Emergency use authorization does NOT mean it has been held to a high safety standard. It literally means the exact opposite. It is approval as an experimental treatment that hasn't met the normal rigorous safety requirements.
Pfizer/Moderna inject the mRNA into the cytosol where it makes the protein.
J&J and AZ inject an adenovirus, which attacks the cells, gets into the cells, then attacks the nucleus. It injects the spike protein DNA into the nucleus. The nucleus makes the mRNA, that gets carried out into the cytosol, and then it makes the spike protein, just like the Pfizer and Moderna.
Anyone who thinks the J&J/AZ are less invasive are completely clueless. As to which is safer, if I had to guess it would be P/M, because of the fewer steps, less invasive nature and much less likely chance of altering the DNA.
However, only data could really tell us, and that is being hidden.
Thanks for clueing me in on the adenovirus. I have not looked into it but had planned to do so. I keep getting distracted by the plethora of information everywhere to look into and go to work at the same time.
This message board has been a Godsend for information and pedes like you researching and taking the time to inform others.
Oddly, it's the Chinese state-owned entity vaccines that are using traditional vaccine technology.
"The bulk of Chinese shots are from Sinovac and Sinopharm, which both rely on a traditional technology called an inactivated virus vaccine, based on cultivating batches of the virus and then killing it. Some countries view it as safer than the newer, less-proven technology used by some Western competitors that targets the coronavirus’ spike protein, despite publicly available safety data for the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines and none for China’s."
None of the vaccines have shown substantial damage so far. By that I mean, the data suggests they are causing death at a rate of about 1:20,000 and serious side effects at a rate of about 1:200. Even if these numbers are underreported by 2 to 5 times (which I think is likely), these are not population destruction events.
If there are longer term effects that are more lethal, which is possible, we will see. But there is no data for that yet, so that is a fear atm (even if somewhat justified) and not a fact.
So is it dangerous? Yes. Is it very dangerous? The data does not support that conclusion. Is it more dangerous than the virus itself? Maybe.
Until we get honest data on coronavirus with proven therapeutics like vitamin D + zinc + HCQ or Ivermectin AND honest data on the vaccines there is no way to answer that question. At the moment the vaccine does appear to be more deadly, but not by so much as to be conclusive.
Now we have to ask what would be happening without the vaccines? How would this world be progressing? Would lock downs last years instead of many places opening up? Would the narrative destroy all resistance instead of the huge resistance that exists now? How high would the suicide rates go without the hope the vaccine brings? How many more would suffer without the economic opening up because of the vaccines? How many would starve, or die to the cold, etc.?
We are at war. It is a world war. It is a war to end all wars between We The People and the Satanists that have enslaved us for (possibly) all of human history. People have died. There will be more people that die. That is what happens in wars.
Why would all this matter if things are coming to completion soon?
I guess Trump lied when he said this year would be "great."
And maybe we're to deal with a stolen election for years?
Nothing is making sense anymore...
And yeah, the vaccines are worrisome, and there's theories out there that the bioweapon called COVID will be many times more lethal when it gets to those who've been vaccinated.
The DS are chess players too... These are all phases of their plan. The vaccines and COVID go together like PB&J; all by design.
Trump's behavior through all of this has been concerning for me.
Why would all this matter if things are coming to completion soon?
One of the points I was making was that the REASON things are (hopefully) coming to completion was because of the vaccines. Without them, we would be stuck. The vaccines break us free from the narrative.
I guess Trump lied when he said this year would be "great."
The year is a quarter done. Lets wait and see what the next 9 months bring before calling him a liar. Personally I think so far it has gone pretty good. Things are heading in the right direction. More people are awake and aware of who the real enemy is than ever before in human history. More people are willing to do what it takes to be our own masters than ever before. This is possibly the most exciting time to be a live ever.
And maybe we're to deal with a stolen election for years?
It only takes one good crack and that dam will break. My eyes are on Maricopa.
Nothing is making sense anymore...
This is a disinformation war. Keep your eyes open and don't let any belief be so strong that you don't allow yourself to see evidence to the contrary. Stay alert. Learn how to believe without believing something is "truth," but accept something as true enough to provide an actionable path in the moment (a path that can change with new information).
there's theories out there that the bioweapon called COVID will be many times more lethal when it gets to those who've been vaccinated.
Yes, we shall see. Even if true this will not be a population level event, but rather a wake up call. Again, this is the war to end all wars. People will die. We must accept that freedom is not free.
The DS are chess players too... These are all phases of their plan. The vaccines and COVID go together like PB&J; all by design
Yes and no. Scenarios they have written up do not account for vaccines coming out this quick. This acceleration I believe was not a part of their plan. All it does is wake people up, which is the opposite of what they have done for thousands of years. I really don't think it was them.
Trump's behavior through all of this has been concerning for me
Always keep your eyes open, but remember, this is a disinformation war. That is the battlefield. No one is saying things directly. Gen. Flynn has lied many times.
If you take a look at all the actions put together though, it seems that they are definitely on our side. They have brought about a wake up spell the likes never seen in human history.
That is what matters. The little things in between that we don't understand are irrelevant.
We are being taught to take nothing on its face. Taking things at face value, i.e. assigning our thinking over to our "authorities" is how we got in this mess to begin with.
We really need to come up with a theory on this because Trump's vaccine push is very worisome. He gave into suppressing Hydroxychloriquine - doesn't say anymore shit about it, but says shit about pushing these terrible vaccines?
Why aren't more people concerned about this? What's the angle here?
Isn't it amazing that this is the worst pandemic in decades yet all 4 Western developed vaccines are all based on new experimental technology... Not a single one contains an attenuated strain of the virus like all vaccines prior.
Why inject even a "virus-based" technology if the damn thing is a bioweapon? These shots are no different than going into the gas chamber only they take longer. Friends that have had the jab feel fine but what happens when low vitamin D season hits?
They already had a vaccine ready to go before they released the virus.
Then Trump foiled their plans by opening up the emergency use authorization to many pharmaceutical companies. thereby pitting them against each other. This caused the market share of the pre-created one to be diluted and reduced the amount of people exposed to the worst one (mrna).
Now that Biden is in they are taking the less terrible ones out of reach so that only the mrba one is available
Trump forced them to compete for the first time ever, like real businesses. Revealing that they ARE a business and not healthcare. I completely believe the vaccine came first and then they made up Covid to fit their intended scenario.
I personally suspect the Globalists needed a reason to put people back in lockdowns, since their Ever Given ship disaster. AstraZeneca and J&J were perfect scapegoats, and allow governments to reimpose "safety" mandates (plus push the mRNA shots). ?♀️
Add to all this the Chauvin trial and Arizona Audit... We got ourselves a wild summer a'coming.
This vaccine is far more similar to traditional vaccines, but still warrants its own category. I've said for a while that this is the preferred shot among the three in the USA. However, this type of vaccination comes with debated concerns regarding increased transmission of AIDS.
So the vaccine could make the recipient more susceptible to contacting HIV... Sut theoretically, if I'm a married man and never step outside my marriage (or single and don't partake in risky behavior) then this risk doesn't apply to me (am I reading this right?)
I think this is very important. If Trump had to push a vaccine he went with the traditional method and trusted approach... Likely very similar to the flu shot millions get annually.
This vaccine is far more similar to traditional vaccines, but still warrants its own category. I've said for a while that this is the preferred shot among the three in the USA. However, this type of vaccination comes with debated concerns regarding increased transmission of AIDS.
This reminds me of the most interesting thing I heard in college, which is using HIV cells to attack cancer, while not actually infecting the patient with HIV, done by modifying the virus.
If only they could fully isolate the virus and deliver a real vaccine instead of making up new categories on the fly.
This vaccine is far more similar to traditional vaccines, but still warrants its own category. I've said for a while that this is the preferred shot among the three in the USA. However, this type of vaccination comes with debated concerns regarding increased transmission of AIDS.
Both "vaccine" types being used are interesting medical technology, but I'm uninterested in getting the shots altogether. Still, the J&J variant is preferred because I'm low risk for AIDS being a guy in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship.
Oh my God 50% of the posts on GA are about covid, day after day after day. It is just too much. I have done it as well. But its not even healthy for the minds of anyone. Maybe .win needs a plandemic.win
Emergency use authorization does NOT mean it has been held to a high safety standard. It literally means the exact opposite. It is approval as an experimental treatment that hasn't met the normal rigorous safety requirements.
What does TOP HAPPY mean?
Traditional poison vs SUPER poison!
Even the J&J "vax" is bad. This is all highlighting the IN-efficacy of these "vaccines."
The astra zenica and jj vaccines still inject spike protein DNA into the cell nucleus.
On the contrary, J&J and AZ are adding a step.
Pfizer/Moderna inject the mRNA into the cytosol where it makes the protein.
J&J and AZ inject an adenovirus, which attacks the cells, gets into the cells, then attacks the nucleus. It injects the spike protein DNA into the nucleus. The nucleus makes the mRNA, that gets carried out into the cytosol, and then it makes the spike protein, just like the Pfizer and Moderna.
Anyone who thinks the J&J/AZ are less invasive are completely clueless. As to which is safer, if I had to guess it would be P/M, because of the fewer steps, less invasive nature and much less likely chance of altering the DNA.
However, only data could really tell us, and that is being hidden.
Thanks for clueing me in on the adenovirus. I have not looked into it but had planned to do so. I keep getting distracted by the plethora of information everywhere to look into and go to work at the same time.
This message board has been a Godsend for information and pedes like you researching and taking the time to inform others.
Oddly, it's the Chinese state-owned entity vaccines that are using traditional vaccine technology.
"The bulk of Chinese shots are from Sinovac and Sinopharm, which both rely on a traditional technology called an inactivated virus vaccine, based on cultivating batches of the virus and then killing it. Some countries view it as safer than the newer, less-proven technology used by some Western competitors that targets the coronavirus’ spike protein, despite publicly available safety data for the Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines and none for China’s."
Does Trump not know it's dangerous and is hurting people?
None of this makes any sense unless we've all been played.
None of the vaccines have shown substantial damage so far. By that I mean, the data suggests they are causing death at a rate of about 1:20,000 and serious side effects at a rate of about 1:200. Even if these numbers are underreported by 2 to 5 times (which I think is likely), these are not population destruction events.
If there are longer term effects that are more lethal, which is possible, we will see. But there is no data for that yet, so that is a fear atm (even if somewhat justified) and not a fact.
So is it dangerous? Yes. Is it very dangerous? The data does not support that conclusion. Is it more dangerous than the virus itself? Maybe.
Until we get honest data on coronavirus with proven therapeutics like vitamin D + zinc + HCQ or Ivermectin AND honest data on the vaccines there is no way to answer that question. At the moment the vaccine does appear to be more deadly, but not by so much as to be conclusive.
Now we have to ask what would be happening without the vaccines? How would this world be progressing? Would lock downs last years instead of many places opening up? Would the narrative destroy all resistance instead of the huge resistance that exists now? How high would the suicide rates go without the hope the vaccine brings? How many more would suffer without the economic opening up because of the vaccines? How many would starve, or die to the cold, etc.?
We are at war. It is a world war. It is a war to end all wars between We The People and the Satanists that have enslaved us for (possibly) all of human history. People have died. There will be more people that die. That is what happens in wars.
Why would all this matter if things are coming to completion soon?
I guess Trump lied when he said this year would be "great."
And maybe we're to deal with a stolen election for years?
Nothing is making sense anymore...
And yeah, the vaccines are worrisome, and there's theories out there that the bioweapon called COVID will be many times more lethal when it gets to those who've been vaccinated.
The DS are chess players too... These are all phases of their plan. The vaccines and COVID go together like PB&J; all by design.
Trump's behavior through all of this has been concerning for me.
One of the points I was making was that the REASON things are (hopefully) coming to completion was because of the vaccines. Without them, we would be stuck. The vaccines break us free from the narrative.
The year is a quarter done. Lets wait and see what the next 9 months bring before calling him a liar. Personally I think so far it has gone pretty good. Things are heading in the right direction. More people are awake and aware of who the real enemy is than ever before in human history. More people are willing to do what it takes to be our own masters than ever before. This is possibly the most exciting time to be a live ever.
It only takes one good crack and that dam will break. My eyes are on Maricopa.
This is a disinformation war. Keep your eyes open and don't let any belief be so strong that you don't allow yourself to see evidence to the contrary. Stay alert. Learn how to believe without believing something is "truth," but accept something as true enough to provide an actionable path in the moment (a path that can change with new information).
Yes, we shall see. Even if true this will not be a population level event, but rather a wake up call. Again, this is the war to end all wars. People will die. We must accept that freedom is not free.
Yes and no. Scenarios they have written up do not account for vaccines coming out this quick. This acceleration I believe was not a part of their plan. All it does is wake people up, which is the opposite of what they have done for thousands of years. I really don't think it was them.
Always keep your eyes open, but remember, this is a disinformation war. That is the battlefield. No one is saying things directly. Gen. Flynn has lied many times.
If you take a look at all the actions put together though, it seems that they are definitely on our side. They have brought about a wake up spell the likes never seen in human history.
That is what matters. The little things in between that we don't understand are irrelevant.
We are being taught to take nothing on its face. Taking things at face value, i.e. assigning our thinking over to our "authorities" is how we got in this mess to begin with.
Thanks, fren! Great points!
Okay, so why is Trump pushing it?
We really need to come up with a theory on this because Trump's vaccine push is very worisome. He gave into suppressing Hydroxychloriquine - doesn't say anymore shit about it, but says shit about pushing these terrible vaccines?
Why aren't more people concerned about this? What's the angle here?
Biontech/Pfizer too, it is also their first vaccine.
Isn't it amazing that this is the worst pandemic in decades yet all 4 Western developed vaccines are all based on new experimental technology... Not a single one contains an attenuated strain of the virus like all vaccines prior.
It's not even logical.
It’s not even logical.
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Likely because the virus has never been isolated per Koch's Postulates. It has not been proven to exist.
Why inject even a "virus-based" technology if the damn thing is a bioweapon? These shots are no different than going into the gas chamber only they take longer. Friends that have had the jab feel fine but what happens when low vitamin D season hits?
Theory:
They already had a vaccine ready to go before they released the virus.
Then Trump foiled their plans by opening up the emergency use authorization to many pharmaceutical companies. thereby pitting them against each other. This caused the market share of the pre-created one to be diluted and reduced the amount of people exposed to the worst one (mrna).
Now that Biden is in they are taking the less terrible ones out of reach so that only the mrba one is available
Trump forced them to compete for the first time ever, like real businesses. Revealing that they ARE a business and not healthcare. I completely believe the vaccine came first and then they made up Covid to fit their intended scenario.
I personally suspect the Globalists needed a reason to put people back in lockdowns, since their Ever Given ship disaster. AstraZeneca and J&J were perfect scapegoats, and allow governments to reimpose "safety" mandates (plus push the mRNA shots). ?♀️
Add to all this the Chauvin trial and Arizona Audit... We got ourselves a wild summer a'coming.
What truly happened with the Ever Given? I haven't looked into yet, but I want to know.
TURKISH MEDIA AGAIN TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERGREEN AND THE BILL GATES CLIMATE WEAPON
YouTube has scrubbed this video and others like it so search for Evergreen on Bitchute or Rumble if you want more info
Do you really believe what the video says, that Turkey, Israel, Qatar, and Jordan were the white hat operatives in the Suez?
Same
Hold up...
What virus did they use as the root for the J&J one?
the one no one has isolated yet.
Bingo.
HIV.
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/types
This vaccine is far more similar to traditional vaccines, but still warrants its own category. I've said for a while that this is the preferred shot among the three in the USA. However, this type of vaccination comes with debated concerns regarding increased transmission of AIDS.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/some-covid-19-vaccines-could-increase-hiv-risk-researchers/
Just read the article, thanks for the link.
So the vaccine could make the recipient more susceptible to contacting HIV... Sut theoretically, if I'm a married man and never step outside my marriage (or single and don't partake in risky behavior) then this risk doesn't apply to me (am I reading this right?)
That's not true.
Everyone has AIDS.
Afaik some chimp adenovirus.
I think this is very important. If Trump had to push a vaccine he went with the traditional method and trusted approach... Likely very similar to the flu shot millions get annually.
Not at all.
Read some of the earlier replies.
Why is he pushing it if it's dangerous to people?
I'm not happy about it either.
It's almost as if this is some Hunger Games type test by the elites. Pick the right vaccine, you wake up. Pick the wrong one and you die.
I will spend the rest of my life battling off darkseekers and talking to mannequins like I Am Legend before I take one of these vaccines.
is that the difference? has anyone made a chart with the differences of the current shots?
could J&J be under fire for the the vaccine not containing the MRNA like the others
It's a viral vector vaccine - the only one listed here:
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/types
This vaccine is far more similar to traditional vaccines, but still warrants its own category. I've said for a while that this is the preferred shot among the three in the USA. However, this type of vaccination comes with debated concerns regarding increased transmission of AIDS.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/some-covid-19-vaccines-could-increase-hiv-risk-researchers/
This reminds me of the most interesting thing I heard in college, which is using HIV cells to attack cancer, while not actually infecting the patient with HIV, done by modifying the virus.
If only they could fully isolate the virus and deliver a real vaccine instead of making up new categories on the fly.
How does it use virus based technology if it never has been isolated?
Short answer: HIV.
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/types
This vaccine is far more similar to traditional vaccines, but still warrants its own category. I've said for a while that this is the preferred shot among the three in the USA. However, this type of vaccination comes with debated concerns regarding increased transmission of AIDS.
https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/some-covid-19-vaccines-could-increase-hiv-risk-researchers/
Both "vaccine" types being used are interesting medical technology, but I'm uninterested in getting the shots altogether. Still, the J&J variant is preferred because I'm low risk for AIDS being a guy in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship.
"...being a guy in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship."
Me too... which gender does that make us?
Super straight
Vector-based, same as Sputnik and AZ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#List_of_authorized_and_approved_vaccines
Makes me wonder if those are actually working much better in reality. Since those are hit hard by the media.
AZ is also making them at-cost with non-profit contracts, which I’m sure upset the rest of pharma that want to be raking it in.
somehow 6 J&J cases are enough to shut it down when we have been reading of mRNA side effects for months . . . hmmmmm
It's not that simple. This makes it sound like the J and J is a "regular" vaccine. It's not. It is gene therapy, too!!
Not what I heard.
Oh my God 50% of the posts on GA are about covid, day after day after day. It is just too much. I have done it as well. But its not even healthy for the minds of anyone. Maybe .win needs a plandemic.win
yeah, it uses a virus wrapper to deliver the mRNA?
Or is Trump playing 5D chess again, getting the DS to attack the J&J just because they think he favors it?