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VaccinesCauseSIDS 51 points ago +51 / -0

remember when they claimed they buried ObL at sea, in accordance with a sacred muslim tradition that doesn't actually exist?

fuqmsm-69 38 points ago +38 / -0

How convenient that was, I can't wait for the day that they find out we aren't as dumb as they think we are.

VaccinesCauseSIDS 21 points ago +22 / -1

well, its like this... the establishment has been able to create and dictate reality to everyone else, for thousands of years,

and its only since the availability of the internet that the common person is able to find "alternative" information.

i was in a room full of high school age kids, and i asked them each, in front of the entire group, if they believed that men had walked on the moon, and not one single one of them believed it.

this made me happy, and gave me hope for the future

ImBillCurtis 12 points ago +12 / -0

I used to be that guy that would stawartly regurgitate all the science factoids that I learned in some freshman undergrad class. I would call you all crazy, uneducated, misinformed… and I would have been smug about it.

But after the climate change hysteria, sixth mass extinction bullshit, and NASAs fuckery, I couldn’t stomach it anymore. Once I started looking for sources, it became pretty easy to let go of the indoctrination.

Donutterrian 8 points ago +8 / -0

Same. I still need to apologize to a friend I laughed at for suggesting it was faked.

stevethefish76 6 points ago +6 / -0

Q said the moon landings were real, but I think at the very least the footage was faked. Assuming the moon landings are true, I'd say that NASA needed to have at least a plan to show footage of something for the people at home on TV because it would be rather lame for them to go all the way to the moon, only to find out that the video transmission failed. Just an idea.

crane2shoreVjames2hu 2 points ago +3 / -1

The footage is real.
Consider the technology of the time. Apollo's computers were technologically equivalent to a pocket calculator. - https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/03/27/the-computer-which-landed-apollo-11-on-the-moon-was-about-as-powerful-as-a-contemporary-pocket-calculator/

Yet some people want you to believe (((they))) can control the weather with HAARP which cost a mere $290 million to build, or "portals to hell" with CERN, chem-trails... the list goes on.

All conceived to distract you from the Real conspiracies. To make you feel like Alice, tumbling down the rabbit hole.

Misery loves company. Focus on Reality.

DarQ2light 2 points ago +2 / -0

How do you know?

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DarQ2light 1 point ago +1 / -0

How do you know?

DonnieIsLegend 4 points ago +4 / -0

Armstrongs are known for faking things. One faked winning bike races by cheating and we all know what the other did.

inspoken 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is some science you can't refute though. Those are the sorts of things where you can see the derivations & proofs. Science is about being honest with evidence & then finding patterns from it, which hold under scrutiny.

inspoken 1 point ago +1 / -0

For instance Q makes statements along these lines, Q makes statements & correlations & implies it's a little too unlikely to be just co-incidence. Not exactly science but it's more along that trend

ImBillCurtis 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh? Which science is “irrefutable”?

inspoken 2 points ago +2 / -0

Exactly my fren! It is the very nature of science itself that it is always refutable! Einstein's theory of relativity proved that Newtonian physics is not quite right and you know what else? Einstein's theory of relativity rests on his postulate of the equivalence principle (that inertial mass is the same as gravitational mass) From that he proved that space is effectively "curved" Right?

Now, according to particle physics, the Higgs Boson is the carrier of inertial mass and the graviton should be the carrier of gravitation. They haven't found the graviton yet but one thing they do know is that it has no link to the Higgs boson - WHICH MEANS either particle physics isn't quite right or Einstein's theory is not quite right

and this is physics, the field of medicine is much more uncertain. There is NEVER a certain known undisputable truth. I often cite Galileo to the lame brained idiots that think the community of scientists know certain truth

Callmejuls 2 points ago +2 / -0

Same, now if I could just finish waking my husband, son, daughters and son in laws

OkieBowhunter 5 points ago +5 / -0

Humans are gullible retards. They prolong this deep state nightmare for the rest of us.

fazzman23 1 point ago +1 / -0

white hats made the internet?

the_rvn 3 points ago +3 / -0

It doesn't matter how dumb you are, it matters how dumb everyone is.

SvixGale 3 points ago +3 / -0

While I definitely agree that whole situation was extremely sketchy, The thing I can't reconcile is this;

What about the wonderful, patriotic, amazing men who were on the teams that allegedly killed him?

BOTH SEALs AND SOAR / Special aviation elements; so many involved.

Rob O'Neill is anything but shy and quiet, and on many occasions, he has clearly stated "I know who I shot."

So did the SEAL teams kill and grab the body of a double; were they all told / forced to go along with faking bin laden's death, or what?

How do you explain that?

VaccinesCauseSIDS 12 points ago +12 / -0

I suspect the entire scene was scripted by hollywood.

First ObL acted like the typical cartoonish muslim terrorist, and used his wife as a human shield,

Then later they corrected the story, and said ObL did NOT use his wife as a human shield

Of course, many of us had suspected that ObL might not ever have existed, and was just a CIA cartoon cutout of a muslim terrorist.

The Bin Laden clan just happened to be long time family friends with the Bush family, supposedly a friendship build on oil, even though GHWB was probably always a CIA agent with a “Texas oil man” cover-story

“Oil man” GHWB called the FBI just before JFK was allegedly shot.

ObL codename Tim Osman

CNN found ObL in a cave, and got him to confess to 9/11 on video

ObL had been reported dead several times, even by Pakistani PM Benazir Bhutto

SvixGale 4 points ago +4 / -0

Interesting.... 'Tis a rabbit hole I need to go down, for sure...

CoolFoooo 1 point ago +1 / -0

100% whole thing was faked. Check out Miles Mathis blog for details. The JFK one would be the place to start


inspoken 1 point ago +1 / -0

Marilyn Monroe doesn't think he's gay. I'll tell you that much.

CoolFoooo 1 point ago +1 / -0

She was a beard.

SvixGale 1 point ago +1 / -0

nevermind; I figured it out. It is a legit site.

My browser is being a little over-sensitive, which is great in today's world.

What else can you tell me about this MILES WILLIAMS MATHIS guy?

Thanks for the link!

SvixGale 1 point ago +1 / -0

My browser is not letting me download your PDF; I went to the main site you linked to & it looks very weird.....

Is this legit or WTF?

CoolFoooo 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's legit http://mileswmathis.com/updates.html

Go to the blog linked above and search in page for JFK. I posted the direct link to the pdf no idea why it didn't work.

The pdfs are harder to memory hole cause they can be printed.

SvixGale 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, I did some browsing around & see it is a legit site.

Like I said; my browser was just being weirdly over-protective....


tope 1 point ago +1 / -0

But I want to know where is his dialysis machine never saw one picture of it just porn tapes that he was supposedly watching

blacksmith21 4 points ago +4 / -0

I like O’Neill but cannot for the life of me fathom the Pentagon approving his public life. I think they let him go on as long as he doesn’t divulge they killed a double. UBL died in Iran years prior. TBTB needed the UBL persona to carry on in order to carry out their ops.

Extortion 17 was supposed to be a clean up operation and it appeared successful until rumors of a survivor started to appear.

I pray this is true and they are avenged.

AngelCole 3 points ago +4 / -1

My husband said this in the beginning. He says, seals don't talk about their missions like Rob did. It does seem odd and it's most likely they approved him to be sort of a spokesperson for the whole obl snafu.

blacksmith21 4 points ago +4 / -0

I’d agree. I don’t think he’s a bad guy. I just hope he watches his six.

In a month I’ll be fully outta DC forever! I can’t tell you how good this feels.

Phishhed44 5 points ago +5 / -0

Sweeet. Leaving Maryland was like a nightmare had ended for me 👍🏽

blacksmith21 5 points ago +5 / -0

Escaping Northern Virginiastan

Phishhed44 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can I ask…where Ya headed?

humanizzimo1 3 points ago +3 / -0


PassLord 1 point ago +1 / -0

What about the wonderful, patriotic, amazing men who were on the teams that allegedly killed him?

They’re dead. They took down 3 Chinooks a week or two after the operation, killing about 27 SEALs. Initial media reports said that 9/10 dead were on the OBL op. By the time of congressional hearings the story changed… now its memory holed.

ToeBlake34 2 points ago +2 / -0

This was a huge affront to the Muslim community - the belief that being buried at see allows for the soul to be thrashed and thrown about for an endless eternity… proper Muslim burial requires the person to be facing Mecca and buried in the ground. OBL is alive and well living w/ his family on a west Texas ranch - tax payer funded of course ,…

kula 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fish filet.

MAGA_Wolfy [S] 16 points ago +16 / -0

Dated February 13, 2001, old I know - thought I'd share anyway. I didn't know this.

ShmellyTunaMelt1 12 points ago +12 / -0

They did the same thing to Kobes crash videos.

anon1979orisit 4 points ago +4 / -0

I have a friend w the LA County Sheriff. The helicopter Kobe was in hit the ground so hard that the lower torsos stayed in their seat belts while the upper torsos were ejected and chopped up by the rotors. They identified Kobe from the long legs and feet. No bullshit. The scene was gnarly AF.

SvixGale 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wow serious??

I hadn't heard!

AwakeJesusisComing21 7 points ago +7 / -0

Doesn't that figure? What could they be hiding? Was it the Navy that allegedly rescued him?

MAGA_Wolfy [S] 7 points ago +7 / -0

I believe the Navy handled the recovery of the bodies. That's what this footage was.

SvixGale 4 points ago +4 / -0

I assume it would mean he was in dirty shit.

Isn't that what Q told us how this will work?

Celebrities / politicians who are dirty & compromised; whether bribery or pedophilia; will be given the chance to "commit suicide" and have a respectable out; to not have their entire life and legacy burnt to the ground by revealing their degeneracy.

So if anyone is trying to keep anything about kobe hush-hush.... the most logical conclusion for me is.......he was into nasty, satanic shit......

Again; purely my speculation, but isn't that what Q has told us??

FractalizingIron 2 points ago +2 / -0

What I find interesting is that this is from the Sydney Morning Herald.

Aussie press....

Norman_F_Dixon 3 points ago +3 / -0

Good eye...

Very good eye.

Boomerremover 12 points ago +12 / -0

Q said "The Start" was Hillarys election which she obviously won against Jr. I hope he is alive, the first put into protection for what would play out over the next few decades. Yeah I know Q says Jr isn't, but do we honestly expect a different answer to that question? Why would Q have even addressed that question out of tons asked in the ama? It obviously served a purpose in the psyop. Who knows, just my .02

OperationRudyRusso -3 points ago +2 / -5

If he’s still alive, this is the dumbest plan of all time.

How on earth could you guarantee he’d survive the last 20 years? They would have had to keep him in a bulletproof, accident proof bubble, and who would want to live like that? There are a million ways people can die that don’t require a hit squad. Every time you get into a car you have a 1 in 107 chance of dying.

KickingPugilist 7 points ago +7 / -0

Those numbers are way off, sir.

CopperKid 2 points ago +2 / -0

Let’s say he is alive: to answer your question on how he would survive hit squads over the years… in that instance only, I would ask what does he have on them… this only matters IF he is alive. He is an elite biggie. Keeping his secret would behoove them because of the insane amount of supporters filled with love for JFKjr. It would be absolute suicide for them to hurt/kill him or to spill his secret (IF he lives). I think if he is alive, he has it all on them. Something that Q posted has bothered me from them dropping the post: ~Wait until you see who’s been talking to you here…~. It nags at me since very few people have the love and respect unmet by so many intelligent autists and pedes… JFKjr has earned such acknowledgment. I guess we’ll have to wait patiently and see “who” indeed has been talking to us on the Q board. WWG1WGA NCSWIC

inspoken 1 point ago +1 / -0

Um, most people in their 40's make it to 60. Not everyone. No but most. Not very hard math

OperationRudyRusso 1 point ago +1 / -0

But you can’t GUARANTEE it unless you make sure you don’t do anything risky.

For instance, he’s a Kennedy. If he’s alive, he certainly should never have taken another plane ride.

ChronicMetamorphosis 1 point ago +1 / -0

How on earth could you guarantee he’d survive the last 20 years?

Permanent residence at Trump Tower?

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DiveAndBait 8 points ago +8 / -0

Wouldn't it be the greatest if he was still alive, had all the dirt on the scumbags that took out his dad and he ran for 2024? 😃

Nomoralcompass89 3 points ago +3 / -0

If i had to speculate, he runs as VP under Trump. Trump serves 2 years of the term, then steps down as he has said "i only want to run the country ling enough till someone better steps up." Jr is president for 10 years.

I personally have a 50 dollar bet with my dad (far right, but normie) that Jr will be running for president in 2032.

QutlawJoseyWales 2 points ago +2 / -0

You believe mackintosh is a white hat and still alive?

IAN_MACKINTOSH 4 points ago +4 / -0

1940 - 26 July 1940 / Ian Mackintosh / Born

1958 - 1962 Britannia Royal Naval College (18 - 22 yr.)

1962 - 1976 Royal Navy (22 to 36 years old)

1973 - 1977 The Warship / Co-creator / Writer BBC TV-Drama / Navy / 33 yr

1976 - A Slaying in September / Novel / 36 yr

1978 - Alliance Creator / Writer ITV TV Detective-Mystery Series / 38 yr

1978 / 1980 The Sandbaggers Creator / Writer / ITV TV / Espionage / 38 yr

1979 - Thundercloud Creator / Executive Producer / ITV TV WWII Navy / 38 yr

1979 - 7 July 1979 / Died? / Airplane Crash? / 38 yr

1st question.

Ian Mackintosh was / is a white hat.

2nd question.

If Ian Mackintosh were still alive he would be 81 years old, so it is certainly possible.

Below timestamped links to Episode 5 Season 2 of The Sandbaggers. Before Mackintosh disappeared in July of 1979 he had already written the scripts for Season 2 and the first three scripts for Season 3 (broadcast in the spring (S2) and summer (S3) of 1980.

This episode aired 7 months after Mackintosh disappeared. Not much of a stretch to assume his personal analysis is reflected in the dialog.

It Couldn't Happen Here / 25 February 1980

https://youtu.be/tV7QMAE8FgY?t=43 (timestamp / start 00:43 to 04:24)

https://youtu.be/tV7QMAE8FgY?t=675 (timestamp / start 11:14 to 13:02)

What I personally find interesting and intriguing is how this extremely prolific creator / producer / writer of Naval Operations (current and WWII), Espionage and Detective Mysteries...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Mackintosh disappears off the face of the earth in the summer of 1979

and then 35000 miles away and 5 years later (1984) this insurance salesman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy writes this book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_for_Red_October about submarines, warships, aircraft carriers, naval intelligence, satellite ocean surveillance, the SOSUS (Sound Surveillance System), espionage and the defection of high ranking Russian Naval officers.

Insurance salesman - Blockbuster Navy, Espionage, Spy, Action Thriller
Insurance salesman - Blockbuster Navy, Espionage, Spy, Action Thriller
Insurance salesman - Blockbuster Navy, Espionage, Spy, Action Thriller

One more time...

Insurance salesman - Blockbuster Navy, Espionage, Spy, Action Thriller

Then, in 1991, this guy, after writing two more books...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Games (1987) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_and_Present_Danger (1989)

writes a fourth book, in the researching of he was hosted in Israel by its Intelligence Services and provided assistance in his research... writes this book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sum_of_All_Fears (1991)

with the following dedication:

"For Mike and Peggy Rogers, a sailor and his lady--- and all the men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces, because the noblest of ideas have always been protected by warriors"

Now that Mike Rogers is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Rogers

It is unclear exactly when Rogers and Clancy become acquainted..

Was it before or after Roger's 1986 Naval Officer Designator changed from Surface Warfare Officer / Unrestricted Line to Special Duty Officer /Cryptology 1610 / Restricted Line.

1978 1979 1984 1986 1987 1989 1991

Anybody out there got a degree in comparative linguistics and want to take a stab at comparing Mackintosh's writing stylistics and Clancy's writing stylistics.

Just sayin...

As long as we're sitting around watching a movie... may as well write one of our own.


Additional research links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warship_(1973 BBC TV Series)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandbaggers (1979 / 1980 ITV TV Series)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilde_Alliance (1978 ITV TV Series)

https://www.memorabletv.com/tv/thundercloud-itv-1979-derek-waring-sarah-douglas/ (1979 ITV TV Series)


v8power 1 point ago +1 / -0

Google claims Admiral Mike Rogers married Dana Walck Rogers in 1985. Who's Peggy?

IAN_MACKINTOSH 2 points ago +2 / -0

What about that 17 17 17 for the time (to the minute... who puts the time of an event in a wiki article down to the minute) day and year break out?

Your thoughts...

Still researching the Peggy / Dana question.

In the meantime... the movie script version is that Dana is a cover identity, Peggy is her real name, she's a deep cover S.A.S officer, child of British diplomat who spent her younger years growing up in the U.S. and then returned to the U.S. for college (no accent).

The Q plan is multi generational, multi national, and marriages between deep cover operatives of allied nations is not only common, it is encouraged.

Because Clancy is a ghost writer for Mackintosh, the representative handler for S.A.S. would be known to Clancy in true name (Peggy) and cover name, (Dana). Rogers was brought in take over as the U.S. handler (the guy who brought masterminded the Mackintosh plane crash retired), Peggy and Rogers being the gatekeepers for all things Mackintosh/Clancy.

Any number of plot devices could be used to account for the use of Peggy in the dedication in Sum of All Fears, a childhood nickname only close friends use, an inside joke between Clancy, Peggy/Dana and Rogers...etc.

Just spitballing for the movie while I go further down the rabbit hole.

v8power 1 point ago +1 / -0

That triple 17 is interesting. By the way, 171717 = 4913. Maybe that's an interesting number for which to keep an eye out.

I'm not sure why it's important for Mackintosh to fake his death and have a ghost writer. I'm not sure how that helps the story.

I'm going to guess Mike and Peggy Rogers were British rather than American.

IAN_MACKINTOSH 1 point ago +1 / -0

From above comment:

The Q plan is multi generational, multi national, and marriages between deep cover operatives of allied nations is not only common, it is encouraged.

Peggy / Dana British

Rogers American

Read 'moar' carefully before guessing, i.e. ass u me ing.

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v8power 1 point ago +1 / -0

Never mind - I misremembered the dedication to Mike Rogers.

Anyway, why are you sure the Mike Rogers mentioned in the dedication is the Admiral?

IAN_MACKINTOSH 1 point ago +1 / -0

02 December 2021 theconservativetreehouse


I've been digging.



These kind of things are just spooky, eh?

v8power 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, the mandate came down for health care workers: https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-issues-emergency-regulation-requiring-covid-19-vaccination-health-care

And then a judge said he was "temporarily blocking enforcement." The Cleveland Clinic correspondingly said they were "pausing" the requirement to be vaccinated to work there.

It seems like the Clinic is trying to follow the law. What spooky coincidence am I missing?

v8power 1 point ago +2 / -1

Glenn Beck showed photos from Trump's new book as part of his Trump interview:

https://youtu.be/1InmCakufIE?t=2579 (timestamp)

One photo was at the border wall and one post had this written:

1103 + 28 5D

I decided to check the Q posts for fun.

Q Post 1103 says, in part, "YOU are being TRACKED...This is BIGGER than you think."

Q Post 28 shows an Anon quoting from LSU , "Throughout this period [1950's and 60's] military intelligence units also continued to collect data on Americans at home who were suspected of involvement in subversive activities...The Army used 1,500 plainclothes agents to watch demonstrations, infiltrate organizations, and spread disinformation."

The Anon ends with "Always 5 steps ahead!" And, the writing on that border wall post ends with "5D," which I think is hilarious because many here talk about 5D chess.

The mild connection between the posts got me thinking...

Technology has come a long way since the 50's and 60's. "AI" is currently being used to predict behaviors - from society all the way down to an individual.

It suddenly occurred to me the military would work on a sort of terror prediction capability like the "precogs" from Minority Report.

Given the level of intrusion the military showed before, they'd probably have little problem to surreptitiously collect all the data (including American) they could get their hands on. Admiral Rogers visiting the Cleveland Clinic back in 2015 might not have been just about securing American health data from foreign actors. What if the military could use everyone's individual health data to make predictions?

What if AI could have been used during coronavirus to model even down to an individual level who was likely to live and die? Just one metric, BMI was a strong predictor. Combining with a larger set of health data might allow for better predictors.

What if the news followed by an individual was used to, let's say, predict who would get the vaccine? Trump did put the Military in charge of vaccine distribution after all.

CC: u/MAGAdeburger

MAGAdeburger 2 points ago +2 / -0

Who would get the vaccine, who would die if they got it, who wouldn't be impacted if they were coerced into getting it, who would refuse to get it, who would be more outspoken against illegal activity, who would sacrifice jobs and livelihood stand up for freedom...

Lots of parameters that could be used to predict outcomes in people. Makes me think of Jacob and the Chosen from LOST

v8power 1 point ago +2 / -1

Those are all interesting questions.

I'm not sure why I wasn't thinking private data on citizens had been taken from various sources and centralized to be actively and constantly reviewed.

What I have been thinking, however, is AI could comb through all of (digitized) human recorded history to make connections previously not noticed. AI would have no issue to search everything...similar to how "Norman" would reference a small section deep inside a 4 hour long video (that most would find too boring to click on let alone watch for 4 hours).

Where is "Norman?" Is he "offline" being "tweeked" to not make "Q-tard" references any more? You know...a vacation. ;-)

It's interesting the Cleveland Clinic didn't put up that Admiral Rogers video until 6 years later even though other speakers around his time were put up much sooner.

I haven't listened to all of the following yet, but here's Rogers talking on October 5, 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdA--RDf8hQ. This was filmed under "The JFK Jr Forum," which is coincidental since we're in a post talking about JFK Jr's death.


IAN_MACKINTOSH 1 point ago +1 / -0

Check your fire! Check your fire!

Considering who Adm Rogers (Ret) is and his professional history, good luck confirming any personal data on the internet.

For example:


Post your source, looks like you may have info on a Representative Mike Rogers.

v8power 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also, he gave a speech at the Cleveland Clinic, and in his intro, his wife is named as Dana and the length of marriage given at 29 years:


I'm not sure when it was filmed, but Toby stepped down as CEO in 2017.

Update: looks like it was filmed no later than 2015. If filmed early enough in the year, then the marriage year of 1985 as per Google is spot on.

So, who are Mike and Peggy Rogers?

IAN_MACKINTOSH 1 point ago +1 / -0

If the speech is no later than 2015 then this statement from the description of the speakers and program just below the video proper would be invalid if Cosgrove stepped down as CEO in 2017. He would still have been CEO and not described as the past CEO. Speech date has to be later that 2017:

Join Admiral Michael Rogers, Commander, U.S. Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency/Chief, Cenpal Security Service and past Cleveland Clinic CEO and President, Toby Cosgrove, MD for this series.

Ideas for Tomorrow is an ongoing speaker series that provides a forum for the world’s most distinguished thinkers, speakers and personalities to engage in a dialogue with members of our community.

Repost link to source with 3 February 2018 date.


IAN_MACKINTOSH 1 point ago +1 / -0

Still researching... finding conflicting data date of speech.

Oddly challenging.

Snark aside, trying to reconcile Dana / Peggy matter as well.

IAN_MACKINTOSH 1 point ago +1 / -0

Found it...

Cleveland Clinic Presents: Ideas for Tomorrow
June 24, 2015 @ 5:00 pm - 7:00 pm

Cleveland Clinic invites you to attend this free event featuring

Admiral Michael Rogers Commander, U.S. Cyber Command and Director, National Security Agency/Chief, Central Security Service


Concerning Adm Rogers statement about a "shooting in Texas two months earlier, here is a list of shooting that predate the June speech.

March 20: In Lancaster, someone fired shots from a vehicle into a crowd, killing one and injuring six.

March 26: Six days later, four men were shot by three other men near an elementary school in Amarillo.

April 24: A Killeen man allegedly went on a rampage at his apartment building, killing two and injuring three, including his girlfriend. The accused had been arrested on murder, robbery, and firearms charges in the past.

May 3: Two groups got into an argument at a Houston nightclub. Later, as one group drove away, members fired multiple rounds at the other group, standing on the sidewalk. Six were injured.

May 17: Texas’ biggest mass shooting of the year took place outside a Twin Peaks “reastaurant” in Waco, where nine people died and eighteen were wounded in a biker gang battle. You probably heard about this one; it made national headlines and was 2015’s third most deadly mass shooting nationwide.


All below was analysis that finally lead to being able to get the right search terminology to find the speech announcement in the link top of comment.

When the Toby Cosgrove is announce by an off camera speaker he is identified as "Cleveland Clinic CEO and President Toby Cosgrove."

The video written identification as "past CEO and President" is misleading since there is not annotation that the video is from 2015 and not 2021.

And none of that gets us any closer to reconciling Peggy / Dana.

Analysis of speech content argues for July 2015 date of speech:

Summer Whites - this bumps the 3 Feb 2018 date - would not be in white.


Cannot reconcile doc with a 3 Feb 2018 ref date / reject this data point.

Makes a remark about a theoretical instance of having to consult with the A.G. and without mentioning a name says, "So, I would go to the A.G. and say 'Ma'mm, Here's the situation..." Loretta Lynch time frame - 2015

Makes a remark on coming up on 30 years in the intelligence field. Date of Designator change to 1610 was 1986 - 1986 to 2015 is 29 years.

Makes a reference to the shooting two months earlier in Texas... see link.


In the wiki article about the Waco Shootout the following, shoot out broke out at 12:27 PM CDT May 17, 2015. If this is the shooting Adm. Rogers is referring to then the speech could be in July.

Seen this kind of stuff before

12:27 May 17, 2015
12:27 05 17, 2015
1+2+2+7+5 = 17

17 17 17

That and that view count on the video ...

What have you stumbled on?

Watch the video.

On 24 June 2015 Adm Rogers has been Commander, U.S. Cyber Command and Director, National Security Agency/Chief, Central Security Service since April 2014.

14 Months.

Watch the video starting at 33: 26 when the question and answers segment of the presentation starts...

https://youtu.be/MpgnRnHyV84?t=2006 (timestamp / pause to freeze frame)

https://youtu.be/MpgnRnHyV84?t=2802 (timestamp / pause to freeze frame)

Blond woman, first questioner. Look to the right and up. Woman in light blue.

That's Gina Haspel. She becomes CIA Director 26 April 2018.

There is a whole in her bio from 7 May 2013 to 2 Feb 2017. Here's her wiki page... I can't find what she was doing between those dates... but there she is sitting in the audience for this Adm Rogers speech.


This may be the same jacket...


Compare the shape of the glasses in the video and in the photos below.


Why is Adm. Rogers addressing this audience?

What am I not understanding?

Why has this video only just been uploaded on 26 March 2021.

View count finally started to move off 6,666 views. That was freaky.

Too many rabbit holes, not enough time.

Gonna try and dig on this Cleveland Council for World Affairs and see what shakes out.


Tossing this off to you for now, v8power.

v8power 1 point ago +1 / -0

I knew it was no later than 2015 because the end of the video said upcoming speaker "Marissa Mayer" - Yahoo CEO, and I found her speech was 2015. I'm glad you found the actual date.

That woman possibly being Gina Haspel is freaky. I'm leaning against it because she looks older than the pics of Haspel (and that video was from over 6 years ago). Even though the video is low resolution and she is out of focus, you can see creases around the mouth. I don't see the same in Haspel's online images. Also, Haspel had a position in Europe in 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gina_C.Haspel-_CIA_Career_Timeline,_1_May_2018.pdf

I heard Rogers say that his group was interested in protecting key industries from cyber attack by other nations. I didn't hear it mentioned, but I believe Health Care is one of those industries. He was probably trying to get their cooperation (maybe some level of access) for his group to help protect them.

If that's the case, then the US government/military might have access to a huge amount of data on everyone...including medical data.

Regarding why it took so long to release the video, it was released in a block of videos uploaded 8 months ago: https://www.youtube.com/c/clevelandclinic/search?query=ideas%20for%20tomorrow

For comparison the Marissa video was uploaded in 2016 - not too long after she was taped (and her presentation was after Rogers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMU3ybNOCbA

The Cleveland Clinic could have a review process to release videos. I don't see a common thread among that block released 8 months ago, though.

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eyeinthesky1 7 points ago +7 / -0

What's coming will shock the world! I don't believe has to do with Covid because people are slowly gradually awakening! Someone who's thought to be dead resurfacing and conforming the DS plans would be shocking! Research the final hours before the crash!

WillowMinxy 5 points ago +5 / -0

I really want people to return from the “dead” it has happened before. In the story Atlas Shrugged the wealthy capitalists all fake their deaths to plot together and save the country from communists. Why wouldn’t it be possible? Just because you have money, especially if you earned it yourself, you don’t have to be a bad guy. If you sell your soul To get wealth and power you’re a bad guy.

Why wouldn’t rich and powerful good people fight in secret against a threat to their way of life? Aren’t we a bunch of “regular” people (plus a couple bots and glowies) working together to inform each other and form a weapon against our enemies?

MAGAdeburger 2 points ago +2 / -0

Interesting that the article refers to John jnr, Mr. Kennedy and Mr. John F. Kennedy jnr, but never "JFK Jr."

v8power 2 points ago +2 / -0

The caption to the picture says "JFK jnr."

MAGAdeburger 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes, but not JFK Jr.... jnr... perhaps just a stylistic issue

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PitBoss711 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've always had strong doubts regarding the claim that JFK Jr. is still alive, but what a wonderful story it would be if he is. And what a powerful boost for America at a time when we need it the most.

inspoken 1 point ago +1 / -0

Next time you just happen to bump into a Kennedy ask them if the family really requested that, lol

antonlevay -2 points ago +1 / -3

ok, we're not those nuts in dallas are we?