I consider this Treason. Giving the Russians our technology. When they break, the Ukrainians have no spares or expertise to fix them. So they will abandon them on the battlefield.
Has it occured to anyone that this is happening only because these tanks have recently been made completely obsolete? The US army is possibly holding a still unrevealed superweapon that changes everything.
Same goes for the afghan equipment.
Breathe, frog. These are export versions of the M1A1 (which first rolled out in 1985) that contain nothing classified. It would indeed be time to panic if these were the M1A2 SEP v3 (System Enhancement Package version 3). Instead these are likely refurbs from the Iraq war. These are not the M1A2, our most advanced tank. The most important differences between the M1A1 and M1A2 tanks include:
Fire Control System: The M1A2 features an improved fire control system compared to the M1A1, offering enhanced target acquisition and engagement capabilities.
Armor: The M1A2 has upgraded armor protection, including the incorporation of depleted uranium layers, providing better protection against enemy fire.
Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV): The M1A2 is equipped with a CITV, allowing the tank commander to scan for targets independently of the gunner's sight, a feature not present in the M1A1.
Digital Systems: The M1A2 includes advanced digital systems and battlefield management systems, improving communication and coordination with other units, which the M1A1 lacks.
Situational Awareness: Enhanced situational awareness in the M1A2 is achieved through better computer systems and software, providing a significant advantage over the M1A1 in modern combat scenarios.
These tanks are sitting ducks compared to modern Russian AT weapons and shall be opened like the tins of anchovies on wheels that they are here very shortly. The M1A1 is severely outclassed on the Ukraine battlefield. What we see in today's Ukraine is a battlefield packed with entrenched positions, smart artillery, drones, and next-gen anti-tank missiles, the M1A1 Abrams tank would find itself in a tight spot, but it's not all doom and gloom:
AT Missiles & Artillery: These modern beasties are a real threat to the M1A1. Its tough armor is good, but some of those missiles can punch through like a hot knife through butter.
Drones: These flying pests can spot tanks for artillery or take a direct hit approach. The M1A1 isn't built to swat flies, so it's a bit of a sitting duck here.
Entrenched Warfare: Mobility's a big deal for tanks, but in a dug-in fight, that advantage kinda evaporates. The M1A1, like any tank, would rather not play hide and seek with entrenched enemies.
Surviving the High-Tech Onslaught: It's all about teamwork on the modern field. The M1A1 needs buddies—infantry, air support, you name it—to watch its back against those AT missiles and drones. Without some serious tech upgrades, including active protection systems, it's going to have a rough time.
Logistics & Support: Keeping these beasts rolling and in fighting shape demands a serious behind-the-scenes effort, especially when every other weapon on the battlefield is designed to take them out.
You can see the super-thin armour that tops this tank here at this link. They are sitting ducks:
Bottom line, the M1A1 is a tough old bruiser, but against today's high-tech warfare, it'd need a serious makeover to keep up with the threats and stay relevant.
Me too. There's no justification for this except to start WWIII. Treason at the highest levels. Have the American people or Congress approved this? NO!
And NATO has given Ukraine authority to strike into Russia with the F16s Xi-den is sending. Russia has stated that if Ukraine uses us made F16s inside Russia that Russia will strike inside other nations countries. I’m paraphrasing.
I think we’re getting closer to a hot war with Russia to hide the economic disaster. Someone needs to be blamed and it won’t be Wallstreet or the Fed.
I am so tired of their shit man. I can’t reunite with these fucking retards. Between the Russia shit, trans shit, covid shit and what not I am so fucking DONE with these traitors in the government and their dumb followers.
The lying rat fucks in the government and media need to be hung. And the leftist retards just need to go aways. Don’t care if they get the suddenlies, kill themselves or if they hide in shame when this is all done. I just want them gone.
I am just trying to live my fucking life. Trying to start a family but even when I take a break from the news I get reminded of this shit by the price of groceries or seeing some typical Seattle ass clown who needs to let me know they are trans or gay or a furry or all 3.
I just want to fast forward to the election already so I can see them cry. Tired of those losers blaming Trump for all their personal faults.
I have a friend, a VietNam vet Ranger captain who commanded an armored company who is rooting for the Ukranians because Putin BAD , I have tried to tell him the leaders are corrupt and the nazis run the military..he just says "we shall see". I have told him "when you see I was right all along, I don't expect an apology but I do expect acknowledgement.. His world view is set in stone and truth doesn't make a dent..
Theres a lot of Gen Xers around my age that grew up in the 70s, lived through the Carter malaise and cast their first votes for Reagan who are 100% Trump, but still think of Russia as the evil empire of the Soviet days. A guy that has worked for me off and on for the last 37 years is one of them. He voted Trump, sees the evil in just about every other way but Russia is a blindspot.
I can't 100% blame him. For many decades, the Soviet Union was our deadly enemy, and this was drummed into the heads of several American generations. To the extent that even after the communist Soviet regime is long gone, many of them can't stop thinking "Russia = Bad!"
This should be intetesting. I hope they sent the "export" version of the M1... If not, we just gave the Russians an example of how to build the best armor plating in the world.
were all the tanks captured by isis in iraq destroyed? or did they sell some to the chinese or russians? btw, m1a1 and m1a2 are the export versions. I wonder how many the soudi's lost in yemen that might have been captured and sold? did the soudi's even sell any directly to russia now? the wold is a shitshow now.
There were never any American tanks destroyed by enemy fire. There were "mobility kills" that we then intentionally destroyed to prevent the enemy from getting intelligence from them, but they were all later recovered, recycled, rebuilt, and recommissioned. There were also friendly fires kills, that we later rebuilt.
The M1 is one of the most deadly tanks ever built and has proven by combat to be the most survivable tank in history.
The Avco-Lycoming AGT1500 is a gas turbine engine. It is the main powerplant of the M1 Abrams series of tanks.
Engine output peaks at 1,500 hp (1,100 kW), with 2,750 lb⋅ft (3,730 N⋅m) of torque at that peak,[2] which occurs at 3,000 rpm.[3] The turbine can provide torque in excess of 667 lb⋅ft (904 N⋅m) at significantly lower RPMs. The engine weighs approximately 2,500 lb (1,100 kg) and occupies a volume of 40 cu ft (1.1 m3), measuring 63 in × 40 in × 28 in (1,600 mm × 1,020 mm × 710 mm).[4]
The engine can use a variety of fuels, including jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and marine diesel.[2]
The engine is a three-shaft machine composed of five sub-modules:[4]
Recuperator – a fixed cylindrical regenerative heat exchanger that extracts waste heat from the exhaust gases and uses it to preheat the compressed air
Rotating Gas Producer – the five-stage, dual-spool compressor which achieves a 14.5:1 compression ratio at full power, driven by the compressor turbine, which operates with a maximum turbine inlet temperature of 2,180 °F (1,190 °C)
Accessory Gearbox – bevel gears that extract 35 to 100 hp (26 to 75 kW) from the high-pressure spool to operate the fuel control unit, starter, oil pump, and vehicle hydraulic pump
Power Turbines – the first stage of the two-stage power turbine is driven by a variable-geometry nozzle to improve efficiency
Reduction Gearbox – reduces power turboshaft speed.
All the above to be maintained by 40 to 50 yr old draftees with no background in heavy tanks while being lit up by Russians who zap them anytime they organize too close together this tanks motor pool will have it pretty bad as bad as the tank itself when KA-52's show up.
Their engines are so hot they light up like spotlights to Russian radar. I think, "killing fish in a barrel" is the appropriate term. They won't last a day. A total waist of money.
The good armor was stripped off of these tanks so the Russians are going to kill them just as quick as they did everything they have encountered before.
"Now we're just sending some arms to South Vietnam."
"Ok, now we're just sending a few troops to train them."
"Uh oh, the communists just attacked our ship in the Gulf of Tonkin even though we have no proof. Now we need to draft tens of thousands of young men against their will to die in this endless quagmire."
Ten seconds after the production of the Abrams was announced, the Russians assigned a team of scientists to figure out how to take it out. This is now old technology.
I think they sent the TANKS, Ammo, Guns as traceable items to see the current network of arms smuggling.
NATO already has an army in waiting and this is just a way of them slowly rolling it out under the guise of having it donated NOW as opposed to them stockpiling these for years.
I consider this Treason. Giving the Russians our technology. When they break, the Ukrainians have no spares or expertise to fix them. So they will abandon them on the battlefield.
Has it occured to anyone that this is happening only because these tanks have recently been made completely obsolete? The US army is possibly holding a still unrevealed superweapon that changes everything. Same goes for the afghan equipment.
Breathe, frog. These are export versions of the M1A1 (which first rolled out in 1985) that contain nothing classified. It would indeed be time to panic if these were the M1A2 SEP v3 (System Enhancement Package version 3). Instead these are likely refurbs from the Iraq war. These are not the M1A2, our most advanced tank. The most important differences between the M1A1 and M1A2 tanks include:
Fire Control System: The M1A2 features an improved fire control system compared to the M1A1, offering enhanced target acquisition and engagement capabilities.
Armor: The M1A2 has upgraded armor protection, including the incorporation of depleted uranium layers, providing better protection against enemy fire.
Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV): The M1A2 is equipped with a CITV, allowing the tank commander to scan for targets independently of the gunner's sight, a feature not present in the M1A1.
Digital Systems: The M1A2 includes advanced digital systems and battlefield management systems, improving communication and coordination with other units, which the M1A1 lacks.
Situational Awareness: Enhanced situational awareness in the M1A2 is achieved through better computer systems and software, providing a significant advantage over the M1A1 in modern combat scenarios.
These tanks are sitting ducks compared to modern Russian AT weapons and shall be opened like the tins of anchovies on wheels that they are here very shortly. The M1A1 is severely outclassed on the Ukraine battlefield. What we see in today's Ukraine is a battlefield packed with entrenched positions, smart artillery, drones, and next-gen anti-tank missiles, the M1A1 Abrams tank would find itself in a tight spot, but it's not all doom and gloom:
AT Missiles & Artillery: These modern beasties are a real threat to the M1A1. Its tough armor is good, but some of those missiles can punch through like a hot knife through butter.
Drones: These flying pests can spot tanks for artillery or take a direct hit approach. The M1A1 isn't built to swat flies, so it's a bit of a sitting duck here.
Entrenched Warfare: Mobility's a big deal for tanks, but in a dug-in fight, that advantage kinda evaporates. The M1A1, like any tank, would rather not play hide and seek with entrenched enemies.
Surviving the High-Tech Onslaught: It's all about teamwork on the modern field. The M1A1 needs buddies—infantry, air support, you name it—to watch its back against those AT missiles and drones. Without some serious tech upgrades, including active protection systems, it's going to have a rough time.
Logistics & Support: Keeping these beasts rolling and in fighting shape demands a serious behind-the-scenes effort, especially when every other weapon on the battlefield is designed to take them out.
You can see the super-thin armour that tops this tank here at this link. They are sitting ducks:
https://twitter.com/Pion_2S7/status/1741341456747331628
Bottom line, the M1A1 is a tough old bruiser, but against today's high-tech warfare, it'd need a serious makeover to keep up with the threats and stay relevant.
Me too. There's no justification for this except to start WWIII. Treason at the highest levels. Have the American people or Congress approved this? NO!
We need to send spare parts and mechanics to help them get fixed. Got it. Thanks
And NATO has given Ukraine authority to strike into Russia with the F16s Xi-den is sending. Russia has stated that if Ukraine uses us made F16s inside Russia that Russia will strike inside other nations countries. I’m paraphrasing.
I think we’re getting closer to a hot war with Russia to hide the economic disaster. Someone needs to be blamed and it won’t be Wallstreet or the Fed.
Oh they’ll blame Trump for sure
I am so tired of their shit man. I can’t reunite with these fucking retards. Between the Russia shit, trans shit, covid shit and what not I am so fucking DONE with these traitors in the government and their dumb followers.
The lying rat fucks in the government and media need to be hung. And the leftist retards just need to go aways. Don’t care if they get the suddenlies, kill themselves or if they hide in shame when this is all done. I just want them gone.
I am just trying to live my fucking life. Trying to start a family but even when I take a break from the news I get reminded of this shit by the price of groceries or seeing some typical Seattle ass clown who needs to let me know they are trans or gay or a furry or all 3.
I just want to fast forward to the election already so I can see them cry. Tired of those losers blaming Trump for all their personal faults.
I mean, why not? I'm surprised Trump wasn't blamed for AT&T shutting down.
I̶t̶ w̶a̶s̶ a̶ s̶o̶l̶a̶r̶ f̶l̶a̶r̶e̶
I̶t̶ w̶a̶s̶ a̶ s̶o̶f̶t̶w̶a̶r̶e̶ u̶p̶d̶a̶t̶e̶
I̶t̶ w̶a̶s̶ g̶l̶o̶b̶a̶l̶ w̶a̶r̶m̶i̶n̶g̶
It was Trump.
I have a friend, a VietNam vet Ranger captain who commanded an armored company who is rooting for the Ukranians because Putin BAD , I have tried to tell him the leaders are corrupt and the nazis run the military..he just says "we shall see". I have told him "when you see I was right all along, I don't expect an apology but I do expect acknowledgement.. His world view is set in stone and truth doesn't make a dent..
Theres a lot of Gen Xers around my age that grew up in the 70s, lived through the Carter malaise and cast their first votes for Reagan who are 100% Trump, but still think of Russia as the evil empire of the Soviet days. A guy that has worked for me off and on for the last 37 years is one of them. He voted Trump, sees the evil in just about every other way but Russia is a blindspot.
I can't 100% blame him. For many decades, the Soviet Union was our deadly enemy, and this was drummed into the heads of several American generations. To the extent that even after the communist Soviet regime is long gone, many of them can't stop thinking "Russia = Bad!"
To mengderen Putin is not the boogie man show your VietNam vet Ranger captain who commanded an armored company this it’s Ukraine president thirty seconds long https://twitter.com/Thekeksociety/status/1679287817606774786
If they have any success it will prove to me that there are American contractors operating them.
This should be intetesting. I hope they sent the "export" version of the M1... If not, we just gave the Russians an example of how to build the best armor plating in the world.
were all the tanks captured by isis in iraq destroyed? or did they sell some to the chinese or russians? btw, m1a1 and m1a2 are the export versions. I wonder how many the soudi's lost in yemen that might have been captured and sold? did the soudi's even sell any directly to russia now? the wold is a shitshow now.
There were never any American tanks destroyed by enemy fire. There were "mobility kills" that we then intentionally destroyed to prevent the enemy from getting intelligence from them, but they were all later recovered, recycled, rebuilt, and recommissioned. There were also friendly fires kills, that we later rebuilt.
The M1 is one of the most deadly tanks ever built and has proven by combat to be the most survivable tank in history.
Biden sending them to Ukraine is treason.
The Kornets wait for them, they wait and will see how they cope.
Which the USA took from the British.
I’m sure Putin knows it’s the US government criminals doing this and he won’t attack the innocent US citizens.
Agreed. Putin knows what's up. He knows that US Citizens didn't really actually VOTE for the majority of their government!
We must hope this.
The Avco-Lycoming AGT1500 is a gas turbine engine. It is the main powerplant of the M1 Abrams series of tanks.
Engine output peaks at 1,500 hp (1,100 kW), with 2,750 lb⋅ft (3,730 N⋅m) of torque at that peak,[2] which occurs at 3,000 rpm.[3] The turbine can provide torque in excess of 667 lb⋅ft (904 N⋅m) at significantly lower RPMs. The engine weighs approximately 2,500 lb (1,100 kg) and occupies a volume of 40 cu ft (1.1 m3), measuring 63 in × 40 in × 28 in (1,600 mm × 1,020 mm × 710 mm).[4]
The engine can use a variety of fuels, including jet fuel, gasoline, diesel and marine diesel.[2]
The engine is a three-shaft machine composed of five sub-modules:[4]
Recuperator – a fixed cylindrical regenerative heat exchanger that extracts waste heat from the exhaust gases and uses it to preheat the compressed air Rotating Gas Producer – the five-stage, dual-spool compressor which achieves a 14.5:1 compression ratio at full power, driven by the compressor turbine, which operates with a maximum turbine inlet temperature of 2,180 °F (1,190 °C) Accessory Gearbox – bevel gears that extract 35 to 100 hp (26 to 75 kW) from the high-pressure spool to operate the fuel control unit, starter, oil pump, and vehicle hydraulic pump Power Turbines – the first stage of the two-stage power turbine is driven by a variable-geometry nozzle to improve efficiency Reduction Gearbox – reduces power turboshaft speed.
Source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avco-Lycoming_AGT1500
All the above to be maintained by 40 to 50 yr old draftees with no background in heavy tanks while being lit up by Russians who zap them anytime they organize too close together this tanks motor pool will have it pretty bad as bad as the tank itself when KA-52's show up.
What a waste of a semi decent tanks.
The thermal signature can be seen from Moscow.
Must have a free turbine in that case.
Their engines are so hot they light up like spotlights to Russian radar. I think, "killing fish in a barrel" is the appropriate term. They won't last a day. A total waist of money.
The good armor was stripped off of these tanks so the Russians are going to kill them just as quick as they did everything they have encountered before.
the russians need to post video of every abrams they take out or capture now so we can see how effective the ukrains are
I see dead tanks,,,everywhere....
Is this potentially related to Kim Dotcom’s tweet?
https://patriots.win/p/17sPB91vj3/they-wont-stop-until-ww3--covid-/c
If so, the 2024 hype we’ve all been expecting could be kicking into high gear really soon.
Assholes giving away our military equipment to other assholes
The tanks won’t last long. Heat signature is a biatch. So sad for the loss of life to come.
GHiving away our armament and wepons that are meant for our protection is treason…. And we all know the punishment for treason…
Same script as Vietnam.
"We're just sending some funds to South Vietnam."
"Now we're just sending some arms to South Vietnam."
"Ok, now we're just sending a few troops to train them."
"Uh oh, the communists just attacked our ship in the Gulf of Tonkin even though we have no proof. Now we need to draft tens of thousands of young men against their will to die in this endless quagmire."
The good guys need to do better.
Ten seconds after the production of the Abrams was announced, the Russians assigned a team of scientists to figure out how to take it out. This is now old technology.
I think they sent the TANKS, Ammo, Guns as traceable items to see the current network of arms smuggling.
NATO already has an army in waiting and this is just a way of them slowly rolling it out under the guise of having it donated NOW as opposed to them stockpiling these for years.
WW3 will begin before the next election, or at least Inauguration Day
They will be destroyed by our own javelins or captured by Russia.