All these taxes are absurd. In addition to these criminal taxes upon taxes upon taxes is the incredibly insane tollway system several states have. You pay taxes to drive on the roads every year, but then they install TOLLS for you to pay AGAIN!!! CA, IL have tolls and probably a lot more. Nothing makes me cringe more than seeing tollway stations.
Unpopular Opinion: From a fiscal standpoint, Toll roads are an excellent way to manage road allocations. In other words, why should you get taxed on a pack of gum, then the money flows through the goverment and somehow ends up funding some portion of the highway. That opens a lot of areas for government theft, misallocation, etc. But if you pay for your mileage on the road you drive on, you fund it's proper maintenance and expansion without having to use other tax revenue to close the gap. Also, as more cars go to electric (like it or not) then the gas tax revenue is going to disappear - so getting toward taxing cars on the roads they actually drive on makes good sense. And a toll road is much less intrusive than some kind of gps monitor (even though your car is doing that already)
You could tax directly for road usage (a "toll" is really a usage fee, not a tax, but they are effectively the same thing in this case), or you could put a tax on fuel.
I have no problem with paying for infrastructure on use. I'm OK with toll roads (AKA usage fees). But both road tolls and fuel taxes are intended to pay for the road. We currently have a fuel tax, and that's not going anywhere. Having a toll as well is a double tax.
Worse, both of those taxes don't actually pay for the roads anyways. Infrastructure is paid for by new loans from the bank, which loans are then then used to justify income tax.
In the UK, your car documents refer to the "registered keeper" rather than the owner. Maybe the crown own all the cars. I've always been curious about that.
You're spot on propertyofUniverse. The crown owns all the cars here in the US as well as anywhere else that has "registrations".
As you aptly point out, the "registered keeper" is the party that gets "beneficial use" of the property, which in the no-longer-taught world of trust law is known as equitable title. By filling out an Application to "register" (Regis = to give to the king) the car, you are handing over the LEGAL TITLE to the Crown. And the party that owns the legal title has absolute ownership of the property. No different than the grantor/settlor of a trust having absolute property ownership but granting use and enjoyment privileges of the property to the beneficiaries.
The same also goes for homes, land, boats, motorcycles, etc.
The is known as "divided title" or "split title" in common law.
And how do they get away with this? Well of course, you never LAWFULLY "exchanged value" for the car with the use of something of equal value, aka "Money" (gold or silver). Instead, you used promissory notes, aka fiat currency, which has no value as it is only a debt discharge instrument. So you just handed the previous owner of the car some "I owe you's" instead of something of "lawful consideration" value.
In order to have lawful ownership without dividing title, you need to hold the MSO/MCO (Manufacturer's Statement/Certificate of Ownership) for the vehicle, which is the REAL TITLE that the car dealerships normally send to the state government after you file your "application for registration". You then receive a "Certificate of Title" which is the equitable title only granting you beneficial use of the property.
You would also technically need to purchase the car in gold/silver or something "Real" to properly satisfy the rules of contract requiring an "equal exchange of value" as the fraudulent legal system, under statutory policy does not consider promissory notes to be anything other than debt discharge instruments.
Deception at it's finest, eh?
And this is why I call the system we're living under Neo-Feudalism. It's much more sophisticated than the old feudal system of course as it's not obvious. Hence the reason we always here "our democracy" which is code fo this neo-feudal system as we are being dominated under a "legislative democracy" instead of the Constitutional Republic we naively believe. Where "Legislative" derives from "legal" or the "Liege" system of feudalism. The "liege lords" never went away, they just changed the rules of the game.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe
Next time you need to buy a car, tell the dealership you're going to be moving and/or taking the car to another country and then they will give you the MCO/MSO and skip the title & registration process.
The folks that work at the dealership aren't aware of any of this. That's why they'll happily hand you the MSO/MCO if you say you're taking the car out of country.
Only judges/magistrates understand how this works.
What would be interesting is trying to use gold/silver to make the purchase at the dealership. I doubt they would say they can accept it. This ultimately protects the deception "legally", even if you do get your hands on the MCO/MSO.
We have to extricate ourselves from this system, individually. Nobody can do it for you. Consider there are millions of people that not only like, but actually depend on the liege lord governments for their subsistence.
Choosing to exercise your "Right of self-determination", aka "self-governance" is an individual choice. Many simply aren't ready for this as they are deeply brainwashed into being dependents. These are the democrats/leftists/labor folks that think free lunches actually exist.
I believe that the US lost the war of 1812, but the British allowed us to be "independent." We use titles of nobility, and "judges" and "lawyers" register with the "Bar" to "practice" "law."
Yes, kinda true. This is when they destroyed all copies of the original 13th amendment which barred anybody holding a "title of nobility" from holding public office - including "esquires" of course.
The British tried again with the 2nd Bank of America that Jackson eventually destroyed. The final coup was the civil war, after which they instituted the "legal system", introduced the corporation (talking corpse) and the ABA (American Bar Association) and the "Department of Injustice" all in the 1860-1875 time frame while the south was held captive under martial law.
So many people point their fingers at the bankers, but it's the legal system that really pulls all the strings. Both of course issuing from the City of London, Westminster, Inns of the Court, Temple Bar.
The great confusion people have is the misuse and misunderstanding of so many important words. And this is why we find ourselves in the mess we are in.
Words like Law, Tax, Money etc. are all being deceptively used to deceive the ignorant masses.
Laws are laws. They are immutable and self-evident. These are the only kinds of laws there are.
What masquerades as "laws" in the public consciousness are statutes, codes, acts, ordinances, decrees, executive orders, etc. All of these are private corporate POLICIES, not "laws".
Taxes are payments to the liege lords of the legal system where we pay our allegiance to our lords unwittingly. As no man owes another man anything of value unless there is a contract between the two.
Money is gold and silver or any real property of equal value as determined by the two parties in contract. This is known as "lawful consideration". But "legal tender" is not, by definition, "lawful consideration" under the legal/liege lord neo-feudal system. Legal tender is, by definition, only "currency" which acts merely as debt discharge instrument between peasants.
Money is taxed at both ends every time it changes hands, this is an unsustainable model because you eventually run out of money to tax, and/or overprinting makes money worthless. Thats where we are right now.
Well technically you don't own the car. The vehicles certificate of origin is sent to the state and the state issues you a title. That would sound like one who holds the title has ownership but actually the state holds ownership and the title in this sense "entitles" one to use of the vehicle. It does not convey ownership.
This is the same as property taxes. Land patents are what convey ownership, we get deeds to the land which is a contract that allows use of the land and appears like ownership but isn't. We can no longer get land patents in the United States.
Don't you just love lawyers? If you know one personally ask them about the oath they take when they join the BAR.
fyi...you actually don’t own the car. You have equitable title only. Your state has the full title given to them by the dealer/manufacturer. They split the title and hold the full title so they can charge “rent” for their asset that you paid for them to have in the form of property taxes.
Since you used debt (fiat dollar) to “buy” it and not Constitutional money (Article I, Section 10), you don’t get full title even when “paid off”.
Solution: buy used or off-lease through an LLC owned by you (95%) & friend (5%), take accelerated depreciation deduction (>40/30/20/10<) for 4 years, personal sale to yourself in year 5 from LLC for silver eagles. Federal Lawsuit against STATE DMV Corp domiciled in Wash DC ($402) to get full title.
During years 1-4 property taxes are deductible corp expenses of LLC that flow through to personal taxes.
Property tax is probably the most disgusting of all thefts. Kindly fix, tyvm!
All taxation is theft but especially income tax, property tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax and gambling tax.
How about food taxes clothing taxes cleaning taxes all is taxes.
All these taxes are absurd. In addition to these criminal taxes upon taxes upon taxes is the incredibly insane tollway system several states have. You pay taxes to drive on the roads every year, but then they install TOLLS for you to pay AGAIN!!! CA, IL have tolls and probably a lot more. Nothing makes me cringe more than seeing tollway stations.
Tolls are part of a plan to make free movement less efficient
Unpopular Opinion: From a fiscal standpoint, Toll roads are an excellent way to manage road allocations. In other words, why should you get taxed on a pack of gum, then the money flows through the goverment and somehow ends up funding some portion of the highway. That opens a lot of areas for government theft, misallocation, etc. But if you pay for your mileage on the road you drive on, you fund it's proper maintenance and expansion without having to use other tax revenue to close the gap. Also, as more cars go to electric (like it or not) then the gas tax revenue is going to disappear - so getting toward taxing cars on the roads they actually drive on makes good sense. And a toll road is much less intrusive than some kind of gps monitor (even though your car is doing that already)
You could tax directly for road usage (a "toll" is really a usage fee, not a tax, but they are effectively the same thing in this case), or you could put a tax on fuel.
I have no problem with paying for infrastructure on use. I'm OK with toll roads (AKA usage fees). But both road tolls and fuel taxes are intended to pay for the road. We currently have a fuel tax, and that's not going anywhere. Having a toll as well is a double tax.
Worse, both of those taxes don't actually pay for the roads anyways. Infrastructure is paid for by new loans from the bank, which loans are then then used to justify income tax.
It's just a swarm of tax fuckery all around.
Agreed - on all points!
Don't forget NY/NJ. Tons of tolls everywhere.
That is why I have used my GPS avoiding tolls.
Wait for the GPS tax for the drivers who still have the privilege to drive
Property "tax" should be declared unconstitutional.
It is and already was. The People have to act and they won't.
http://www.annavonreitz.com/
If money is involved then you don't own it.
You took the words right outta my mouth
RIP Meatloaf
In the UK, your car documents refer to the "registered keeper" rather than the owner. Maybe the crown own all the cars. I've always been curious about that.
You're spot on propertyofUniverse. The crown owns all the cars here in the US as well as anywhere else that has "registrations".
As you aptly point out, the "registered keeper" is the party that gets "beneficial use" of the property, which in the no-longer-taught world of trust law is known as equitable title. By filling out an Application to "register" (Regis = to give to the king) the car, you are handing over the LEGAL TITLE to the Crown. And the party that owns the legal title has absolute ownership of the property. No different than the grantor/settlor of a trust having absolute property ownership but granting use and enjoyment privileges of the property to the beneficiaries.
The same also goes for homes, land, boats, motorcycles, etc.
The is known as "divided title" or "split title" in common law.
And how do they get away with this? Well of course, you never LAWFULLY "exchanged value" for the car with the use of something of equal value, aka "Money" (gold or silver). Instead, you used promissory notes, aka fiat currency, which has no value as it is only a debt discharge instrument. So you just handed the previous owner of the car some "I owe you's" instead of something of "lawful consideration" value.
In order to have lawful ownership without dividing title, you need to hold the MSO/MCO (Manufacturer's Statement/Certificate of Ownership) for the vehicle, which is the REAL TITLE that the car dealerships normally send to the state government after you file your "application for registration". You then receive a "Certificate of Title" which is the equitable title only granting you beneficial use of the property.
You would also technically need to purchase the car in gold/silver or something "Real" to properly satisfy the rules of contract requiring an "equal exchange of value" as the fraudulent legal system, under statutory policy does not consider promissory notes to be anything other than debt discharge instruments.
Deception at it's finest, eh?
And this is why I call the system we're living under Neo-Feudalism. It's much more sophisticated than the old feudal system of course as it's not obvious. Hence the reason we always here "our democracy" which is code fo this neo-feudal system as we are being dominated under a "legislative democracy" instead of the Constitutional Republic we naively believe. Where "Legislative" derives from "legal" or the "Liege" system of feudalism. The "liege lords" never went away, they just changed the rules of the game.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe
Thanks for playing!
Thank you very much! I appreciate you filling in the gaps.
It's one good reason not to splash out on a new vehicle. If the crown took the vehicle from you I doubt they'd reimburse you properly.
Your spidey-senses were spot on.
Next time you need to buy a car, tell the dealership you're going to be moving and/or taking the car to another country and then they will give you the MCO/MSO and skip the title & registration process.
Oh that is interesting. Thank you.
Maybe one day I'll wander into a new car dealership and ask them all the technical legal questions. That would be fun.
The folks that work at the dealership aren't aware of any of this. That's why they'll happily hand you the MSO/MCO if you say you're taking the car out of country.
Only judges/magistrates understand how this works.
What would be interesting is trying to use gold/silver to make the purchase at the dealership. I doubt they would say they can accept it. This ultimately protects the deception "legally", even if you do get your hands on the MCO/MSO.
I hope all this sleight-of-hand ends with the great awakening. We'll never be free people otherwise. Thank you for knowing all of this.
We have to extricate ourselves from this system, individually. Nobody can do it for you. Consider there are millions of people that not only like, but actually depend on the liege lord governments for their subsistence.
Choosing to exercise your "Right of self-determination", aka "self-governance" is an individual choice. Many simply aren't ready for this as they are deeply brainwashed into being dependents. These are the democrats/leftists/labor folks that think free lunches actually exist.
I believe that the US lost the war of 1812, but the British allowed us to be "independent." We use titles of nobility, and "judges" and "lawyers" register with the "Bar" to "practice" "law."
Yes, kinda true. This is when they destroyed all copies of the original 13th amendment which barred anybody holding a "title of nobility" from holding public office - including "esquires" of course.
The British tried again with the 2nd Bank of America that Jackson eventually destroyed. The final coup was the civil war, after which they instituted the "legal system", introduced the corporation (talking corpse) and the ABA (American Bar Association) and the "Department of Injustice" all in the 1860-1875 time frame while the south was held captive under martial law.
So many people point their fingers at the bankers, but it's the legal system that really pulls all the strings. Both of course issuing from the City of London, Westminster, Inns of the Court, Temple Bar.
Another thing that just came to mind... patent 'owner' or patent 'holder'?
Oh yes! Not ownership, just another licence.
The great confusion people have is the misuse and misunderstanding of so many important words. And this is why we find ourselves in the mess we are in.
Words like Law, Tax, Money etc. are all being deceptively used to deceive the ignorant masses.
Laws are laws. They are immutable and self-evident. These are the only kinds of laws there are.
What masquerades as "laws" in the public consciousness are statutes, codes, acts, ordinances, decrees, executive orders, etc. All of these are private corporate POLICIES, not "laws".
Taxes are payments to the liege lords of the legal system where we pay our allegiance to our lords unwittingly. As no man owes another man anything of value unless there is a contract between the two.
Money is gold and silver or any real property of equal value as determined by the two parties in contract. This is known as "lawful consideration". But "legal tender" is not, by definition, "lawful consideration" under the legal/liege lord neo-feudal system. Legal tender is, by definition, only "currency" which acts merely as debt discharge instrument between peasants.
Welcome to the matrix!
It's a Jew fuck system of never ending usury.
Money is taxed at both ends every time it changes hands, this is an unsustainable model because you eventually run out of money to tax, and/or overprinting makes money worthless. Thats where we are right now.
Taxation without representation……We fought a revolution over that, yes?
I like how they don't mention insurance. But that's a taboo I noticed.
All taxation is theft.
tag
They need your tax money to launder back to themselves.
Ding. Ya don’t
We keep less than 50 cents per dollar to buy overpriced low quality crap from the same people lobbying the gov to give monopolies power
Different $, but nice try. Just sayin
There are 2 annual taxes with property tax and licensing.
Then you can't forget about your indivdual ability to drive also taxed annually.
Also don't forget about the monthly "friends of gov" tax (aka insurance).
Or the breaking the rules tax (aka traffic tickets).
It's past the point of double or triple dipping, the irs is just chugging the whole jar of dip without even using chips.
Same with buying a house and real estate taxes yearly. Same with utility bills and you don’t know half of the other fees tacked on.
Well technically you don't own the car. The vehicles certificate of origin is sent to the state and the state issues you a title. That would sound like one who holds the title has ownership but actually the state holds ownership and the title in this sense "entitles" one to use of the vehicle. It does not convey ownership.
This is the same as property taxes. Land patents are what convey ownership, we get deeds to the land which is a contract that allows use of the land and appears like ownership but isn't. We can no longer get land patents in the United States.
Don't you just love lawyers? If you know one personally ask them about the oath they take when they join the BAR.
fyi...you actually don’t own the car. You have equitable title only. Your state has the full title given to them by the dealer/manufacturer. They split the title and hold the full title so they can charge “rent” for their asset that you paid for them to have in the form of property taxes.
Since you used debt (fiat dollar) to “buy” it and not Constitutional money (Article I, Section 10), you don’t get full title even when “paid off”.
Solution: buy used or off-lease through an LLC owned by you (95%) & friend (5%), take accelerated depreciation deduction (>40/30/20/10<) for 4 years, personal sale to yourself in year 5 from LLC for silver eagles. Federal Lawsuit against STATE DMV Corp domiciled in Wash DC ($402) to get full title.
During years 1-4 property taxes are deductible corp expenses of LLC that flow through to personal taxes.
The only thing missing is a very important adjective before "taxed."
This topic makes my blood boil.
Sad state of the world.