U.S. regulators rejected Elon Musk’s bid to test brain chips in humans, citing safety risks
Musk has said his brain implant company, Neuralink, will make the paralyzed walk, the blind see and eventually turn people into cyborgs. But the firm still struggles to secure clinical-trial approval for the relatively modest goal of helping disabled peopl...
Safety risks my a_ _? Now I am not saying we should do this, but obviously the government doesn’t give one hoot about safety otherwise Covid shots would have been pulled long ago. No, the government is waiting for Musk to hand it over, or they will steal it and use it for their own ill gotten gains.
Thank you! People should familiarize themselves with his reasoning before proving their ignorance on the topic. His whole point is that we need to do this and get ahead of it as best we can before someone else does it. Is it a shitty situation? Yes. But we’re not doing ourselves any good if we run away from it because we are scared. Evil has no f***s to give. Brain - machine interfaces will happen. Not sure I want Elon leading the charge, but I sure as hell don’t want the government doing it.
Your last sentence - I totally agree. When the experiments for neuralink were done on monkeys and other animals, many of them died horrendously painful deaths. Neuralink didn't work.
I would trust Musk more than any of those governments
How do you make sure it doesn't kill people if you refuse to test it? That is the whole purpose of animal testing. Get it to a baseline before trying it on people.
How many things "didn't work" on the first try? How many things do we use every day that "didn't work" and had naysayers decrying it?
What stops the government from acting through Elon?
Could you imagine the vaccine being just control in the future. Bill gates knows if elon gets his neural link first he will own the world so they pump us full of shit that locked out musk chips but approves Microsoft. That is pure tinfoil hat trash right there.
But but - what about all the people this could help?...
Thank God they said NO.
Amen!
That what was/is always the part that worried me about Elon Musk.
I've never trusted him. That's how they get things started: "It will help people" and then before you know it the floodgates are opened...
maybe. maybe he's the left's equivalent of a RINO, putting up ideas in ways to be sure they'll be turned down.
Totally agree! And too much power in the hand of one person. Twitter. Neurolink. SpaceX. ...
I think he’s the front man for DOD/DARPA.
That is the ABSOLUTE truth...such good intentions...until they are not good intentions...
Whether or not this should be done is not up to the government. It doesn't matter what they say. The entire concept of the government regulating ethical or moral decisions is a fraud. What is "moral" or what is "ethical" is up to each individual. Any choice made by an individual is a "right choice" so long as that choice doesn't infringe on anyone else's right to make their choices.
This entire concept of an external agent (in this case a centralized authority) making choices for the individual is the entire purpose of the efforts of the Cabal. It doesn't matter if "the government" makes good choices or bad choices, what matters is that we believe they have the right to make those choices at all. The Cabal can not lose until we collectively realize that and reject the concept entirely.
So you imagine that everyone else is saying “oh no, that sounds risky”?
Every advancement ever made, involved risk. From cutting down a tree, making fire to the latest technology. You cannot get out of bed without risk
Knowledge, like a hammer. Is neutral. How it is used defines good or evil.
Yes, but knowing that in most cases its used for evil its best not to open the doors.
Elon went ahead first and now the precedent is set. It will be harder for the government to get into brain tampering.
Honestly he should be able to do what he wants with willing participants. This is like them saying no to any other medical testing. Just because it involves the brain doesn’t make it any more nefarious than anything else.
Will those participants receive full disclosure on the harm / injury / death that has occurred with the animal test subjects? I'm pretty sure no human would sign up if they knew. If they still signed up after this disclosure, well... I won't say they deserve what's coming to them because that would be mean. They would almost certainly get more than they bargained for, in a not good way.
If you have Alzheimer’s; you know what the future holds. If you had a car accident and had your spine severed; you know what your future is going to be
Who gets to decide what path YOUR life is going to take; you or some uninvested, unknown bureaucrat with zero accountability over your life?
For me, I and I alone decide whether I am a Guinea pig, sit in a wheel chair or blow my brains out some afternoon. And if somebody attempts to stop me, there will be 2 bags for the coroner to work with
1000% agree and this is what 'Right to try' was all about. WTF does the government care or have any standing to say what I can and can't do with my own body? Not sure how they can take this position and at the same time, be fine with child genital mutilation. Shit, what about lifers in prison? Give them a shot to actually help humankind.
You see how far saying no to human testing of Covid shots got us. We were simply told, “You’re fired!”
Good...you can be the first to volunteer...I think I will pass...
Safety risks? Are you kidding? Really, the government wants the monopoly. Their brain chips are already deployed. Can't have Musk mucking up the profit margins.
See my replies elsewhere in this thread. Neuralink is dangerous hot garbage with zero future. So ya, safety risks 1000% valid.
AI is coming whether we want it or not. The question is who will control the AI.
Imagine if during WWII US regulators said "hmm sorry but you're not allowed to develop nuclear bombs." This wouldn't stop the nuclear bomb from being built. All it would do is ensure that our enemies had nukes and we didn't.
Or if you prefer a different metaphor, think of this like a "gun-free zone."
This is a bad mindset to have. We have to resist this, there is no reason we ever have to accept this. I do not want to live in a world full of cyborgs, and many other people don't too, and there is nothing saying we have to go down this current path, we can make it difficult for them to accomplish their goals.
It’s possible you’re correct, but how sure are you that this will result in the best possible future?
Imagine if the US said “we refuse to build a nuclear bomb,” and then Nazis built it before we did, nuked NYC and DC, won the war, and became the de facto leader of the world like we are today?
That is worth considering. We can't stop the tide of "progress", so we had better form some legislative committees to study all the implications and possibilities for regulation and imposition of penalties for violations. Outlaw it until we have a plan in place. Looks like it's time.
Perhaps, but if we continue with my analogy that would be like outlawing the US production of nuclear bombs during WWII.
Neuralink is the red herring.
Synchron. I can't repeat this enough.
Part of Elon turning {at least to the center} is his being burned by DOD and gang over Neuralink. He was the shiny object. All the while they had their own version going strong and already being tested through "voluntary trials" on humans.
They funded both but never intended to let Elon get far enough with his product to undercut theirs.
I understand if you don't believe me, however, it's amazing the stuff people will talk about when you're doing work for them.
Wow wild stuff
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/synchron-implants-brain-computer-interface-first-us-patient-paralysis-trial
If you compare the tech between Synchron and Neuralink, it appears to makes sense. I briefly looked at it. It appears that Synchron is using a minimally invasive procedure and their tech leaves a smaller footprint, is safely removable, doesn't risk dangling wires going where they aren't supposed to, etc. Basically the opposite of Neuralink in all those regards.
Funded by?
I get what you're saying, but our worry isn't necessarily safety, is it?
I could have sworn our worry was the idea itself.
Brain implants.
I'd encourage you to look deeper because as we know, anything funded by those sources is certainly not being fully transparent.
Except for the fact that Neuralink is garbage, and it isn't safe at all. Look up "common sense skeptic" on youtube. He did many videos tearing apart Neuralink, its history, and trajectory to nowhere.
And funded by?
mRNA vaccines for everyone Demand it for pregnant women. The same folk who are hesitating to have a dentist clean their teeth while pregnant; demand they abort their baby with the vaccine Demand the mRNA for 2+ year olds; who are not at any statical risk, ok to sterilize them with a mandate
But let a quadriplegic gain use of arms/legs? Allow a spine to heal? Alzheimer patient to remember? That’s too dangerous for them to allow YOU to decide
That was a great comment that I have been waiting for. Good comparative logic!
so, which country do you think he will do it in, then? this. stops. nothing.
I am sure this mindset will delight China and other hostile nations. I doubt they share your sentiments
AI is likely already here; we just don’t know it in the public domain. Humans are limited by the 100 IQ; AI doesn’t have this intelligence growth rate limitation. As Elon has said, “we had best make it friendly”
Tip of the ice berg…. What we are just seeing….
GUARANTEE this chip has already resided in the skull and brain of a HUMAN.
Who agrees?
Cmon man, how many head transplants, consciousness transferrals, brain chips, augmented existences have ALREADY OCCURRED in Deep Underground Mil Bases?
How many babies have been born outside of any human body seemingly from “NOTHING” (INFINITE SUPPLY OF ORGANS, TEST SUBJECTS, SLAVES)
I'm convinced Elon has probably had it in for a while now.
They know he can use it to stop evil AI. Also guess what research Elon just started up in his Russia branch at the speed of light. It’s safer there anyway.
I don't think Elon is evil, he is acting out of fear. Merging with AI is and will always be a no no. AI will always graduate towards a intellectual singularity.
Instead we should use AI to enhance ourselves in the image of God, it is our divine right as his creation to also create. Of course there are a lot of ethically dilemmas around this, but it's better than being assimilated by the borg.
Fuck neurolink.
Fuck transhumanism.
Fuck anyone that pushes for it.
Period.
Is a heart transplant transhumanism? Is a prosthetic limb transhumanism? Is a smartphone transhumanism? Is a pacemaker transhumanism?
Sticking a plank of wood to a guy who got his leg blown off is not the same as gouging out his perfectly healthy and functioning eyes because he wants "better ones".
Always compliment women if it looks like they did something with their hair. It is for you after all.
Isn't there a democrat in office in a hospital he could test this out on? Asking for a friend........
How about Fetterman?
I've researched quite a bit in this subject area.
Very often those brain chips that are implanted in monkeys or some humans in clinical trials for electrically stimulating nerves in the brain cause more harm than good over time:
person that couldn't control arm movement before could have better control after electrically stimulating desired area but repeated stimulation tends to cause scarring in the surrounding brain tissue. The scarring tissue isn't conductive and causes more of the brain yo be impaired over time
Cost to remove brain chip through surgery is usually unobtainable for the majority of people even with insurance. Clinical studies may cover surgery implanting the chip but not removing it. Those people have it for life.
materials in the chip may corrode over time causing unknown effects in the brain as well. There definitely has not been enough time to study a life time of effects of the brain chip material in contact with human fluids and tissue.
In this area, you always want to choose Noninvasive options (no surgery needed) over invasive options if possible. If invasive options give a little more functionality in the beginning, it is not guaranteed for the long term and the risks don't outweigh the initial benefits.
Have a mid-40’s coworker. Very likable, smart and capable person. Has a degenerative nervous disorder where he becomes physically overactive. Not epileptic, but hands and legs shake. Body rocks. It became more uncontrollable
Now due to his talents, he has risen to a Senior position in a very large company. Solid guy.
Had brain implants last year. Scars on his head look like he had horns removed; and he jokes about it now. Implants controlled by a phone app
Interacting with him today, you wouldn’t guess he has anything wrong with him at all. I call this a God given miracle. Hopefully this will allow him to live a normal life, but has restored a quality of life so he can be a father, husband and pursue a very successful career
I hope the best for him, it sounds like he can afford the surgery to remove the implants if he needs to and if that's the case then that's great!
He's still going to have to watch for brain scarring in the future from repeated stimulation and take periodic fMRI scans to be safe.
Guys, guys!
What if some people are too lazy for individualism and just want to be hooked up to the borg? 😃😃😃😃😃😃
Equal rights for artificial life forms!
A computer can have blue hair too ya know !
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Before Elon bought Twitter and freed all the censored accounts these govt clowns would have said yes to Neuralink. It's pure retaliatory for not being part of the deep state criminals.
Maybe the implants are the mark of the beast, that runs on the satanic-controlled beast system... think about it - didn't Schwab say that he wants everyone to have a chip in their brain by 2030 or something? They want to erase our connection to God, and this would be the final blow, by controlling your thoughts / consciousness. This is evil no matter who is pushing it. This is one of the reasons I don't trust Musk, regardless of how "on our side" he seems.
Publicly rejected, privately already in the works. We know how this game is played. If we are hearing about these things its gone past the testing phase and they are prepping normalization through drips.
Maybe the majority of people that will get this are the left. Maybe then, they can be saved or have a change of "mind".
Except for all it will really do is seriously injure and kill people, as it has done with the animal test subjects (victims). Look up "common sense skeptic" on youtube, you will see this was never going anywhere. Just another Musk stunt to fool the world.
Many of the animals (such as monkeys) who were used as test subjects died horrendously painful deaths with neuralink. It is an evil idea in IMO. Glad it's been rejected.
Groomed to play a role, and expose certain things for the Deep State so normies lose faith in their country. End of story.
What?!!? Isn't that exactly what the deep state owned government wants?
Control the people's thoughts and you have full control over your people.
Thank goodness there are a few grownups in the government, after all.
Well, they'll just go do it in Ukraine or some shit.
How about a trial run in the bureaucracy in DC first and re-wire their brains first. Suicide weekend?