That wasn’t the msm story. That’s the story that was being screamed all over by the actual vape users. The poster above was correct. It was vitamin E oil which is not something that can be vaped as it builds up on your lungs. The msm story was that it was the regular vape juice casing the deaths. When it was finally proven to actually be the black market thc oil the story was just dropped. It’s the event that started me digging into all of this, actually. I’m a heavy vape user myself and I am pretty skilled at making my own juice so I knew damn well that it was a web of lies.
Wrong, it was a pair of brothers in wisconsin who got busted running a massive THC cart empire who were using vitamin E oil as a liquidizer in their carts.
The company who made the liquidizer was marketing it as healthier because it contained vitamins not understanding that it would cause lipid pneumonia.
i don't remember the name of the company but you can find it all on the old reddit thread that talked about it. the company freaked out, pulled all their ads, and ghosted itself from the internet as fast as they could.
it was a US company who made it, they were just filling small dropper bottles with different "vitamin enhanced" liquidizers and the vitamin E oil was the one that caused all the problems.
I mean if you want to conclude that because the vitamin E oil came from a foreign company then you could, most of the vitamin and supplement ingredients come from non-domestic sources... but they weren't the ones selling it as a vitamin liquidizer for carts.
Probably right, I wouldn’t rule this was coordinated, it happened right before covid, and gave them reasons to make all sorts of crazy anti vaping/pro tobacco laws.
Wisconsin is in the middle of the country and makes it a good hub for distribution to both coasts.
The two brothers who were making carts had people coming to them from all over the country buying rubbermaid totes full of finished carts. they had a bunch of people working for them constructing the fake packaging, filling the carts, loading the packaging and finishing them off for sale.
I used to make carts, i know exactly how they were doing it.
You go onto a site like dhgate and order trays of empty carts, and you order the flat packed packaging for the finished product.
the flat packed packaging shows up with all the printed boxes or foil pouches and stickers you need to make the finished product appear to be a safe and legal product that comes from a tested recreational sales operation.
they are counterfeit knockoffs
the most popular ones were mario carts, dank vapes, cereals, king pens, brass nuckles, cookies...
you could order them by the case... 100, 1,000, 10,000, the more you buy the cheaper they got per unit.
i liked the king pens, they looked more professional and were an easy sale.
i only made carts for a few weeks before the prices suddenly started dropping, pretty much overnight the carts went from 40-50 bucks, down to 25-30.
i knew right away that people were filling them with bullshit, because there's no way you can fill a cart with THC extract and sell it for 25 bucks and still make money.
thats when i sold all my packaging to someone and quit screwing with it...
i still have 3 flats of 510 threaded ccell carts that i use to make my own vape carts, enough to last me forever... but now that weed is rec legal where i live there's no use in trying to sell it. people don't trust vape carts unless they are coming from a shop where they know they are tested and legal.
I don’t know if China was to blame for this. I remember there being some confusion because the affected carts were all pretty much the same brand. But that’s because they were cheap (empty) carts purchased from China. They weren’t necessarily filled in China. And just because the packaging said “dank vapes” or whatever didn’t make it a specific brand or pinpoint a specific manufacture. They could have had anything in them. Basically the real culprit was greed and stupidity and that is something that is spread across both the US and China.
Yea many could have been filled and coming from China as well, this is the same country who gave us wuhan bio-nuke and enough fentanyl to take out every man woman and child of many cities.
when rec marijuana shops in CA and CO started outsourcing their packaging to china, china did what they always do and they sold that companies IP to anyone willing to fork over the cash. the guy out west who pioneered the "Brass knuckles" brand has been going through the battle with china for years now... every time he comes out with a new design to distinguish himself from the fake knockoffs... within a few weeks china is selling his new packaging to anyone with cash.
you can go on dhgate right now and still buy the ccells and the flat packed packaging complete with stickers to seal the boxes or a heat seal machine to seal the foil pouches.
dank vapes was a popular one, they were small paper boxes with cartoonish characters on the front artwork that indicated the flavor of the cart inside. they were popular for a few reasons... mainly because they were a very small box so they were easy to conceal and transport in large quantities.
this same sized box was also used for the "cereal" flavored ones that had all your favorite cartoon cereal company characters on the box. honey nut cherrios and fruity pebbles were best sellers.
exotics and mario carts came in the foil pouches and you could order a heat sealer to seal up the pouches.
i preferred the kingpens, they were a black box with the image of a king from a pack of cards. the box was bigger than the danks (and the cereals) but the finished package was much more impressive... had a sticker with that king logo to seal the box (making it look more official), and inside the box the cart was in a little black plastic pop-top tube nested in a cardboard holder. the packaging was way nicer and the black plastic tube helped prevent pressure induced leaking from temp swings. like it's own little insulated dead air space container that helped it stay intact.
when we bought them we'd buy a mixed box of 4 different "flavors" indicated on the final product box. when you made the "lemon haze" you just used lemon terps when you mixed the oil.
you could literally buy any brand packaging, with any flavor on the label, 100, 1,000, 10,000 at a time. cheaper the more you bought.
then all you needed to do was buy the empty ccell carts in flats of 100.
just search dhgate for "vape cart" and you'll see what i'm talking about.
nothing comes from china with any liquid in them, they are all empty carts and empty packaging letting you fill them with whatever you want.
responsible people filled them with THC extract.
but when that market got flooded with competition, shady people began putting all sorts of shit in them and selling them for cheap. you could literally fill them with citronella oil and idiots would smoke them.
no joke, a friend brought me one he suspected was fake and i'm convinced thats exactly what was inside it... smelled like it, flowed like it... i didn't try hitting it but he said when he did it tasted like a mosquito candle.
Yeah, notice how quickly they tried to ban vaping at the national level? All the vape sections immediately wiped out from the shelves while the tobacco remained. Big tobacco doesn't like their market share being threatened, so they try to outlaw the competition or at least push regulation in which they would have the resources to accommodate dominating that market too.
"The official story" was that it was caused by fucking juul pods and politicians used that to try to ban nicotine vaping so they could stop the bleeding of tax revenue from people stopping smoking cigarettes.
If you read the long post i made in this thread it's all about the MSA
the "master settlement agreement" is a scheme where big tobacco pays states a portion of SALES within their state. so the more cigarettes they sell in a state like michigan, the more money big tobacco pays the state.
This is why Grethcen wHitler came out immediately trying to ban flavored nicotine vapes, because flavored vapes are costing states billions of dollars that these states took out loans against future/projected revenue.
Yes, I read it and deleted my other responses. Your expertise is GOLD. I was vaping in 2019 and was kinda interested as all that was going down. Kudos ?? Edit: NOW I REMEMBER yeah, the tobacco MSA deal, right-on.
I know a lot of guys here who were all making and selling carts in 2018. we were one of the first ones in the region who were making them because I found the counterfeit packaging when was buying and selling glass bongs to head shops using dhgate. the packaging was all from china, all based on retail packaging from recreational shops out in california. those shops were using china to make the packaging for them, so china (as they do with everything) started selling that same packaging to everyone.
we would purchase flats of 510 threaded ccell carts, and then mixed packaging of king pen boxes and stickers to make the final product. From there you would make THC concentrate, mix and decarb it on a stirring hot plate in a beaker, cut with some terpenes (flavor) then while it was still warm inject the oil into the carts and screw the mouth pieces back on.
it took some trial and error to get the viscosity right, if you know what you're doing you can achieve the proper viscosity without liquidizers... but the guys who were doing this as a hobby often just melted down some wax, splashed in some terps and then added liquidizers until they hit the right mix that would vape in a cart without running out.
We set up a nice little business, but it only lasted for a short time until everyone and their brother began selling them and the price dropped out.
it went from no problem selling them all day at 40 bucks... and people thought they wee getting a deal...
to pretty much over night people were selling them for 20 bucks.
i can tell you right now there's no way in hell you can make a cart that makes you money selling at 20 bucks unless it's full of vitamin E oil and fentanyl.
they chose this particular vitamin E oil because it had an amber color to it... so it mimiced the look of a real cart.
as soon as the market got flooded with fake dangerous bullshit we got the fuck out and stopped selling them.
i still make my own for personal use, i've got enough ccell carts sitting here to last a lifetime... but i watched it all happen... and i was running around this area well before the lung illness started warning people that the "cheap carts" were going to make people sick.
nobody listened, because they all just thought i was trying to justify "ripping them off" with a real cart that cost 40, when they could buy a fake cart for 20.
it really bothers me now to see people calling the vitamin E oil "the official story", it absolutely was not the official story until people like be began to sound the alarm that it wasn't nicotine vape, but fake carts.
Gotcha, hey thanks for taking all your time writing that. A great re-education. I always admit when I’m wrong or mis-informed. Many peeps don’t. We’re here to digg and learn to help educate others no matter the subject. -Peace Bro
"The official story" was that nicotine vapes, after over a decade of being widely used with ZERO issue, mysteriously began causing lung illness. this was then used in a failed attempt to bring down the nicotine vaping industry.
But people like me blew the whistle on the entire story when the truth started coming out and stopped the politicians from shutting down the industry.
"the official story" fell the fuck apart when people started screaming from the rooftops that it wasn't nicotine vaping, but illicit THC carts containing vitamin E acetate that was causing the issue.
It's kinda shitty that two years later people are now confusing the THC vitamin E oil carts FACT as "the official story".
Tainted THC carts wasn't "the official story", it was the fucking truth that saved the nicotine vaping industry from big government authoritarian FUCKING GARBAGE.
While I do believe the MSM was hyping that as the cause, I do know a couple of pot heads that will literally vape anything they think might get them high. Lol
that's exactly what it is. I can't buy vape juice online anymore which was a huge red flag for me. Vaping may kill a few people but cigarettes kill waaaaaay more people. I believe this to be by design. I used to smoke but have been vaping for the past 5 years. My lungs have never felt cleaner (obviously not compared to pre-smoking)
As a former industry insider on this, I can verify you are correct. Vaping is proven 95% healthier than smoking. So it needs to be shut down immediately... Follow the money, as always...
it wasn't just in wisconsin, it was all over the country, a doctor in nebraska is the one who tied it to vitamin E oil inside black market THC vape carts which caused lipid pneumonia.
Someone else suggested the vaping 'deaths' were rolled into COVID, that would make sense.
They are in the process of outlawing vaping up here in Canada. The politician/'health expert' spear heading that is also the same one who said 'vitamin-D helping with COVID is fake news', so, that goes to show how she'll handle this.
But I think the northern VA care homes involved were close to one another at least. And it happened within the month (I think) of Detrick being shut down that summer. Anyways, at the time I remember a map showing the location of Ft Detrick in relation to the homes, and they looked all close enough, though I didn't pay attention to the bar scale of the map.
u/BoatingAccident - were they experimenting on soldiers with both sprays and vaping where they could track and monitor their health?
Did they then turn their attention to specific targets and targeted communities? Why would they target the Racine community on purpose both with vaping and spraying? What has been shared about Racine for so many years? What happened to some of the people who were sharing the information and others who were investigating?
Some of the first vaping deaths were in the Racine area, and many people in the Racine area suddenly fell extremely ill with the exact symptoms of COVID. The doctors were very vague, confused and alarmed by what they saw. There was no follow up, there was no investigation. Delegates from China were also in the area during that time for both China Lights events and Foxconn Industrial Internet developments. Fii is based in Shenzhen, China which is the model CCP socialist community as Racine is in the U.S.
There was also a major vaping distribution scandal in the area around the same time involving the Racine County Sheriff who was allegedly having affairs with the main suspects. It was all covered up and swept under the rug.
Who else were they trying to eliminate in the Racine area? Why would assistants to the most powerful people in the area use private health and financial records to target, stalk, attack and threaten any possible witnesses to extreme crimes involving these families and groups?
Why would Loretta Lynch, Jim Comey, Andy McCabe, Peter Kadzik, Sally Yates and other high ranking officials personally intervene into cases around the Racine area to target and silence known witnesses to key events?
Racine is a completely controlled community in close connection with certain agencies and institutions. There is a reason why one of these agencies heavily recruits from Cornell, linked closely with Fauci, Gates and Racine.
Thank you for shedding light on this. Racine is the biggest story in the world, and the model for COVID, elections, Big Tech, Rotary and vaccine programs, Sustainable Development, Community Policing, quantum computing, resilient communities and the real agenda of global and eternal enslavement.
This is not conjecture, a game, or a LARP.
Everything shared about Racine since the beginning is The Truth.
Why is the University of Wisconsin closely tied to CERN? What is the real purpose of CERN?
What is Nuclear Medicine? Who are the “leaders” involved? What else is the technology used for?
The multidisciplinary nature of nuclear medicine makes it difficult for medical historians to determine the birthdate of nuclear medicine. This can probably be best placed between the discovery of artificial radioactivity in 1934 and the production of radionuclides by Oak Ridge National Laboratory for medicine-related use, in 1946.[4]
Oak Ridge National Laboratory is managed by UT–Battelle,[8] a limited liability partnership between the University of Tennessee and the Battelle Memorial Institute, formed in 2000 for that purpose.[9] The annual budget is US$1.65 billion, 80% of which is from the Department of Energy; the remainder is from various sources paying for use of the facilities.
The city of Oak Ridge was established by the Army Corps of Engineers as part of the Clinton Engineer Works in 1942 on isolated farm land as part of the Manhattan Project.[15] During the war, advanced research for the government was managed at the site by the University of Chicago's Metallurgical Laboratory
After the end of World War II the demand for weapons-grade plutonium fell and the reactor and the laboratory's 1000 employees were no longer involved in nuclear weapons.[15][18] Instead, it was used for scientific research.[17] In 1946 the first medical isotopes were produced in the X-10 reactor, and by 1950 almost 20,000 samples had been shipped to various hospitals.[17][18] As the demand for military science had fallen dramatically, the future of the lab was uncertain. Management of the lab was contracted by the US government to Monsanto; however, they withdrew in 1947.
Another project was the world's first light water reactor. With its principles of neutron moderation and fuel cooling by ordinary water, it is the direct ancestor of most modern nuclear power stations. The US Military funded much of its development, for nuclear-powered submarines and ships of the US Navy.
The US Army contracted portable nuclear reactors in 1953 for heat and electricity generation in remote military bases.[20] The reactors were designed at ORNL, produced by American Locomotive Company and used in Greenland, the Panama Canal Zone and Antarctica.
Researchers in the Biology Division studied the effects of chemicals on mice, including petrol fumes, pesticides, and tobacco.
ORNL was involved in analysing the damage to the core of the Three Mile Island Nuclear Generating Station after the accident in 1979.[18]
Also in 1972, Peter Mazur, a biologist at ORNL, froze with liquid nitrogen, thawed and implanted mouse embryos in a surrogate mother. The mouse pups were born healthy.[18] The technique is popular in the livestock industry, as it allows the embryos of valuable cattle to be transported easily and a prize cow can have multiple eggs extracted and thus, through in vitro fertilisation, have many more offspring than would naturally be possible.
In 1977 construction began for 6 metre (20 foot) superconducting electromagnets, intended to control fusion reactions. The project was an international effort: three electromagnets were produced in the US, one in Japan, one in Switzerland and the final by remaining European states. Experimentation continued into the 1980s.
In 1992, a whistleblower, Charles Varnadore, filed complaints against ORNL, alleging safety violations and retaliation by his superiors. While an administrative law judge ruled in Varnadore's favor, the Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich, overturned that ruling. However, Varnadore's case saw prime contractor Martin Marietta cited for safety violations, and ultimately led to additional whistleblower protection within DOE.[22]
In January 2019 ORNL announced a major breakthrough in its capacity to automate Pu-238 production which helped push annual production from 50 grams to 400 grams, moving closer to NASA's goal of 1.5 kilograms per year by 2025 in order to sustain its space exploration programs.
In 1953, ORNL partnered with the Argonne National Laboratory to build ORACLE (Oak Ridge Automatic Computer and Logical Engine), a computer to research nuclear physics, chemistry, biology and engineering
Summit was built for Oak Ridge National Laboratory during 2018, which benchedmarked at 122.3 petaflops. As of June 2020, Summit stands as the world's second fastest [clocked] supercomputer with 202,752 CPU cores, 27,648 Nvidia Tesla GPUs and 250 Petabytes of storage, having lost the top position to the Japanese Fugaku supercomputer.
What are the connections with the Los Alamos National Laboratory?
Thank you - please help expose the root in any way you can.
Racine is a controlled testing environment and model community for their agenda.
Brad Smith is a key advisor to the global elite on COVID, elections and Big Tech as President of Microsoft and ElectionGuard, and grew up in Racine.
Why would Brookings use Racine as the model for “How We Rise”? What is the Base of the Pyramid program designed in Racine?
Why did Racine allow a Chinese Big Tech Giant to take over the entire area with unlimited rights and control over education, industry, infrastructure, policy, and land and water rights?
The relationship between China and Racine is generations deep: https://archive.is/L3FTe (Johnson Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Council on Global Affairs, etc.)
Here are several more links to verify what has been shared.
I thought this was answered?
There was a young kid with a crazy desire to make a ton of money that ended up cutting THC vape juice with some fillers (vitamin E and who knows what else) that was doing 10s of thousands of vape cartridges a week. I vape. I make my own liquids. I am aware of how these things are mixed up which is why i switched to doing it myself because the ingredients were impossible to identify. I mean i could have been baited by news sources but the market of vape cartridges with THC exploded in my state, where it is illegal, and it was timed perfectly with these stories that came out. Nobody ever really said this was the case but once the high school kid was arrested the market dried up almost instantly and the news cycle ended. It seemed legitimately like what was going on to me and events lined up nicely. I wrote it off as....kid entered illicit drug market...made a ton of money...got caught...new spun it as a vaping issue.
This was all caused from black market THC Vape carts that used a vitamin E oil for a liquidizer which caused lipid pneumonia in the users.
It was then used by politicians like Gretchen Whitmer who wanted to ban vaping or flavored vape liquid because their states were losing millions in tax revenue and MSA payments from big tobacco.
The MSA (master settlement agreement) is a scheme where cigarette companies were allowed to continue to poison people provided they kick back a certain %age of their sales back tot he states... it's like a hidden tax on cigarette sales that is built in before the state sales taxes and sin taxes.
Nicotine vaping is KILLING the states and the tobacco companies, it allows users to put down the cigarettes and instead get that same nicotine in a harmless water vapor with food grade flavors of their choosing.
Vaping has helped millions and millions of people quit smoking forever, myself included, the "mysterious lung illness" was being used by politicians to stop that.
There were two brothers out of Wisconsin who were running a massive black market vape cart empire:
They were using the vitamin E oil and that oil can't be expelled from the lungs... it saturates the lungs and causes dry drowning.
It's exactly like what people used to get when they drank a shot of mineral oil at night to "aid digestion"... but the mineral oil would coat their mouth and throat with oil and those vapors would be inhaled into the lungs and cause lipid pneumonia.
As soon as the vitamin E oil company vanished the "mysterious lung illness" vanished.
The cause of the problem was modified juices made by users at home to get high. Ordinary vape is low risk. This story disappeared when the REAL problem was proven. But enormous damage to this industry was already done. I guess vape doesn't show enough respect for the fine Turkish tobaccos used in hookahs. WI's Vicki Porter testified before Congress at the time to argue the subject, and went viral for the way that mooing cow Tlaib shamed & accused her.
It definitely wasn’t home made nicotine vape juice. It is surprisingly easy to do at home and takes very few ingredients. Your biggest risk is either having it taste bad or putting too much nicotine into it.
I suppose the same method to make the bad thc carts could have been done at home by many people. I learned how to make juice years ago by participating in the Reddit group for juice making. There were new threads daily with people asking about making thc carts and even using vitamin e oil.
It’s funny kind of because there were a lot of really well informed users on that board that would always respond about the problems with using oils in vape and the damage it could cause to your lungs. When the cases first started appearing the entire community there immediately knew what the cause was. Yet somehow it took months and a ton of unnecessary regulation for the mystery to be solved....
By 'at home' I merely meant Not Factory Made, but yes I remember them talking about the THC and the Vitamin E elements in modified juices that caused the trouble, whereas licensed sellers products were perfectly fine and didn't deserve to be smeared or punished. But they did it anyway.
It was never in e-juice, it was always in THC carts.
When people make THC carts they are stripping resin from the flower, which is a very thick oil that isn't the right viscosity for vape carts (too thick). When you make the carts you thin out the oil with terpenes (flavor) and if it's still too thick you don't keep dumping expensive terps into the oil... you use a cheaper liquidizer (usually PV or VG)... but in these cases someone was using vitamin E oil based liquidizer and that is what caused the lung illness.
Thank you for mentioning this. I too have been puzzled why vaping injuries suddenly got memoryholed. I have been regularly following the CDC, FDA, and CPSC sites for over a decade. I was following the vaping issue as they attempted to identify a cause. I’m not sure if they even reached a conclusion. I’m now more interested in why it disappeared.
it was very conclusive and they never intended for the real cause to be discovered until after the flavored E-juice bans came down.
first they tried the "think of the children" angle by pretending that adults don't like flavor and therefor only kids would want something that tastes good.
that didn't work, so as soon as the "mysterious lung illness" appeared they tried to shove a bunch of bans through as soon as possible.
then doctors started testing lung fluid and found all of them had vitamin E acetate... the news got out, rolling stone even did an article on it, and the entire debacle was quickly hushed so they could try to salvage their flavored nicotine bans.
Don’t forget, they were calling it a “Vaping Pandemic”
I heard CT had a large number of cases, specifically in the New Haven/Fairfield area which is known to be the home of many cia/3 letter spooks.
Before the vape pandemic New Haven was hit w a powerful form of synthetic weed spice that was making people incredibly ill. Homeless and drug addicts were dropping like flies on the new Haven green, a mere feet away from Ivy League Yale Skull n Bones 223.
I suspect some of the scientists and doctors around Yale know where these infected weed carts were coming from.
What better way to distribute infected marijuana than right by a college? Made in the lab, distributed through the low level dealers.
I suspect China and 3 letter agents know where all the toxic carts are coming from. Same with the fentanyl.
At the time you could buy empty vape cartridges on Ebay and elsewhere. You could also buy brand new preprinted vape packaging that looked realistic and claimed THC content. Buy empty cartridges for cheap, fill them with whatever you want, package them in even cheaper packaging and then sell for $50 each. $47+ profit for every one you sell. I'm surprised that more didn't die.
you're 100% correct, that is EXACTLY what was going on, the dangerous ones hit the market once everyone started selling them and forced prices down... as you probably know nobody can make a real THC cart and sell it for 20 bucks and still make money.
Also, the govt attack on nicotine vaping has spilled over onto impacting the weed vapers... like me, where it's been next to impossible to find our atomizers, glass, or other dab equipment that can ship in the US. Meanwhile, the commiecrats are moving cannabis legislation forward in Congress. Fuckers dont know whether to shit or wind their watch - again.
Trial run for the Coof? These vapes are from China, after all. They beta tested and found it worked like a charm. Off to the conference in October 19 and then we're off!!
it's not possible it was both, all the people who got sick admitted to smoking black market THC carts and all those carts tested positive for vitamin E oil.
there was never one case of nicotine vape containing that oil
vape is made with PV or VG, you don't need other liquidizers for it it's already thin enough.
A lot of these were tied to black market thc oil vapes that had had vitamin e oils and that was the fatal factor.
EXACTAMUNDO!!! ??
That what THEY said. Who knows??
That wasn’t the msm story. That’s the story that was being screamed all over by the actual vape users. The poster above was correct. It was vitamin E oil which is not something that can be vaped as it builds up on your lungs. The msm story was that it was the regular vape juice casing the deaths. When it was finally proven to actually be the black market thc oil the story was just dropped. It’s the event that started me digging into all of this, actually. I’m a heavy vape user myself and I am pretty skilled at making my own juice so I knew damn well that it was a web of lies.
And where were these infected carts coming from?
Hint: the same country/agencies flooding our streets w fentanyl.
Wrong, it was a pair of brothers in wisconsin who got busted running a massive THC cart empire who were using vitamin E oil as a liquidizer in their carts.
The company who made the liquidizer was marketing it as healthier because it contained vitamins not understanding that it would cause lipid pneumonia.
Name of the company?
i don't remember the name of the company but you can find it all on the old reddit thread that talked about it. the company freaked out, pulled all their ads, and ghosted itself from the internet as fast as they could.
it was a US company who made it, they were just filling small dropper bottles with different "vitamin enhanced" liquidizers and the vitamin E oil was the one that caused all the problems.
I mean if you want to conclude that because the vitamin E oil came from a foreign company then you could, most of the vitamin and supplement ingredients come from non-domestic sources... but they weren't the ones selling it as a vitamin liquidizer for carts.
Ah! This is what I needed to hear. MANY THANKS!
Probably right, I wouldn’t rule this was coordinated, it happened right before covid, and gave them reasons to make all sorts of crazy anti vaping/pro tobacco laws.
Wisconsin you say?
HELLO WISCONSIN!
Wisconsin is in the middle of the country and makes it a good hub for distribution to both coasts.
The two brothers who were making carts had people coming to them from all over the country buying rubbermaid totes full of finished carts. they had a bunch of people working for them constructing the fake packaging, filling the carts, loading the packaging and finishing them off for sale.
I used to make carts, i know exactly how they were doing it.
You go onto a site like dhgate and order trays of empty carts, and you order the flat packed packaging for the finished product.
the flat packed packaging shows up with all the printed boxes or foil pouches and stickers you need to make the finished product appear to be a safe and legal product that comes from a tested recreational sales operation.
they are counterfeit knockoffs
the most popular ones were mario carts, dank vapes, cereals, king pens, brass nuckles, cookies...
you could order them by the case... 100, 1,000, 10,000, the more you buy the cheaper they got per unit.
i liked the king pens, they looked more professional and were an easy sale.
i only made carts for a few weeks before the prices suddenly started dropping, pretty much overnight the carts went from 40-50 bucks, down to 25-30.
i knew right away that people were filling them with bullshit, because there's no way you can fill a cart with THC extract and sell it for 25 bucks and still make money.
thats when i sold all my packaging to someone and quit screwing with it...
i still have 3 flats of 510 threaded ccell carts that i use to make my own vape carts, enough to last me forever... but now that weed is rec legal where i live there's no use in trying to sell it. people don't trust vape carts unless they are coming from a shop where they know they are tested and legal.
I wish I could make my own carts..
I don’t know if China was to blame for this. I remember there being some confusion because the affected carts were all pretty much the same brand. But that’s because they were cheap (empty) carts purchased from China. They weren’t necessarily filled in China. And just because the packaging said “dank vapes” or whatever didn’t make it a specific brand or pinpoint a specific manufacture. They could have had anything in them. Basically the real culprit was greed and stupidity and that is something that is spread across both the US and China.
Yea many could have been filled and coming from China as well, this is the same country who gave us wuhan bio-nuke and enough fentanyl to take out every man woman and child of many cities.
they weren't all the same brand.
when rec marijuana shops in CA and CO started outsourcing their packaging to china, china did what they always do and they sold that companies IP to anyone willing to fork over the cash. the guy out west who pioneered the "Brass knuckles" brand has been going through the battle with china for years now... every time he comes out with a new design to distinguish himself from the fake knockoffs... within a few weeks china is selling his new packaging to anyone with cash.
you can go on dhgate right now and still buy the ccells and the flat packed packaging complete with stickers to seal the boxes or a heat seal machine to seal the foil pouches.
dank vapes was a popular one, they were small paper boxes with cartoonish characters on the front artwork that indicated the flavor of the cart inside. they were popular for a few reasons... mainly because they were a very small box so they were easy to conceal and transport in large quantities.
this same sized box was also used for the "cereal" flavored ones that had all your favorite cartoon cereal company characters on the box. honey nut cherrios and fruity pebbles were best sellers.
exotics and mario carts came in the foil pouches and you could order a heat sealer to seal up the pouches.
i preferred the kingpens, they were a black box with the image of a king from a pack of cards. the box was bigger than the danks (and the cereals) but the finished package was much more impressive... had a sticker with that king logo to seal the box (making it look more official), and inside the box the cart was in a little black plastic pop-top tube nested in a cardboard holder. the packaging was way nicer and the black plastic tube helped prevent pressure induced leaking from temp swings. like it's own little insulated dead air space container that helped it stay intact.
when we bought them we'd buy a mixed box of 4 different "flavors" indicated on the final product box. when you made the "lemon haze" you just used lemon terps when you mixed the oil.
you could literally buy any brand packaging, with any flavor on the label, 100, 1,000, 10,000 at a time. cheaper the more you bought.
then all you needed to do was buy the empty ccell carts in flats of 100.
just search dhgate for "vape cart" and you'll see what i'm talking about.
nothing comes from china with any liquid in them, they are all empty carts and empty packaging letting you fill them with whatever you want.
responsible people filled them with THC extract.
but when that market got flooded with competition, shady people began putting all sorts of shit in them and selling them for cheap. you could literally fill them with citronella oil and idiots would smoke them.
no joke, a friend brought me one he suspected was fake and i'm convinced thats exactly what was inside it... smelled like it, flowed like it... i didn't try hitting it but he said when he did it tasted like a mosquito candle.
people suck.
Yeah, notice how quickly they tried to ban vaping at the national level? All the vape sections immediately wiped out from the shelves while the tobacco remained. Big tobacco doesn't like their market share being threatened, so they try to outlaw the competition or at least push regulation in which they would have the resources to accommodate dominating that market too.
Thats bullshit.
"The official story" was that it was caused by fucking juul pods and politicians used that to try to ban nicotine vaping so they could stop the bleeding of tax revenue from people stopping smoking cigarettes.
If you read the long post i made in this thread it's all about the MSA
the "master settlement agreement" is a scheme where big tobacco pays states a portion of SALES within their state. so the more cigarettes they sell in a state like michigan, the more money big tobacco pays the state.
This is why Grethcen wHitler came out immediately trying to ban flavored nicotine vapes, because flavored vapes are costing states billions of dollars that these states took out loans against future/projected revenue.
Yes, I read it and deleted my other responses. Your expertise is GOLD. I was vaping in 2019 and was kinda interested as all that was going down. Kudos ?? Edit: NOW I REMEMBER yeah, the tobacco MSA deal, right-on.
I know a lot of guys here who were all making and selling carts in 2018. we were one of the first ones in the region who were making them because I found the counterfeit packaging when was buying and selling glass bongs to head shops using dhgate. the packaging was all from china, all based on retail packaging from recreational shops out in california. those shops were using china to make the packaging for them, so china (as they do with everything) started selling that same packaging to everyone.
we would purchase flats of 510 threaded ccell carts, and then mixed packaging of king pen boxes and stickers to make the final product. From there you would make THC concentrate, mix and decarb it on a stirring hot plate in a beaker, cut with some terpenes (flavor) then while it was still warm inject the oil into the carts and screw the mouth pieces back on.
it took some trial and error to get the viscosity right, if you know what you're doing you can achieve the proper viscosity without liquidizers... but the guys who were doing this as a hobby often just melted down some wax, splashed in some terps and then added liquidizers until they hit the right mix that would vape in a cart without running out.
We set up a nice little business, but it only lasted for a short time until everyone and their brother began selling them and the price dropped out.
it went from no problem selling them all day at 40 bucks... and people thought they wee getting a deal...
to pretty much over night people were selling them for 20 bucks.
i can tell you right now there's no way in hell you can make a cart that makes you money selling at 20 bucks unless it's full of vitamin E oil and fentanyl.
they chose this particular vitamin E oil because it had an amber color to it... so it mimiced the look of a real cart.
as soon as the market got flooded with fake dangerous bullshit we got the fuck out and stopped selling them.
i still make my own for personal use, i've got enough ccell carts sitting here to last a lifetime... but i watched it all happen... and i was running around this area well before the lung illness started warning people that the "cheap carts" were going to make people sick.
nobody listened, because they all just thought i was trying to justify "ripping them off" with a real cart that cost 40, when they could buy a fake cart for 20.
it really bothers me now to see people calling the vitamin E oil "the official story", it absolutely was not the official story until people like be began to sound the alarm that it wasn't nicotine vape, but fake carts.
Gotcha, hey thanks for taking all your time writing that. A great re-education. I always admit when I’m wrong or mis-informed. Many peeps don’t. We’re here to digg and learn to help educate others no matter the subject. -Peace Bro
Yes I’ve heard that too, they borrow money anticipating cig sales but the cig market is crashing.
Same reason CT is taking so long to legalize weed. Alc Tobac and private prison industry.
yeah just look into the "MSA" it's fucking despicable
"The official story" was that nicotine vapes, after over a decade of being widely used with ZERO issue, mysteriously began causing lung illness. this was then used in a failed attempt to bring down the nicotine vaping industry.
But people like me blew the whistle on the entire story when the truth started coming out and stopped the politicians from shutting down the industry.
"the official story" fell the fuck apart when people started screaming from the rooftops that it wasn't nicotine vaping, but illicit THC carts containing vitamin E acetate that was causing the issue.
It's kinda shitty that two years later people are now confusing the THC vitamin E oil carts FACT as "the official story".
Tainted THC carts wasn't "the official story", it was the fucking truth that saved the nicotine vaping industry from big government authoritarian FUCKING GARBAGE.
While I do believe the MSM was hyping that as the cause, I do know a couple of pot heads that will literally vape anything they think might get them high. Lol
I suspect the vaping issues were largely overblown, much like COVID.
In this case, on behalf of the the tobacco companies/lobbies.
that's exactly what it is. I can't buy vape juice online anymore which was a huge red flag for me. Vaping may kill a few people but cigarettes kill waaaaaay more people. I believe this to be by design. I used to smoke but have been vaping for the past 5 years. My lungs have never felt cleaner (obviously not compared to pre-smoking)
cutting into big tobacco's profits.
The only vaping deaths I know of were related to defective batteries... wonder where those were made... ?
As a former industry insider on this, I can verify you are correct. Vaping is proven 95% healthier than smoking. So it needs to be shut down immediately... Follow the money, as always...
Are we back to Racine again?
it wasn't just in wisconsin, it was all over the country, a doctor in nebraska is the one who tied it to vitamin E oil inside black market THC vape carts which caused lipid pneumonia.
Not entirely sure about the Wisconsin angle.
Someone else suggested the vaping 'deaths' were rolled into COVID, that would make sense.
They are in the process of outlawing vaping up here in Canada. The politician/'health expert' spear heading that is also the same one who said 'vitamin-D helping with COVID is fake news', so, that goes to show how she'll handle this.
Gun shot wound? COVID. Motorcycle accident? COVID. Tax audit? COVID. Boyfriend dump you? COVID.
According to the symptoms,ive had covid for the last 30 years.
https://www.rt.com/news/524936-china-usa-covid19-biden-detrick/
You'll also remember there was a respiratory illness outbreak in northern VA in the general area of Ft Detrick.
Ft Detrick is in central MD, not NoVA.
But I think the northern VA care homes involved were close to one another at least. And it happened within the month (I think) of Detrick being shut down that summer. Anyways, at the time I remember a map showing the location of Ft Detrick in relation to the homes, and they looked all close enough, though I didn't pay attention to the bar scale of the map.
Time does that to memory. Check out a map. Detrick is about 45 minutes from the American Legion bridge (closest point to MD)
u/BoatingAccident - were they experimenting on soldiers with both sprays and vaping where they could track and monitor their health?
Did they then turn their attention to specific targets and targeted communities? Why would they target the Racine community on purpose both with vaping and spraying? What has been shared about Racine for so many years? What happened to some of the people who were sharing the information and others who were investigating?
Some of the first vaping deaths were in the Racine area, and many people in the Racine area suddenly fell extremely ill with the exact symptoms of COVID. The doctors were very vague, confused and alarmed by what they saw. There was no follow up, there was no investigation. Delegates from China were also in the area during that time for both China Lights events and Foxconn Industrial Internet developments. Fii is based in Shenzhen, China which is the model CCP socialist community as Racine is in the U.S.
There was also a major vaping distribution scandal in the area around the same time involving the Racine County Sheriff who was allegedly having affairs with the main suspects. It was all covered up and swept under the rug.
Who else were they trying to eliminate in the Racine area? Why would assistants to the most powerful people in the area use private health and financial records to target, stalk, attack and threaten any possible witnesses to extreme crimes involving these families and groups?
Why would Loretta Lynch, Jim Comey, Andy McCabe, Peter Kadzik, Sally Yates and other high ranking officials personally intervene into cases around the Racine area to target and silence known witnesses to key events?
Racine is a completely controlled community in close connection with certain agencies and institutions. There is a reason why one of these agencies heavily recruits from Cornell, linked closely with Fauci, Gates and Racine.
Thank you for shedding light on this. Racine is the biggest story in the world, and the model for COVID, elections, Big Tech, Rotary and vaccine programs, Sustainable Development, Community Policing, quantum computing, resilient communities and the real agenda of global and eternal enslavement.
This is not conjecture, a game, or a LARP.
Everything shared about Racine since the beginning is The Truth.
Why is the University of Wisconsin closely tied to CERN? What is the real purpose of CERN?
What is Nuclear Medicine? Who are the “leaders” involved? What else is the technology used for?
What are the connections with the Los Alamos National Laboratory?
What are Jeff Epstein’s connection to the Lab and why were he and NXIVM blackmailing science and tech elites?
What was Jeff and Bill Gates involved with beyond pedo and trafficking crimes? Nuclear and bioweapons programs?
Maybe the future model for other things too..
Detrick.
Check out TrusttheTruth's comments at: https://greatawakening.win/u/TrusttheTruth
He has A LOT to say about Wisconsin and the people and entities associated with it. He also has mentioned the vaping anomalies there as well.
Thank you - please help expose the root in any way you can.
Racine is a controlled testing environment and model community for their agenda.
Brad Smith is a key advisor to the global elite on COVID, elections and Big Tech as President of Microsoft and ElectionGuard, and grew up in Racine.
Why would Brookings use Racine as the model for “How We Rise”? What is the Base of the Pyramid program designed in Racine?
Why did Racine allow a Chinese Big Tech Giant to take over the entire area with unlimited rights and control over education, industry, infrastructure, policy, and land and water rights?
The relationship between China and Racine is generations deep: https://archive.is/L3FTe (Johnson Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Atlantic Council, Trilateral Commission, CFR, Council on Global Affairs, etc.)
Here are several more links to verify what has been shared.
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2017/10/19/the-green-bay-packers-and-microsoft-team-up-to-bring-the-worlds-innovations-and-tech-expertise-to-the-heart-of-wisconsin/
https://news.mit.edu/2020/microsoft-president-brad-smith-talks-data-covid-19-why-we-should-worry-about-digital-9-11-0521
https://time.com/5669537/brad-smith-microsoft-big-tech/
https://news.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/05/13/microsoft-electionguard-pilot-wisconsin/
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/30/racine-lawsuit-tests-how-much-power-local-officials-have-amid-covid-19/3284631001/
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2020/03/31/biden-endorses-milwaukee-racine-school-referendums-unusual-move/5094687002/
https://www.fox6now.com/news/new-covid-19-spit-test-being-studied-in-racine-may-bring-faster-results
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/special-reports/2018/04/06/foxconns-promised-jobs-boom-could-sputter-few-miles-away-racine/382026002/
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/may/25/microsoft-s-electionguard-a-trojan-horse-for-a-military-industrial-takeover-of-us-elections/
http://www.thewheelerreport.com/wheeler_docs/files/0703mason.pdf
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/23/microsoft-exec-brad-smith-praises-fireeye-in-solarwinds-hack-testimony.html
China unveils plan to build Shenzhen into model socialist city https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-10-11/China-unveils-plan-to-build-Shenzhen-into-socialist-demonstration-area-UviJHYziXC/index.html
Racine, Climate Mayors and Paris Agreement http://www.thewheelerreport.com/wheeler_docs/files/0703mason.pdf
Here is the testimony from Kline about this exact “flow of Zuckerberg’s money” to Racine https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1337477357947527171
Election scandal “roots” in Racine https://wisconsinspotlight.com/election-scandal-roots-in-racine/
Did WI-5 mayors break the law? https://wisconsinspotlight.com/did-wi-5-mayors-break-the-law/
I thought this was answered? There was a young kid with a crazy desire to make a ton of money that ended up cutting THC vape juice with some fillers (vitamin E and who knows what else) that was doing 10s of thousands of vape cartridges a week. I vape. I make my own liquids. I am aware of how these things are mixed up which is why i switched to doing it myself because the ingredients were impossible to identify. I mean i could have been baited by news sources but the market of vape cartridges with THC exploded in my state, where it is illegal, and it was timed perfectly with these stories that came out. Nobody ever really said this was the case but once the high school kid was arrested the market dried up almost instantly and the news cycle ended. It seemed legitimately like what was going on to me and events lined up nicely. I wrote it off as....kid entered illicit drug market...made a ton of money...got caught...new spun it as a vaping issue.
Big Ag (tobacco) effectively killed the vaping market.
Can vaping cause cancer?
https://files.catbox.moe/obfpak.pdf
This has already been figured out.
This was all caused from black market THC Vape carts that used a vitamin E oil for a liquidizer which caused lipid pneumonia in the users.
It was then used by politicians like Gretchen Whitmer who wanted to ban vaping or flavored vape liquid because their states were losing millions in tax revenue and MSA payments from big tobacco.
The MSA (master settlement agreement) is a scheme where cigarette companies were allowed to continue to poison people provided they kick back a certain %age of their sales back tot he states... it's like a hidden tax on cigarette sales that is built in before the state sales taxes and sin taxes.
Nicotine vaping is KILLING the states and the tobacco companies, it allows users to put down the cigarettes and instead get that same nicotine in a harmless water vapor with food grade flavors of their choosing.
Vaping has helped millions and millions of people quit smoking forever, myself included, the "mysterious lung illness" was being used by politicians to stop that.
There were two brothers out of Wisconsin who were running a massive black market vape cart empire:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wisconsin-brothers-accused-running-illegal-thc-vape-cartridge/story?id=65558903
They were using the vitamin E oil and that oil can't be expelled from the lungs... it saturates the lungs and causes dry drowning.
It's exactly like what people used to get when they drank a shot of mineral oil at night to "aid digestion"... but the mineral oil would coat their mouth and throat with oil and those vapors would be inhaled into the lungs and cause lipid pneumonia.
As soon as the vitamin E oil company vanished the "mysterious lung illness" vanished.
The cause of the problem was modified juices made by users at home to get high. Ordinary vape is low risk. This story disappeared when the REAL problem was proven. But enormous damage to this industry was already done. I guess vape doesn't show enough respect for the fine Turkish tobaccos used in hookahs. WI's Vicki Porter testified before Congress at the time to argue the subject, and went viral for the way that mooing cow Tlaib shamed & accused her.
It definitely wasn’t home made nicotine vape juice. It is surprisingly easy to do at home and takes very few ingredients. Your biggest risk is either having it taste bad or putting too much nicotine into it.
I suppose the same method to make the bad thc carts could have been done at home by many people. I learned how to make juice years ago by participating in the Reddit group for juice making. There were new threads daily with people asking about making thc carts and even using vitamin e oil.
It’s funny kind of because there were a lot of really well informed users on that board that would always respond about the problems with using oils in vape and the damage it could cause to your lungs. When the cases first started appearing the entire community there immediately knew what the cause was. Yet somehow it took months and a ton of unnecessary regulation for the mystery to be solved....
you're 100% right, i was there reading those same threads.
nobody listened.
it wasn't at home nicotine vaping, it was black market THC carts using vitamin E oil as a liquidizer.
By 'at home' I merely meant Not Factory Made, but yes I remember them talking about the THC and the Vitamin E elements in modified juices that caused the trouble, whereas licensed sellers products were perfectly fine and didn't deserve to be smeared or punished. But they did it anyway.
It was never in e-juice, it was always in THC carts.
When people make THC carts they are stripping resin from the flower, which is a very thick oil that isn't the right viscosity for vape carts (too thick). When you make the carts you thin out the oil with terpenes (flavor) and if it's still too thick you don't keep dumping expensive terps into the oil... you use a cheaper liquidizer (usually PV or VG)... but in these cases someone was using vitamin E oil based liquidizer and that is what caused the lung illness.
Thank you for mentioning this. I too have been puzzled why vaping injuries suddenly got memoryholed. I have been regularly following the CDC, FDA, and CPSC sites for over a decade. I was following the vaping issue as they attempted to identify a cause. I’m not sure if they even reached a conclusion. I’m now more interested in why it disappeared.
they reached a conclusion and as soon as that conclusion didn't fit with "nicotine vaping is causing this" they dropped the story and memoryholed it.
it was caused by black market THC carts that were made with vitamin E oil as a liquidizer which cause lipid pneumonia.
Politicians were attempting to use this "mystery lung illness" to ban vaping... it didn't work... they moved onto new propaganda.
That’s kinda the conclusion I came to but it obviously was not satisfying of an explanation.
it was very conclusive and they never intended for the real cause to be discovered until after the flavored E-juice bans came down.
first they tried the "think of the children" angle by pretending that adults don't like flavor and therefor only kids would want something that tastes good.
that didn't work, so as soon as the "mysterious lung illness" appeared they tried to shove a bunch of bans through as soon as possible.
then doctors started testing lung fluid and found all of them had vitamin E acetate... the news got out, rolling stone even did an article on it, and the entire debacle was quickly hushed so they could try to salvage their flavored nicotine bans.
I see, interesting, thanks for catching me up!
Don’t forget, they were calling it a “Vaping Pandemic”
I heard CT had a large number of cases, specifically in the New Haven/Fairfield area which is known to be the home of many cia/3 letter spooks.
Before the vape pandemic New Haven was hit w a powerful form of synthetic weed spice that was making people incredibly ill. Homeless and drug addicts were dropping like flies on the new Haven green, a mere feet away from Ivy League Yale Skull n Bones 223.
I suspect some of the scientists and doctors around Yale know where these infected weed carts were coming from.
What better way to distribute infected marijuana than right by a college? Made in the lab, distributed through the low level dealers.
I suspect China and 3 letter agents know where all the toxic carts are coming from. Same with the fentanyl.
I am thinking they are tied together for that same exact reason as well.
Not to mention tobacco death cult involved.
At the time you could buy empty vape cartridges on Ebay and elsewhere. You could also buy brand new preprinted vape packaging that looked realistic and claimed THC content. Buy empty cartridges for cheap, fill them with whatever you want, package them in even cheaper packaging and then sell for $50 each. $47+ profit for every one you sell. I'm surprised that more didn't die.
you're 100% correct, that is EXACTLY what was going on, the dangerous ones hit the market once everyone started selling them and forced prices down... as you probably know nobody can make a real THC cart and sell it for 20 bucks and still make money.
Also, the govt attack on nicotine vaping has spilled over onto impacting the weed vapers... like me, where it's been next to impossible to find our atomizers, glass, or other dab equipment that can ship in the US. Meanwhile, the commiecrats are moving cannabis legislation forward in Congress. Fuckers dont know whether to shit or wind their watch - again.
Those are counted as COVID deaths now.
Oh yeah, had forgotten about those. I thought it was supposed to be a bad batch of liquid that was contaminated.
Trial run for the Coof? These vapes are from China, after all. They beta tested and found it worked like a charm. Off to the conference in October 19 and then we're off!!
wrong, it was black market THC carts that were made with vitamin E oil.
it's not possible it was both, all the people who got sick admitted to smoking black market THC carts and all those carts tested positive for vitamin E oil.
there was never one case of nicotine vape containing that oil
vape is made with PV or VG, you don't need other liquidizers for it it's already thin enough.
Contaminated with what? I don't suppose they were dispatched from Hubei Province were they?