Time to ask for more money. That should make things bearable short term while they look for a job elsewhere. Probably should ask for a week of paid sick leave due to the effect workplace threats have had on your mental health. Could use that week to start the job hunt.
No point staying around. The cunt has already shown her hand. She will be waiting patiently for the opportunity to strike again once the odds tip back in her favor. Milk them for all they have and move on.
Be as kind and loyal to people as you can until they give you a reason not to.
If this ever happens to any frogs here, you now have immense leverage. You were ready to walk, and now all the negotiating power is in your hands.
… Dentists make BANK folks, it’s a hell of a lot more lucrative than most doctors make, and it’s hardly a stressful job. And their malpractice insurance is hardly a drop in the bucket.
Hey brother, checking in to give you a different scoop on dentistry.
...It's stressful as fuck. No one likes a worried / not confident dentist, so we all act* to a certain extent. Please ask your dentist next time how often he/she feels stressed. I've seen polls ranging from 50-70% of dentists feeling burned out or stressed with a range of 15-26% that had considered suicide at some point. There's a reason why we have the highest suicide rate out there (or 2nd highest).
Stresses off the top of my head are small mouths, patients that can't be seated back, running behind schedule, unhappy patients, difficult cases, threats of litigation, cosmetic dentistry, root canal files breaking, extractions failing (everyone dentist has had a handful), post-op sensitivity or damage to nerves, management of staff, managing overhead. And there's always more to learn or refine.
I also know older dentists with back pain, wrist pain, tendonitis, herniated discs. I know many who have hearing loss. And I know many with neurological diseases such as Parkinson's which is devastating.
We make money because of those stresses and because of the strain on our mental and physical health. I'm leaving work today and I'm mentally drained with a back that's fucking aching because I worked on an upper tooth of a patient who couldn't be seated back, and had a patient who could only open a hair. Oh yeah, and my staff is pressuring me to get the vaccine, and I'm going to resist the Newsom mandate so that's gonna be interesting.
Thanks for the check-in fren… your story is quite different then the dentists I do know. And sounds like you’re in it for the profession and vocation and not for the big bucks. Kudos to you and keep up the resistance on the fool’s mandates …
Curiously, what are your thoughts on the industry use of amalgam filings (Mercury) in patients?
Hate them, not safe. We're actually required to filter for amalgam fillings as we replace them (so they don't go down public sewers, etc), and then we also have to pay for a hazardous waste service to take them.
I think this is microcosm of a lot of healthcare businesses right now. "Get the jab or you're fired!"...Ahhhh fuck off!! I know my place has been having business continuity meetings because a ton of people told them to eat shit! If we stand strong they will blink,.
Make them fire you. Make them suffer the mental trauma of looking you in the eye and saying “you’re fired”. Normal people do not like that. It makes your legal cases a bit more firm, unemployment and etc. Replacing you is expensive too.
Also, make them acknowledge: "You are firing me because I refuse to get an experimental vaccine that is known to have serious side effects, up to and including death, for an illness that has a 99.97% recovery rate and higher if you follow one of the protocols that works to treat it."
Let's weigh the options: a job and death/heart issues for the rest of your life or life.
Yeah, it's a no brainer.
Source: I've heard now of three people that have heart or heart related issues since taking the vax. At least one got covid after it. I haven't known anyone to pass, thankfully. Hearing about a lot of miscarriages lately, too. Not sure if vaxxed or not.
My first instinct is to say to hell with the Dentist. She deserves what she gets. But I'm trying. I'm trying so hard to love my fellow man and forgive. To do the right thing. I'm praying for the wisdom and the strength to not give in to the divisiveness, for they do not know what they are doing. They have not been woken to the evil that is coming for us all. It's hard. So very hard.
That might depend, honestly. They clearly haven't taken the time to question why people wouldn't want the vaccine. If she's open to listening, then this might be a valuable teaching moment for her. That's lost if you quit anyway.
It doesn't hurt to put more irons in the fire if she's unwilling to listen, but just storming out in anger after she's already backtracked may not be the wisest decision.
I agree with everything you just said but...it would be wise to start looking for another job since the dentist has already shown her true colors. She only caved because her business cannot survive when half the employees leave - guaranteed the dentist will be actively recruiting their replacements and once she has them, she'll can these employees.
It's one thing when it's a faceless HR idiot, or someone with whom you have very little contact, handing you a mandate like this. It's another entirely when it's someone who looks you in the eyes regularly throughout the day, and then gives you an ultimatum in a stern letter instead of talking to you one-on-one.
Someone who would do something like this, after frequent eye contact, is not to be trusted. The barrier to unreasonable demands by Karen-ish delivery has been broken, and even if it didn't work this time, it will happen again. You need a good relationship in such a small office, and the good relationship is gone--because it never really existed.
I think its more egregious that this is a DOCTOR. Granted, a dentist, but sitll educated enough to read and understand this medical maneuvering that is so important it affects the GLOBE. That, THAT, is scary. THAT is not someone who's medical (any) decisions I could trust. No critical thinking is a lack of intelligence. Monkeys can memorize.
That's my point. She apparently hasn't question anything. Now would be a good opportunity to teach her. I'm saying to be ready to find a new job regardless, but at least try to use this moment to tell her why you won't take the vaccine. Simply getting angry and taking your ball home doesn't do anything productive, aside from removing you from the situation altogether.
Permanent loss of trust. I'd tell the dentist to kick rocks.
I just had this convo with my company. They approved me for permanent WFH earlier this year and I gave up my physical office. They revoked that and said if I don't come in, I'm terminated, but their mandate is vaccinated, medical and religious exemptions to come into office. Being well read and coming to a different informed opinion about your health isn't on that list, so I said fire me and expected to contact my lawyer. They said hold on and silently sent me an email a week later approving a permanent home office. I then got an email 3 days later for a 6 figure special stock award. 😂
Last time they did this, the big boss challenged employees to find better pay at another company. I called up a buddy and went for an interview. They gave me an offer at the end so we started to negotiate (I heard it would be a 30% increase). I said "honestly, I just wanna make what I make now" and showed them. They said no... but the fucked up part is that their hiring manager was friends with my boss so they contacted him directly to confirm my pay. He scheduled an urgent meeting and started it off with "what in the actual fuck" 😂😂 aaaaaand he gave me a $20k salary raise to stay.
It pays to 1) be top brass in your industry 2) have enormous nads.
Should have asked her why she cared as long as they were vaxxed?
Also you may have more concern that the Vaxxed will get you sick.
My wife and I just came down with something, wife went and took the PCR test so she could get her sick time covered. Of course the test said she was Covid positive.
Weird coincidence is that my niece and her boyfriend stayed with us for 2 weeks and they were completely Vaxxed. Wonder if that's why we got sick?
Well now she has 4 employees that don’t trust her and resent her. She gained nothing and lost more than she will ever understand. These people are stupid. Employees are not your prisoners and if you treat them that way they will always find a way to screw you.
Never quit. Never, ever, ever quit. Don't resign. Make them force you out.
Then, turn it around on them. The four of you should sign a letter and give it to the rest of the dentists saying that you no longer feel comfortable in the work environment, and if that dentist doesn't resign in seven days then you will all stop showing up to work until she's gone.
This is dependent on how many dentists the office has of course. If it's just two dentists, this might not work. 3-4 or more...
Either way, that was just round one. They will find another excuse to let you go later and are probably looking for replacements right now.
Same thing with my wife and her work. My wife IS THE ONLY PERSON who is unvaxxed at the company! Her liberal authoritarian boss tried so desperately to force it on her. I told my wife “fuck it, put in your 2 weeks” the moment she did that, her tuned changed completely. Don’t call their bluff
Honestly, CAN YOU IMAGINE?! What is WRONG with an employer who, in a small office environment where probably everyone feels like family, suddenly THREATENS her staff to get vaxxed or get terminated?? Good for the 4 of you who stood up and said no, because who was it then who folded like a lawn chair?! But this is very damaging to morale. I think, had it been me, I’d have said, “c’mon frens, we’re out of here!” and leave her standing with her mouth hanging open, wondering how she was going to deal with patients tomorrow. There’s gotta be some real push back on these people because this whole debacle is turning perfectly normal people into crazed tyrants.
The sad thing is, they only come to their human kindness senses. When it involves their financial success.
And may they all go completely broke!!
Time to ask for more money. That should make things bearable short term while they look for a job elsewhere. Probably should ask for a week of paid sick leave due to the effect workplace threats have had on your mental health. Could use that week to start the job hunt.
No point staying around. The cunt has already shown her hand. She will be waiting patiently for the opportunity to strike again once the odds tip back in her favor. Milk them for all they have and move on.
Be as kind and loyal to people as you can until they give you a reason not to.
yeah for sure. make the dentist feel the pain
Dr. Christian Szell enters the chat..."Is it safe??" 😁
Nice!
Stand strong. We are shoulder to shoulder with you 3. We are the majority!
^^^^ This!
If this ever happens to any frogs here, you now have immense leverage. You were ready to walk, and now all the negotiating power is in your hands.
… Dentists make BANK folks, it’s a hell of a lot more lucrative than most doctors make, and it’s hardly a stressful job. And their malpractice insurance is hardly a drop in the bucket.
Hey brother, checking in to give you a different scoop on dentistry.
...It's stressful as fuck. No one likes a worried / not confident dentist, so we all act* to a certain extent. Please ask your dentist next time how often he/she feels stressed. I've seen polls ranging from 50-70% of dentists feeling burned out or stressed with a range of 15-26% that had considered suicide at some point. There's a reason why we have the highest suicide rate out there (or 2nd highest).
Stresses off the top of my head are small mouths, patients that can't be seated back, running behind schedule, unhappy patients, difficult cases, threats of litigation, cosmetic dentistry, root canal files breaking, extractions failing (everyone dentist has had a handful), post-op sensitivity or damage to nerves, management of staff, managing overhead. And there's always more to learn or refine.
I also know older dentists with back pain, wrist pain, tendonitis, herniated discs. I know many who have hearing loss. And I know many with neurological diseases such as Parkinson's which is devastating.
We make money because of those stresses and because of the strain on our mental and physical health. I'm leaving work today and I'm mentally drained with a back that's fucking aching because I worked on an upper tooth of a patient who couldn't be seated back, and had a patient who could only open a hair. Oh yeah, and my staff is pressuring me to get the vaccine, and I'm going to resist the Newsom mandate so that's gonna be interesting.
Thanks for the check-in fren… your story is quite different then the dentists I do know. And sounds like you’re in it for the profession and vocation and not for the big bucks. Kudos to you and keep up the resistance on the fool’s mandates …
Curiously, what are your thoughts on the industry use of amalgam filings (Mercury) in patients?
Hate them, not safe. We're actually required to filter for amalgam fillings as we replace them (so they don't go down public sewers, etc), and then we also have to pay for a hazardous waste service to take them.
Insanity isn’t it. I’m assuming you’re a biological dentist then?
We went through this a few months back at our work place. Told them the will have to fire me. At the moment im still there. Unjabbed.
Ask for a raise, you have leverage. They haven’t fired you because the cost to replace you is too high.
Do not waste this opportunity.
I wouldnt push it dude
Grocery store workers are at risk right? High risk jobs pay more.
Kudos to those folks....just say NO
I think this is microcosm of a lot of healthcare businesses right now. "Get the jab or you're fired!"...Ahhhh fuck off!! I know my place has been having business continuity meetings because a ton of people told them to eat shit! If we stand strong they will blink,.
Make them fire you. Make them suffer the mental trauma of looking you in the eye and saying “you’re fired”. Normal people do not like that. It makes your legal cases a bit more firm, unemployment and etc. Replacing you is expensive too.
Also, make them acknowledge: "You are firing me because I refuse to get an experimental vaccine that is known to have serious side effects, up to and including death, for an illness that has a 99.97% recovery rate and higher if you follow one of the protocols that works to treat it."
Good point…
But, the dental hygienist did exactly the WRONG thing. NEVER quit.
Let's weigh the options: a job and death/heart issues for the rest of your life or life.
Yeah, it's a no brainer.
Source: I've heard now of three people that have heart or heart related issues since taking the vax. At least one got covid after it. I haven't known anyone to pass, thankfully. Hearing about a lot of miscarriages lately, too. Not sure if vaxxed or not.
Our friend was 5 months pregnant, got jabbed, immediately lost the baby
My first instinct is to say to hell with the Dentist. She deserves what she gets. But I'm trying. I'm trying so hard to love my fellow man and forgive. To do the right thing. I'm praying for the wisdom and the strength to not give in to the divisiveness, for they do not know what they are doing. They have not been woken to the evil that is coming for us all. It's hard. So very hard.
The audacity alone would have me out that door baby bye bye bye (bye bye)
It ain't no lie!
Fuck them, showed their true colors. Hand in your resignation anyway.
That might depend, honestly. They clearly haven't taken the time to question why people wouldn't want the vaccine. If she's open to listening, then this might be a valuable teaching moment for her. That's lost if you quit anyway.
It doesn't hurt to put more irons in the fire if she's unwilling to listen, but just storming out in anger after she's already backtracked may not be the wisest decision.
I agree with everything you just said but...it would be wise to start looking for another job since the dentist has already shown her true colors. She only caved because her business cannot survive when half the employees leave - guaranteed the dentist will be actively recruiting their replacements and once she has them, she'll can these employees.
It's one thing when it's a faceless HR idiot, or someone with whom you have very little contact, handing you a mandate like this. It's another entirely when it's someone who looks you in the eyes regularly throughout the day, and then gives you an ultimatum in a stern letter instead of talking to you one-on-one.
Someone who would do something like this, after frequent eye contact, is not to be trusted. The barrier to unreasonable demands by Karen-ish delivery has been broken, and even if it didn't work this time, it will happen again. You need a good relationship in such a small office, and the good relationship is gone--because it never really existed.
I think its more egregious that this is a DOCTOR. Granted, a dentist, but sitll educated enough to read and understand this medical maneuvering that is so important it affects the GLOBE. That, THAT, is scary. THAT is not someone who's medical (any) decisions I could trust. No critical thinking is a lack of intelligence. Monkeys can memorize.
They haven’t take the time because the propaganda has them convinced the only reason is because you are cuckoo. Like half of America.
That's my point. She apparently hasn't question anything. Now would be a good opportunity to teach her. I'm saying to be ready to find a new job regardless, but at least try to use this moment to tell her why you won't take the vaccine. Simply getting angry and taking your ball home doesn't do anything productive, aside from removing you from the situation altogether.
Just for trying to pull that shit you should all quit and put her ass out of business.
Permanent loss of trust. I'd tell the dentist to kick rocks.
I just had this convo with my company. They approved me for permanent WFH earlier this year and I gave up my physical office. They revoked that and said if I don't come in, I'm terminated, but their mandate is vaccinated, medical and religious exemptions to come into office. Being well read and coming to a different informed opinion about your health isn't on that list, so I said fire me and expected to contact my lawyer. They said hold on and silently sent me an email a week later approving a permanent home office. I then got an email 3 days later for a 6 figure special stock award. 😂
Last time they did this, the big boss challenged employees to find better pay at another company. I called up a buddy and went for an interview. They gave me an offer at the end so we started to negotiate (I heard it would be a 30% increase). I said "honestly, I just wanna make what I make now" and showed them. They said no... but the fucked up part is that their hiring manager was friends with my boss so they contacted him directly to confirm my pay. He scheduled an urgent meeting and started it off with "what in the actual fuck" 😂😂 aaaaaand he gave me a $20k salary raise to stay.
It pays to 1) be top brass in your industry 2) have enormous nads.
20 fucking k.???.?.?? Wtf do you do
Super leet code - $760k TC
In English?
Software architect, yearly salary + bonus is total compensation (TC)
fuck me lol i'm in the wrong job
Quit anyway.
Imagine working for somebody who is such an asshat they tried to claim dominion over your body.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jvuDvtdQ/donald-j-trumpbullies-never-figh/c/
Look for a new job anyways.
Should have asked her why she cared as long as they were vaxxed? Also you may have more concern that the Vaxxed will get you sick. My wife and I just came down with something, wife went and took the PCR test so she could get her sick time covered. Of course the test said she was Covid positive. Weird coincidence is that my niece and her boyfriend stayed with us for 2 weeks and they were completely Vaxxed. Wonder if that's why we got sick?
Well now she has 4 employees that don’t trust her and resent her. She gained nothing and lost more than she will ever understand. These people are stupid. Employees are not your prisoners and if you treat them that way they will always find a way to screw you.
My thoughts exactly. You put it way better than I did!
Yep. She showed she holds her staff in contempt and has no respect or loyalty.
Never quit. Never, ever, ever quit. Don't resign. Make them force you out.
Then, turn it around on them. The four of you should sign a letter and give it to the rest of the dentists saying that you no longer feel comfortable in the work environment, and if that dentist doesn't resign in seven days then you will all stop showing up to work until she's gone.
This is dependent on how many dentists the office has of course. If it's just two dentists, this might not work. 3-4 or more...
Either way, that was just round one. They will find another excuse to let you go later and are probably looking for replacements right now.
And this is all it takes to stand against tyranny. Stand together and say no.
#Winning
That’s it boys, never comply never fold!
Fuck you give me a pay increase!
Hope they left anyway.
My work place was given a "voluntary and confidential" survey re vaccine status to survey us to "help" them with their back to work "calculations". 🤔🤨
Ni66a please.
This is the key. There are far more of us then them. Remember it always.
Awesome!
Bravo!! Good work!! Stick together and WIN!!
Make sure you get her retraction in writing. It doesn't matter what she says, what matters is what is in writing.
Same thing with my wife and her work. My wife IS THE ONLY PERSON who is unvaxxed at the company! Her liberal authoritarian boss tried so desperately to force it on her. I told my wife “fuck it, put in your 2 weeks” the moment she did that, her tuned changed completely. Don’t call their bluff
Honestly, CAN YOU IMAGINE?! What is WRONG with an employer who, in a small office environment where probably everyone feels like family, suddenly THREATENS her staff to get vaxxed or get terminated?? Good for the 4 of you who stood up and said no, because who was it then who folded like a lawn chair?! But this is very damaging to morale. I think, had it been me, I’d have said, “c’mon frens, we’re out of here!” and leave her standing with her mouth hanging open, wondering how she was going to deal with patients tomorrow. There’s gotta be some real push back on these people because this whole debacle is turning perfectly normal people into crazed tyrants.
Who wants to bet the dentist didn't get it herself?