I often wondered how an incorporated municipality (town or city) can arbitrarily create "ordinances" and then legally enforce them.
Incorporated Municiple ordinances are not law even if they read the same as a state statute.
An ordinance might read, if the grass on a lawn within the Town limits exceeds 6 inches in growth, the renter or owner of said property will be subject to a fine of $500 and $59 a day until the lawn is maintained according to City ordinance 173.2.
I understand that as a resident or a traveler within any one of the 50 states of the union that that person is subject to the Constitution of that State and its statutes, which where duly written, debated on and voted in by the "Law Makers" we call Congressmen and Senators. But a corporately owned territory, with it's own privately owned enforcement units, have no Constitutional basis for arrest, detainment, issuance of fines or confiscation of property.
The only constitutionally provided "Statute" Enforcement agency within any given state is the County Sheriff and his deputies. Sheriff is an office of the state that lies directly under the Governor. Each county within a state has one top dog and that is Sheriff, an office that is decided by the voters of said county.
Someone please explain to me how this tyranny of corporately owned cops in every village, enforcing corporate ordinances, is allowed by the real courts and tolerated by "we the people"!
All voluntary and unenforceable, but now also litigatable as civil fraud with 203x statutory damages [3x actual, 200x punitive] with personal liabilty (no immunity) for employee issuing fine. Bad news is you have to pay the fine as coerced theft (extortion under duress) to have Federal District Court standing per Part3 of SCOTUS standing test for “actual damages” rather “theoretical damages”. [Lujen v Defenders of Wildlife (1992): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujan_v._Defenders_of_Wildlife]
Alternatively, ignore and goad dumb municipal people into taking actions against you while you record everything for later litigation. Issue “notice of liabilty” with affidavit of action (time, date, location, action, individual) via certified mail after each action to build papertrail.
ok, a month or so back I got pulled over for not having an up-to-date sticker on my license plate. Some low life stole it off my license plate and the cop said he could not find my registry in his computer.
I went to the DMV and they said I was good thru 2025 and gave me a new sticker and then charged me 7 bucks for a print-out that i could take to court which proved my registration was valid.
I went to the false court where the "judge" was also the prosecutor, and I provided my proof of innocence. She said she would vacate the charges but I would still have to pay $48 in court costs within 30 days or I would be found guilty and the full fine would be imposed.
I thought this was bullshit but I paid it just to make it go away, fighting over 50 bucks out of principle would cost me more in time and aggravation than the worth of a bit of fiat currency.
If I hear you correctly, are you saying I have standing under Federal court to make that pseudo judge personally liable for $146 actual and $9600 in punitive damages?
If I hear you correctly, are you saying I have standing under Federal court to make that pseudo judge personally liable for $146 actual and $9600 in punitive damages?
Yes. This appears to be lawfully and Constitutionally correct if you can get a Federal Judge and sheriff to actually enforce the LAW. Problem is that all Obama-appointed Federal judges have no oaths so they cannot be charged with treason, intentionally, only fraud. They are intentionally violating the Constitution and not enforcing the LAW, but do not wish to be executed for treason.
State courts are all corporate courts and you may have waived Const rights via “user agreement” with DMV corporation when you registered which is also unconstitutional. Fed courts are still reluctant to intervene within states and enforce sovereign authority. 7-1-24 stripping of immunity for “unofficial acts” of Executive Branch (Article II) flows down to local city corps. City corp and county corp owned by state corp domiciled in DC. State corps owned by US Treasury which is under Executive Branch.
“Unofficial act” is any act that is based on a nonlaw or is unconstitutional. On 6-28-24 Chevron doctrine strikedown made ~95% of all Federal rules and regulations unlawful as well as all “admin courts” unlawful per violation of sep of powers (reinforced on 6-27-24 Jarkesy ruling, see W. Virginia v EPA 2022?). Federal courts are still formerly defining “official acts” vs “unofficial acts” due to newness of ruling, but likely to be “all things not laws” are “unofficial”.
You could sue ProSe ($405 filing fee) and argue that the court is “administrative Article II court” that is unlawful and judge has no immunity per 7-1 SCOTUS. If you hire a lawyer it likely will cost $10k and looks 50/50 unless you issue “30 day notice of liabilty” via certified mail to judge demanding refund and stripping judge of “intent defense”.
Man, I have got to get my mind wrapped around this stuff.
I understand fragments of it and parts of the general concept, but it seems like something that needs to be known and understood well before trying to wade into the waters..
I’m a bit sad that Dave Jose was teaching this four years ago, and I knew about him then, but didn’t know he was teaching it.
I wish I had deep enough pockets to do it, just to be an ass and start a precedence.
I'm still confused as to what court I would file this with, which Federal court would even hear a case on civil fraud and extortion under duress with the 203x statutory damages, is that Federal Statute and if so, which court would even hear such a case?
Yes. I believe it is Fed civil fraud statute I don’t know the number. You would file in Federal District Court that has jurisdiction over where violation occurred. Courts have ruled previously that maximum civil fraud penalty permitted is 3x actual, 200x punitive; i don’t know citation on that at the moment. It appears to be established precedent and possibly is in statute now.
You have to show in filings/arguements:
Standing
Jurisdiction-ref statute/affidavit
Violation with No Immunity-signed affidavit, Notice of Liability, ref 7-1 SCOTUS ruling on Trump immunity
Claimed damages-receipt of paid fine
Remedy-request 3x actual 200x punitive; Motion for summary judgment with remedy once above all done and Defendants motions to dismiss are defeated
Good luck. We are all getting a LAW education now. Sometimes the best education is self-acquired by doing your own filings and litigation and figuring it out as you go. Relatively low cost LAW education without a lawyer by doing it yourself (ProSe, for yourself), but it may take 3-4 cases before you win one.
She said she would vacate the charges but I would still have to pay $48 in court costs within 30 days or I would be found guilty and the full fine would be imposed.
Sounds like criminal extortion to me. Why would you be innocent unless you fail to pay? You're either innocent or you aren't.
She was basically saying, fine, you have proof of your innocence but if you don't pay half the fine, I'll find you guilty and charge you more than double what I'm extorting out of you today.
By people placing themselves, albeit unintentionally by tacit agreement to the Stat’s deception, in corporate jurisdiction. Claiming to be a person, resident, individual, Citizen, or other associated legal term, other than a living soul, along with the contracts you sign, put you in corporate jurisdiction. This is a very high level general description. The deception goes much deeper and removing yourself from corporate jurisdiction requires more than just you deciding and verbally stating such.
Keep in mind that a living soul cannot legally contract with a fictitious entity such as a corporation so we are deceived into accepting corporate status and living as one. This is the corporate legal system that our founding fathers fought to escape from. That is why privacy was so important to them.
Interesting view. Would you say you are now blinded to the facts on the ground?
I will pose this question: what is greater: that what is made or the maker?
I will also answer from your own book of faith:
Woe [to] him who is striving with his Former | (A potsherd with potsherds of the ground!) Does clay say to its Framer, What [are] you doing? And your work, He has no hands?
Does the potter not have authority over the clay, out of the same lump to make one vessel to honor and one to dishonor?
WHO made the USA? Clearly, it is THE PEOPLE. And therefor, with regards to the USA, The People are The Sovereign. Hence, the basis on which the USA is formed and framed (Constitution): 18 USC 241/242.
You are the Sovereign of your life. Your choices.....
Within this delegated jurisdiction, we are capable of sovereignty if we choose to claim it.
David was acknowledged as a king.
Is there something fundamentally different between him and we short of his willingness to subject himself to those responsibilities?
What makes a king (sovereign) a king?
How is God King of Kings if there are no sovereigns?
If there are sovereigns, and they just can’t be us, why are we not able to be kings when Revelation 1:6 says we are a nation of kings and priests?
What’s the missing context there?
I’m not a fan of the “name it and claim it” mindset - to my mind, it’s a false teaching -, but this is one area where it seems applicable in a more literal sense.
I said this at church last weekend, WE are the sovereigns, citing Revelation 1:6, and was met with responses of “we are NOT kings” and Matthew 22:21 and “you OWE that income tax” - no I don’t! I did not intentionally contract with these people, I do not owe tribute to SATANISTS, and they did not perform any service for me that I wanted or asked for.
HALLELUYAH!!
WE ARE SOVEREIGNS, WAKE UP!!!
Looks like we need to be listening to more Dave Jose, too. Have seen him pop up here and there, but didn’t know what he spoke about outside of those interviews.
I did eventually, but all I was saying is the link I clicked on further down the thread didn’t work….for me….which may have been taken differently than I had meant it to be.
Short version. The SC is going to crack down on the administrative state courts where they are judge and prosecutor.
He has a new book out. Likely a good read.
Did overturning the Chevron Deference take care of this type of overreach?
I think so... I was thinking the same thing.
I often wondered how an incorporated municipality (town or city) can arbitrarily create "ordinances" and then legally enforce them.
Incorporated Municiple ordinances are not law even if they read the same as a state statute.
An ordinance might read, if the grass on a lawn within the Town limits exceeds 6 inches in growth, the renter or owner of said property will be subject to a fine of $500 and $59 a day until the lawn is maintained according to City ordinance 173.2.
I understand that as a resident or a traveler within any one of the 50 states of the union that that person is subject to the Constitution of that State and its statutes, which where duly written, debated on and voted in by the "Law Makers" we call Congressmen and Senators. But a corporately owned territory, with it's own privately owned enforcement units, have no Constitutional basis for arrest, detainment, issuance of fines or confiscation of property.
The only constitutionally provided "Statute" Enforcement agency within any given state is the County Sheriff and his deputies. Sheriff is an office of the state that lies directly under the Governor. Each county within a state has one top dog and that is Sheriff, an office that is decided by the voters of said county.
Someone please explain to me how this tyranny of corporately owned cops in every village, enforcing corporate ordinances, is allowed by the real courts and tolerated by "we the people"!
All voluntary and unenforceable, but now also litigatable as civil fraud with 203x statutory damages [3x actual, 200x punitive] with personal liabilty (no immunity) for employee issuing fine. Bad news is you have to pay the fine as coerced theft (extortion under duress) to have Federal District Court standing per Part3 of SCOTUS standing test for “actual damages” rather “theoretical damages”. [Lujen v Defenders of Wildlife (1992): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujan_v._Defenders_of_Wildlife]
Alternatively, ignore and goad dumb municipal people into taking actions against you while you record everything for later litigation. Issue “notice of liabilty” with affidavit of action (time, date, location, action, individual) via certified mail after each action to build papertrail.
ok, a month or so back I got pulled over for not having an up-to-date sticker on my license plate. Some low life stole it off my license plate and the cop said he could not find my registry in his computer.
I went to the DMV and they said I was good thru 2025 and gave me a new sticker and then charged me 7 bucks for a print-out that i could take to court which proved my registration was valid.
I went to the false court where the "judge" was also the prosecutor, and I provided my proof of innocence. She said she would vacate the charges but I would still have to pay $48 in court costs within 30 days or I would be found guilty and the full fine would be imposed.
I thought this was bullshit but I paid it just to make it go away, fighting over 50 bucks out of principle would cost me more in time and aggravation than the worth of a bit of fiat currency.
If I hear you correctly, are you saying I have standing under Federal court to make that pseudo judge personally liable for $146 actual and $9600 in punitive damages?
Yes. This appears to be lawfully and Constitutionally correct if you can get a Federal Judge and sheriff to actually enforce the LAW. Problem is that all Obama-appointed Federal judges have no oaths so they cannot be charged with treason, intentionally, only fraud. They are intentionally violating the Constitution and not enforcing the LAW, but do not wish to be executed for treason.
State courts are all corporate courts and you may have waived Const rights via “user agreement” with DMV corporation when you registered which is also unconstitutional. Fed courts are still reluctant to intervene within states and enforce sovereign authority. 7-1-24 stripping of immunity for “unofficial acts” of Executive Branch (Article II) flows down to local city corps. City corp and county corp owned by state corp domiciled in DC. State corps owned by US Treasury which is under Executive Branch.
“Unofficial act” is any act that is based on a nonlaw or is unconstitutional. On 6-28-24 Chevron doctrine strikedown made ~95% of all Federal rules and regulations unlawful as well as all “admin courts” unlawful per violation of sep of powers (reinforced on 6-27-24 Jarkesy ruling, see W. Virginia v EPA 2022?). Federal courts are still formerly defining “official acts” vs “unofficial acts” due to newness of ruling, but likely to be “all things not laws” are “unofficial”.
https://www.ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-the-scope-of-administrative-proceedings
You could sue ProSe ($405 filing fee) and argue that the court is “administrative Article II court” that is unlawful and judge has no immunity per 7-1 SCOTUS. If you hire a lawyer it likely will cost $10k and looks 50/50 unless you issue “30 day notice of liabilty” via certified mail to judge demanding refund and stripping judge of “intent defense”.
Sort of like how Obama messed up the oath then retook it in private, allegedly.
Man, I have got to get my mind wrapped around this stuff.
I understand fragments of it and parts of the general concept, but it seems like something that needs to be known and understood well before trying to wade into the waters..
I’m a bit sad that Dave Jose was teaching this four years ago, and I knew about him then, but didn’t know he was teaching it.
I wish I had deep enough pockets to do it, just to be an ass and start a precedence.
I'm still confused as to what court I would file this with, which Federal court would even hear a case on civil fraud and extortion under duress with the 203x statutory damages, is that Federal Statute and if so, which court would even hear such a case?
Yes. I believe it is Fed civil fraud statute I don’t know the number. You would file in Federal District Court that has jurisdiction over where violation occurred. Courts have ruled previously that maximum civil fraud penalty permitted is 3x actual, 200x punitive; i don’t know citation on that at the moment. It appears to be established precedent and possibly is in statute now.
You have to show in filings/arguements:
Standing
Jurisdiction-ref statute/affidavit
Violation with No Immunity-signed affidavit, Notice of Liability, ref 7-1 SCOTUS ruling on Trump immunity
Claimed damages-receipt of paid fine
Remedy-request 3x actual 200x punitive; Motion for summary judgment with remedy once above all done and Defendants motions to dismiss are defeated
Thank you very much. Very enlightening.
Good luck. We are all getting a LAW education now. Sometimes the best education is self-acquired by doing your own filings and litigation and figuring it out as you go. Relatively low cost LAW education without a lawyer by doing it yourself (ProSe, for yourself), but it may take 3-4 cases before you win one.
Sounds like criminal extortion to me. Why would you be innocent unless you fail to pay? You're either innocent or you aren't.
It is flagrant criminal extortion.
She was basically saying, fine, you have proof of your innocence but if you don't pay half the fine, I'll find you guilty and charge you more than double what I'm extorting out of you today.
It's not tolerated by the likes of us but you are proving how corrupt our courts are with your questions...
It’s still tolerated by the likes of me who is trying to figure out how to switch modes of operation!
I’m intolerant of the concept of it, though.
By people placing themselves, albeit unintentionally by tacit agreement to the Stat’s deception, in corporate jurisdiction. Claiming to be a person, resident, individual, Citizen, or other associated legal term, other than a living soul, along with the contracts you sign, put you in corporate jurisdiction. This is a very high level general description. The deception goes much deeper and removing yourself from corporate jurisdiction requires more than just you deciding and verbally stating such.
Keep in mind that a living soul cannot legally contract with a fictitious entity such as a corporation so we are deceived into accepting corporate status and living as one. This is the corporate legal system that our founding fathers fought to escape from. That is why privacy was so important to them.
It's like being in an HOA without our consent.
Eddie Craig has interesting thoughts on ordinances:
https://tao-of-law.com/2016/03/16/state-constitutions-vs-ordinances-who-has-the-legitimate-power-to-make-binding-public-law-in-your-republic/
An old video of then House Rep. Trey Gowdy grilling an Aministrative Law Judge from the Social Security Administration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1KDu94FbiM
"You may be a judge, but you're not God."
PS. I always wonder what led him to give up his career, along with Bob Goodlatte. (From Q Post 2451 & 2453)
Me, too!! I trusted and held Gowdy in high esteem... praying he's working behind the scenes and not compromised.
We are not sovereign.
We are fallen mortal people.
God is Sovereign.
Interesting view. Would you say you are now blinded to the facts on the ground?
I will pose this question: what is greater: that what is made or the maker?
I will also answer from your own book of faith:
WHO made the USA? Clearly, it is THE PEOPLE. And therefor, with regards to the USA, The People are The Sovereign. Hence, the basis on which the USA is formed and framed (Constitution): 18 USC 241/242.
You are the Sovereign of your life. Your choices.....
God is the King of Kings.
Sovereignty is subject to jurisdiction.
God’s jurisdiction is the highest.
Within this delegated jurisdiction, we are capable of sovereignty if we choose to claim it.
David was acknowledged as a king.
Is there something fundamentally different between him and we short of his willingness to subject himself to those responsibilities?
What makes a king (sovereign) a king?
How is God King of Kings if there are no sovereigns?
If there are sovereigns, and they just can’t be us, why are we not able to be kings when Revelation 1:6 says we are a nation of kings and priests?
What’s the missing context there?
I’m not a fan of the “name it and claim it” mindset - to my mind, it’s a false teaching -, but this is one area where it seems applicable in a more literal sense.
The Founding Fathers never called us sovereign.
We The People are sovereign.
But US citizens are not We The People.
You have to change your civil status to American State National/State Citizen in order to be part of We The People.
If we gave them authority, and their authority is admittedly delegated, then who is the sovereign in america?
Who “delegates/grants authority”, the king or the subject?
This might kill off HOAs! Wouldn't that be a hoot.
I said this at church last weekend, WE are the sovereigns, citing Revelation 1:6, and was met with responses of “we are NOT kings” and Matthew 22:21 and “you OWE that income tax” - no I don’t! I did not intentionally contract with these people, I do not owe tribute to SATANISTS, and they did not perform any service for me that I wanted or asked for.
HALLELUYAH!!
WE ARE SOVEREIGNS, WAKE UP!!!
Looks like we need to be listening to more Dave Jose, too. Have seen him pop up here and there, but didn’t know what he spoke about outside of those interviews.
https://twstalker.com/TheRubberDuck79/status/1823915094092165361
Wtf?
No you didnt. It's a direct twitter link.
Sure Jan….
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39753049
Could it be my old iPad glitching?, but for you to say my device did not do something…wow you are omnipotent….
Joys1Daughter [S] 3 points 9 hours ago +3 / -0 https://twstalker.com/TheRubberDuck79/status/1823915094092165361
The second time I clicked on it …it sent me to Amazon…weird.
thanks for the snark though.
Ok so you're talking about twstalker, not the OP link direct to twitter. No idea about twstalker as I never use it.
First ive heard of any issues with Twstalker.
I doubt you will come to any harm clicking twstalker links, perhaps a mild case of monkeypox.
But seriously, if you think it's a dodgy site then show people more proof.
lol….I just posted what I found….as someone suggested maybe I need a better ad blocker.
Yes you should always use a pop up blocker.
Why don't you just use the OP link which takes you directly to twitter?
I did eventually, but all I was saying is the link I clicked on further down the thread didn’t work….for me….which may have been taken differently than I had meant it to be.
All good. Your original comment wasn't replying to the twstalker link.
You were telling anons not to click on the twitter link, which made zero sense.
Damn. Whatever happened to Dave José anyway?