the middleman!
Air taxis are expensive and then for us needing to get across the ocean, I wonder what we will innovate?
So Uber Air is in the future?
That would be great idea, but I don’t think it would be cheap, so only people with money could afford it. I can’t even afford RT on the regular airlines these days(not that I would fly right now with airlines stupidity going on), so no chance for me in a private plane, it would be nice but I could only wish.
I am a professional pilot - this idea has already been tried many times. The market is there but the FAA keeps shutting it down.
Can it be done for a price most middle class could afford?
In smaller airplanes for shorter trips yes. For example, you could charter a Cessna 400 series airplane 6 - 8 passenger seat twin engine piston airplane from Los Angeles to Las Vegas for a little bit more than first class at an airline like cost.
Is that first class like cost divided among 6-8 passengers or is that per passenger?
All six seats filled splitting the cost would be a little more per passenger than getting first class. But trust me the experience is 1000x better than the airlines. No security, no waiting, no baggage check, no charge for parking, none of that.
Still pricey for the average flyer, I think. However, if many who typically fly first class took your option instead, I'm thinking the airlines would regret it. First class seat sales must be a significant portion of their profit.
Are booking empty leg flights not a thing anymore?
Because there still seem to be quite a few places online offering this type of service for private planes.
Oh yeah that market is thriving right now for sure. Private charter is booming right now and expanding quickly. The problem is it’s prohibitively expensive to start and operate a business in charter aviation. I want to myself but I need around $5 to $10 million to get started. I don’t have that kind of cash
Yeah, the couple of sites I checked out all seem to list empty leg return flights from various private plane charter companies.
I didn't really see any owner/operator type planes but I did go through them rather quickly.
And for the prices they want, if you had a small group that wanted to go somewhere and you split the cost it would be less than flying first class.
Yeah if you got the right airplane and got enough people to fill the seats and it also depends on how far you want to go
Yes it is!
Flying cars is the future, we just need to get it through the deep state firewall.
The idea of flying cars terrifies me from a safety aspect as a professional pilot.
I suspect they'll be self-flying, or have heavy autopilot overrides to avoid going where they shouldn't. We'll see, but the FAA Drone stuff that has hobbyist pilots up in arms could be a pathway forward for automated flying "drone" cars.
The amount of complexity in automation you are talking about is mind boggling. Joe public have no clue what goes into the automation of aircraft or the complexity of air traffic. The sky seems really simple until you get an idea of everything that goes into making sure aircraft don’t hit each other, fly into mountains, the dirt, or into thunderstorms. Winds change constantly, fog, mist, icing conditions, turbulence, bird activity, military activity, wild fires, etc. there is an infinite number of variables to deal with when flying.
Then you start talking about safety aspect of the aircraft. Minimum fuel reserves, system failure procedures, engine failure procedures, loss of GPS (happens A LOT), loss of ground based navigation, instrument failures, software bugs (again happens A LOT) I could go on and on.
Aviation is extremely safe because we have spent decades perfecting flying and you have to have intelligence to be able to interpret all the data coming at you. It’s going to be a long while before an AI can safely automate all of that.
Yeah a new network of skyways will need to be developed outside the traditional ones used for fixed wing craft, but a lot of that could be addressed with the new FAA drone implementation plans they're rolling out. An air-car could use the same system for navigation and to keep vehicles in their lane as drones will be used to deliver packages and such.
Avoding mountains and such could be done easily enough with camera based ai systems and strict no-fly zones.
GPS could be enhanced with sensor and camera-informed dead-reckoning until signal returns, much like a pilot would do.
Low visibility craft could follow major roads and train tracks for references as well, when able.
They could also, in extreme situations, trigger an automated emergency landing like DJI drones do when running low on battery.
A lot of auto-pilot, navigation and drone technology could be combined to make some powerful solutions, given some more time. I agree however it isn't a trivial task, and the risk is much higher in flight than on the ground. Parachutes and airbags would hopefully help.
You may find these interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwZNe1rIo0s
You are very logical in your thinking but are missing a lot of information about the limitations on what is possible in the air. Aircraft being built right now will fly for the next 40 years and building the new airspace you’re talking about would require extremely expensive retrofits to already flying aircraft. That kind of extreme cost will deter this from happening soon.
The FAA recently took almost 15 years to implement a system called ADS-B for all airplanes flying in the US. All it is, is a satellite based transponder system that reports GPS altitude and speed. The push back from the industry was insane as it cost operators of jets $30K to $100K PER AIRCRAFT.
The biggest hurdle we have for your proposals is cost. And no technology does not reduce cost in aviation. Example, I flew a twin that had an alternator commonly used in cars. Same part number, same manufacturer, but the one for the plane said aviation on the side. That alternator cost $600 for the airplane the one cars was $80. The reason for the insane cost? The FAA.
It ain’t going to happen any time soon
What is your take on the video I shared? I'm definitely not suggesting that a Cessna or a Citation will be retrofit to this purpose. They would likely continue being directed down the established sky highways at different altitudes, etc as they do now, passed along to local TRACON's, Towers, etc.
Do you think your argument is similar to someone who worked at NASA before SpaceX really took off? Disruptive tech rarely plays by established rules.
I don't doubt your experience, and respect your profession.
In short, we'll see :)
Yea trying to license this would be a nightmare. ?
Oh god that and I’ve flown airplanes with the most advanced autopilots we have they are still really really stupid.
Had a customer come in yesterday. He didn't have a mask so he was pulling his shirt up to cover his face. I could tell he was kinda uneasy about it and his belly hanging out. I told him dont worry about the mask shit,go see the guy over there. He dropped his shirt and said thank you with a smile.
Our greatest hero's are the people who are ok with it if you don't wear a diaper on your face.
What a world.
How much you wanna bet he's not a Democrat?
I was gonna give you an upvote but saw that you had 17 already and I wasn't gonna be the one to ruin that. So here's your "upvote" fren.
I'll contribute to your 17, here's a start.
Lol, thanks fren.
THIS! Is the way
Awesome story
Fuck yeah. He probably threw in a few barrel rolls as well like a true consummate professional.
Love this!!!
What’s the pilots name? He needs public recognition
Might be better to keep his personal details away from the public at large.
That's what I'm thinkin'
Yes, wow could this be another way to fuel a great separate industry with its own economy? Humm? I would pay more private airfields could use the funds for sure!
You would need a big team of pilots... In each destination city... Not to say we don't have the numbers. My family has 7 private pilot's in it.
We are a bit of an oddity though.
What is that giant device behind everyone? Looks like a video game console.
Quite likely the descent parachute system for engine failures...
I'm thinking baggage. Looks like a Beach Baron low wing plane. It has a nose baggage compartment but not a lot of space like a car trunk.
Baron, Bonanza, Piper Seneca. All have similar looking interior configurations. Private pilots are great people and the majority that I've met are happy to have good company and an excuse to fly.
Yes so true, and a very nice plane! Still my 1st love will always be an old Piper Cub J3F-50, only a two seater.
I think that's an overweight Darth Vader.
God bless you two.
This is the way. God bless.
Yeah just don't take any free chopper rides mkay..
I've been a Aviation gear head most my life, put 22hrs on 172 attempting to get a license till the funds and life got in the way. I've been a member of the Experimental Aircraft Assoc. (EAA) and witnessed the destruction of general aviation thru the 80's and 90's. All the while EAA would do it's level best to keep General Aviation afloat and interesting to the general pubic. But this ^^^^ Pilots and EAA members it would be a awesome way to make General Aviation important again. Angel flights and good PR. The fuel isn't free I realize but the results would be priceless.
Sent to my buddy at SW ??
Do airline pilots really wear facemasks while flying, anyway? That would just be bonkers.
Right? Oh NBD, just flying a tin can with 100+ people inside, I don’t need to be breathing optimally at all. ??♀️
LOVE THIS!!! More plz????
OMG, YESSSSS. That's YUGE. Makes me think of the Guardian Angels in NYC that Curtis Sliwa started. Volunteers who patrolled the streets when the city was at its worst. They carried no weapons that I can recall but they did a good job helping out defenseless people against thugs. https://guardianangels.org/
Maybe we need an organization comprised of good people willing to help out victims of wokeness? That need will be great if the vaccine passports become the law. This pilot's good deed and the PR he receives is the best weapon against the left. That simple act made the airline look petty and foolish for taking their ignorant stance. Bet their CEO is under fire from the Board of Directors. We need to wake these corporations up. And this simple act could destroy years of advertising to win customers over. In a world of hate, kindness can be a very powerful weapon. T-shirt makers, that's my freebie to you. Thumbs up to the pilot! WWG1WGA
Yea!
Amazing! God Bless this man! God works in amazing ways!
Good thing Schindler didn't have Facebook or Twitter.
LOVE IT!! LOOOOVE IT!!?
Kudos to them. I know that's no small donation. Even if you already have your own plane, I know fuel is expensive and there are fees at each airport.
we need to buy that pilot a beer!!!........... AFTER he lands!
I was just talking to my hubby about what to do to travel in the future if they require vaccine passports to places.
We could hire a private pilot to go where we want. In the meantime, you can fly with others to help reduce the rate.
My sister in law today told me her friend who didn't want to take the VAX ended up getting it so they could travel the Hawaii which is now requiring VAX passports there.
Also she lives in NJ so if she has the VAX she won't need to quarantine for 2 weeks as those who don't have the VAX will have to do.