I just had an "encounter" with an atheist Q supporter here. I don't believe he is a shill or anything like that, but the dialog got me to start wondering.
Trump is pretty clearly Christian. Q posted bible verses making it pretty clear that he or they are Christian as well.
Based on what I was told by my debate partner, we Christians are spreading stupidity across the globe, and he feels it is his duty to show us how stupid we are (paraphrased - not his exact words.)
So here's my question: If you vehemently believe that there is no God, no higher power whatsoever, and all of this universe is just random happenstance, then why do you follow Q and support Trump?
How do you reconcile Q and atheism?
The assessment of what is good or bad is subject to relativity, particularly if one adheres to an atheist materialist ideology. It becomes a matter of personal opinion or societal norms specific to a given time and place. An individual following an atheist perspective cannot definitively state whether someone's notion of what is morally acceptable is correct or incorrect. They must acknowledge that certain acts such as pedophilia or child rape might be considered good if the person or society involved deems it so. Only with the presence of objective morality can one assert that irrespective of individual or societal beliefs, pedophilia and child rape are universally wrong
That's acceptable. I apologize if I caused any discomfort. I have an inclination to engage in debates as it aids me in consolidating my perspectives.
I'm not atheist, but my take is that' there's nothing to reconcile. The fact is things are getting really bad and evil (eg: wanting to mutilate kids genitals), so any reasonable person would want to stand against that and begin a change for good. Some may not be here for Q, but the GA side of things.
Evil is relative. If you're a true atheist isn't it survival of the fittest, only way organized evolution will work for good. Ha!
This is the fundamental difference between the Luciferians and the Christians - believing evil and good are relative.
Once you take that stand, there is no common basis for humans to deal with each other, and whoever has the power of better rationalization will simply bad together and butcher the rest. As is happening today.
If you believe good and evil are relative, then no matter what path you take, you will ultimately end up either butchering the ones below you or being butchered by the ones above you.
This is not a belief - this is an observation. This is why we had to suffer through the last 7 years and watch doctors convince family members to inject poison into their loved ones. That is the end point of believing evil is relative.
If you believe all humans are subject to the same God's laws, however, then there is no rationalisation. You either hurt humanity and are evil, or co-exist and you are good.
I think from an individual personal perspective evil could be seen as relative: evil will call good evil, and good will call evil evil.
However, in the grander scheme of things, I'm convinced it's not relative at all, and there is a hazy grey zone that divides good from evil, or at least there was 10 years ago. Since then that hazy zone has been shrinking - i used to be able to move liberally in that zone - then i noticed I was only able to stand in it - then i could only put a toe on it - now i can only stand beside it. It's difficult to fully convey in a paragraph, but i believe it's because the two sides are digging in for battle.
I am very much a Christian but I honestly don't see Trump as a Christian. If he is, my apologies to him. I see him as ... Christian adjacent. Lol. What I mean is, he takes the tenants like being a decent person, helping your fellow man, etc. seriously, but I don't know if he's ever actually bowed down to Jesus Christ. Is his ego too big? Has he ever given it much thought? I really don't know. But I don't get the sense that he is a true believer. Perhaps Christian in a generic sense where someone who knows they're not Muslim or Buddhist or Jewish might say they are Christian - by default. I sincerely hope he does get more acquainted with Jesus, soon.
Even still, I think he will be a great president again. Even better than before. Just my 2 cents.
this question can only be coming from someone who has allowed the media shape their view about Trump. If his ego was so big, he would never have agreed to a plan where he is demonized, feared and loathed by half the people, by design, and spend so many agonising years without showing his true self.
Nah, it's precisely because he has a huge ego (and I didn't say there was anything wrong with that) that he can and has put up with all that crapola.
And btw, that was a stupid comment, suggesting I've allowed the media to shape my view. Just plain idiotic.
I received a verse from the Bible. Remember when they accused Jesus of worshipper of Beelzebub? And Jesus answered, "If Satan forces Satan out, he is divided against himself. How, then, can his kingdom last? If I force demons out of people with the help of Beelzebul, who helps your followers force them out? That’s why they will be your judges. But if I force demons out with the help of God’s Spirit, then the kingdom of God has come to you. How can anyone go into a strong man’s house and steal his property? First he must tie up the strong man. Then he can go through his house and steal his property. Whoever isn’t with me is against me. Whoever doesn’t gather with me scatters. So I can guarantee that people will be forgiven for any sin or cursing. However, cursing the Spirit will not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this world or the next."
So if DJT says the only book he reads is The Bible and he prays, then yeah I believe he loves Jesus. He could not get this far without love of God. One way to show your love of God is by loving his people. If his ego is his flaw like King David was a womanizer than that's his flaw. DJT is human and cannot be perfect.
My take on Trump is this: there has only been one perfect being in the history of man. There have been few that were close. DJT has been scrutinized up, down, sideways, inside and out. If there was one single thing they could pin on him, he would be rotting in prison right now. Guaranteed. DJT is not perfect, but if what is perfectly needed for the time we are in. I have heard people deride him by saying he cannot be Christian because he swears too much. I know many people who are really good people and Christians that heave known to swear occasionally. However, here is a difference: many of them either smoke, drink, do some kind of drugs, and some all three. Trump doesn't do any of those. Perfect - no. Christian - yes.
Also, for the OP of this post: there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole during a firefight.
Not drinking or smoking is hardly the definition of Christian. I certainly hope he is a Christian, but I don't sense that he is. That doesn't mean he won't be.
Interesting question. I'd like to know as well.
There are 1 million reasons not to believe in Jesus Christ and God, but you only need one reason to believe in Him.
People are always making excuses and reasoned with themselves why they always pick Barabbas even if we're in a simulation and this scenario kept being replayed. Why Judas betrayed Jesus and only 11 disciples left who followed Jesus to the end of his life. It's their own sins and ego ultimately that stop them from receiving the real blessing. They want good but without the real truth they will still be lost. Just an illusion of truth and desire for comfort, security, and wealth on this temporary earth where life is short, but they'll never truly see.
Just a friendly reminder the word righteousness appears 540 times, faith appears 340 times, and Do Not Fear appears 365 times for every day of the year.
The “choosing of Barabbas” was rigged. We’ve seen this kind of human nature live in the 2020 election. The government wanted Barabbas chosen, cause he was nothing..no real trouble for them. But Jesus…he was trouble for the gov’t. The people were asleep & it happened because ultimately it was God’s plan.
Trump is our choice for President, this time because we are awakened, we have an incredible opportunity to become the type of individual we imagine ourselves to be. To live our faith.
Thanks. That reminds me a few hours before Jesus was arrested he kept asking his disciples to stay awake with him but they kept falling asleep. Ha! I wonder if Jesus was trying to tell us something. He asked, "Can't you stay up with me for a few hours?" or something like that. if someone else wants to add to that be great.
Excellent comment.
An excellent question. One that I have asked myself. How can you read the multiple drops that specifically state “It’s going to be Biblical”, when you have no respect for the Bible? There is no reconciliation possible, and no compromise available. Hard stop.
very great; on a large scale. "we need rainfall of biblical proportions to bring us back to normal"
Since we can't prove or disprove the existence of God, it requires just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in a Higher Power.
I think it requires more. I just need to believe one miracle which is that Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days. An athiest needs to believe in 4 miracles: everything came from nothing, order came from chaos, information came from non-information, life came from non-life.
Don't have to believe in God to believe in good and evil. Do you only do or strive to do good because you are hoping for a reward in the afterlife? or fear punishment otherwise? Or do you try and fight for good because that's what you want to do? If so, you just so happen to include God in what you consider to be good.
Sometimes religious people make me double take because when they talk about this issue they make it seem like God is the only thing stopping them from raping and killing people. (Not really an atheist myself, although I don't believe in joining or belonging to an organized religion because I think they're all corrupt)
Even if the universe was just "random happenstance" as you put it, it can still be meaningful to the individual. Maybe even more meaningful because it is so fleeting. You can still strive for justice and good, although some people think God is the only one who can know what that is. I have a conscience, and if God is real he gave me that conscience, so I'm going to use it.
Thanks for your response! However, I realized that I didn't word my question well.
Better put (I think): If you don't believe there is a god, but you do believe in Q, how do you reconcile that with how much Q has posted about God, prayer, the bible, etc? I would think that Q's penchant for religiosity would (in an atheist's mind) invalidate Q.
I'm on the fence with everything. Or most things. If they faked our history, convid and everything else why should I believe the Bible? Like all things I think there will be partial truth but filled with lies. I consider the Bible like most books, HIStory. Those in charge can make up whatever they please.
Because this life is all we have and we're fucking tired of pedo assholes fucking up our only shot.
Great answer! However I've realized I didn't really phrase the question properly...
I meant it more in terms of "If you don't believe in a god, but you believe in Q, how do you reconcile that with how much Q discussed the Bible, prayer, the Armor of God, etc. If Q believes in God and you do not, how can you believe anything Q has posted"
Lol, because we can value the same things without the same theology. Q believes in Judeo-Christian god, I dont. We still want the same end result for our country. I could even be wrong. There are many true things that are postulated or said by Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc. In a secular, wordly battle, I am willing to join w spiritual warriors whose ends are the same as mine. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type stuff.
I know some people need a person or being to believe in. We see it here when people ask which news sources should be believed.
However, I see things differently. 2 + 2 = 4 and that is true whether Q told you or God told you or Alex Jones told you or Kamala Harris told you. Actually, I might double-check in the last case!
So, I see it more like science. You get an idea - it doesn't matter from where. You check that against everything else you know and also see if it can be used to make satisfactory predictions. If it can then you add it to your arsenal of knowledge.
As corroboration, here is a scientist explaining the process.
Thanks for the response. However, I need to clarify a bit.
If you believe there is no higher power, and you believe Q, how do you reconcile Q posting Bible verses and blessings, and telling us to pray?
Firstly, I do not necessarily believe Q. If I find something that Q has said fits in with an overall pattern which I have in my mind then I will add that to my list of probable facts.
Q posting Bible verses and blessings is Q believing in a higher power not necessarily me.
Ok, gotcha. Would you say that you hang out here a lot? Do you feel that GA.win is too "Q-ish", or no? Are there other places that are similar, but less Q-ish?
I visit here several times a day, usually. Then I go to YouTube to find some of the less biased videos and sometimes to Rumble and BitChute. I have found lots of interesting sites by following links posted here.
GA is supposed to be "Q-ish" so according to its own rules it is probably not "Q-ish" enough but it keeps me up-to-date with some important news.
Great answer - thanks so much!
You deny a fellow American their love of country? You need to read America’s Founding documents again. Please recognize that no matter your religious faith or lack there of you could fall from grace in a second by your own thoughts and speech. Running into someone with your judging of him, probably harmed him spiritually.
No. I never believed god is real. I care what happens as much as anyone and more than most.
Christianity doesn't own politics. I firmly believe that you can want your country to succeed (closing border, cutting foreign aid, the list goes on) and still be a patriotic American that supports your country. Just my two cents as I believe there are folks of all faiths along with some that have none that support this mission. Be careful of lumping all into one basket, HRC did that with her basket of deplorables.
Yes, I get that 100%
But that’s not what I was trying to ask (apologies for my lack of clarity).
If you believe there is no god, to the point where you feel that religious people are just stupid, but you trust Q, how can that be considering how much Q posted about the Bible, God, asking us to pray, and so forth.
I’m just trying to wrap my head around the existence of someone who belittles the religious, but also believes in Q.
Other faith believe in matchmaking and marrying your children from a very young age, believe in deities of war, black magic, voodoo shit, etc. Someone also mentioned the Talmud believe in taking kids' virginity and even accused Jesus of being a sorcerer who has enticed other Jews to apostasy.
So by your logic the only thing everyone has in common is MONEY & Security. If you based it on those alone, country will fall apart again in a couple of generations and will have to keep on fixing it. A neverending cycle of chaos and not offending anyone.
Actually no. Where you are wrong is most people wanted to be left alone from the very beginning of politics being introduced. No where in the Bible does it say Republicans are superior to Democrats. Yet here we are. Q was very clear about free thought and ideas. Somehow, someway when the term biblical was mentioned, folks went all nuts. 63% of America is Christian and that number is dwindling, not rising. There is room at the table for other voices and opinions who share the same thoughts and ideas of wanting their country back, regardless of what you believe.
Yeah I get that.. everyone just wants to be left alone, liberty and all. I get that. I respect all beliefs as long as it doesn't harm children or anyone. But the reality is ..ughh.. too long to explain.. it's just impossible in grand scheme of things. But I get what you mean. I've travelled alot and love all the different cultures and appreciate their beauties and grace.
It's simple. Because you believe X does not mean you support Y or Z. The same for the reverse. "Liberty and all", yea that is EXACTLY what it is all about!
I forgot what the main point was.. lol but agree we all want freedom. I think what I was trying to say is the way Christians (true Jesus believers, not in label only) view freedom & righteousness and how other religions view freedom may differ. We all want to be left alone, true. Even atheist want to be left alone, security, and not be taxed to death.
Oh yeah.. how Christianity shape politics. You say that it should be separate. If so, an theist/buddhist may not have an issue with gay marriage while Christians or Muslims will have a problem with that. Abortion - how atheist/other religions view it differ from Christians as well. So I think in the end this is a neverending chaos. Also, underaged marriage/sex, and so on and so forth.
I agree on that end however our political system should not involve religion, period. The whole idea is politicians and local governments service us. What is happening now needs to be cut way back and get to back to basic essential services. "This is a dangerous intersection and we need a traffic light, trash pick-up, etc" is what government is designed for. "Some guy just broke into my house/car/business...." It's not for "Oh I want a Chrismas parade, or I want a gay pride parade or I want a Palestenian march"...... politics got involved because the politicians saw votes and where they saw votes they saw money to which they would corrupt the system in order to get them. Money = Power. Exactly where we are today.
Yep.. I'm with you on that. I used to think this way too, and still do. In a perfect world like in Star Trek, the scenarios you presented would be perfect. But in the current state of the world, this is not possible. The people in government who are muslims or Jews would try to implement their laws (survival of the fittest). Even if this is not encouraged or supported, they will always, ALWAYS, try to overtake. As for the atheist, they will lean towards science and may not see the ethical/moral sides of advanced technologies. In the end, the only option is Christianity (as leader). Even an orchestra cannot function without a conductor.
With Christianity leading, NO children would be harmed. Peace would be possible. Technology would be balanced w/ question of ethics. Fairness, Justice, for all races, religions, and colors would actually be possible. Anyway, just my 2 cent. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. But this is how I feel at this time.
I'm an atheist and I've followed Q since the first drop. Q even says it doesn't matter what we believe, only understand that the enemy believes in God and Satan, and worships the latter. I have values similar to Christianity, I don't believe in stealing and killing; I don't believe I'm a chosen race and all others are goyim to be plundered and slaughtered and raped; I don't believe women are inferior to men and must have multiple men testify to a rape before they are believed or they should be stoned to death; I don't believe the elders have the rights to deflower their own children at age 9; I don't believe in any afterlife which rules out all religions. I do see evil in people and good in people. I don't need a book to tell me right from wrong, books are written and edited by men. I know evil when I see it and I believe there is more good in the world than evil, but evil is more determined and sociopaths tend to rise to power and have done forever. If we have a chance against evil, it is only by doing as Q says and waking up and motivating enough people to do something about stopping it. To sit on your arse and say 'God wins' thinking you don't need to take action is insane.
Well said🐸👌
Question back at you:
Your discussion partner is quoted as as saying: "Christians are spreading stupidity across the globe. What is the nitty gritty showing meaning of that?
How do you reconcile "free-thought", "logical thinking", "emotions cloud judgement" with the questions you pose?
Personally, I do not think Christians are spreading stupidity across the globe. It is quite a blanket statement. I am sure, there are a lot of other people spreading stupidity, whether they be woke democrats, rinos, Society 4.0., Arc, Islam, or whatever belief-system one professes to.
The key here is stupidity. And then we are talking about dull-ness of apprehension, want of intelligence.
I am quite interested in knowing the answers to the above 2 questions, Pompi.
Every atheist I know believes in everything except God.
I only know three though.
Interesting! What do you mean by "everything"?
It seems they only go out of their way to shit on religion.
Communism? It has some merit!
Aliens? They created everything!
We live in a simulation!
And I'm not saying any of those subjects are not worthy of discussion. I do it all the time.
Even believing in nothing like a nihilist is still believing in something I suppose.
I used to be a life long Atheist, but after digging into Q I started reading the Bible. I have started to believe that a lot of things within the Bible are historic records of humanity's encounters with a higher power.
And a lot of things in Bible are blueprints for how to live life so that the Devil cannot derail us.
That said, its not the Bible verses or the fact that Trump is a Christian or that most Anons here are Christians that made me change my long held beliefs. Here are the concrete reasons that made me start believe in Bible.
What was described about Jesus in the temple (and portrayed in Passion of Christ for which Mel Gibson was demonised) was him exposing the Bankers. Much like what is going on today, but at a different scale.
This gives a whole new meaning to Q's references to "Biblical"
Once you understand that the root of evil today and the root of evil in those days were both usury (creating money out of nothing). Only today it happens at nation state level, while in Jesus times it was done against people directly.
Now you start wondering "Oh, thats why Bible prohibits Usury is bad". Wow, that makes so much sense.
You then extend this logic to other sins prohibited by Bible. You realise that the 7 sins are exactly what they use to corrupt, coax, blackmail people into commiting crimes against their fellow humans
You then start understanding how Common Law is really God's law based on 10 commandments, and how Declaration of Independence actually binds all Americans to these God's law.
From this point, there are so many avenues to do digging and learning more.
I made this long post to explain how being Q supporter does not automatically make you a Christian or give up atheism. There is a sequence of critical thinking analyses that needs to "click" in place, before you get to that "aha" moment.
I do hope all Anons find their own way to that point. Its not something you can force on anyone. The faith needs to click in your mind and make sense of everything that never made sense before.
when i first learned about the deep state population plan, i was an atheist. that was ten years ago.
i understand the need for Trump and Q from an atheist perspective, even if I am not one now.
Q talked about Freedom of Thought quite a lot. I don't think it is compatible with faith. It is diametrically opposed. Faith is believing in that for which there can be no evidence.
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Q also posted Bible verses, blessings, admonished us to put on the full armor of God, and told us to pray.
And therein lies the crux of my question - why do you feel Q is worth listening to at all if he’s also a theist?
Q said "If you are religious, pray." That is very different than "If you don't believe in god you are a pig (paraphrasing what you said to me.)" I understand that prayer is one of the many ways to focus mental/spiritual energy. I don't think it is the best way but it is a way that millions of people employ. I just don't think it has anything to do with a god answering the prayer. Armor of god I understand in the same way. I have protection techniques that really seem to work in real time that have nothing to do with god. I have traveled at night laying in bed to places miles away and seen things that were confirmed the next day so who says they are more spiritually advanced?
Ok, (and please correct me if I am wrong) it sounds like you're taking those things and interpreting them through your own worldview, just as the religious people do.
Since your worldview does not allow for a literal "Armor of God", you interpret that to mean a more generic "protection from spiritual warfare"?
I am not so dogmatic. Maybe there is some creator of the universe and you can have his protection. I don't think so but I could be wrong. I suspect there never was a beginning and never will be an end to existence. We are biased to think so because we are biological organisms with a...beginning and end. I really don't think the religious teachings about it are correct, which is what I was talking about when you started making derogatory pronouncements about me.
Well dang, Ultra. Yesterday you were an atheist. Now you're agnostic. And in less than 24 hours! Looks like I'm making progress!
I'm joking, I'm joking =)
I apologize for making derogatory pronouncements about you. This thread has been very insightful, and I really do appreciate your participation.
Apology accepted. I never said I am an atheist. I am truly agnostic in that I don't think it is knowable at this time what all the secrets of the cosmos are. I think that necessarily implies a disbelief in religion. If there is a universal creator I don't think it cares more about us than all the other types of beings throughout the universe, which is what your religion teaches. I see that as an obvious tell that it was designed to manipulate ancient populations who couldn't have known about the magnitude of the galaxy, let alone all the galaxies.
The best post on this thread. Thank you for sharing!
I just want to let you know that freedom of thought is available to people of faith too, because it's partly how i came to find God. I have freedom of thought to dwell on anything, including evil and good, though i prefer to dwell on good as a personal choice because I've seen the benefit of doing so.
I also just want to also note that the faith definition you gave isn't exactly right, but while it may be true in some contexts, it's not applicable to all forms of faith. This isn't to start an argument, but testimony is in the realm of evidence, and while i understand it can be hearsay to some, the testimony of the scriptures is similar to Q's testimony, where things were shared to us that some may not have realized was true until just this week (re: epstein/pedophilia), and may have called hearsay when it was shared.
With epstein there have been statements by eyewitnesses for years and a conviction in court long ago. In the new testament there are no witness statements by people who knew jesus. You can choose to believe it. To claim it is based on evidence is not true as far as I can see. If such mind-boggling supernatural events did occur I would think someone at the time would have mentioned it in their writings when it happened. The gospels came way later.
I understand where you come from, there was a period in my life when i was atheist. I'm not looking to argue, only help share expanded thinking.
When Jesus said "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28) - This verse has been proven true in the lives of many people who have turned to him for solace and peace during times of stress, anxiety, or despair (eg: the last 3 years). Through faith and surrendering burdens to Him, they have found comfort, strength, and a sense of peace that surpasses understanding. I'm one who can attest to this as being true as well.
The point im trying to make is that there are evidences of testimony, that if we quickly ignore, we may overlook a real truth, and it expands our thinking to consider them. I've been tripped by not doing this myself a number of times. But i now try to not be quick to dismiss, and if i am going to dismiss - i need to be certain.
I think that is a bending of the meaning of proof. People believe all kinds of things and feel very strongly about them. To me it doesn't matter how many believe it either. Do you think the number of hindus and the sincerity of their belief validates the reality of their pantheon?
It's more like finding out our definitions of proof are bound by the rigidity of man, which limit or deprive everyone of important truths, and burdens humanity with the weight of long-term lies (or corruption).
I'm saying how do you know it is true? The philosophical problem I have with faith is it requires thinking one knows for sure it is absolute truth. My thinking is based on doubt. I try not to believe anything if I can help it, especially not 100%. As a human being at a retarded stage of our species (I think we are intellectually stunted with an almost unlimited upside) I figure I'm bound to be wrong. There will always be a better way to understand a given thing. Why does it seem so enlightening to think this way?
I found it to be true after stepping out on faith and not falling. Something's there holding me up.
You should ask your debate partner what stupidity is Christianity spreading around the world. As far as I know, Christianity is love God & His son, do unto others what you want done unto you. The laws are based on the 10 commandments like don't steal, don't commit murder, don't lie, slander against others.. so ask him/her what stupidity is Christianity spreading?
Maybe they meant organized religion, belonging to certain groups that turn out to be cult? I need more details. God wins = Good wins. Christianity is about being good. So what's wrong with being good? Idgi
to start....you are equating God , god , and higher power
Tell me you’ve never learned to write for your audience, without telling me you never learned to write for your audience…
I posed my question to atheists. To them, all gods, Gods, and higher powers are equally non-existent. I chose my words to convey a sense of understanding for their different worldview, in hopes they would feel comfortable answering, and not feel like some judgmental christian was trying to set them up for an argument.
I wish there were a way to write things so they would be equally non-offensive to judgmental christians as well as atheists, but alas.
Some people come here in the guise of a Q supporter, then push their agenda. This person’s case was obviously anti-Christian. Take a few minutes and click on their handle and read a few of their posts and comments. If they are actively being divisive and not regularly making positive comments and posts about the Q agenda without throwing in their anti-Christian bias, then it may be time to hit the deport button.
...how do they reconcile prophets foreseeing Q and Trump, as well?
There is nothing to explain. It just shows you do not understand either Q or atheism.
You do not believe in the 800+ gods people believe or used to believe in. I just believe in one less than you.
Does that mean I want a shitty economy? No. Does that mean I want pedos in power? No. Does this mean I want to tell you what to do, say or believe? No.
I am for personal freedom.100%. I live by the Golden Rule, as you do. In fact, most people do.