SOME people do not like “FACTS” I work in the energy market,,,To Iithopedion 2 points 1 hour ago +2 / -0 It’s not about right or left, it’s about common since. Do your research. 1) Commercial wind turbine destruction of millions of birds, 2) cost to build (subsidized by tax dollars), 3) wind turbines prices have gone up not down, 4) cost of Decommissioning a turbine is $ 700,000 due to the rotor blades contain glass and carbon fibers that give off dust and toxic gases. 5) China makes 75% worlds solar panels 6) Corruption in U.S. tax dollars billions Solyndra 7) China cutting throats at Solar panels from China are "killing domestic manufacturing," according to the head of the Solar Energy Manufacturers for America Coalition. 8) The use of forced labour in the solar panel industry, particularly among the Uyghur population in China, has been a growing concern. Reports have linked several solar companies with factories in Xinjiang to forced labour practices, particularly for workers from the Uighur minority. 9) Just like nuclear waste you have this By 2050, the International Renewable Energy Agency projects that up to 78 million metric tons of solar panels will have reached the end of their life, and that the world will be generating about 6 million metric tons of new solar e-waste annually. 10) Last but not least Phone and electric car batteries are made with cobalt mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Cobalt Red author Siddharth Kara describes the conditions as a "horror show." 11) US tax payers pick up on cost of ownership of EV cars via tax credit, 12) USA power grid Most of the U.S. electric grid was built in the 1960s and 1970s. Today, over 70% of the U.S. electricity grid is more than 25 years old, and that aging system is vulnerable to increasingly intense storms. 13) A severe electromagnetic pulse (EMP) or geomagnetic disturbance (GMD) event could take the power grid down for months, and possibly even for years. An EMP is a very intense pulse of electromagnetic energy, typically caused by the detonation of a nuclear bomb or other high-energy explosive device Prove me wrong
So is owning an EV cheaper in the long run? All signs point to possibly. Maybe. Sometimes. But as we said, at this point in time, it’s complicated.
Again, I'm not sure what you want me to 'Prove you wrong' about.
I live off grid. We produce enough solar to power our home, charge a Tesla for my wife to use for her commute to work (around 40 miles rountrip, 60mayeb if she does errands) We have a Tahoe for towing/long distance stuff.
I ride a Harley.
I can't make gas. I like the freedom of not relying on infrastructure I have no control over. The Tesla will have paid for itself in 4 more years. It's free to charge.
Anyone who thinks they're saving the Earth by driving one of these is a fucking idiot. I don't care what their argument for driving one is, there are 100 times as many arguments to not drive one.
some people i know got a tesla just because it is "the best car on the market, and the most technologically advanced. so they should be at the cutting edge and own one"... they don't care about the environmental argument
You don't do this same list for ICEs. Look. I'm not an eco warrior. I'm a Personal Freedom Maximalist. Solar power and an EV check a box on that list for me. I want to rely on as little as possible. I own my home. I own land. I am self-employed. I'm financially independent. All of these add up to Freedom in my mind.
No, but I can fill my tank up in under 5 minutes, on a cloudy day or at night, and be on my merry way.
I read through some other freedom/off-grid statements below, and I get what you're saying. But as I said in my statement, the people who think they are saving the planet by driving one, are idiots. The mass raping of the earth, just to mine the materials to build these batteries, is horrendous, not to mention the 3rd world child labor shit-show. And I know I don't ever want to be around one, if something ever happens to those batteries - once they're compromised, and that chain reaction starts, it's going to burn until all those chemicals are consumed. They can't be extinguished with anything currently being carried around on fire trucks. I seriously hope none of you are in the thing if that ever happens, and you can't get the doors unlocked.
Ultimately, I don't think lithium ion batteries are the way to get away from burning gasoline. I seriously think HHO (separating hydrogen/oxygen from water) is the way to go, if it can be perfected, or improved upon, to where it's a lot more efficient in terms of energy being put into it vs what being generated. I can't remember the guy's name, but I believe he had it worked out in the '70s before they killed him.
If you and the others here, enjoy driving one, and you don't mind the charging time and risks involved, more power to you. You've spent your money as you saw fit, and that's the way it should be.
You should hear the sound my panels make... ;) That was bad-ass though. maybe 12 years ago, a neighbor (the same with a turbine) got real big into trying to get a gasifier system working. Ultimately he just went turbine, then solar.
Not only do they guzzle electricity, they destroy the environment with all the processes that have to be used to get enough lithium and cobalt to make the batteries.
They also burn through more tires and brakes due to being siginificantly heavier and the accidents they get into are more dangerous due to both the heavier weight of the cars and the potential battery fires that cannot be put out via conventional means
I've seen some videos recently. I can not believe how much it costs to charge one of these things. It seems to me it is actually more expensive than filling with gas. And it takes hours. No thanks.
That's what I read. Will there be a class action eventually. These people were obviously lied to. I bet it gets more and more expensive as the battery degrades.
These fast charger stations are way more expensive than charging at home. If I weren't charging for free off solar, I'd pay $0.08 per kWh, about $0.03 per mile. The Electrify America stations near me charge around $0.50 per kWh, raising the cost per mile to around $0.17. I only use these stations because my car came with two years of free charging.
On the other hand, though, a 6-7x markup on electricity is really good for business so they are adding new stations all the time.
You can't read apparently. If I weren't charging on solar, it would be $0.08 per kWh and I get 2.5-3 miles per kWh, averaging around $0.03 per mile. There's no way your pickup is even close to that efficient.
Your 630 miles per tank means nothing without a tank size. If you have a 30 gallon tank, that's like 21 mpg, at $3 a gallon, or $0.14 per mile. If the tank is bigger your efficiency is worse than that. Stop making shit up.
Yeah that was my point. I charge at home on solar, but if I was charging against mains, it would be about $0.03 per mile, or about $9 for a full 300mi charge. No gas vehicle can compare with that cost.
I also charge at EA fast chargers, because I get two years of free charging with my car.
Thank you for admitting you got the math wrong. One more: you said $80 to fill your 630mi tank. That works out to around $0.12 per mile as I stated somewhere here. So if I wasn't charging for free, I'd still be spending 1/4 what you do. I can't go 600 miles but I don't need to. I need to commute and get groceries and drive the kids around. I do all of that for basically no fuel cost. And sorry for getting short. The brainless attacks on EV owners here just pisses me off.
I am excited to see fuel cell tech take off, and I agree it is a better and more flexible future than battery EVs, but the tech is probably a decade away from being as cheap and efficient as ICE. We might see fuel cell + battery hybrids sooner than that, perhaps.
I live in the city. For my lifestyle, BEV is a perfect fit.
I just heard a guy on a local radio station saying that Hertz will be 80% EV starting next month. He was renting a Hertz car and all they had was EV. There was a line of people at the Hertz counter and none of them wanted to rent an EV. People are catching on. Companies like Hertz are not.
I'm not going to get into how this guy is confusing KWh and KW. But I am curious around people's pure hate around EVs. We have a Tesla. We charge it off of the same solar that powers our house. My wive drives it work and back. It's free. We have a Tahoe we use for extended trips.
EV range will only get better. Batteries will only get better. Solar Panels will only get better (the last 10 years has been INSANE gains) You can have all of the free energy you want from the sun (my neighbor has a small wind turbine but wishes he would have spent that money on more panel). This is freedom. I have no electricity bill. The grid goes down, I don't notice.
Weirdly, whenever I nerd out with someone on Solar/EV Setups they end up being lib eco-warrior-wannabes, because for some reason, folks on the right do not seem to understand the pure freedom it provides.
EV culture has been associated with leftists and liberals in the same way that NASCAR and pickup trucks are associated with the right and conservatives. Hate for EVs here is an attempt to own the libs but never has any real technical merit.
Finally, a reasonable post on this topic. It amazes me all the hate for EVs on this site. I don't know about other brands, but Teslas are amazing vehicles to have as long as you can charge from home. We drove over 26,000 miles the past 12 months and paid $447. Compare that to any gas vehicle or even a hybrid.
It's a great feeling waking up every morning to a fully charged car. No wasted time going to gas stations. We get home, plug it in, and repeat the next day. So easy.
I couldn't care less about the environment, and have no delusions that most of the electricity we use is coming from coal. I just know it's saving us money, time, and hassle.
Go Trump and FJB, just so nobody thinks I'm a troll.
Yeah people complain about range, but most folks are just driving around their town, maybe 100 miles a day if that? I live near a smallish 600k sized midwestern city, and I could drive all over that town all day and maybe get to 50%. I like to tow a camper so we still have something capable of that, but if you're just commuting to work it's SO much cheaper.
Yep.. and what did the charger and install cost you? More than $447, I assume.
That's the great thing about EVs, it makes the costs so abstract, people literally just forget about them. Or they take subsidies and are really proud of it for some reason.
Charger cost $500. I did the installation myself. So even with that, it's still much cheaper than gas. Of course you neglected to respond about the conveniences and time savings.
26000 miles at 40 mpg is 650 gallons at $3.199/gallon is $2,079 in fuel costs. That's all using estimates most favorable to your argument. You haven't saved anything significant.
You've ignored the inconvenience of being unable to travel with your vehicle without spending much more time than I would. For your exceptionally narrow use case it has so far worked for you. This is why people hate EVs, because EV owners act like no one else uses their car differently than they do, or they haven't had to repair their vehicle yet.
And time savings? Fuel pumps operate at 10 gallons per minute. How much time were you actually spending putting fuel in your vehicle? Yet you did the installation of the charger yourself. You must have an exceptional difficulty in placing the correct value on your own time.
Which is all fine.. but pretending that "you don't get why people hate EVs" is shallow and made me want to respond.
40mpg? What percentage of gas vehicles on the road today get that? I bet it's less than 25%.
But using this absurdly high mpg, I'm still paying > 75% less per year. > 50% if you count the cost of the charger, which is only a 1 time fee. I think 75% savings is significant.
You time your next gas fillup from empty to full. Not the time when you start pumping, but the time you take pulling into the station, finding a free pump, getting your credit card pre-approved (hoping it actually works and you don't have to go inside, or even better, hoping that nobody installed a fake reader and steals your card info), pump your gas, shut everything down, and get out of the station back on the road. 5 minutes minimum, more likely 10.
With the miles we drive, I'd have to fillup at least 2x/week. Keep the math simple to get 100 fillups/year. 5 minutes each, that's 500 minutes. More likely 10 minutes or 1000 minutes/year total. If I go on a long trip and stop to charge my Tesla, I might stop for 20 minutes max per stop vs 5-10 minutes for a gas stop. I'll take a piss and get a bite to eat on that long trip and happily avoid wasting 500-1000 minutes/year at gas stations.
I was able to install my charger in less time than it would take to drive to my closest gas station, fillup, and drive back. And now I never have to do that again.
Kudos to you for standing up for what you believe, but what you believe is based on gas lighting from the DS against Elon, nothing more.
To Iithopedion 2 points 1 hour ago +2 / -0
It’s not about right or left, it’s about common since. Do your research. 1) Commercial wind turbine destruction of millions of birds, 2) cost to build (subsidized by tax dollars), 3) wind turbines prices have gone up not down, 4) cost of Decommissioning a turbine is $ 700,000 due to the rotor blades contain glass and carbon fibers that give off dust and toxic gases. 5) China makes 75% worlds solar panels 6) Corruption in U.S. tax dollars billions Solyndra 7) China cutting throats at Solar panels from China are "killing domestic manufacturing," according to the head of the Solar Energy Manufacturers for America Coalition. 8) The use of forced labour in the solar panel industry, particularly among the Uyghur population in China, has been a growing concern. Reports have linked several solar companies with factories in Xinjiang to forced labour practices, particularly for workers from the Uighur minority. 9) Just like nuclear waste you have this By 2050, the International Renewable Energy Agency projects that up to 78 million metric tons of solar panels will have reached the end of their life, and that the world will be generating about 6 million metric tons of new solar e-waste annually. 10) Last but not least Phone and electric car batteries are made with cobalt mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Cobalt Red author Siddharth Kara describes the conditions as a "horror show." Prove me wrong
to clarify something about the "hate for ev's": it isn't really the ev, it is the propaganda to change over to ev. people have spotted the lies being told to switch over. those of you that can afford to get your own solar panel set up or your own wind turbine, think about it, you are a very small percentage of the population. for the masses, they will be dependent on others to provide this renewable energy. and the expenses of keeping it updated will be passed on to the consumers. have you calculated the expense of what you paid for your infrastructure into the cost of your mileage? have you calculated what it costs to replace batteries or vehicles when they are needed? have you calculated what cost to the environment these things will be until their is an effective recycling system created? will that system mean transport to a third world country where safety of workers will be ignored?
just a few things to think about. if these questions anger you, maybe it isnt the "hate of ev's" but something else.
“Oh and by the way, most of that is generated by coal fired power plants”
And that is part of the big con. EV’s will not ‘Save the planet”, building them pollutes the planet, uses excess carbon and is a “recycle” nightmare due to the lithium batteries. They are also a fire hazard. What a total scam.
I can see use on both sides. We have a hybrid. The CMax uses regenerative braking +plug in to charge the battery. This get us about 25 miles to husbands work. Then gas home. This is ONLY in the summer. Isn't worth a shit in winter. Can get, maybe 10 miles, due to heat. People completely forget about that. In the summer we get about 65 miles/gal. Winter, more like 32. We would never have a complete electric. Then your a slave to their system. JMO
I charge mine at home entirely from renewables and pay almost nothing for it. And even if I didn't the kWh cost per mile versus gasoline is like 3 cents vs 12 cents.
Yeah this is nonsense. People charge at these things for may 15-30 minutes and folks like me that charge at home use less than 1/10 this much power (and I charge from solar so I'm not even on the grid for that). Absurd hate of EVs here all trying to somehow own the libs.
That's a fact, I owned it since 2016 and did extensive research on it.
Granted it's only a few bucks to charge it but 8 hours of charging for 40 miles wasn't worth it for me.
I understand charging on solar is useful but these vehicles can still be kill switched much more easily.
I also had a ton of issues with it including flat out refusing to charge.
much like trains of years gone by.... coal burners..... ev's are no different... just shinier and won't be in service in 5-7 years because no one will want a used ev... coal powered trains can run 100 years or longer when maintained.
maybe if our overlords weren't busy selling our uranium to other countries, or only interested in building reactors capable of creating enriched byproduct instead of just electricity.. we'd have some real clean energy.. or, dare i say, HYDROELECTRIC.
It's a wonderful place in Chicago these days. All the EV Chargers are not working because of the cold so all those people and their cars are off th road. It's been very humbling for them.
EVs have external combustion engines.
Excellent observation.
All energy at some point in time was nuclear.
...also auto fire extinguishers & exit chutes.
SOME people do not like “FACTS” I work in the energy market,,,To Iithopedion 2 points 1 hour ago +2 / -0 It’s not about right or left, it’s about common since. Do your research. 1) Commercial wind turbine destruction of millions of birds, 2) cost to build (subsidized by tax dollars), 3) wind turbines prices have gone up not down, 4) cost of Decommissioning a turbine is $ 700,000 due to the rotor blades contain glass and carbon fibers that give off dust and toxic gases. 5) China makes 75% worlds solar panels 6) Corruption in U.S. tax dollars billions Solyndra 7) China cutting throats at Solar panels from China are "killing domestic manufacturing," according to the head of the Solar Energy Manufacturers for America Coalition. 8) The use of forced labour in the solar panel industry, particularly among the Uyghur population in China, has been a growing concern. Reports have linked several solar companies with factories in Xinjiang to forced labour practices, particularly for workers from the Uighur minority. 9) Just like nuclear waste you have this By 2050, the International Renewable Energy Agency projects that up to 78 million metric tons of solar panels will have reached the end of their life, and that the world will be generating about 6 million metric tons of new solar e-waste annually. 10) Last but not least Phone and electric car batteries are made with cobalt mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Cobalt Red author Siddharth Kara describes the conditions as a "horror show." 11) US tax payers pick up on cost of ownership of EV cars via tax credit, 12) USA power grid Most of the U.S. electric grid was built in the 1960s and 1970s. Today, over 70% of the U.S. electricity grid is more than 25 years old, and that aging system is vulnerable to increasingly intense storms. 13) A severe electromagnetic pulse (EMP) or geomagnetic disturbance (GMD) event could take the power grid down for months, and possibly even for years. An EMP is a very intense pulse of electromagnetic energy, typically caused by the detonation of a nuclear bomb or other high-energy explosive device Prove me wrong
So is owning an EV cheaper in the long run? All signs point to possibly. Maybe. Sometimes. But as we said, at this point in time, it’s complicated.
https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32494027/ev-vs-gas-cheaper-to-own/
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/the-cost-of-decommissioning-wind-turbines-is-huge/ ** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra *** https://www.wired.com/story/solar-panels-are-starting-to-die-leaving-behind-toxic-trash/ **** https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152799423/how-modern-day-slavery-powers-the-rechargeable-battery-economy
Again, I'm not sure what you want me to 'Prove you wrong' about.
I live off grid. We produce enough solar to power our home, charge a Tesla for my wife to use for her commute to work (around 40 miles rountrip, 60mayeb if she does errands) We have a Tahoe for towing/long distance stuff.
I ride a Harley.
I can't make gas. I like the freedom of not relying on infrastructure I have no control over. The Tesla will have paid for itself in 4 more years. It's free to charge.
https://greatawakening.win/p/17s5kNiH1V/chicagoarea-tesla-charging-stati/c/
Anyone who thinks they're saving the Earth by driving one of these is a fucking idiot. I don't care what their argument for driving one is, there are 100 times as many arguments to not drive one.
the only reason I can see for having one is for someone that absolutely hates going to gasoline stations.
some people i know got a tesla just because it is "the best car on the market, and the most technologically advanced. so they should be at the cutting edge and own one"... they don't care about the environmental argument
I charge mine entirely off solar. Can your gas guzzler do that?
cobalt mines
lithium mines
battery disposal
solar cell disposal
wind blade disposal (dead bird disposal)
explosive battery fires
90 minute charging on fast charge
limited driving range
grid overload
faster tire and road wear
limited life span
EVs are not a solution ---- they are a list of problems
You don't do this same list for ICEs. Look. I'm not an eco warrior. I'm a Personal Freedom Maximalist. Solar power and an EV check a box on that list for me. I want to rely on as little as possible. I own my home. I own land. I am self-employed. I'm financially independent. All of these add up to Freedom in my mind.
So are ICE cars.
No, but I can fill my tank up in under 5 minutes, on a cloudy day or at night, and be on my merry way.
I read through some other freedom/off-grid statements below, and I get what you're saying. But as I said in my statement, the people who think they are saving the planet by driving one, are idiots. The mass raping of the earth, just to mine the materials to build these batteries, is horrendous, not to mention the 3rd world child labor shit-show. And I know I don't ever want to be around one, if something ever happens to those batteries - once they're compromised, and that chain reaction starts, it's going to burn until all those chemicals are consumed. They can't be extinguished with anything currently being carried around on fire trucks. I seriously hope none of you are in the thing if that ever happens, and you can't get the doors unlocked.
Ultimately, I don't think lithium ion batteries are the way to get away from burning gasoline. I seriously think HHO (separating hydrogen/oxygen from water) is the way to go, if it can be perfected, or improved upon, to where it's a lot more efficient in terms of energy being put into it vs what being generated. I can't remember the guy's name, but I believe he had it worked out in the '70s before they killed him.
If you and the others here, enjoy driving one, and you don't mind the charging time and risks involved, more power to you. You've spent your money as you saw fit, and that's the way it should be.
Rolling off the lot ---- an EV has a higher carbon footprint than gas.
get back to us when it is time to change that battery please.
Most current model batteries have a life of 300k-400k miles. Get back to me when you have to replace your engine for the same price.
This. People don't understand the freedom having a EV and Solar gives you.
The Amish have vehicles that run off of grass.
kek. That's a little TOO off-grid even for me ;)
https://communities.win/c/TheDonald/p/17s5kJBEZf/alternate-energy-source---wood-p/c
This was making so much power --- it was doing a runaway ---- they had to shut it down.
You should hear the sound my panels make... ;) That was bad-ass though. maybe 12 years ago, a neighbor (the same with a turbine) got real big into trying to get a gasifier system working. Ultimately he just went turbine, then solar.
Not only do they guzzle electricity, they destroy the environment with all the processes that have to be used to get enough lithium and cobalt to make the batteries.
They also burn through more tires and brakes due to being siginificantly heavier and the accidents they get into are more dangerous due to both the heavier weight of the cars and the potential battery fires that cannot be put out via conventional means
They don't use brakes man they slow down by generating electricity.
My Tesla has both. Regenerative braking, and regular hydraulic discs.
Mine too but i pride myself in using only the regen braking system even when coming to a full stop.
I've seen some videos recently. I can not believe how much it costs to charge one of these things. It seems to me it is actually more expensive than filling with gas. And it takes hours. No thanks.
I heard it's like paying $17.33 a gallon.
That's what I read. Will there be a class action eventually. These people were obviously lied to. I bet it gets more and more expensive as the battery degrades.
Wait till they realize how much it cost to replace the old battery. Ouch!
These fast charger stations are way more expensive than charging at home. If I weren't charging for free off solar, I'd pay $0.08 per kWh, about $0.03 per mile. The Electrify America stations near me charge around $0.50 per kWh, raising the cost per mile to around $0.17. I only use these stations because my car came with two years of free charging.
On the other hand, though, a 6-7x markup on electricity is really good for business so they are adding new stations all the time.
Of your car goes 300 miles per charge, that’s $75 per fill up at a fast charger
At .08 cents it’s $24
My truck gets 630 miles per tank so it’s cheaper to use gas, even at the 0.08 cent per mile price.
You can't read apparently. If I weren't charging on solar, it would be $0.08 per kWh and I get 2.5-3 miles per kWh, averaging around $0.03 per mile. There's no way your pickup is even close to that efficient.
Your 630 miles per tank means nothing without a tank size. If you have a 30 gallon tank, that's like 21 mpg, at $3 a gallon, or $0.14 per mile. If the tank is bigger your efficiency is worse than that. Stop making shit up.
The Electrify America stations near me charge around $0.50 per kWh, raising the cost per mile to around $0.17.
.17 x 300 miles is $54 Too much money. It should be $10.00 to fully charge.
I pay $80 per fill up on a 36 gallon tank. I get 630 miles out of it.
Yeah that was my point. I charge at home on solar, but if I was charging against mains, it would be about $0.03 per mile, or about $9 for a full 300mi charge. No gas vehicle can compare with that cost.
I also charge at EA fast chargers, because I get two years of free charging with my car.
Wow. Hostile much? Acting quite a libtard.
My tank is 36 gallon.
Instead of acting like a douchebag, perhaps explain it in a nice way. I realize I got the math incorrectly.
Thank you for admitting you got the math wrong. One more: you said $80 to fill your 630mi tank. That works out to around $0.12 per mile as I stated somewhere here. So if I wasn't charging for free, I'd still be spending 1/4 what you do. I can't go 600 miles but I don't need to. I need to commute and get groceries and drive the kids around. I do all of that for basically no fuel cost. And sorry for getting short. The brainless attacks on EV owners here just pisses me off.
No worries. I have a charger put in y home when I built it. My guests who have electric cars can charge at my place for free when they book a room.
I’ve been looking into EV but other than Tesla, the mileage range isn’t what I need. I need something to go 500 miles or more per charge.
I own a farm so the truck is needed, plus I have a 50 mile commute each way for work.
I was looking into hydrogen fuel cells but that’s just as expensive as gas.
I am excited to see fuel cell tech take off, and I agree it is a better and more flexible future than battery EVs, but the tech is probably a decade away from being as cheap and efficient as ICE. We might see fuel cell + battery hybrids sooner than that, perhaps.
I live in the city. For my lifestyle, BEV is a perfect fit.
I just heard a guy on a local radio station saying that Hertz will be 80% EV starting next month. He was renting a Hertz car and all they had was EV. There was a line of people at the Hertz counter and none of them wanted to rent an EV. People are catching on. Companies like Hertz are not.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/hertz-dumping-20000-evs-is-a-warning-to-electric-car-owners-everywhere/ar-AA1mSpng
I read this and HERTZ is dumping their EVs
I wonder where they're dumping them?
don't rent an EV car, it messes things up for everyone.
hertz is holding on to their teslas and dumping all the rest of the ev's from what I had heard.
I'm not going to get into how this guy is confusing KWh and KW. But I am curious around people's pure hate around EVs. We have a Tesla. We charge it off of the same solar that powers our house. My wive drives it work and back. It's free. We have a Tahoe we use for extended trips.
EV range will only get better. Batteries will only get better. Solar Panels will only get better (the last 10 years has been INSANE gains) You can have all of the free energy you want from the sun (my neighbor has a small wind turbine but wishes he would have spent that money on more panel). This is freedom. I have no electricity bill. The grid goes down, I don't notice.
Weirdly, whenever I nerd out with someone on Solar/EV Setups they end up being lib eco-warrior-wannabes, because for some reason, folks on the right do not seem to understand the pure freedom it provides.
EV culture has been associated with leftists and liberals in the same way that NASCAR and pickup trucks are associated with the right and conservatives. Hate for EVs here is an attempt to own the libs but never has any real technical merit.
I appreciate your posts on this topic. Apparently I need to do more research on this.
Finally, a reasonable post on this topic. It amazes me all the hate for EVs on this site. I don't know about other brands, but Teslas are amazing vehicles to have as long as you can charge from home. We drove over 26,000 miles the past 12 months and paid $447. Compare that to any gas vehicle or even a hybrid.
It's a great feeling waking up every morning to a fully charged car. No wasted time going to gas stations. We get home, plug it in, and repeat the next day. So easy.
I couldn't care less about the environment, and have no delusions that most of the electricity we use is coming from coal. I just know it's saving us money, time, and hassle.
Go Trump and FJB, just so nobody thinks I'm a troll.
Yeah people complain about range, but most folks are just driving around their town, maybe 100 miles a day if that? I live near a smallish 600k sized midwestern city, and I could drive all over that town all day and maybe get to 50%. I like to tow a camper so we still have something capable of that, but if you're just commuting to work it's SO much cheaper.
Yep.. and what did the charger and install cost you? More than $447, I assume.
That's the great thing about EVs, it makes the costs so abstract, people literally just forget about them. Or they take subsidies and are really proud of it for some reason.
Charger cost $500. I did the installation myself. So even with that, it's still much cheaper than gas. Of course you neglected to respond about the conveniences and time savings.
26000 miles at 40 mpg is 650 gallons at $3.199/gallon is $2,079 in fuel costs. That's all using estimates most favorable to your argument. You haven't saved anything significant.
You've ignored the inconvenience of being unable to travel with your vehicle without spending much more time than I would. For your exceptionally narrow use case it has so far worked for you. This is why people hate EVs, because EV owners act like no one else uses their car differently than they do, or they haven't had to repair their vehicle yet.
And time savings? Fuel pumps operate at 10 gallons per minute. How much time were you actually spending putting fuel in your vehicle? Yet you did the installation of the charger yourself. You must have an exceptional difficulty in placing the correct value on your own time.
Which is all fine.. but pretending that "you don't get why people hate EVs" is shallow and made me want to respond.
40mpg? What percentage of gas vehicles on the road today get that? I bet it's less than 25%.
But using this absurdly high mpg, I'm still paying > 75% less per year. > 50% if you count the cost of the charger, which is only a 1 time fee. I think 75% savings is significant.
You time your next gas fillup from empty to full. Not the time when you start pumping, but the time you take pulling into the station, finding a free pump, getting your credit card pre-approved (hoping it actually works and you don't have to go inside, or even better, hoping that nobody installed a fake reader and steals your card info), pump your gas, shut everything down, and get out of the station back on the road. 5 minutes minimum, more likely 10.
With the miles we drive, I'd have to fillup at least 2x/week. Keep the math simple to get 100 fillups/year. 5 minutes each, that's 500 minutes. More likely 10 minutes or 1000 minutes/year total. If I go on a long trip and stop to charge my Tesla, I might stop for 20 minutes max per stop vs 5-10 minutes for a gas stop. I'll take a piss and get a bite to eat on that long trip and happily avoid wasting 500-1000 minutes/year at gas stations.
I was able to install my charger in less time than it would take to drive to my closest gas station, fillup, and drive back. And now I never have to do that again.
Kudos to you for standing up for what you believe, but what you believe is based on gas lighting from the DS against Elon, nothing more.
To Iithopedion 2 points 1 hour ago +2 / -0 It’s not about right or left, it’s about common since. Do your research. 1) Commercial wind turbine destruction of millions of birds, 2) cost to build (subsidized by tax dollars), 3) wind turbines prices have gone up not down, 4) cost of Decommissioning a turbine is $ 700,000 due to the rotor blades contain glass and carbon fibers that give off dust and toxic gases. 5) China makes 75% worlds solar panels 6) Corruption in U.S. tax dollars billions Solyndra 7) China cutting throats at Solar panels from China are "killing domestic manufacturing," according to the head of the Solar Energy Manufacturers for America Coalition. 8) The use of forced labour in the solar panel industry, particularly among the Uyghur population in China, has been a growing concern. Reports have linked several solar companies with factories in Xinjiang to forced labour practices, particularly for workers from the Uighur minority. 9) Just like nuclear waste you have this By 2050, the International Renewable Energy Agency projects that up to 78 million metric tons of solar panels will have reached the end of their life, and that the world will be generating about 6 million metric tons of new solar e-waste annually. 10) Last but not least Phone and electric car batteries are made with cobalt mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Cobalt Red author Siddharth Kara describes the conditions as a "horror show." Prove me wrong
What am I supposed to prove you wrong about?
to clarify something about the "hate for ev's": it isn't really the ev, it is the propaganda to change over to ev. people have spotted the lies being told to switch over. those of you that can afford to get your own solar panel set up or your own wind turbine, think about it, you are a very small percentage of the population. for the masses, they will be dependent on others to provide this renewable energy. and the expenses of keeping it updated will be passed on to the consumers. have you calculated the expense of what you paid for your infrastructure into the cost of your mileage? have you calculated what it costs to replace batteries or vehicles when they are needed? have you calculated what cost to the environment these things will be until their is an effective recycling system created? will that system mean transport to a third world country where safety of workers will be ignored?
just a few things to think about. if these questions anger you, maybe it isnt the "hate of ev's" but something else.
“Oh and by the way, most of that is generated by coal fired power plants”
And that is part of the big con. EV’s will not ‘Save the planet”, building them pollutes the planet, uses excess carbon and is a “recycle” nightmare due to the lithium batteries. They are also a fire hazard. What a total scam.
I can see use on both sides. We have a hybrid. The CMax uses regenerative braking +plug in to charge the battery. This get us about 25 miles to husbands work. Then gas home. This is ONLY in the summer. Isn't worth a shit in winter. Can get, maybe 10 miles, due to heat. People completely forget about that. In the summer we get about 65 miles/gal. Winter, more like 32. We would never have a complete electric. Then your a slave to their system. JMO
I charge mine at home entirely from renewables and pay almost nothing for it. And even if I didn't the kWh cost per mile versus gasoline is like 3 cents vs 12 cents.
Great video
When I had a Chevy Volt, Slow charging it was like running a dryer till it was charged.
Yeah this is nonsense. People charge at these things for may 15-30 minutes and folks like me that charge at home use less than 1/10 this much power (and I charge from solar so I'm not even on the grid for that). Absurd hate of EVs here all trying to somehow own the libs.
That's a fact, I owned it since 2016 and did extensive research on it. Granted it's only a few bucks to charge it but 8 hours of charging for 40 miles wasn't worth it for me.
I understand charging on solar is useful but these vehicles can still be kill switched much more easily.
I also had a ton of issues with it including flat out refusing to charge.
So is that a rental car or is he admitting he's a stupid asshole?
much like trains of years gone by.... coal burners..... ev's are no different... just shinier and won't be in service in 5-7 years because no one will want a used ev... coal powered trains can run 100 years or longer when maintained.
Logic not required to be a liberal.
In Anchorage Alaska, EV vehicles uses natural gas to create its electrical appetite
Houses use 1.25kwh per day? That is incredibly untrue.
maybe if our overlords weren't busy selling our uranium to other countries, or only interested in building reactors capable of creating enriched byproduct instead of just electricity.. we'd have some real clean energy.. or, dare i say, HYDROELECTRIC.
It's a wonderful place in Chicago these days. All the EV Chargers are not working because of the cold so all those people and their cars are off th road. It's been very humbling for them.
They're worse than that. They'll use the "fair share" argument and say that gas needs to be taxed more to make things more "even and fair."