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Elon Musk: Overpopulation is a myth. The real crisis is population collapse. (twitter.com)
posted 2 years ago by StormSailor 2 years ago by StormSailor +410 / -4
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– penisse 67 points 2 years ago +67 / -0

Intelligence collapse is the crisis to trigger them all. Having most stuff being done for us without any transparency is the medium: don’t just eat their processed food, liste to their news, get distracted by their toys…

Cook from basic ingredients, actively select and confront your news. Meditate/pray. Awake your curiosity. Always ask « what is this/why is that? », preferably when in presence of kids, then look for plausible explanations together and confront it with the Scriptures: « is it not good? ».

Always have a day with a good laugh, a nice melody sung/performed by/for yourself, the smell of a nice meal, some decent muscle ache so you know you’ve not been lazy.

Whenever you pray, always pray for the unlucky/tired ones, then thank God for the long and interesting walk together.

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– polish_snausage 29 points 2 years ago +29 / -0

I had a convo with someone I've known forever... they said

"Yeah, it's sad people died of covid, but whatever, there's too many people on the plant anyway".

Then goes on to say something about their kids & grandchildren being fully vax'ed"

It was really difficult to come up with a response (that would be heard) I just said "imaging saying that to the three little kids and their Mom that lost their Dad over a false covid test, who was terrified, sedated and killed on a vent"

There was no response, I don't know if it got through... I avoid being around them now.

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– deleted 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0
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– polish_snausage 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

It's exactly this! And I'm now being held off at arms length by them.

Just short meaningless conversations/texts. It's the beginning of the ghosting process I think.

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– VoatAnon1984 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I’m with you on this, sadly.

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– Cpleb 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

They must be a really close Friend to say something like that to you. That’s not a thought I’d share with anyone if I had it.

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– INK10 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

People who share that kind of thought are cloaked in self-righteousness, and have no clue how they sound to others.

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– Cpleb 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Very likely. That or they also think you share similar opinions. And/or they’re really dumb.

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– y000danon 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Each of you gets close - this is bigger as far as a paradigm.

There are psychologically 2 types of minds:

  • Convergent Thinkers:

It generally means the ability to give the "correct" answer to standard questions that do not require significant creativity, for instance in most tasks in school and on standardized multiple-choice tests for intelligence.

  • Divergent Thinkers:

Divergent thinking is a thought process or method used to generate creative ideas by exploring many possible solutions. It typically occurs in a spontaneous, free-flowing, "non-linear" manner, such that many ideas are generated in an emergent cognitive fashion. Many possible solutions are explored in a short amount of time, and unexpected connections are drawn. Following divergent thinking, ideas and information are organized and structured using convergent thinking, which follows a particular set of logical steps to arrive at one solution, which in some cases is a "correct" solution.

This isn’t a hard set. It’s done through Operant Conditioning:

Operant conditioning (or instrumental conditioning) is a form of learning in which an individual's behavior is modified by its consequences & Applied use of the Skinnerian Method: The work of Skinner was rooted in a view that classical conditioning was far too simplistic to be a complete explanation of complex human behavior. He believed that the best way to understand behavior is to look at the causes of an action and its consequences. He called this approach operant conditioning.

So the idea is Educators and Society itself rewards Convergence - Not Divergence. Divergence is a risk for the bold thinking. For us.

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– polish_snausage 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

They are. I'm hoping they find their way. It's pretty out of character-- unless it's me and I never saw that ruthless side. But I'm usually pretty good at spotting haters and liars.

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– Cpleb 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

maybe the stress of everything brought out the darker side..... hopefully its just a momentary lapse.

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– onetimeuser 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

should've said: "imagine if that was you who died and i was the one laughing and saying what you just said about you, and in front of your wife & kids"

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– polish_snausage 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

They'd say 'when it's time to go for me to go; I'm fine with that (I'm sure they def will not be when it's their time). They've said that before.

But if something happens to their beautiful grandkids.... they will not be able to deal with it. They are so deluded and brainwashed.

So sad & disturbing from someone I've known for decades as kind & caring.

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– Puppetmasters 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

You spoke what was on your mind while being respectful, it is the most you can do for people who do not want to listen. It is entirely up to them if they have an honest, open mind or not.

For what it's worth, I think you did the right thing!

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– polish_snausage 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

My first reaction was "F You'" and to pull over & leave them on the side of the road. Lol.... I paused and sent up a Emergency prayer...

Ya know the paintings with Jesus' hand on Trumps shoulder? The one for me would have His hand over my mouth. 😂

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– Feelsgoodman 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Ok that's funny🐸

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– DieHeretic 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1

Other people need to die in order to save the planet, not anyone related to him. Got it.

Is that guy you know Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates?

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– lalahemingway 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Excellent comment and great reminders. Thanks!

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– throwawayforyou 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

AMEN

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– ozthentic 16 points 2 years ago +16 / -0

NO Shit Sherlock. Did 40 or more flights over China. green and green and rice fields and mountains and rivers and then you enter a city with 35 million people squeezed into hi rise buildings and you think WTF.

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– valley-lily 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

And the disgusting smog and pollution of places like that is crazy. People were not meant to be stuffed into such tight quarters.

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– deleted 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0
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– ozthentic 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Govt intent. Future smart cities.

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– ozthentic 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Govt intent, future smart cities

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– intellectual-darkweb 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Consumer-slaves must have a job that supports the beast.

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– throwawayforyou 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Can they not live in the mountains or what?

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– ozthentic 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Govt intent future smart cities

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– NobodyLikesSplatter 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Jordan Peterson agrees and explains why. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GcA3rI19jYM

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– deleted 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0
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– Make_It_So 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

A real patriot. /salute

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– WhyAserverWasBuilt 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

They stole Georgia

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– Hope70 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

The few psychopaths want all the countries/land for themselves. Most of them are 60 years or older, a few with progeny in their 30-40 year range to carry on and reap the rewards, because they won’t live long enough to enjoy the fruits of their depopulation plot. I guess they presume their robots or vaccine injected subhumans will be their slaves.

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– deleted 6 points 2 years ago +7 / -1
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– MAG768720 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Do the math.

Take the entire world's population (7 billion? 8 billion?).

Assume an average of 4 people per household.

Assume everyone lives in a house. No condos, apartments, etc.

Assume every house is on a quarter-acre lot (about 1/4 the size of a football field).

How large of an area would be needed to house the entire world's population?

A little bigger than about twice the size of Texas.

With the rest of the world empty of humans.

Puts it into perspective.

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– dtxman75 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Im sorry but that in no way puts anything in perspective. Looking at land size needed to occupy a population is irresponsibly linear. How about perspective. For each human born, given current average lifespan, 72 years, how many more people will they create?, averages- roughly 80 to 100 with a 3 generation extended family.

How much water, food is consumed and impact does a 100 people living on avg of 72 years with a death ratio of 6% ? -28,200,000 gallons of water(consumed) not used -290,880,000 gallons of water (used) not consumed -6768 tons (13,536,000 lbs.) of food consumed -437,100 trees cleared and consumed -7,050,000 miles travelled

The power to create a human life is one of the greatest responsibilities we have, it should be used and considered wisely.

Extrapolate this to the world population and it is staggering. There is a reason the term "critical mass" was coined to represent the human population once the benchmark of 4 billion was observed.

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– FL350 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I was coming to say the same…8 billion people, the US is roughly 3.8 million square miles, each square mile is 640 acres which comes out to be 1.92 billion acres. So theoretically, every man, woman and child could have 1/4 of land in the US

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– Tewdryg 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Elon just scored some big points with me. Is it true to say that those that advocate population control (depopulation) is a tell-tale sign of an evil god-complex?

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– BringTheCat789 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

The issue is the trend of people who shouldn't have kids having the most kids, and the people who should be having the most kids have the least kids.

If you have the intelligence to know that you can give yourself and your kids their best life financially by limiting yourself to two, and have the discipline to actually follow that, then you are the type of person who should have more.

If you don't have the intelligence to realize that, or don't have the discipline to act on it, then you are the type of person who should not have any.

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– Symko 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

This post was viewed as :Fake News:. There are way too many Lefties on this planer.

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– BatteryBaron 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Overpopulation of the planet is impossible. Prove me wrong ?

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– dtxman75 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Here's a start: For each human born, given current average lifespan, 72 years, how many more people will they create?, averages- roughly 80 to 100 with a 3 generation extended family.

How much water, food is consumed and impact does a 100 people living on avg of 72 years with a death ratio of 6% ? -28,200,000 gallons of water(consumed) not used -290,880,000 gallons of water (used) not consumed -6768 tons (13,536,000 lbs.) of food consumed -437,100 trees cleared and consumed -7,050,000 miles travelled

The power to create a human life is one of the greatest responsibilities we have, it should be used and considered wisely.

Extrapolate this to the world population and it is staggering. There is a reason the term "critical mass" was coined to represent the human population once the benchmark of 4 billion was observed.

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– BatteryBaron 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Population is constrained by resources, therefore overpopulation is not possible

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– dtxman75 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Over population is subjective to definition and a general terminology relative to opinion and perception. One can argue if resources are strained that is over population of the resource consuming species, or hyberbole to Armageddon scenario of an extinction event due to over population, or environment and resource is depleted due to over populating species. Either way its not limited or constrained to just resources, therefore impossible. Without checks and balances and predator prey scenarios, overpopulation is not only possible but probable as it has been proven time and time again in nature and human populations.

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– BatteryBaron 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I can agree. Either way, its a self correcting problem

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– Based_in_Space 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

With right technology I bet a swag number carrying capacity is at least 100B people.

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– VonErich 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Elon felt that Jack Ma was ignorant.

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– Noctuner 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I suggest people read about the 4 stages of demographic: https://www.economicsdiscussion.net/economic-development/4-main-stages-of-demographic-transition-economic-development/19129

Developped countries are in the 4th stage, even possibly actually reaching a new 5th state. Basically, it goes like this:

  • 1: Low quality of life means high mortality. Which means adults were having lot of children, because they knew only a handful of them would actually survive.
  • 2: QoL improves, mortality decreases. However, people are still "used to" making lots of children. That's the beginning of population explosion.
  • 3: People are finally getting used to it: Natality starts to decrease, but mortality went so low, population is still rapidly growing.
  • 4: Both mortality and natality are gettting very low, population stagnates.
  • 5? (technically not in the 4 demographic stages, but still happening): What we're seeing right now, women are actually having less than 2 children, which means population is actually decreasing. For pop stagnation, we need ~2.1 children per women.

The only reason US/Europe pop is not technically decreasing, is because of immigration.

Look up the fertility rate per woman per country, you'll see it's quite alarming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate

Most developed countries are at very low rate, like < 1.5. When you think about it, it's quite terrifying actually. It basically means we're losing 1/4 of people every single generation (4 parents have 3 children total, 25% loss). Not just that, this is happening in almost every country in the world. Pop collapse can be very real.

The only "overpopulation" happening is 100% because of developping countries, which are still in phase 2 or 3. In a few generations, they will either see mass mortality (back to phase 1), or go into phase 4 and stagnates.

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– UltraSupraMaga 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡

https://web.archive.org/web/20180513170631/http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/5182986/3-08042005-AP-EN.PDF/

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– GlennRush 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

“You can tell it’s real because it looks so fake.”- Elon Musk

Space is fake. Bet you did even realize NASA admits to all but one photo of earth being photoshopped. Did you even know that you couldn’t tell the difference between cartoons and real life?

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– GlennRush 0 points 2 years ago +1 / -1

And the one photo they say isn’t photoshopped is “earth rise”, in which the earth from the moon appears the same size as the moon from the earth, which would only make sense if they were the same size.

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– BerlinWallCrosser -2 points 2 years ago +2 / -4

God called upon us to multiply and subdue the earth. First to Adam, Gen. 3 or 4, then to Noah and his sons, Gen. 9 or 10.

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– BerlinWallCrosser 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Who would downvote a command by God with a Biblical reference?

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– RC22 -2 points 2 years ago +2 / -4

God says to be fruitful multiply and fill the earth. I figure feeding and providing for them is His job then That does not mean a famine can never happen when a Nation turns their back on Him

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– deleted -3 points 2 years ago +1 / -4
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– Hing -3 points 2 years ago +6 / -9

Population decline is a good thing and it happens naturally as quality of life improves.

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– GodAndGlory 8 points 2 years ago +11 / -3

You mean, as bad food and microplastics weakens people, as vaccines lower fertility, as porn weakens men, as women (and men) delay children for their careers to be slaves to the system, as young people are brainwashed that 30s are the new 20s, etc?

I swear I've heard your comment in some bullshit high school class years ago. Everything they've taught us is a lie.

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– McSimply 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Indeed, population growth actually increases over the long term with a greater quality of life because more children survive into adulthood. That is, of course, assuming that people are still having children.

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– Mountaing8 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Aren't Japan, Italy and much of Europe losing population, and that's why foreigners were being imported to Europe? I've heard that without immigration, the US population would be declining also. I remember big bill boards in France in the early 90's "La France a besoin des enfants". France needs babies. Germany was paying people to be parents. My French in-laws were wondering why they should bother to have kids since they are so much work. If your future comfort is assured, you just have fun. You also lose population when people see no way to improve their fate, like the Soviet Union.

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– Hing 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Population growth and GDP per capita are inversely correlated in every country in the world, no exceptions.

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– McSimply 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

That may be the case, but to conclude that a higher quality of life will inevitably lead to population decline is fallacious. Birth rates can and do fluctuate from a variety of circumstances. For instance, nowadays the countries with the highest GDP are likewise the most inundated with cultural influences through media and other sources that discourage procreation. If birth control and abortion weren't so widely utilized, birth rates in those countries would be off the charts from the sheer promiscuity alone.

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– Hing 2 points 2 years ago +4 / -2

Funny, it's parents who are the most obedient slaves to the system as they need every penny to house, feed and clothe their spawn. Overpopulation reduces the value of labor and contributes to wage slavery as well.

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– deleted 0 points 2 years ago +4 / -4
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– Hing -3 points 2 years ago +2 / -5

No-one will remember you in a hundred years.

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– deleted 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1
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– pnwhomebrewer 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

I agree actually. Less people means cost of living goes down. It’s why I want no more immigration.

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