and they just cant do it. no matter which way its explained to them. no matter how much information is given. even if they ask for it themselves at some point they just bow out. most end up not caring and drop the conversation and the ones who do care get so overwhelmed even with the most basic information that they just cant continue.
as anyone else experienced this? its every single vaccinated person ive ever met. not just a few. its like they are hardwired to dismiss anything that challenges that choice they made to get it
Yeah it’s called cognitive dissonance. It doesn’t matter how much factual information you use to prove your point. They will resist it because it causes them too much mental stress. If you push too hard then they’ll attack you.
^this
I stopped trying a long time ago. I have a coworker who’s married, straight, and cannot wait to get the monkey pox vaccine. Dude is vaxed and boosted from Covid and will probably keep getting boosted any chance he gets. It’s wild. I’ve tried waking him up, after the second attack I said my prayers and shut my mouth. I don’t believe this will end well for him. I’ll spare you the stories of family members who I’ve tried waking up. I let them attack me until it damn near pushed them out of my life. Again, I said my prayers and I shut my mouth. There’s nothing more I can do at this point. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.
Exactly this, I have had better luck with complete strangers ... I feel I made at least two people not get it, they were already questioning I just steered them to research I hope they didn’t give in. My family, my kids won’t get another but they took the 1st one, they won’t get the grandkids which I’m very thankful. Other family they have all gotten boosters, except for the one SIL, who we are hoping listened to us. One of my husbands nieces has breast cancer, is getting treated she was fine before ... they won’t make any connections... a good friend of my husbands now has Thrombosis, just fine before. He can’t work consistently it’s so sad but won’t make the connection either.
Wow! So amazing that once they get jabbed their minds create a stone wall around their reason. They have guards that keep all information on this topic OUT. This is mass transformation psychosis. Reality means nothing to them, just the fantasy they have been given. So sad and so unAmerican, i.e., Common Sense. They have none. this is a turning point in history, I think. And not for the better. Indoctrination is our greatest enemy.
Very, and worse there are so many that are having no symptoms (due to batches) so they point that out as well ... I’m done really trying to get people to see ...
Its typical of a person who knows they got scammed and knows that theres nothing they can do.
Yes yes. People also HATE being wrong. The media and their mommies told them they were sthuper sthmart all their lives.
Wylie keeps trusting in Acme products, too, like "trust the 'science'".
"Pleased to meet you. I am the Tooth Fairy, and I have omniscience."
4-6% lost forever...
As someone else had put it: They're like the unpopped kernels left over from a bag of popped popcorn.
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I've had some talks with my brother about it. He's double vaxed and willing to concede that it may not have been the best idea. You can't drill down too hard on these people because they do not want to recognize that they took poison that may kill them or jack them up. Sucks for them but completely understandable. I try to focus my talks with the vaxed by talking about how it doesn't work, no one is going to want to hear they're going to die from it.
Yup. Scares the daylights out if me to wonder what may be awaiting friends and relatives who are jabbed.
They should know about the potential for ill effects so they can try to make themselves as healthy as possible, but most aren't ready to deal with the info and would be resistant to it.
(Finding out you potentially messed up your body, intermittently emit a MAC address, are magnetic, have God-only-knows-what creatures or nano-somethings or fibrim clots in your body, face constantly-recurring illnesses, shortened your life, killed or maimed your baby, made yourself infertile/sterile or the like isn't something anybody WANTS to learn.)
my hope is that they one day research how to lessen the blow from any adverse events they may have
The frontline doctors and the late great Dr. Zelenko had some protocols for detoxing from the vax. Who knows how they detox you from something that is in your DNA but probably better than doing nothing at all.
It's called blood thinners
Of course they can't, they've already taken it. It causes them anxiety with nothing in return.
Simply put, for them to admit they were wrong is to admit they may have shortened their lifespans and living with that fear is overwhelming.
It's that cognitive dissonance. They have to justify their decision to vax and they have to screen out anything that implies it was a bad decision.
My neighbor and I were on the same page until he caved and got it for work. He's no longer interested in hearing any data or reports that don't bode well.
I get it...nobody likes to acknowledge they potentially killed themselves. To admit you caved because you didn't want to make any sacrifices in your lifestyle can be difficult.
He's still my friend and I pray for him, but it has changed our relationship to a degree.
I always ask the same question when the topic comes up, "So do you know how the Mrna vax works then"................
And it's always the same answer.............. "No".
Not one I have ever talked to about the vax (I always ask if they know which one they took) bothered to look into it, they were all brainwashed through MSM or fear and went straight for it.
I began trying to understand why people are like this 30 years ago. You can get 90% of the explanation from Objectivism, Dianetics and Gurdjieff.
I'm guessing the brainwashing methods used by proponents of each philosophy?
And you're literally posting from the brainwashing lexicon. Kek.
https://courses.aynrand.org/lexicon/dogma/
Ayn Rand will tell you abortion is a moral right, and embryos have no potential until they're outside of the womb. Fuck objectivism.
Abortion
An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn).
Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
The Voice of Reason
“Of Living Death” The Voice of Reason, 58–59
Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a “right to life.” A piece of protoplasm has no rights—and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . . Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals. For conscientious persons, an unwanted pregnancy is a disaster; to oppose its termination is to advocate sacrifice, not for the sake of anyone’s benefit, but for the sake of misery qua misery, for the sake of forbidding happiness and fulfillment to living human beings.
If any among you are confused or taken in by the argument that the cells of an embryo are living human cells, remember that so are all the cells of your body, including the cells of your skin, your tonsils, or your ruptured appendix—and that cutting them is murder, according to the notions of that proposed law. Remember also that a potentiality is not the equivalent of an actuality—and that a human being’s life begins at birth.
The question of abortion involves much more than the termination of a pregnancy: it is a question of the entire life of the parents. As I have said before, parenthood is an enormous responsibility; it is an impossible responsibility for young people who are ambitious and struggling, but poor; particularly if they are intelligent and conscientious enough not to abandon their child on a doorstep nor to surrender it to adoption. For such young people, pregnancy is a death sentence: parenthood would force them to give up their future, and condemn them to a life of hopeless drudgery, of slavery to a child’s physical and financial needs. The situation of an unwed mother, abandoned by her lover, is even worse.
I cannot quite imagine the state of mind of a person who would wish to condemn a fellow human being to such a horror. I cannot project the degree of hatred required to make those women run around in crusades against abortion. Hatred is what they certainly project, not love for the embryos, which is a piece of nonsense no one could experience, but hatred, a virulent hatred for an unnamed object. Judging by the degree of those women’s intensity, I would say that it is an issue of self-esteem and that their fear is metaphysical. Their hatred is directed against human beings as such, against the mind, against reason, against ambition, against success, against love, against any value that brings happiness to human life. In compliance with the dishonesty that dominates today’s intellectual field, they call themselves “pro-life.”
By what right does anyone claim the power to dispose of the lives of others and to dictate their personal choices?
The Objectivist Forum
“The Age of Mediocrity” The Objectivist Forum, June 1981, 3
A proper, philosophically valid definition of man as “a rational animal,” would not permit anyone to ascribe the status of “person” to a few human cells.
The Objectivist Forum
“The Age of Mediocrity” The Objectivist Forum, June 1981, 2
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/abortion.html
Ayn Rand gives you the definitions of words and says only "irrational animals" disagree with her definitions. Smart to insist there's no thought control behind her methodology.
Tom Cruise's statements on Scientology are just as much proof it's legitimate as Ayn Rand's quote is a validation of Objectivism.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/tom-cruise-breaks-silence-on-scientology-its-a-beautiful-religion
100%. I have a lot of friends who are otherwise conservative, but got vaxxed for varying reasons, mostly work (gov/mil), and are not boosted. None want to even talk about the Zelenko protocol. None have expressed remorse, just sheepish when the subject arises and either they change the topic or bow out of the convo.
The single biggest exception is my wife's new oncologist. She met him this week and he questioned her "allergies". One of which she had listed as "vaccines". He asked what vaccines and she said "the covid vaccine". As it turns out, the doc had gotten the first 2 shots before he realized he was being lied tie. He fell down the rabbit hole and in 2 years went from normie to full anon. He's even received a shout out or two from Dave at X22 because of his medical expertise. He stated to my wife that he has seen cancers explode in the last 18 months - new, aggressive cancers as well as ones returning from remission with a vengeance.
I don't talk to people who have been vaxxed about the vaxxed. I love on my pureblood friends. I warned my sister but she did it anyway. No point in talking about it now. Sad
I still talk to them about it not working, Not sure it's moving the needle but I don't want a whole bunch of people out there advocating for the Vax and convincing others to take it.
they've injected the kool-aide
The vaxxed will never willingly admit to others that they may have doomed themselves no matter what conclusion they have come to privately. When debating the death shot with the vaxxed you are asking them to admit to committing slow motion suicide. Not gonna happen.
it is the craziest thing. My friends CANNOT WAIT.
I can kinda understand their thinking. No one wants to believe that the made a YUGE mistake. So its easier to live in denial than face the facts and start worrying if you killed yourself.
They did NOT kill themselves! They were murdered in advance. This is a global mass murder situation that imposed the most massive crimes imaginable upon humanity. This is genocide. Not suicide.
It's both, they had a choice
A choice based upon a lie told by trusted institutions is not a choice. It's manipulation.
Yes it is manipulation, but it's still a choice.
They still got into their cars, drove to the clinic, got in line, and took the thing, all on their own.
And for some reason they didn’t try to bribe a lowly Walgreens lab tech with $1000 cash to shoot the vax into the sink. Would have been my last desperate attempt rather than take that poison.
That choice becomes awfully bleak when faced with the loss of employment. and income. 75% of America cannot afford to be out of work longer than a week at best before going negative.
It's a choice still, and many people had to courage to make the right one.
The only ones I can't possibly fault are the children, for they truly didn't have a choice..
edit: also, just to be clear, I'm not saying they should be persecuted or anything, they'll potentially already have a lot to deal with in the coming years if the vaccines are as bad as it seems.
The only thing I can't ever get behind is to pat them in the head and go "there there, it's not your fault, awwww"
Trust me I get it, my parents, inlaws, and my oldest kid are vaxxed. I tried to stop my daughter, but she's a lib know-it-all like her mom. She won't even entertain a detox regimen. It'll be hard to be sympathetic towards the parents however...
Then who the FUCK is buying all the 750K houses near me? Plenty of these people have money, they’re just dumb sheep.
People who made a lot of money on their last house.
Blackrock and Vanguard.
Their lack of critical thinking is slowly killing them. Very sad.
Maybe this is what we should open the conversation with. "It was not your fault. All the people you trusted deliberately pushed you towards this. You have every right to be angry at all of them"
First there's cognitive dissonance, then upon awakening comes righteous indignation; then comes rage and determination for justice. They have awakened a sleeping giant, AGAIN!
Kinda like the grieving process. You start with denial and work your way through until you reach acceptance.
inserts NPC-mask-cracking-off-angry-tearful Wojak here
This is why you can't talk to people.
This is why people won't wake up. Husband's great nephew 18 year old died of heart attack. Brother in law cancer came back. Niece's husband at 40 has stage 4 lung cancer and AFib. Oldest sister testing for lymphoma or leukemia. Cousin died of heart attack. All within 8 months. All VACCINATED.
His oldest sister the most recent to get sick sends him a card and says .. wait for it .. hope you are all vaccinated and masked.
Says stay home world is crazy with computers and guns.
Watchs MSNBC.
This is my neighborhood, my town, my church congregation. The sheer amount of heart issues, stage 4-cancers, elderly falls, leukemia, sudden deafness, seizures, all the doctor's baffled, is overwhelming. I can't tell them. People who I thought wouldn't get the shot got it after all. I only know a handful of people who didn't get it.
This is the same with people around me.
'watches MSNBC' - Well that certainly explains it.
No talking to them.
The single most important thing to remember when trying to awaken a normie with facts about the jab is to be compassionate with them about it as best you can. I say that because all of the normies were deceived by lying politicians and government officials and they were all hoodwinked into taking a shot designed to kill. Many regret their decisions and wish they could change them now and also they are deeply afraid the jab could kill them at any time after it is introduced into the body and it could be days or months or even years of living with the knowledge their body is under attack and their is nothing they can do about it. In other words be kind to them because none of this is their fault.
Yes it is
Either we progress to a world were accountability/personal responsibility rules, or we don't, there's no middle ground
They're responsible for their decision, period
All they'll ever get from me is truth and reality, no sugar coating.
We create our reality, they made the choice to go along with it. It is their fault, but it doesn't mean we should be mean about it. Showing kindness is still the best strategy.
Don’t worry, Big Pharma is going to sell them a solution, probably a pricey biologic drug that they have to stay on for life because of their new “autoimmune” disease.
Its as bad as TDS
"Hardwired." Interesting word choice, especially after all these poison jabs.
First, they have to be awakened to the fact that the media and government and corporations lie about everything else. Once they stop trusting those people, they will be able to focus their anger about the vax on those same people. It's too hard to blame yourself.
No. I know a lot of people that have since "come out" as non-vaxxed and I know a few that have regrets but then refused boosters....One lady in her 80's was right pissed about it. She's had some stupid side effects and her friend did too. She did some online research and was very willing to talk about the lies.
In-laws got the shot. They both know now what a bad decision it was. They listen to bongeno, read GAW posts occasionally, and sometimes even find news I missed, or didn't send them.
They are pretty based, especially considering when I first married in Tthey were registered Democrat.
Now she fights with her family and challenges them on posts and shared stuff on FB. We can have great discussions on most topics.
FYI, yes seems impossible, but it is possible!!!! Be careful of your approach. Present little facts to let them think for themselves, evoke them to ask the questions. Tiny bit at a time. Much easier with biden in wh. It can take time.
they know they fucked up. Bad.
Some probably don't want to follow the conversation to the logical ending...
One thing to keep with you is, we all tried and we keep trying that’s all we can do and hope and pray to God they can be healed. ❤️
One huge thing I realized is how many people are frankly unable to say the words “I’m sorry for your loss” when I say my friend died from the vaccine. I have not yet had one vaccinated person say that to me. They can’t process or accept what I’m telling them.
I used to get the same reaction about "conspiracy theories" as well. They just stare at you like you have lobsters coming out of your ears.
I have a relative who won't discuss the vax deaths and injuries because it is too much for them to deal with. They have specifically told me they don't want to hear it as they can't "do anything about it". It is just too devastating to them. They are Unvaxxed.
So, I guess for someone vaxxed, that would be amplified. The fear, guilt and helpless feeling for themselves, much less when they start to fully comprehend the whole vast picture, could be overwhelming.
It's Denial, they can't accept that they poisoned themselves. DENY DENY DENY. it's a protection measure. They are lying to themselves. And now they hope that their ok. But they are not. Every day every second their own body continues to grow and release more spike proteins. Slowly their bodies continue to damage themselves. And so they continue to deny the truth.
I agree. Some people you can't talk to. They are like children they put their fingers in their ears and say la la la la.
Others when you say stuff you see fear in their eyes and they don't want to talk.
Adding - I'd love to see an ad hoc survey on Twitter or someplace where normies hang out - which asks "if you could undo vax and boosters, would you?".
Twitter is 90% bots
Yes various replies such as “don’t go there, I’m not gonna discuss it, I’m not dead yet, the FDA approved it, it’s a conspiracy theory, when citing Dr Malone How do u know he’s right?, Your not a doctor, … etc etc.
They're are beyond retarded
I work with a guy who bragged about getting the jab. My response was to ask him what's in the shot? He didn't reply. When the tv said to get the boost, he ran out and got it. Can't fix stupid.
I find that the jab is a really hard one for people because it will kill them and there's nothing they can do about it now. Other issues are far more potent red pills to drop on people.