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Remember the Q post with the boxes of what was presumably iPhones? What if the X phones are already made? (h/t u/TCPatriot) (see context/top comment) (qalerts.app) 🍎 OCCUPY APPLE 🍎
posted 3 years ago by catsfive (context) 3 years ago by catsfive +256 / -0
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– Uncle_Fester 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

Now that's what I was thinking. A Starlink satphone is such a no brainer even Biden/Festermann could think of it.

I'll bet he's just waiting for the opportune moment to release them.

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– Bob_Bitchin 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That was for the vax nanobots

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– OutSideTheCamp 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Maybe, he'll explore Antarctica, next. Blow the lid off of that one!

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– Enlightenment_Now 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

https://www.thetealmango.com/technology/tesla-model-pi-smartphone-price-specifications-and-release-date/

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– HOSEQ 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

This might be better....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1C-41tq64

But then.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JegLmtOfJpE

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– Based_in_Space 19 points 3 years ago +19 / -0

I wonder if the whole ‘chip shortage’ months back was made up FABrication for this reason.

Oh oops millions of X phones show up just in time for Xmas. How’d that happen?! Haha.

That’d be awesome though.

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– TexSolo 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

My what if is, what if he already has the phones made and offers up a free ElonPhone if you turn in your iphone. Booooooom

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– Goldenhawk 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

...i would gladly trade my iphone for a ePhone yesterday

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– Bob_Bitchin 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Turn in to him? For what reason? Pass. Valentine anyone? (Kingsman for the slowies)

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– I_Hate_Wet_Socks 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Not sure why the downvotes.... we all know predictive programming exists and the ease with which a scenario like the plot in the kingsman couod be played out is not as unlikely as you might think 2ith the tech that exists today plus the stuff we are not told about.

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– QuackQuack 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

It's too late to push them for Christmas IMO. The retail cycle is aggressive and with zero buildup it would flop.

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– pedewithweed 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

The chip shortage definitely wasnt made up. Game companies havent been able to get SoC's for their new consoles in recent years

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– Hemanbattlecat 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Probably not, but a cool thought.

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– Diamfha 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Most people are stuck in contracts and wouldn’t be able to switch phones for years anyway

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– catsfive [M] [S] 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

https://greatawakening.win/p/16ZX3Njsb3/coke--coke--cook/

Again, skim for u/TCPatriot's comment, but the whole discussion around it. Possible?

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– TCPatriot 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Thanks! 😀

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– Enlightenment_Now 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

https://www.thetealmango.com/technology/tesla-model-pi-smartphone-price-specifications-and-release-date/

Tesla Pi phone?

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– Joys1Daughter 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yes. YES. YES!! 💥

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– Wtf_socialismreally 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

Technologically, the only way to defeat Apple would be to have phones in a similar performance range. If these were made years ago, they would be generations behind.

People aren't just buying phones for Twitter.

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– spanglevision 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

you make a great point but there are plenty of people who don't want to edit videos or play games on their phones. a phone with a bash shell and a web browser is good enough for me.

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– Corse46 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

You are the unbelievably extreme minority lol. I work in IT and I would never want something like that. I do and have always used iPhones (since I handed in the BlackBerry in roughly 2010) because they work and rarely ever break.

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– inspir3dgenius 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

There's a lot I'm willing to give up in a phone if it means I can cut invasive companies out. A nice camera isn't one of them, but I get more use out of the calculator than I do for most of the apps on here and I have to actually work to disable permissions for the stock garbage every time there's an upgrade.

There needs to be a more customizable option for how we can promote online personal privacy.

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– deleted 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0
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– inspir3dgenius 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I agree, but GrapheneOS has incredibly low reach potential. Last I looked, it was stably available for Pixels and one other model. I don't want to have to buy a Google phone to get it to work. Otherwise, I'd be off Android already.

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– HardWorkinPatriot 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Mine goes dead a lot, but then that is their scam. I've refused to get a new one because they programmed that in their updates. There was a massive lawsuit against them on that.

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– Madrashro 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Agreed - a phone with a basic bash shell and web browser will satisfy roughly 0.000000002% of the smartphone market.

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– Wtf_socialismreally 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

HDR, high refresh rate panels (easier on the eyes due to the smoothness and more responsive) faster biometric unlocks (say what you will about trust/distrust, I'm talking about average people) better audio quality, stronger network controllers / better WiFi speeds, better battery optimization (power per performance improves with every generation), better features like super fast charging / wireless charging, operating system level over charge limitations to prevent you from charging past 75-85% to increase your battery's lifetime, so on.

A lot of features, and while a lot of the OS features can be pre-resolved, I wouldn't take less performance for my money.

I have always hated Apple so I choose the more open ended platform that I can keep at arm's length with third party support (Android) but even if I had an iPhone, I would not leap to less performance for a Twitter app.

In order to compete, they'll have to build up to it. Which will take time, money..and manufacturing/fabs.

Not exactly easy to create your own microarchitecture, and Nvidia (and therefore ARM) / AMD / Intel are all in pretty deep within the established stuff.

Indeed, I think Elon could probably build it off of the Android platform which would either force Google's hand yet again to make a sweeping change to remove the freedom Android users have (which would create an exodus of developers and users) or he'll achieve the goals as you can install third party apps very easily.

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– TakeItBack 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

This is what I am looking at: https://ubports.com

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– spanglevision 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Nice. I was looking at this one: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/

 

Your device is much more affordable although the device site seems to be in German? Makes me wonder if it'll work on networks in the U.S.

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– TakeItBack 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Hmmm, I did not see German there. Will take another look. Yeah the Purism is quite pricey....made in US though. If I had the $$, I'd probably go for that one.

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– spanglevision 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

https://ubports.com/supported-products

Clicking on "Order Here" will take you here: https://volla.online/de/shop/index.php?catalog/tag/ubuntu+touch/date/1

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– TakeItBack 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Ah, I can see right now in the URL that it's a German site. Thank you; I had not got to doing that because I am nowhere ready to order anything. 👍

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– Corse46 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

This. The amount of people getting out the "pom-poms" for an "ElonPhone" and actually believing it would be successful, are mind blowing to me. There was a time when BlackBerry looked like it would own the business world forever. Apple was able to nearly make them extinct within a few years. it's because the product itself was WORLDS better than the BlackBerry. Microsoft, Amazon, and BlackBerry have all tried to dethrone the iPhone and failed. Until something truly better comes along, you are not going to break people away from that iPhone iCloud ecosystem.

And the phone would have to have equal build quality - which judging by the build quality of Tesla, would have to improve significantly. Tesla's are put together like shit. Build and paint defects galore.

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– ThePowerOfPrayer 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

it's because the product itself was WORLDS better than the BlackBerry.

You mean the marketing was.

iPhones have always been overrated and nothing more than expensive toys compared to their similar priced Android counterparts. They've tied people into their ecosystem because the majority of Apple users have no idea how to rip their iTunes music collection and put it on an SD card apparently.

In 2012, I purchased my first smart phone, a Samsung Galaxy Note II. It blew the iPhone 5 away. I could even hook up a controller to it with a USB OTG cable and play arcade and other emulated games on the go.

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– ObviousStatementMan 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Agreed. Apple's iPhones are pieces of overpriced shit. My wife demanded to have one, the speaker broke in 6 months (no damage done), Apple replaced it. Then the mic on the 2nd phone broke (no damage done), Apple charged me to speak with them, and refused to replace it.

I tried backing up the data to buy a real, working phone (Android + Samsung) and it was encrypted. After 4 hours I finally managed to extract everything.

I took it outside, cherry bombed it with a metal baseball bat, and never looked back. Apple is a marketing gimmick company with shit quality products that only preserve market share due to how hard they make it to migrate to a better option.

"From 2017 and 2021, Apple barely hit 20% of the global smartphone market in annual sales, according to research data."

They are not some kind of untouchable titan in the industry. Android OS runs circles around iOS. Even domestically, it's less than 50% of the market, and we're hardcore Apple fanbois here in the US.

It's the next Blackberry and I hope someone disrupts the market in a big way. A StarLink phone w/o bloatware and an intelligent app marketplace would be an awesome alternative to have.

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– Deaf_MAGA_Pede 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

You can get an Android phone without the bloatware if you install a custom ROM with AOSP (Android Open Source Project) but you may run into conflicts with apps that relies on certain services and dependencies.

If you just want a bare-bone phone that will only do texting, emailing and some more (calling including), a custom ROM will do all of that and won't come with the bloatware.

we're hardcore Apple fanbois here in the US.

Outside of my social circle, I've seen a lot with an iPhone but the ones I know, don't have an iPhone. The ones who I know that owns an iPhone, are the ones who are naive, gullible and not so intelligent.

This is why I've always considered the iPhone more of a social status for the dummies. No offense to anyone on here who owns an iPhone but for me, it's very limited as if we're in a walled garden and I couldn't do much with it as far as customizing goes. Not even interested in jailbreaking an iPhone to unlock "features" that was already on an Android phone with the stock ROM. Plus it's always 2 years behind on everything. It took Apple forever to implement Bluetooth and NFC (I believe it has NFC now?)

That's why my first smart phone was the G1 and I loved it so much I kept buying Google's flagship phones. I would switch to a different OS/phone now that Google is a cucked company, but my options are limited here.

If Elon's new phone will be Android/Linux based, I will switch to it in a heartbeat, but if it will follow the same vein as the iPhone, no thanks.

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– ObviousStatementMan 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Well said Anon.

Totally agree with everything you said.

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– Madrashro 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

That’s entirely fair, but just remember that the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 was essentially a ripoff of the iPhone that came before it. Virtually every significant feature of that we now consider a “smartphone” was pioneered by the iPhone.

I don’t say that with any joy - I hope Android and other Apple competitors claw their way up and supplant Apple in terms of innovation - it’s just silly to pretend that Apple didn’t essentially define the market.

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– Deaf_MAGA_Pede 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

And the iPhone was a ripoff of the Star Trek communicator that Samsung has proven in court many times.

Remember Apple's motto, "Good Artists copy, Great Artists steal" and they stole everything from that Star Trek communicator but blamed Samsung of doing the same thing. That's why I've always viewed Apple as a hypocritical company for a long time.

"It's revolutionary!" is a cringe phrase so whenever Apple say, "it's revolutionary!", that means they stole something or or finally implemented a 2 year+ old technology in their "revolutionary" phone (see the Bluetooth situation).

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– Madrashro 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

But the Star Trek communicator wasn’t real? And didn’t bear much similarly to an iPhone?

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– Deaf_MAGA_Pede 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah it was more of the physical features of the communicator. Apple made the claim that it was unique and no one have replicated it before but Samsung showed the S.T. communicator in court, which bears similar resemblance to the iPhone as far as the rectangular form and color in appearance goes. There's more to that but it has been a long time and I'm not really interested in the Android v. iPhone thing anymore as both companies are cucked.

I'm just waiting for the next best competitor to the cucked companies so I can switch away from Android and to a Linux-based OS that would rival Android.

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– Scipio_Americanus 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Eh, Apple brought all the basic smartphone features to the market, but they seemed to stop innovating in good ways. Their Apple Pay is proprietary, whereas Samsung phones simply create a magnetic field that mimics a card strip - so they can be used anywhere someone can swipe and the business doesn't need to buy a special terminal. Android also has handy features like using a swiping motion to quickly take a screenshot (I blew an iBot's mind when he saw me do that on my phone.)

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– Annoyedwiththedevoid 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Samsung removed MST (the magnetic strip faker you just described) after the S10 series, the S20 and up don't have it

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– Scipio_Americanus 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That's crazy... the fold has it (I think I have the Fold 2.) Damnit, can't keep anything nice....

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– ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Virtually every significant feature of that we now consider a “smartphone” was pioneered by the iPhone.

Nope. iPhone released in 2007 was a Palm Pilot without a stylus and with phone capabilities. Software was less refined than Palm OS.

https://history-computer.com/palm-pilot-guide/

Palm made a phone called Treo that had a physical keyboard and slightly smaller screen than iPhone.

Only real "innovations" was eliminating physical keyboard for touchscreen. PDAs at the time were very similar and many were more powerful. You just couldn't make a phone call with them.

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– Madrashro 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah, but “eliminating a physical keyboard for a touchscreen” is literally the defining hallmark or all modern smartphone. After Apple, they are all black glass rectangles.

That’s like saying all Ford did was apply four wheels to an internal combustion engine, none of which he invented.

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– ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah, but “eliminating a physical keyboard for a touchscreen” is literally the defining hallmark or all modern smartphone.

Again, the Palm Pilot and many other PDAs had no keyboards. They just weren't phones.

The reason the Palm Pilot used a stylus was because the designers didn't like the idea of grubby fingerprints all over the screen. Go figure.

I feel part of the reason Steve Jobs was so against a stylus for the iPhone or iPad was because people might look into the history of the devices Apple copied and realize it really wasn't the first after all. It's no coincidence it took nearly 4 years after Jobs' death before the Apple Pencil was released.

The Sony Clie is yet another example of a device that came out 5 years before the iPhone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8N2i9s2Ux4

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– RugerP89 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

>iPhone was WORLDS better
>build quality
>paint defects

Your thought process is acting under an old paradigm.


"Why is Elon Musk the richest man alive?

Who decides who gets to be richest? Is it the market? Supply and demand?

In the 1990’s a great many people had started using a computer tied to Bill Gates in some fashion, this is why when he was announced as richest man on the planet most could understand the causality of how it happened.

Can you say the same thing about the current richest man alive?

Really, how many SpaceX products do you use daily? Tesla has a 3% U.S. market so what is driving this growth? What does it mean to have that title of richest? What do they do with that wealth? Is it some kind of giant Scrooge McDuck tower situation filled with gold or is there an actual purpose to it?

Why did his money skyrocket so dramatically around 2020?"

https://decodingsymbols.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/elon-musk/

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– TakeItBack 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I loved my iPhone but lousy battery life, their business practices and tight control of their products made me finally ditch it a year ago. Have an android, hate google, but there are other options with those phones.

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– catsfive [S] 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

But I'd buy a two year old phone that comes with space access

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– FreeinFL2020 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Maybe that’s what they want you to think, maybe Apple already has the tech and deliberately holds it back to roll out a slightly better phone each year for bank

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– Wtf_socialismreally 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Well... Yes, sort of. This is literally how technology development works and how you fund R&D. Nvidia is developing GPUs, what.. 3 generations ahead at any given time?

The problem is that Apple doesn't have the technology that Elon would need anyway.

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– Hoshi 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Apple phones have already peaked. The only difference between this years phone and last years phone is the camera. If however we bypassed the issue with dead zones due to satellite coverage then at least not only does ATT and Verizon take a huge hit but so does Apple because that is something people want now they can't get.

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– Wtf_socialismreally 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

There is no peak to technology. It is a perpetual advancement industry.

Dealing with the notch (due to the OLED display that they could have used last year) is already an advancement that would make a good chunk of every day users upgrade.

But yes, this generation was a really weak upgrade but this is part of the problem with how frequently phone generations come.

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– Madrashro 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Satellite coverage usually is not great indoors, which is a huge problem with satellite phones for your average cell phone user.

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– Patriot_Perks 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Can’t wait to get my X phone

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– Armymedic88 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

He has already made a phone. The Pi Phone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyr5WIVy40U&ab_channel=FutureUnity

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– Madrashro 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Excellent catch

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– NicoleDuhtrole 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

In totally unrelated news, Raspberry Pi are almost impossible to get without getting scalped.

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– Deaf_MAGA_Pede 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

What really?! I have two Raspberry Pis 4 but I haven't been monitoring Pi news so what's going on?

Could it be because Raspberry Pi don't have a backdoor access for their ARM processor so they want to force backdoor access on future models? I read that Intel is going to come out with new CPUs that will come with a subscription plan where you pay more to unlock additional features on your CPU. I think Intel also have backdoor access for Microsoft to exploit in case of anything i.e. hacking, child porn and all that, but I suspect it's not for any of these reasons...

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– TexSolo 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I totalky think hes already got a phone ans ready to spring it. Like Trump, he doesnt dlo or say sruff unless hes got it xovered. Hes been swinging his dick too hard to not have plans already made.

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– dty6 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

ohhhhhh WHAT IF??????

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– MantisTabagan 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Cook flew Elon from LA to SF to kiss his ask and apologize today, so I don’t think the Twitter thing is still an issue.

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– catsfive [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

It's not Apple vs Musk it's Deep State vs Musk. Cook still would very much like to see Musk eliminated

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– MathletesFoot 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

This is does not address the underlying issue.

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– catsfive [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

What is it?

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– surdog 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Love it! Great theory

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– FullDisQlosure 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

What would the operating system be?

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– jackrotten 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Blackberry

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– WuTangFlu2020 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Then drop them! I’m supposed to get a new phone this coming weekend!

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– Striker1 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

This completely makes sense! It’s not a novel idea to take something good and make it better. They know we know we’ve been spied on so that’s a pretty big crowd that would switch then add new features and it’s a good deal for all.

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– TDanonDJTJR2024 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

made me laugh super hard but probably not right

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– TrumpsTower 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

This post sounds like its flushing out the cia and closing open servers connected to china selling our secrets.

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– Suidlander 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

An Elon phone would almost certainly exclusively use StarLink, because the cabal (TMobile, AT&T, Verizon, etc) would most assuredly not host the phone on THEIR network. A repeater for the car, home, & office etc would be another source of revenue, since I do believe he would not be able to access bandwidth on any existing network.

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– Madrashro 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

A satellite-only phone would lose coverage anywhere indoors - no bueno for most of us.

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– Suidlander 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I have a cable with a reciever/transmitter on one end I attach to my Iridium Extreme 9575 for car/indoor use (similar to SiriusXM but also transmits) I cannot imagin Elon would not provide the same. ⁹

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– Madrashro 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

But you still have to be outdoors for that, no?

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– Suidlander 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

No. The transceiver is on your roof (house or car), connected to your satphone by the cable.

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– schiff_for_brains 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Then the processors would be very old.

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– Brent75 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Catsy, so what you’re telling me is: if I yell expletives at my iPhone, TV, Microwave, Home Phone, Laptop, Alexa, my Ring doorbell, all my phone chargers, both my cars, and at every item in the electronic section at Walmart, Best Buy, and Target, or any store with electronics anywhere, the CCP will get the F-ing messages?! Oh shit! Time to act like a fruitcake but piss off the CCP Kek Kek!!

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This is The Great Awakening. Our community is international, focused on helping ourselves and others walk away from the programming, and return our governments to "by the people, for the people!"



Follow the Law

No posts or comments that violate laws in your jurisdiction or the United States. The Feds are always watching!



No Bad Behavior!

No doxing, including revealing personal information of non-public figures, as well as addresses, phone numbers, etc. of public figures. All GAW users must adhere to the highest standards of conduct, whichever .WIN they are on. If we are notified by other moderators of incivil behavior on other .WINs, you WILL be banned here!



Civil Discussion ONLY**

They want you divided.

They want you labeled by race, religion, class, sex, etc.

Divided you are weak [no collective power].

Divided you attack each other and miss the true target [them].



No PAYtriots/No Self Promotion

Linking or promoting merchandise, fundraising, or spamming personal websites, blogs, or channels is not permitted. Do not attempt to profit from Q or advertise for those who do. Peace is the prize. We do it for free.



Questions and Concerns

All moderation questions and concerns should be submitted via modmail. DO NOT GRIEF the mods.



Expand your thinking

Remember, this .WIN is the public face of the Great Awakening, and, as a member here, you agree to represent the Great Awakening movement against Globalism, Communism and Progressive Insanity in the best, most positive way possible. NOTE: Your comments and posts may become news. Keep it classy!

This is not a 'fringe conspiracy' site: Visit https://conspiracies.win if that's your thing!



No doomers or shills

If you can't use common sense, you'll get banned without hesitation. If you're a shill, you fall under this rule. If you're a doomer, you fall under this rule as you just add garbage to the site like the other two. This includes forum sliding.



General Rules

  • Mods will issue NO warnings, followed by temporary bans and/or permanent bans. DO NOT GRIEF THE MODS.

  • Keep posts related to topics Q has raised or that are current.

  • Keep post duplication (especially from other .WINs) to a minimum.

  • HIGH EFFORT, HIGH-INFO posts only! Please respect other readers' time. Please use descriptive titles. No URLs in titles, pls. No clickbait.

  • No fame-fagging; no, "your" post did not get removed! Were you the original author?? Eyes on the prize, people!

  • Memes encouraged, but no low-quality, low-info posts.

  • Keep it honest and accurate.

  • GAW Supporters ONLY. (Sorry, the train had no brakes.)

  • Handshake noobs will be scrutinized by their Q knowledge, sincerity, and respect.

  • Remember, your conduct here represents the Q movement! OUR ENEMIES ARE WATCHING!

  • Please direct all complaints to modmail first!


Resources


WELCOME TO THE DIGITAL BATTLEFIELD


"River of Search" script:


GAW post formatting tips


Q Research (Q only posts at 8kun)


Q post archives (qagg.news) others 1 2 3 4


Browse Drops from the beginning


QProofs.com


Learn to read the Q map


Book of Q Proofs v1.3 (pdf)


Law of War & Majic Eyes Qnly Resources


Trumps twitter archive


POTUS: The Calm Before The Storm


Pedosta and DNC dumps


GIFs & QPosts


Poll Post Format


SPY ON US! See: mod Logs


The Greatest Show on Earth!


New to Q? "The Earth Chronicles Ep 12: Q & The White-Hat Op: What's Real, What's Not?"


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