I am roughly 35 miles from East Palenstine, north west of it. Im in Deerfield. I think your friend may be a close neighbor. Is your friend on their own well water? If they are, do they have a filter for their home water supply?
May be too late now but I can say with great certainty if they could /can "smell chlorine". It is very serious. To quantify the threat to water system and ground, soil contamination is nearly impossible without very specific details. Anyone in that area should be taking it very serious. Hydrogen chloride is no joke for inhalation. Hydrochloric acid ingested is very serious and quite serious on contact as well. Not to mention if there is still any unconverted vynil chloride monomer present and in particulate airborn, solid form.
May seem extreme but probably a good idea people decide to stay there get an industrial gas monitor, one for HCI or certain type 4 and 6 gas monitors will work and show the present air detectable in PPM .
Welcome fren I’m keeping up best I can since Friday
Also anon posted 👇🏼
There's also going to be a town hall meeting for East Palestine residence on Wednesday at 7pm to discuss the event that took place. I hope someone livestreams it.
My brother is 40 miles north of east Palestine. I am very worried. Niece in Cleveland, nephew in Akron, mom in cincy. Thinking about pulling mom down to NC. I am headed up there Wednesday. Probably not a smart move but planned it ahead of this.
Prayers for you all! Get digging on your water table and supply, check the chan references and consider your next moves. Contact home insurance company, too, see what would be covered, because acid rain is a real possibility. Personally I'd be hitting the "we buy ugly homes for cash" people and start packing.
Can we please keep this thread going for awhile. The spread of damage is still unknown and this group here is going to have to figure out what the repercussions are. Our gov will lie the entire way. We need to take this very seriously and figure out what the real impact will be. God bless you and your friend.
A contamination of that magnitude is not going to be easy to deal with, there are many effects associated with exposure to the chemicals. Some are immediate and some are long term risks, dead animals and plants are not the end of it.
Groundwater is/will be contaminated, the ground itself will be contaminated. I would not trust any drinking water from wells in the area for instance.
Depending on their precise proximity yeah I'd consider moving, muy pronto. Sue the train company and all associated folks, sure, including Bootygiger and the government but if 'I' lived nearby I'd move.
There will be problems there for a long time, it might become what used to be known as a 'superfund' site, where pollution is such that it cannot be mitigated, it is near impossible to clean it all up in a short time period.
People who live there will see birth defects and all the other health problems for years.
Anyone staying close in to that must be careful where their drinking water comes from, don't eat anything grown in the dirt there, stay upwind, don't buy property on ground lower than the crash area..... I'd move, one way or the other, sue everyone later but move now. There have been many superfund sites around America over the decades and birth defects are known from such things, other maladies and curses - move.
Boiling might actually aerosolize the chlorides, so should probably not be the first step. Mechanical filtration first, worth spending good money on the good stuff, like your life depends on it.
I would pray for rain. Rain will grab hold from the air and ground it. I don’t know that that’s necessarily better. But getting it out of the air is what I keep thinking about. God help us.
In my opinion, hydrochloric acid would react with the rocks before it made it into water supplies. It could harm buildings and wildlife on the way down though.
I think rain would ground the vinyl chlorides, and that conversion to HCl is a lesser worry than inhaling cancerous components. The vinyl chlorides, precursors to plastics, are very harmful. Rain would push them into local ground rather than allowing them to spread farther in the air. It will not all convert to HCl.
That said, the local ground means a tainted aquifer, which would happen regardless of rain or not, only the concentration matters. Anyone relying on local water or produce grown with it will ingest toxins that are known to cause cancer.
Ideally some lab will present an enzyme or sprayable compound that can capture or break vinyl chlorides specifically (without being more toxic). Surfactant specialists like 3M should take the lead on this.
Absolutely not true. Inhalation of HCI is and should be of immediate concern for anyone in the affected area. The PEL MAX exposure in industrial settings is 5 ppm. Alarms are always set to .5 to .9 ppm. At 5ppm and exposure for a hour or less will be catastrophic effect. There is no way of knowing the concentration level without instrumentation detecting those exposure areas.
The best thing is to leave asap, even if just for a few days. Nature will dilute it enough in time that the long term effects are minimal. It's mostly the immediate that is the concern. Invite them over for a few days even...
This is a longer term concern but reading through some the Chem data I gleaned that this stuff attacks the liver. So all the liver-healthy things we can be doing long term will be important.
We had the smartest guy in the class (turned out to be valedictorian) repeatedly ask the teacher to back up and explain stuff to us again, from the beginning..... even he didn't get it so there was zero hope for me.
What is the range of danger from this? My family and I live about 250-300 miles from East Palestine, ranging from Cincinnati to Dayton, and I have an aunt who lives about forty minutes north east of Columbus.
I have friends in OH and when I asked them about the explosion, they said it's abit far from them.. they're in Cleveland, and they seemed unbothered by it. So I showed them all the articles about the water, etc but they still seemed unbothered, making me scratch my head here.
He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth will be condemned.
And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.
Mark 16:16-18
Draw near to the Lord, He is counting on His believers to know Him, to follow Him and be ready to serve His people.
Do not test the Lord. We all have faith, bro, but He gives some of us knowledge and ability to do work on His behalf. He'll reach out His hand, but we gotta lift ours to meet it.
You can absolutely test for this crap. Contaminated land and remediation is a big business. Soil, groundwater, and air quality testing would be a good start. Perhaps testing some local chicken eggs would be a good idea too.
You'd have to contact an environmental service business, and they'd collect samples, send it to a lab, and then analyse the result. Unfortunately these services are expensive and these businesses won't move on their own free will - usually a government contract will kick things in motion in this scenario. However, you can be damned sure they won't tell you the results or will lie to you if it's a government contract.
The worst thing is, since the last local reporting of it all was last Monday with "everything is fine" the people nearby may not even believe you because no one wants to cover it.
Ohio needs the help of The Great Awakening community. You were right to post this thread. We should have had this thread up days ago!
u/#flynnflag
I am roughly 35 miles from East Palenstine, north west of it. Im in Deerfield. I think your friend may be a close neighbor. Is your friend on their own well water? If they are, do they have a filter for their home water supply?
May be too late now but I can say with great certainty if they could /can "smell chlorine". It is very serious. To quantify the threat to water system and ground, soil contamination is nearly impossible without very specific details. Anyone in that area should be taking it very serious. Hydrogen chloride is no joke for inhalation. Hydrochloric acid ingested is very serious and quite serious on contact as well. Not to mention if there is still any unconverted vynil chloride monomer present and in particulate airborn, solid form.
May seem extreme but probably a good idea people decide to stay there get an industrial gas monitor, one for HCI or certain type 4 and 6 gas monitors will work and show the present air detectable in PPM .
Chans have about 38 open threads on this so much info
Here’s some : good luck fren tons out here since Friday
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/415741776/ateg-airborne-toxic-event-general-epa-liability
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/416003926/ateg-airborne-toxic-event-general-going-viral
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/415247150/#415256227
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/Palestine/
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/416024619/ateg-airborne-toxic-event-general-baker-mia
Welcome fren I’m keeping up best I can since Friday
Also anon posted 👇🏼
There's also going to be a town hall meeting for East Palestine residence on Wednesday at 7pm to discuss the event that took place. I hope someone livestreams it.
https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/town-hall-planned-to-discuss-east-palestine-train-derailment/
Archived 4Chan Threads:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/415741776
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/416003926
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/416024619
My brother is 40 miles north of east Palestine. I am very worried. Niece in Cleveland, nephew in Akron, mom in cincy. Thinking about pulling mom down to NC. I am headed up there Wednesday. Probably not a smart move but planned it ahead of this.
That's just it. We don't know. Not only no answers - no mention most places. We know there is danger but we don't know how widespread or for how long.
Can we believe the answers if they do come?
Reminds me a bit of the Flint MI water crisis.
"Contaminated? Meh you folks will be fine..."
Psalm 91!
I'd GTFO. Sorry to be blunt but maybe you are due for a vacation.
Prayers for you all! Get digging on your water table and supply, check the chan references and consider your next moves. Contact home insurance company, too, see what would be covered, because acid rain is a real possibility. Personally I'd be hitting the "we buy ugly homes for cash" people and start packing.
Can we please keep this thread going for awhile. The spread of damage is still unknown and this group here is going to have to figure out what the repercussions are. Our gov will lie the entire way. We need to take this very seriously and figure out what the real impact will be. God bless you and your friend.
A contamination of that magnitude is not going to be easy to deal with, there are many effects associated with exposure to the chemicals. Some are immediate and some are long term risks, dead animals and plants are not the end of it.
Groundwater is/will be contaminated, the ground itself will be contaminated. I would not trust any drinking water from wells in the area for instance.
Depending on their precise proximity yeah I'd consider moving, muy pronto. Sue the train company and all associated folks, sure, including Bootygiger and the government but if 'I' lived nearby I'd move.
There will be problems there for a long time, it might become what used to be known as a 'superfund' site, where pollution is such that it cannot be mitigated, it is near impossible to clean it all up in a short time period.
People who live there will see birth defects and all the other health problems for years.
https://www.naturalpedia.com/vinyl-chloride-toxicity-side-effects-diseases-and-environmental-impacts.html
Anyone staying close in to that must be careful where their drinking water comes from, don't eat anything grown in the dirt there, stay upwind, don't buy property on ground lower than the crash area..... I'd move, one way or the other, sue everyone later but move now. There have been many superfund sites around America over the decades and birth defects are known from such things, other maladies and curses - move.
https://www.greenmatters.com/p/health-effects-superfund-sites
I’d send cases of bottled water. I know I’d be boiling water for everything. Let me know if I can help in anyway. I’d be happy to help pitch in.
not just boiling but physical filtration with carbon filters, the issue is chemical contamination not bacteria/parasites etc
Boiling might actually aerosolize the chlorides, so should probably not be the first step. Mechanical filtration first, worth spending good money on the good stuff, like your life depends on it.
Perhaps water filters with activated carbon elements like a Big Berkey would help.
https://www.berkeyfilters.com/products/big-berkey
It's always a good prepper item so you can drink puddle water safely.
They should probably invest in real gas masks at the very least.
Will those cloth ones leftover from less recent disasters help? I see a few wearing them still and could ask around.
Out of precaution I would evacuate any area downwind of the explosion until we know more. Hopefully its an unnecessary precaution....
There are pictures where it looks like a black mushroom cloud. It looks huge.
I see. Yes quite the predicament.
I would pray for rain. Rain will grab hold from the air and ground it. I don’t know that that’s necessarily better. But getting it out of the air is what I keep thinking about. God help us.
In my opinion, hydrochloric acid would react with the rocks before it made it into water supplies. It could harm buildings and wildlife on the way down though.
Oh shit. Nvm. We need a modern day miracle to help.
I think rain would ground the vinyl chlorides, and that conversion to HCl is a lesser worry than inhaling cancerous components. The vinyl chlorides, precursors to plastics, are very harmful. Rain would push them into local ground rather than allowing them to spread farther in the air. It will not all convert to HCl.
That said, the local ground means a tainted aquifer, which would happen regardless of rain or not, only the concentration matters. Anyone relying on local water or produce grown with it will ingest toxins that are known to cause cancer.
Ideally some lab will present an enzyme or sprayable compound that can capture or break vinyl chlorides specifically (without being more toxic). Surfactant specialists like 3M should take the lead on this.
Absolutely not true. Inhalation of HCI is and should be of immediate concern for anyone in the affected area. The PEL MAX exposure in industrial settings is 5 ppm. Alarms are always set to .5 to .9 ppm. At 5ppm and exposure for a hour or less will be catastrophic effect. There is no way of knowing the concentration level without instrumentation detecting those exposure areas.
The best thing is to leave asap, even if just for a few days. Nature will dilute it enough in time that the long term effects are minimal. It's mostly the immediate that is the concern. Invite them over for a few days even...
I love this thread, I really do. Bless all of you from the UK!
This is a longer term concern but reading through some the Chem data I gleaned that this stuff attacks the liver. So all the liver-healthy things we can be doing long term will be important.
I barely made it through high school chemistry. We need eyes on these sites by people who understand this stuff. http://www.ilpi.com/msds/#General
We had the smartest guy in the class (turned out to be valedictorian) repeatedly ask the teacher to back up and explain stuff to us again, from the beginning..... even he didn't get it so there was zero hope for me.
That sort of thing works every time on me. I'm glad I wasn't your chemistry teacher.
You need a half or full mask respirator with the correct cartridges. For example:
3M P100 Respirator Cartridge/Filter 60922, 1 Pair, Helps Protect Against Chlorine, Hydrogen Chloride, Sulfur Dioxide, Chlorine Dioxide, Hydrogen Sulfide and Particulates
NAC. It's what they give to people who have taken a tylenol overdose.
Milk thistle and yellow dock as well.
Milk thistle! https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/herb/milk-thistle
https://www.healthyhildegard.com/how-does-milk-thistle-work-to-heal-the-liver/
Dandelion! https://rense.com/general74/dandi.htm
Cilantro (heavy metall detox)!!! https://draxe.com/nutrition/cilantro-benefits/
Spirulina! https://healthyy.net/superfoods/spirulina-benefits-liver
Artichoke! https://theartofhealing.com.au/2020/08/detoxify-regenerate-your-liver-with-artichoke/
https://draxe.com/health/heavy-metal-detox/
https://www.alternativetomeds.com/services/holistic/neurotoxin-removal
What is the range of danger from this? My family and I live about 250-300 miles from East Palestine, ranging from Cincinnati to Dayton, and I have an aunt who lives about forty minutes north east of Columbus.
I have friends in OH and when I asked them about the explosion, they said it's abit far from them.. they're in Cleveland, and they seemed unbothered by it. So I showed them all the articles about the water, etc but they still seemed unbothered, making me scratch my head here.
He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth will be condemned.
And these attesting signs will accompany those who believe: in My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new languages;
They will pick up serpents; and [even] if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well. Mark 16:16-18
Draw near to the Lord, He is counting on His believers to know Him, to follow Him and be ready to serve His people.
Do not test the Lord. We all have faith, bro, but He gives some of us knowledge and ability to do work on His behalf. He'll reach out His hand, but we gotta lift ours to meet it.
You can absolutely test for this crap. Contaminated land and remediation is a big business. Soil, groundwater, and air quality testing would be a good start. Perhaps testing some local chicken eggs would be a good idea too.
You'd have to contact an environmental service business, and they'd collect samples, send it to a lab, and then analyse the result. Unfortunately these services are expensive and these businesses won't move on their own free will - usually a government contract will kick things in motion in this scenario. However, you can be damned sure they won't tell you the results or will lie to you if it's a government contract.
The worst thing is, since the last local reporting of it all was last Monday with "everything is fine" the people nearby may not even believe you because no one wants to cover it.
faith rtt
Don’t say your thoughts and prayers are with them it will send the left into convulsions
Deep details on the effects of the chalemical
why what's Israel done to them now??