Maybe we can contribute here on this board to create a set of suggested policies/procedures for local Patriots to organize to watch and record drop boxes 24/7, maybe have signs that say "one visit, one ballot" , and "you are being recorded" , etc. Scare the crap out of simpleton mules.
But I am sure someone would get hurt... so, maybe a bad idea? Or, suggest teams of 4-5 with concealed carry?
I don"t know... just spit-balling.
Edit: I realize that voting drop-boxes are stupid to begin with. I'm not THAT stupid. But, here we are in 2022 and they're still being talked about and some "fear" another pandemic that will get them out of storage. And, I understand that voter intimidation could be thrown at us--no shit. So, instead of propping up the roadblocks, where's the creativity on this board to figure out how to circumvent the issues/challenges that have been raised?
How about making drop boxes illegal?
That would be the ideal situation. But obviously that doesn’t appear to be in the cards yet.
I think a grassroots movement to monitor drop boxes and maintain surveillance video of each of them would be both reasonable and epic.
It would be hard to convince somebody to stand in the rain at 3am to watch a drop box, unpaid
it's one way to fight for your country....
Very true. Very true.. I guess it’s not very realistic. Not even positive what we’d do with the information we get from sitting there anyway..
That's the priority, yes. But for those dipshit states that allow them, we need plan B
We already tried plan B. It didn't work. You have to stop the fraud BEFORE it happens. Going back 6 months later and saying you saw fraud does nothing. As evidenced by what we are seeing now.
Exactly. Prevention is the only way.
Are all states have drop boxes? I only voted in 3 so don't know.
They will find a way to call it voter intimidation. That's how they've got away with non-monitoring over the years.
Probably... so we would need to be smart about it. I don't know what that means, though... someone more gifted than me would need to conceive of that.
In some areas you can carry up to like 4 ballots. Like if someone from the house is dropping them off for a few family members. In NJ they even said it was illegal to carry more than 4 I believe it was and it said so on the ballot.
Still, anyone could fill out your ballot since they weren't checking signatures.
BINGO!!
What if a ballot box spontaneously burned from the inside out? They are after all mostly illegal.
Of course I would never suggest the illegal act of dropping incendiary devices into the vote stealing boxes.
Put a hungry baby goat in each dropbox and let nature take its course. The subsequent goat trials at Goatanamo will be entertaining. 📜🐐 📬
Lol, if anyone even tried this... I know the immediate reaction:
[Security Cameras Activated...]
Well of course. It would be wrong if you mimicked our enemies tactics of wearing hoodies and face coverings while such things happened. Surely law enforcement would be understanding.
Which we are already doing and it made zero difference. Fraud has to be stopped before it happens.
We need to do it. They are legal in California.
We need video cameras and strong men that can perform citizen arrests.
One of the Arizona Senators mentioned doing just this at the hearing today with True the Vote. She asked for vigilante observers to watch, take photos, get license plate numbers, etc.
They should be illegal to begin with. The absurdity that people are okay with drop boxes (even now with most people realizing COVID was a hoax), is astounding.
We need a localized poll-based platform for constituents to inform their representatives.
Regarding the conceal carry, check your local laws very carefully. In Georgia, it is illegal to carry a weapon within 150ft of a polling location, which is where ballot boxes are located. This includes parking lots and vehicles.
Now, if you had a buddy in the local police or sheriff that you could call, who could make sure there's a unit sitting nearby investigating some unrelated suspicious activity, you may be in business to catch people in the act. Maybe on the 2nd or 3rd trip.
Also, game cameras typically run around $100 for good ones and can camouflage in very well. Check local laws again about whether you're in a One Party Consent state. There should be no expectation of privacy at a public polling location.
Then police would need to be there and would actually do what we wanted lol
Like in Uvulde? Police aren't going to do anything. It is up to us.
@truethevote Ideally drop boxes should be illegal but for now, can we get some sort of plan going on how to handle them? Maybe 24/7 drop box watchers? I don't know how technologically advanced we can make this, but we could use our phones to create a public wifi and track the phones that go through it or something? Maybe there is a realtime approach to cell data collection to spot mules as they are going to all these drop boxes. Storage house/non-profit watchers would be good too.
@truethevote https://truthsocial.com/users/ChuKai/statuses/108400034332508496
Guerilla Tactics, campers. Have 5-10 people in the area (Could do it with 3-4). Create signals to notify each other. Video everyone dropping ballots, if a mule is identified, then someone else hanging out nearby walks past the car gets pics of the license plate, make, model, etc. (HEY! I was just looking at my phone as I was walking!!) Fade away into the background and wait for the next one. If police show up, fade away, and come back once they leave. Also video them and their actions in case they cover for the mules. Add more options as needed.
We should make an effort to INSIST that poll watchers be allowed to watch the ballot dropboxes like they're allowed to watch any other poll.
Should be easy to argue in court. There's precedent. Equal protection under the law.
I would love to just camp a ballot dropbox all day. They're in public locations, should be legal. We don't really need signs, but cameras would certainly help
Of course, just the fact that we're talking about this means that something will happen at a Dropbox that makes us all look bad, but whatever.
If you’re a criminal and have multiple ballots in your hands, you might have an allergic reaction to baseball bats.
The answer is, if you want your candidate to win, vote in as many damn drop boxes as possible.
I mean I said it in 2020, if you aren't willing to cheat, or hold them accountable, we will never win another meaningful election.... and here we are.
Drop boxes only at local police department or court house or fire department with camera surveillance. Clear sign in multi language: if you are not a U.S. Citizen, voting is illegal. Dropping off only your ballot is permissible. Ideally, drop boxes would require you to enter your last 4 digits of your social security number and your first 4 letters of your last name. This would imprint on your ballot and be entered automatically into the computer system so you can’t vote in person anywhere else in the country. If the police can see if you have an arrest warrant nationwide, I am sure this must be possible. Or you could have the drop box at your voting station on Election Day. Maybe with extended hours, say 5:00 a.m. until end of voting time. No mail in voting due to unreliableUSPS delivery. Absentee voting only with a valid reason (to be determined) with last 4 of social security number, address and name which matches voter roll and done electronically. Anyone else voting from the same address is flagged for further inspection. Anyone with the same last 4 SS numbers is blocked in voting and would have to vote in person with a provisional ballot. Drop boxes should be thin enough to accommodate only one ballot at a time. All ballots collected for a 24 hour period from a lock box with the corresponding video. The number of ballots must equal the number of people entering information otherwise all ballots are deemed ineligible.
And all that is set up how?
Through the State legislature is how it would have to be set up. People need to get together and be sure the legislators hear loud and clear that they work for us. If they don’t want to do our bidding they need to resign. I know it sounds simplistic, but we have to start somewhere.
Dems will claim "Voter Intimidation"
The left will call it ‘voter intimidation’.
You'd be better off with some discretely placed trail cams. They can be used with timestamps but watching 2000 mules, be prepared to use some pretty high tech software to identify duplicate mules.
They would drag that under "ballot box intimidation", even though they are not at the precinct. Or messing with mail as a federal crime. You could put up your own camera in a parked car. Filming is not illegal or invasive in public, it's actually protected, as long as you are not in an establishment or following someone without their knowledge (or harassing them obviously).. How do street streamers get away with it? Use the same tactics. What you would need really are private investigators if you want to do some real data collection though that could be used in court.
They will call it voter intimidation. We already know they cheat. The people who have investigative power are in on it.
We are willing to do everything but the right thing aren’t we?
Are the drop boxes still being used, or are you just referring to them coming up with a reason to use them again in November?
There is a story about a popular republican running. They democrats couldn't beat him straight so instead on a speech the candidate was giving the democrats snuck super supporters into the front row. These loud and very visible supporters wore all sorts of KKK or Nazi paraphernalia and that turned off other supporters to the Candidate.
Lesson we need to learn is always be careful as any successful action we take will immediately be co-opted by the evil cabel.
The only way to protect us is to have some type of buddy system or vetting system to weed out the bad actors they send. They are really that evil.
Video yes - but we don’t want our gaw fam to be arrested. You know the law - rules only apply to conservatives
Just keep in mind that you look up the local laws to avoid accusations of voter intimidation.
I like my idea better, set every one you see on fire.
they should be illegal
Another crazy thought. Watch the drop boxes, and when they shout voter intimidation, demand they follow the law? Insist on it, sit in style.
We would all get arrested for impeding an election, or some crap like that.
Make a photo sharing group. Post photo of ballot stuffer and their tag number. Watch them show up at each drop box.
I'm just worried they might spin action like this as voter intimidation.
That's dumb. The drop boxes need to be abolished. You can't go back after the fact and fix an election. You have to stop the fraud before it happens. They will just laugh at you when you go to court 6 months later and tell them you saw fraud at a drop box. This does nothing to fix the problem.
This is just one part of getting us there Fren. Shine the light on them, out them in public if need be. Gather photos, videos, license plates. Let everyone in your area know who these mules are. Peer pressure will start. Talk to loyal local LEO's and find out what they think are the legal ways to do this. This is not impossible.
Or, here me out here Fren. Just do away with the drop boxes all together. Have paper ballets. Have 100% ID check. Do away with the computers. Then the problem is solved and we don't have to break our backs months later trying to over turn something that never should have happened in the first place. Fren.
Oh I'm not disagreeing, but those changes won't happen by the next election. What you are talking about needs to happen, but as we both know, the powers that be won't do that.... yet.