Government operations aside, I'm of the opinion that working remotely should be the norm and the 40 hour work week is now stupid.
We're doing 3x the amount of productivity for less pay despite an insane amount of automation, and digitization, all so we can sell to the globe and consume.
It is amazing watching people defend 40+ hour work weeks, and being forced into the office (while the exec team does whatever the fuck it wants) almost for no other reason that it's become a habit "we've alwaysdone it this way".
I agree. I've worked remotely for quite a long time and have always been more productive. I also noticed one year I added less than 1000 miles on my car that year so I saved a TON of gas. Great benefit.
However - these government workers are not like us. Some of them actually have other jobs they work instead of doing their government work, so they are getting paid for 2 full-time jobs but only working the 1 non-government job.
I'd be ok with them having 2 or even 3 days for WFH, but those days would have to be the days they have the long meetings the govt likes to have. Make them attend on video, and sprinkle some random, unannounced meetings in as well to make sure they are actually at home working. The govt won't do that either, probably because the managers are also slacking off doing nothing.
I'm government and work frome home. I hate driving into work. I do 12 hrs days. No I'm no slouch, yeah I see others that suck, but the problem is, unless they automate a lot of things, they won't be able to get the cuts they want. It's just too big.
You can also say let's cut the military too, but most of yall would be up in arms, or the post office, or calling into the irs for "where's my refund check" I think alot of yall see way more state government workers slacking than you do the feds.
Should there be cuts, yes. But the politicians should get the cuts first, then have it all trickle down. Biggest budget spending is interest, health and defense. It ain't no fed employee standing around doing nothing.
Yeah yeah, you fed, and? I applied and got the job, private sector didn't hire me when I got got my finance and accounting degree so I went for government. Beats working minimum wage at some bs job just to get by. You do what you must. So yall want cuts but we have lives too and none of us want to have our jobs taken away and I'm sure there's a bunch of fed and state workers on the board as well.
With today’s communication technology and computer monitoring software there is absolutely reason for anyone with a desk job to report somewhere other than a desk in their own house. Period!
Teleworking benefits all of society, not just the lone teleworker. So much time, money, and all around resources are saved it’s ridiculous to expect people to continue to line up on the highway to get “to work” nowadays.
The instances of telework abuse are far more manageable and avoidable than the waste involved in everyone “reporting to work”.
Management’s failure to enforce any kind of rule has nothing to do with why telework is beneficial. Time management is problem in the office as well. It is a management problem. Not a telework problem.
I'm not here to put you down, but 40 hour work weeks aren't likely to change and the simple reason is just... It can't.
If you reduce the hours, you'll get paid less and they'll hire on a second person to handle the other hours. So now you double the hired force, sure, but they're also going to end up being paid substantially lower wages.
As for return to office on the government side, it is 100% a bypass against their efforts to stop them from firing a large number of people. That is the primary focus.
From a private company point of view, it is useful for several reasons:
Testing loyalty / investment of your employees.
Simplifies security.
It ensures that they're not just furnishing your home with furniture.
For point #3, we saw a good number of people crying that they had to return the standing desks to the company who paid for it. In normal office work, that desk could be reused. In remote work, that desk is now difficult to ship back.
I don't see anything wrong with that either. The company is paying for the desk, it is their property and not yours.
There are other reasons too, but these are pretty important ones to smaller companies.
I've worked remotely for quite a while, and this is why I beg to disagree. When you work with a functional team, you teach the less experienced, your team works as a team - functioning at a higher level than the parts.
My team has been back to work since the COVID rules relaxed, and the shape of our programs is appalling. A lot of people have retired in the last few years, and with no one to train them, they have had to depend on online training, the number of corrections we have had to make, and I mean very basic and costly mistakes far outweighs any perceivable benefit.
One positive thing that has happened, is our ability to work from home, means that when winter weather makes commuting to work dangerous; we can meet virtually. When someone is sick, they can still (voluntarily) do some work at home.
But, as a whole - this has been a net negative. To paraphrase Musk "they can pretend to work elsewhere".
What proof is there that these people are actually working? Their "word"? Since when is anything a woke government employee tells you trustworthy?
Is it necessary to work a 40 hour week? Actually, having run my husband's office for a number of years -- I can tell you that often 40 hours isn't enough to have things run smoothly. That's when you pay overtime.
40 hour work weeks are the convention and only with this generation is there whining about the "lack of free time". Boo Hoo. It's part of being an adult. If you want full time wages you work full time. If you want "free time" -- work a part time job. But don't expect to be paid full time wages for sitting on your duff half the day.
People like Elon Musk is why we have a 40 hours work week. He works very hard to get rich and make a different. Normal people just want to survive and raise a family.
He's the type that would make folks work 120 hours a week for peanuts an hour, with promises of a few thousands RSUs 4 years from now. And won't give two shits if you balk at the offer.
Talk about a welfare state! America is more socialist than any of us really knew. Time to end the endless parasite leaching of our country's productivity and resources.
No one should work 40 hours a week except maybe first year hires.
Then you SHOULD be earning holidays, vacation days, personal days, sick days that lower your average working hours over the year while increasing your pay.
By year 20 or 25 at any job you should be working a clean 26 hours a week and be grandfathered into having almost whatever you want off. 4 weeks of vacation a year or more. 4 weeks of sick leave. 3 weeks of personal days.
If you've been there 30 years you should be working about half the time and just showing up more as a favor than an obligation.
United States Postal Workers do not work from home. They actually have to go to a building and do the job, lest the mail does not move. That's a lot of federal employees still working, so I wonder if this 1% figure is a little off.
Ok, I'll give you DC, but the rest of the govt employees in the rest of the US actually work. Yes, there are a few lowlifes that scam their way through life but not that many.
Hah. I am still suffering endless downvotes from "Geralt" on Patriots for suggesting that he is personally biased for not wanting return to office to happen.
He keeps insisting that all of the "competent" people will quit and only "incompetent blacks" will come in.
Doesn't seem to grasp that the point of that is to trim the fat and bypass the whole "ree can't fire people from federal government" BS that they keep trying to pull from their asses.
Government is millions of pounds overweight and it's time to perform liposuction.
No wonder why its easier to get a pound of meth delivered to your house with a Uber driver than getting hold of someone at the Social Security services (Satire)
Bull! Having worked at SSA in Customer service, the reason you have long wait times are because the chronically unemployed leaches on the system call every friggen day and multiple times a day just for the hell of it if they don't get what they want
Didn't the c19 bs pretty much prove how non-essential most if the entire workforce really was?
Think about it... very few companies were open for a long time... including manufacturing. As someone who serviced machines that made PPE, I saw this first hand. You ain't takin a mcpiss...pack a cooler. You're on your own.
Every single company out there has a huge amount of dead weight...govt included.
Part if the great awakening is going to be cutting the bullshit and getting real about work...two incomes to survive is bullshit. Wages haven't increased in decades.
I doubt that. I worked for SSA I was not security or maintenance, customer service and we showed up every day. Now you can work from home one or two days a week and whenever the weather is bad, which limits people getting paid to sit home on snow days and do nothing!
94% can be fired day 1. Easy peasy.
Yup. And we wouldn’t even notice they were fired since they’re never around anyway.
Just stop paying them. No fuss no trouble.
The Office ,CLASSIC MOVIE ,"Someone stole my Stapler".mumbles "I'll Burn the place down".lol
Office Space?
Lmao CLASSIC GeorgeMcPottyMouth
That was a great flick!
Stop paying, close the department, leave them active w/no hours.
Smoke these guys
A new world is coming and work culture will finally evolve beyond 1926.
Government operations aside, I'm of the opinion that working remotely should be the norm and the 40 hour work week is now stupid.
We're doing 3x the amount of productivity for less pay despite an insane amount of automation, and digitization, all so we can sell to the globe and consume.
It is amazing watching people defend 40+ hour work weeks, and being forced into the office (while the exec team does whatever the fuck it wants) almost for no other reason that it's become a habit "we've alwaysdone it this way".
I hope people wake up to that fact.
I agree. I've worked remotely for quite a long time and have always been more productive. I also noticed one year I added less than 1000 miles on my car that year so I saved a TON of gas. Great benefit.
However - these government workers are not like us. Some of them actually have other jobs they work instead of doing their government work, so they are getting paid for 2 full-time jobs but only working the 1 non-government job.
I'd be ok with them having 2 or even 3 days for WFH, but those days would have to be the days they have the long meetings the govt likes to have. Make them attend on video, and sprinkle some random, unannounced meetings in as well to make sure they are actually at home working. The govt won't do that either, probably because the managers are also slacking off doing nothing.
I'm government and work frome home. I hate driving into work. I do 12 hrs days. No I'm no slouch, yeah I see others that suck, but the problem is, unless they automate a lot of things, they won't be able to get the cuts they want. It's just too big.
You can also say let's cut the military too, but most of yall would be up in arms, or the post office, or calling into the irs for "where's my refund check" I think alot of yall see way more state government workers slacking than you do the feds.
Should there be cuts, yes. But the politicians should get the cuts first, then have it all trickle down. Biggest budget spending is interest, health and defense. It ain't no fed employee standing around doing nothing.
Yeah yeah, you fed, and? I applied and got the job, private sector didn't hire me when I got got my finance and accounting degree so I went for government. Beats working minimum wage at some bs job just to get by. You do what you must. So yall want cuts but we have lives too and none of us want to have our jobs taken away and I'm sure there's a bunch of fed and state workers on the board as well.
You won't really find many bleeding hearts for the over inflated government.
Jobs will be lost. That has to happen. It sucks. The government should not be a top employer. That is where we are though.
Social security administration alone is ridiculously inflated and that is one section.
Sorry I doubt you are doing 3x the work since 2010.
Just look up any workers compensation vs. Wages graph. We get paid less, yet have way more worker output.
Not sure where you got 2010 from.
With today’s communication technology and computer monitoring software there is absolutely reason for anyone with a desk job to report somewhere other than a desk in their own house. Period!
Teleworking benefits all of society, not just the lone teleworker. So much time, money, and all around resources are saved it’s ridiculous to expect people to continue to line up on the highway to get “to work” nowadays.
The instances of telework abuse are far more manageable and avoidable than the waste involved in everyone “reporting to work”.
Except management rarely deals with abuse of time management.
Management’s failure to enforce any kind of rule has nothing to do with why telework is beneficial. Time management is problem in the office as well. It is a management problem. Not a telework problem.
I'm not here to put you down, but 40 hour work weeks aren't likely to change and the simple reason is just... It can't.
If you reduce the hours, you'll get paid less and they'll hire on a second person to handle the other hours. So now you double the hired force, sure, but they're also going to end up being paid substantially lower wages.
As for return to office on the government side, it is 100% a bypass against their efforts to stop them from firing a large number of people. That is the primary focus.
From a private company point of view, it is useful for several reasons:
Testing loyalty / investment of your employees.
Simplifies security.
It ensures that they're not just furnishing your home with furniture.
For point #3, we saw a good number of people crying that they had to return the standing desks to the company who paid for it. In normal office work, that desk could be reused. In remote work, that desk is now difficult to ship back.
I don't see anything wrong with that either. The company is paying for the desk, it is their property and not yours.
There are other reasons too, but these are pretty important ones to smaller companies.
Totally agree.
That only works in some work environments.Blue collar still needs to be on the job. Which is a large portion of the workforce still.
I've worked remotely for quite a while, and this is why I beg to disagree. When you work with a functional team, you teach the less experienced, your team works as a team - functioning at a higher level than the parts.
My team has been back to work since the COVID rules relaxed, and the shape of our programs is appalling. A lot of people have retired in the last few years, and with no one to train them, they have had to depend on online training, the number of corrections we have had to make, and I mean very basic and costly mistakes far outweighs any perceivable benefit.
One positive thing that has happened, is our ability to work from home, means that when winter weather makes commuting to work dangerous; we can meet virtually. When someone is sick, they can still (voluntarily) do some work at home.
But, as a whole - this has been a net negative. To paraphrase Musk "they can pretend to work elsewhere".
Amen! you laid it out well. Work from home is a total negative overall. The only good point is that snow days are no longer a day off without work.
What proof is there that these people are actually working? Their "word"? Since when is anything a woke government employee tells you trustworthy?
Is it necessary to work a 40 hour week? Actually, having run my husband's office for a number of years -- I can tell you that often 40 hours isn't enough to have things run smoothly. That's when you pay overtime.
40 hour work weeks are the convention and only with this generation is there whining about the "lack of free time". Boo Hoo. It's part of being an adult. If you want full time wages you work full time. If you want "free time" -- work a part time job. But don't expect to be paid full time wages for sitting on your duff half the day.
Sorry to be rude about it.
Sincerely,
Ex Office Manager
People like Elon Musk is why we have a 40 hours work week. He works very hard to get rich and make a different. Normal people just want to survive and raise a family.
He's the type that would make folks work 120 hours a week for peanuts an hour, with promises of a few thousands RSUs 4 years from now. And won't give two shits if you balk at the offer.
Verifying that everything can be done without them. Private sector 100% more efficient
Talk about a welfare state! America is more socialist than any of us really knew. Time to end the endless parasite leaching of our country's productivity and resources.
Imagine when Elon actually starts working.
He's lying about one of these things and it isn't his Diablo 4 prowess, that's public information.
incompetency is their game
https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/us-news/only-6-of-federal-workers-show-up-in-person-on-a-full-time-basis-scathing-senate-report-reveals/
I wonder how many of these are fake people. I struggle to believe some of this isnt old school embezzlement.
Most jobs dont need in person work
Most OFFICE jobs don't need in person work. U can't run a CNC from home or drive a truck or a million other jobs us peasants do.
Most government jobs are office jobs
That's ok - Hotez has another few pandemics lined up to keep them on remote status. Starting Jan 21st.
No one should work 40 hours a week except maybe first year hires.
Then you SHOULD be earning holidays, vacation days, personal days, sick days that lower your average working hours over the year while increasing your pay.
By year 20 or 25 at any job you should be working a clean 26 hours a week and be grandfathered into having almost whatever you want off. 4 weeks of vacation a year or more. 4 weeks of sick leave. 3 weeks of personal days.
If you've been there 30 years you should be working about half the time and just showing up more as a favor than an obligation.
United States Postal Workers do not work from home. They actually have to go to a building and do the job, lest the mail does not move. That's a lot of federal employees still working, so I wonder if this 1% figure is a little off.
The report is specifically talking about DC. All those government buildings are basically empty.
And still heated and air conditioned and all the lights are on.
Ok, I'll give you DC, but the rest of the govt employees in the rest of the US actually work. Yes, there are a few lowlifes that scam their way through life but not that many.
Anyone that has direct contact with the public should be in the office, full time.
Some can work remote but should still be required to be in office at least 2 days a week.
One hundred remote work tends to lead to workers slacking off.
I was an IT supervisor during the BS Covid lockdowns so I have experience with this stuff.
Hah. I am still suffering endless downvotes from "Geralt" on Patriots for suggesting that he is personally biased for not wanting return to office to happen.
He keeps insisting that all of the "competent" people will quit and only "incompetent blacks" will come in.
Doesn't seem to grasp that the point of that is to trim the fat and bypass the whole "ree can't fire people from federal government" BS that they keep trying to pull from their asses.
Government is millions of pounds overweight and it's time to perform liposuction.
No wonder why its easier to get a pound of meth delivered to your house with a Uber driver than getting hold of someone at the Social Security services (Satire)
Bull! Having worked at SSA in Customer service, the reason you have long wait times are because the chronically unemployed leaches on the system call every friggen day and multiple times a day just for the hell of it if they don't get what they want
Didn't the c19 bs pretty much prove how non-essential most if the entire workforce really was?
Think about it... very few companies were open for a long time... including manufacturing. As someone who serviced machines that made PPE, I saw this first hand. You ain't takin a mcpiss...pack a cooler. You're on your own.
Every single company out there has a huge amount of dead weight...govt included.
Part if the great awakening is going to be cutting the bullshit and getting real about work...two incomes to survive is bullshit. Wages haven't increased in decades.
Time to enforce the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr on the remaining 99% who actually show up for work.
Why do we need expensive colleges and why do we need schools why not cut the expenses down to 10% cost and do it at home
Lots of vacant cubicles for the homeless.
Buying votes for a dying empire. Fuck them all.
We need zero federal workers.
We do not even need the military. 800 bases around the world protecting us from what?
Shut them all down and remake our military from the ground up.
Get rid of our ridiculous surface fleet as well. Yellow ducks in the children's bathtub. They are useless in today's world.
Rethink diplomacy and actually give a shit about the world.
I doubt that. I worked for SSA I was not security or maintenance, customer service and we showed up every day. Now you can work from home one or two days a week and whenever the weather is bad, which limits people getting paid to sit home on snow days and do nothing!