Don't think this would affect call centers out of Bangladesh as they aren't working in America. But I agree completely.
Customer service should always be by people with a clear accent native to the regions they're servicing. Any time anyone has to say "excuse me, could you repeat that?" is a waste of time for both parties.
Heh. Years ago, when I was visiting USA, I rented a car. Now I mostly have no problems with native speakers, or they with me, although I do have a definite accent. So no problems when I got it because I was speaking face to face with an American. But then something happened that made me need to extend the time I had it, by about 3 days. And I wasn't near any of their brick-and-mortar offices. So I call customer service.
Pretty heavy, I assume Indian, accent. And as said, I have a definite Finnish accent. I say that I need the car for 3 more days, and would return it to a different city. Let's say Chicago, while I was currently somewhere in Kentucky.
The person on the other end says something like "okay, a month more, and you return it to Florida?"
COME ON, my English isn't THAT bad...
Took nearly half an hour to get that cleared up. She didn't seem to get anything I said right, and I had hell of time understanding what she was saying. We managed in the end, but what should have been at most a ten minute call, yep. About half an hour. And for several moments during that time I was considering driving to the nearest city where that rental firm had an office.
My company used to have a partnership with Nokia so my colleagues and I had plenty of contact with Finns by phone and in person. We were always astounded by their ability to speak excellent English. Every one of them sounded American to us though and when we asked them why that should be they replied that they watched US TV shows all the time for fluency practice. Back in those days "Kojak" and other police shows were very popular and I was half expecting the Finnish guys to be reading me my rights or something.
I have been able to almost lose my accent a few times in my life, but it requires that I practice speaking a lot. When I don't and just listen I get it back.
Here we go again. A pertinent discussion on the most pressing issue for MAGA atm is derailed by nonsense. Do not upvote these pithy comments and cause them to rise to the top. What in the fuck does customer service have to do with any of this?
We are going to talk about crap instead of what is becoming plainly obvious -- that Elon and Viveks tweets that have MAGA up in arms were nothing more than a play to shine a spotlight on the abhorrent H1B policy?
But we get this customer service crap. This is forum sliding shill bullshit. Learn to recognize it.
"Forum sliding" is a known technique used by bad hats to derail legitimate discussion of some subject which the bad hats do not want discussed. I think you are being over-sensitive and didactic this time though. I really doubt there is anyone in this thread (whatever they think of Elon Musk and H1B in principle) who approves of the current implementation of H1B and thinks it is great.
There are daily and routinely plenty of worse discussion derailers for example I am not religious and people push it all the time in here.
I think the notion that this is "the most pressing issue for MAGA" is inherently silly.
There are roughly 600K current visa holders.
That is a small fraction of the number of illegals affecting politics, getting cheap jobs under the table, etc.
I maintain that this topic is exclusively to drive a wedge between people.
But you're right, I apologize for responding to a post about customer service. I was attempting to show that I see their beliefs, but it wasn't relevant.
The most important issues didn't shift. Economy, illegal hordes, the cusp of world war, rampant government spending and abuse, DEI.
This IS a distraction. Whether people are talking about it doesn't change that it's not the most pressing issue and certainly hasn't been until a week ago.
I'll apologize for responding about customer service, I won't apologize by not being like the outrage mob on the left moving from topic to topic when it's simply just the most recent drama being over embellished and placed above everything else.
customer service is obviously a ruse.
people should really learn the way business works. econ 101 classes for all.
guess what? businesses with customer support dont actually want to make your life easy. they want to upsell you or put you on hold and then disconnect when they transfer your call.
Kek!!! They would tell me their name is Paul & that they are calling from Pennsylvania. I would ask them, oh really, I didn't know that India had a Pennsylvania too. Is that north of Bombay or south?
BTW there are now plenty now all over Central America too, btw
Or like an actual smart person dont get drawn into phone calls with people you dont know!. Dont answer calls from unknown numbers. Dont get tricked into having so much experience with call centers.
btw, im not an actual smart person. but i haven't had to fuck with unknown callers since the 90's.
Maybe it has already happened but when A.I. is able to develope emotional capacity and the ability to daydream is when the created becomes the creator.
Companies fronting the customer service make a huge mistake by cheaping out on phone line bandwidth. Our internal IT "helpdesk" was moved to the Philippines and nobody could understand what they were saying. Then the audio quality was upgraded and it made a big difference. They still had accents but at least I could understand what they were telling me to do.
It feels like Trump was doing his thing again, very strong statement from JD Vance about no more immigration.
I always try to remember that this time around everything he is doing has global (I mean first world) implications. He is creating narratives that are hard to question by the establishment and their puppets.
DOGE - Removing corrupt DS globally.
H1B - Removing cheap replacement labour or welfare parasites.
Climate - Anyone with two brain cells knows it’s not farting cows.
Food - The poison in everything they sell us.
MAHA - Healthcare is about profit not healing.
Lately I've been likening Elon and Vivek to Fat Man and Little Boy. Elon going nuclear on this topic sorta confirms my suspicions. This is the same allegory used in late 2016 when "mcDONALDs" fired 70 (DS) "American Accountants" and replaced them with "H1B" outsiders. But this time the scale is nuclear.
BTW the google AI also made it clear that the restaurant at the end of the universe (mcDONALDs) was nowhere near "the center of the universe". eg. "POTUS will be insulated on AF1" when the "nuke" hits.
Go over to r/Politics, they're hating on all things H1B because of their hatred for Elon. They call it slave labor for capitalist barons.
I honestly think it's not even plebian Redditor anymore: there must be a bot farm that is ran by an AI that scouts the internet for news articles. Anything related to Trump or Elon, the bot farms will automatically create the anti-narrative. Because Elon was making more noise about it than Trump, who was weirdly quiet, the bot farms went ham on hating H1B because of Elons support.
Therefore, the white hata continue to expose bot farms while also getting the narrative to actually be on Trump's side: reform immigration work visas! And now Reddit agreed with that!
Like the conservatives being banned and stripped of their monetization on X for having dissenting opinions of Elon? I bet that “free speech” is making a whole lot of sense now huh?
Well that one was news to me. At the same time theres was a fabricated tweet that was spreading like wildfire. Im not defending Elon, at the same time he's not the one who's going to influence or have the final say on H-1B. I said it on another thread that its a big miscommunication error. Plus that fabricated tweet in the mix. Even if the community notes are applied its already too late.
It’s not really a miscommunication error, when people are getting demonetized and silenced: ConservativeOG, Laura Loomer, Steve Bannon, etc. Whether he had the power or not, doesn’t change what his position is and that should be concern enough. He has the power to silence people on a platform that’s supposed to be a “free speech haven” for criticism… against his own personal views.
I think the fabricated tweet is the least of concern.
The H1B issue has been abused and should be reformed. Those who have demonstrated skills in areas where there are more jobs than qualified Americans can fill, should be welcomed into the U.S. However, we should not confuse what we need. It’s not any warm bodies that are American, not DEI hires, not quota hires. You must have proven relevant skills regardless if you’re American or not for the position. If there are 10 jobs and only 8 American applicants with the required skills that have applied, then 2 qualified foreign applicants can be hired.
I’d rather that than having 10 Americans being hired with 8 fully qualified and 2 being DEI applicants lacking skills. Imagine being wheeled into a hospital for emergency heart surgery. Would you want a minimally skilled American DEI surgeon or a fully trained and skilled foreign doctor?
The trouble is, without any oversight, can't employers can just pretend that there were not enough local applicants and hire the overseas applicants anyway?
The absolute frenzy over this topic reminds me of something the google AI shared with me recently when I asked about "the center of the universe"
"The Total Perspective Vortex is a device that uses a piece of matter to extrapolate a model of the entire universe. The device is used as a torture device on the planet Frogstar B."
I'll always advocate each to their own when it comes to debate. Personally I care less about a few foreigners taking tech jobs than I do stopping satan-worshipping megalomaniacs that are actively doing all they can to force us into pods to eat bugs to 'save the planet' whilst they orgiastically rape and eat children.
Problem is, its not a few. It's priority. If you're an American, you're not getting any IT jobs. Maybe a contract one, but no permanent, and you can't support a family jumping contracts. You'll get kicked out if you even mention possible full time employment. I've lived and suffered it
Oh I see that it's an issue for sure, but it's one issue and surely fixable with negotiation and compromise. What's disconcerting me as a casual observer is how immediately so many people have been activated into jumping up amd down that 'see, we knew Elon and Vivek were really snakey cunts' mode. We're just starting to enjoy the left eating itself and I don't like the underlying feeling of derailing our own momentum.
Seriously we are taking about 0.01%. Also Musk wants to overhaul the H1-B visa to assure that no one’s is taking advantage of it. I do agree currently it’s being abused but I don’t disagree with Musk that admitting more highly skilled workers would be an advantage for the US once that program has been cleaned up and reset to its standard. I’ll take a skilled worker from Japan over that libtard college indoctrinated brad any day. Also why wouldn’t we want them here as opposed to them working for the enemy or advancing the rest of the world while we get left behind. Once we clean up our educational system perhaps enough people from our future generations will have devolved skills that are on par with these foreigners and even other very intelligent Americans. Fact is in America we just don’t have enough highly skilled individuals as our children and our selves have been dumbed down and reduced to “mediocrity”. We can’t ignore this fact and allow our egos to be hurt when faced with the truth. Tv and entertainment plays a big part in this as does our culture. We need to admit this is the state we have been led to and then find a way to move forward and higher up in the future. The “everyone gets a trophy” philosophy have seriously failed us and only caused a major inflation of egos in this country.
It's entire industries. It's about white replacement with, in this case, indentured servants (which is illegal). Only H1Bs are worse than indentured servitude because the indenture never ends.
American's won't put up with the dictatorship that our corporate overlords want to implement in the workplace. H1Bs are tied to a single employer and they get evicted from the US if their employer doesn't want them any more. IOW they're more disposable than the indigenous population (that's us).
H1B visas are fraudulently obtained by employers, and are pure evil from top to bottom.
He's not doing that, himself. It's carried out by staff and algorithms. This has happened before and in instances where it was wrong, he reversed it. Keep in mind if this is a massive psyops, and with mossad asset Loomer involved I'm inclined to believe it is, they're going to use tactics like this. IE, divisive stances within the party designed to split the camp, complimented by 'bans' to further polarize the sides taken. When in reality, controlled opposition accounts can force a ban or just get enough reports to automate it via the algorithm. Coupled with a contentious subject like H1B and boom, you have a powerful psyops designed to divide and conquer.
Not only H1B visas, but also outsourcing for financial reasons, must be banned. Both of my children had IT positions, one at a pharmaceutical company, beginning with letter A, and another at an entertainment company, beginning with the letter W, both were outsourced to India resulting in multiple job losses at both companies. This was purely a financial move and it should be prohibited. When you fire an entire team, that is NOT due to India workers being more competent, especially when one company did it before resulting in multiple complaints re. service.
Yep. People shouldnt be able to do what they want with their business. Businesses shouldnt be in it for the money. They should be regulated to only make so much. Our kids need IT jobs and fairness!
Here's an idea. Why not just leave businesses alone to make their own decisions. If they prefer someone from another country, so be it. Let's just add a tariff on top of their salary the same way we will be tariffing from all goods from said country. If, in time, that individual wants to immigrate here, they will go through through the long procedure to do that legally (and when they actually are an American citizen then the tariff stops & they can negotiate with their employer for a better pay)
The point is, with this added employment tariff, there will be no economic reason for a company to take in a foreigner. If they really are some sort of genius, like Musk may have been, then they still get that opportunity to come here. I am assuming this is a touchy point for Elon & I understand that. it also means that we will draw the smartest from around the world, which is only a plus for our nation.
Part of making America Great again is about giving Americans the freedom that our forefathers fought & died for. Part of that freedom is allowing us to hire whoever we want to. I think having a tariff on hiring a foreigner gives employers that freedom while still giving Americas an edge against foreigners for the same job. (In other words it would not be worth while to hire a foreigner to save money because they will have to pay extra for this "work tariff: However, American businesses still have the freedom to hire, say the next Elon Musk, even though he is a foreigner, if they see a lot of potential in them. They will just have to pay an extra 'work tariff'. This 'work tariff' is a new thing I am proposing)
Forcing businesses to have to hire a certain way just seems to bureaucratic & socialist to me. Let's get the government OUT of hiring practices. Let businesses hire as they wish, just make them pay an extra "work tariff' for every dollar their foreign employee makes.
Thank you. Yes, I think this could be the win / win. I can understand Elon being sensitive to this. He was also foreign born & wants to help people, like himself, who were naturally brilliant but not born here.
Let us be the land of opportunity that we always used to be. In the old days immigrants would work jobs beneath them just so their children would be Americans. The swamp turned all that on it's head & are bringing in the worst foreigners to bring us down. That, of course needs to stop. (& I have full faith Tom will do a great job there) but let's also go back to being a magnet for the smartest & brightest in the world. Leaving our door open to them will only bring us up. They would be so happy at the opportunity that they won't mind that there's an extra tariff. They will just be happy at for the opportunity to be able show how capable they are in the greatest county on earth. They just want that chance and it makes us what the most capable in the world want to be part of.
It makes us GREAT AGAIN. (And, in a way, they are paying for that opportunity ;)
I’m a legal immigrant from Europe and I can tell you the immigration process is not something everyone has a chance at. I always loved America and wanted to live here but soon realized my options for doing so were extremely limited. One way I found was to save up a ton of money and try and get an investor visa and attempt to start a business in the US. A guy from my elementary school did this but sadly I did not have 100K on my hands so that option was out the door. The other option was going for the H-1B visa but unfortunately I didn’t consider my self more skilled than the average American worker - at least not anything I could prove on paper. Then there was the asylum program - but obviously I didn’t qualify for that either. My last and only option came on it’s own when I met my future husband during my stay in the US and we got married. Bottom line is, unless a US company wants you badly enough they are willing to go through the visa process with you or if you yourself have money enough to invest in the US then you ain’t going unless you get married. Now my marriage is legit but the system is overly abused because this seems to be the only pathway for “legal” entry. It also turns the purpose of marriage as intended by God into mockery when many of these people just get a divorce after getting their papers. I had a friend from Sweden who wanted her citizenship so bad she paid a guy to marry her. (Only for her to get her citizenship, a divorce and then go back to Sweden where she has lived ever since lol. - Oh an the dude she married took out several credit card loans in her name so she paid for it twice and now can’t return without facing debt) The entire immigration system needs an overhaul to prevent these types of immigration fraud. People from around the world who wants to immigrate because they love our country and wants to contribute to making it a better place needs to have other legal ways of immigrating here than marriage since lying about it essentially makes them as illegal as the ones who cross the border without a passport.
Perhaps make it only possible to get permanent residency after 10 years of marriage and co-habiting with no criminal record. Then another 10 years of the same before gaining citizenship. Or ditch the citizenship part altogether.
Sounds good to me. It only makes sense with the high divorce rate of these types of marriages. I actually stayed on my green card status for 10 years after getting married before I applied for citizenship. I really don’t see the need to hurry and you have almost all the same rights as a permanent resident as citizens do.
They can start with customer service. I sometimes have a hard time understanding what the heck they are saying.
Don't think this would affect call centers out of Bangladesh as they aren't working in America. But I agree completely.
Customer service should always be by people with a clear accent native to the regions they're servicing. Any time anyone has to say "excuse me, could you repeat that?" is a waste of time for both parties.
Heh. Years ago, when I was visiting USA, I rented a car. Now I mostly have no problems with native speakers, or they with me, although I do have a definite accent. So no problems when I got it because I was speaking face to face with an American. But then something happened that made me need to extend the time I had it, by about 3 days. And I wasn't near any of their brick-and-mortar offices. So I call customer service.
Pretty heavy, I assume Indian, accent. And as said, I have a definite Finnish accent. I say that I need the car for 3 more days, and would return it to a different city. Let's say Chicago, while I was currently somewhere in Kentucky.
The person on the other end says something like "okay, a month more, and you return it to Florida?"
COME ON, my English isn't THAT bad...
Took nearly half an hour to get that cleared up. She didn't seem to get anything I said right, and I had hell of time understanding what she was saying. We managed in the end, but what should have been at most a ten minute call, yep. About half an hour. And for several moments during that time I was considering driving to the nearest city where that rental firm had an office.
My company used to have a partnership with Nokia so my colleagues and I had plenty of contact with Finns by phone and in person. We were always astounded by their ability to speak excellent English. Every one of them sounded American to us though and when we asked them why that should be they replied that they watched US TV shows all the time for fluency practice. Back in those days "Kojak" and other police shows were very popular and I was half expecting the Finnish guys to be reading me my rights or something.
I have been able to almost lose my accent a few times in my life, but it requires that I practice speaking a lot. When I don't and just listen I get it back.
You are absolutely correct.
Im hijacking this comment so its at the top.
Here we go again. A pertinent discussion on the most pressing issue for MAGA atm is derailed by nonsense. Do not upvote these pithy comments and cause them to rise to the top. What in the fuck does customer service have to do with any of this?
We are going to talk about crap instead of what is becoming plainly obvious -- that Elon and Viveks tweets that have MAGA up in arms were nothing more than a play to shine a spotlight on the abhorrent H1B policy?
But we get this customer service crap. This is forum sliding shill bullshit. Learn to recognize it.
Agree.
"Forum sliding" is a known technique used by bad hats to derail legitimate discussion of some subject which the bad hats do not want discussed. I think you are being over-sensitive and didactic this time though. I really doubt there is anyone in this thread (whatever they think of Elon Musk and H1B in principle) who approves of the current implementation of H1B and thinks it is great.
There are daily and routinely plenty of worse discussion derailers for example I am not religious and people push it all the time in here.
Relevant to this comment
https://greatawakening.win/p/17te9kltVA/an-opinion-on-what-is-considered/
Apologies to anyone if I’ve done this. Feel free to point it out to me.
I think the notion that this is "the most pressing issue for MAGA" is inherently silly.
There are roughly 600K current visa holders.
That is a small fraction of the number of illegals affecting politics, getting cheap jobs under the table, etc.
I maintain that this topic is exclusively to drive a wedge between people.
But you're right, I apologize for responding to a post about customer service. I was attempting to show that I see their beliefs, but it wasn't relevant.
You removed the context 'at the moment'. How is it not? It is all anyone is talking about.
We went from drones to this. Its so easy to distract the public.
The most important issues didn't shift. Economy, illegal hordes, the cusp of world war, rampant government spending and abuse, DEI.
This IS a distraction. Whether people are talking about it doesn't change that it's not the most pressing issue and certainly hasn't been until a week ago.
I'll apologize for responding about customer service, I won't apologize by not being like the outrage mob on the left moving from topic to topic when it's simply just the most recent drama being over embellished and placed above everything else.
customer service is obviously a ruse. people should really learn the way business works. econ 101 classes for all. guess what? businesses with customer support dont actually want to make your life easy. they want to upsell you or put you on hold and then disconnect when they transfer your call.
Telecom company playbook
Tariffs will fix this problem as well. No more outsourcing.
Kek!!! They would tell me their name is Paul & that they are calling from Pennsylvania. I would ask them, oh really, I didn't know that India had a Pennsylvania too. Is that north of Bombay or south?
BTW there are now plenty now all over Central America too, btw
Yes even your neighborhood, Joe, Billy or Mack from down the street and even Johnny on the pony waving his pom-poms would be better.
There's only one guy named Spam Risk who keeps calling me. Poor guy should pick another line of work.
Im afraid AI is making call centers obsolete or make them understaffed. I had a few where i never heard a human response. Literally freaked me out.
Or like an actual smart person dont get drawn into phone calls with people you dont know!. Dont answer calls from unknown numbers. Dont get tricked into having so much experience with call centers. btw, im not an actual smart person. but i haven't had to fuck with unknown callers since the 90's.
enjoyed reading this post..
Maybe it has already happened but when A.I. is able to develope emotional capacity and the ability to daydream is when the created becomes the creator.
Wonderful analysis thank you. What is your opinion on Quantum computing?
Thank you kindly Killerspacerobot.
Companies fronting the customer service make a huge mistake by cheaping out on phone line bandwidth. Our internal IT "helpdesk" was moved to the Philippines and nobody could understand what they were saying. Then the audio quality was upgraded and it made a big difference. They still had accents but at least I could understand what they were telling me to do.
sometimes??
OK, more than sometimes
Was this all a coordinated op to bring this subject into the light? Between Elon, Vivek, President Trump and Scott?
It feels like Trump was doing his thing again, very strong statement from JD Vance about no more immigration.
I always try to remember that this time around everything he is doing has global (I mean first world) implications. He is creating narratives that are hard to question by the establishment and their puppets.
DOGE - Removing corrupt DS globally. H1B - Removing cheap replacement labour or welfare parasites. Climate - Anyone with two brain cells knows it’s not farting cows. Food - The poison in everything they sell us. MAHA - Healthcare is about profit not healing.
He is the master troller.
Lately I've been likening Elon and Vivek to Fat Man and Little Boy. Elon going nuclear on this topic sorta confirms my suspicions. This is the same allegory used in late 2016 when "mcDONALDs" fired 70 (DS) "American Accountants" and replaced them with "H1B" outsiders. But this time the scale is nuclear.
BTW the google AI also made it clear that the restaurant at the end of the universe (mcDONALDs) was nowhere near "the center of the universe". eg. "POTUS will be insulated on AF1" when the "nuke" hits.
Go over to r/Politics, they're hating on all things H1B because of their hatred for Elon. They call it slave labor for capitalist barons.
I honestly think it's not even plebian Redditor anymore: there must be a bot farm that is ran by an AI that scouts the internet for news articles. Anything related to Trump or Elon, the bot farms will automatically create the anti-narrative. Because Elon was making more noise about it than Trump, who was weirdly quiet, the bot farms went ham on hating H1B because of Elons support.
Therefore, the white hata continue to expose bot farms while also getting the narrative to actually be on Trump's side: reform immigration work visas! And now Reddit agreed with that!
Thank you, Elon+ bot farms!
This is why the negative backlash was so off putting to me with that “ElOn PrEfERs ChEAp LAYBoOr.” nonsense. Clearly there was a fix to begin with.
As long as there is no plan to blanket naturalize illegals just so corporations can loophole and keep the cheap labor by calling them "Americans".
Like the conservatives being banned and stripped of their monetization on X for having dissenting opinions of Elon? I bet that “free speech” is making a whole lot of sense now huh?
Well that one was news to me. At the same time theres was a fabricated tweet that was spreading like wildfire. Im not defending Elon, at the same time he's not the one who's going to influence or have the final say on H-1B. I said it on another thread that its a big miscommunication error. Plus that fabricated tweet in the mix. Even if the community notes are applied its already too late.
It’s not really a miscommunication error, when people are getting demonetized and silenced: ConservativeOG, Laura Loomer, Steve Bannon, etc. Whether he had the power or not, doesn’t change what his position is and that should be concern enough. He has the power to silence people on a platform that’s supposed to be a “free speech haven” for criticism… against his own personal views.
I think the fabricated tweet is the least of concern.
The H1B issue has been abused and should be reformed. Those who have demonstrated skills in areas where there are more jobs than qualified Americans can fill, should be welcomed into the U.S. However, we should not confuse what we need. It’s not any warm bodies that are American, not DEI hires, not quota hires. You must have proven relevant skills regardless if you’re American or not for the position. If there are 10 jobs and only 8 American applicants with the required skills that have applied, then 2 qualified foreign applicants can be hired.
I’d rather that than having 10 Americans being hired with 8 fully qualified and 2 being DEI applicants lacking skills. Imagine being wheeled into a hospital for emergency heart surgery. Would you want a minimally skilled American DEI surgeon or a fully trained and skilled foreign doctor?
The trouble is, without any oversight, can't employers can just pretend that there were not enough local applicants and hire the overseas applicants anyway?
The absolute frenzy over this topic reminds me of something the google AI shared with me recently when I asked about "the center of the universe"
"The Total Perspective Vortex is a device that uses a piece of matter to extrapolate a model of the entire universe. The device is used as a torture device on the planet Frogstar B."
Don't fall in the vortex.
I'll always advocate each to their own when it comes to debate. Personally I care less about a few foreigners taking tech jobs than I do stopping satan-worshipping megalomaniacs that are actively doing all they can to force us into pods to eat bugs to 'save the planet' whilst they orgiastically rape and eat children.
Problem is, its not a few. It's priority. If you're an American, you're not getting any IT jobs. Maybe a contract one, but no permanent, and you can't support a family jumping contracts. You'll get kicked out if you even mention possible full time employment. I've lived and suffered it
Oh I see that it's an issue for sure, but it's one issue and surely fixable with negotiation and compromise. What's disconcerting me as a casual observer is how immediately so many people have been activated into jumping up amd down that 'see, we knew Elon and Vivek were really snakey cunts' mode. We're just starting to enjoy the left eating itself and I don't like the underlying feeling of derailing our own momentum.
Seriously we are taking about 0.01%. Also Musk wants to overhaul the H1-B visa to assure that no one’s is taking advantage of it. I do agree currently it’s being abused but I don’t disagree with Musk that admitting more highly skilled workers would be an advantage for the US once that program has been cleaned up and reset to its standard. I’ll take a skilled worker from Japan over that libtard college indoctrinated brad any day. Also why wouldn’t we want them here as opposed to them working for the enemy or advancing the rest of the world while we get left behind. Once we clean up our educational system perhaps enough people from our future generations will have devolved skills that are on par with these foreigners and even other very intelligent Americans. Fact is in America we just don’t have enough highly skilled individuals as our children and our selves have been dumbed down and reduced to “mediocrity”. We can’t ignore this fact and allow our egos to be hurt when faced with the truth. Tv and entertainment plays a big part in this as does our culture. We need to admit this is the state we have been led to and then find a way to move forward and higher up in the future. The “everyone gets a trophy” philosophy have seriously failed us and only caused a major inflation of egos in this country.
It's entire industries. It's about white replacement with, in this case, indentured servants (which is illegal). Only H1Bs are worse than indentured servitude because the indenture never ends.
American's won't put up with the dictatorship that our corporate overlords want to implement in the workplace. H1Bs are tied to a single employer and they get evicted from the US if their employer doesn't want them any more. IOW they're more disposable than the indigenous population (that's us).
H1B visas are fraudulently obtained by employers, and are pure evil from top to bottom.
many maga people look like idiots for wanting to cut and run on elon
not really, he has been banning accounts left, right and centre these last few days.
He's not doing that, himself. It's carried out by staff and algorithms. This has happened before and in instances where it was wrong, he reversed it. Keep in mind if this is a massive psyops, and with mossad asset Loomer involved I'm inclined to believe it is, they're going to use tactics like this. IE, divisive stances within the party designed to split the camp, complimented by 'bans' to further polarize the sides taken. When in reality, controlled opposition accounts can force a ban or just get enough reports to automate it via the algorithm. Coupled with a contentious subject like H1B and boom, you have a powerful psyops designed to divide and conquer.
your assuming these accounts are not breaking the rules...
dont turn into the extreme left. protecting grifters.
That’s funny, that’s what people say about those that think X is a free speech platform and continuing to support Elon, by ignoring this altogether.
Not only H1B visas, but also outsourcing for financial reasons, must be banned. Both of my children had IT positions, one at a pharmaceutical company, beginning with letter A, and another at an entertainment company, beginning with the letter W, both were outsourced to India resulting in multiple job losses at both companies. This was purely a financial move and it should be prohibited. When you fire an entire team, that is NOT due to India workers being more competent, especially when one company did it before resulting in multiple complaints re. service.
Yep. People shouldnt be able to do what they want with their business. Businesses shouldnt be in it for the money. They should be regulated to only make so much. Our kids need IT jobs and fairness!
This is the correct context.
Kek, Elon. Just kek.
Start by shipping back 95% of the Punjabi already here. Then this proposal might have consideration.
There is already the O1 visa.
Here's an idea. Why not just leave businesses alone to make their own decisions. If they prefer someone from another country, so be it. Let's just add a tariff on top of their salary the same way we will be tariffing from all goods from said country. If, in time, that individual wants to immigrate here, they will go through through the long procedure to do that legally (and when they actually are an American citizen then the tariff stops & they can negotiate with their employer for a better pay)
The point is, with this added employment tariff, there will be no economic reason for a company to take in a foreigner. If they really are some sort of genius, like Musk may have been, then they still get that opportunity to come here. I am assuming this is a touchy point for Elon & I understand that. it also means that we will draw the smartest from around the world, which is only a plus for our nation.
The point is about MAGA is about putting Americans to work in good paying jobs.
Part of making America Great again is about giving Americans the freedom that our forefathers fought & died for. Part of that freedom is allowing us to hire whoever we want to. I think having a tariff on hiring a foreigner gives employers that freedom while still giving Americas an edge against foreigners for the same job. (In other words it would not be worth while to hire a foreigner to save money because they will have to pay extra for this "work tariff: However, American businesses still have the freedom to hire, say the next Elon Musk, even though he is a foreigner, if they see a lot of potential in them. They will just have to pay an extra 'work tariff'. This 'work tariff' is a new thing I am proposing)
Forcing businesses to have to hire a certain way just seems to bureaucratic & socialist to me. Let's get the government OUT of hiring practices. Let businesses hire as they wish, just make them pay an extra "work tariff' for every dollar their foreign employee makes.
Thank you. Yes, I think this could be the win / win. I can understand Elon being sensitive to this. He was also foreign born & wants to help people, like himself, who were naturally brilliant but not born here.
Let us be the land of opportunity that we always used to be. In the old days immigrants would work jobs beneath them just so their children would be Americans. The swamp turned all that on it's head & are bringing in the worst foreigners to bring us down. That, of course needs to stop. (& I have full faith Tom will do a great job there) but let's also go back to being a magnet for the smartest & brightest in the world. Leaving our door open to them will only bring us up. They would be so happy at the opportunity that they won't mind that there's an extra tariff. They will just be happy at for the opportunity to be able show how capable they are in the greatest county on earth. They just want that chance and it makes us what the most capable in the world want to be part of. It makes us GREAT AGAIN. (And, in a way, they are paying for that opportunity ;)
Personally I like these visas better than all the rest:
https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/o-1-visa-individuals-with-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement
The O-1 Visas have limits - they don't provide permanent residence. They can be extended if necessary/
I’m a legal immigrant from Europe and I can tell you the immigration process is not something everyone has a chance at. I always loved America and wanted to live here but soon realized my options for doing so were extremely limited. One way I found was to save up a ton of money and try and get an investor visa and attempt to start a business in the US. A guy from my elementary school did this but sadly I did not have 100K on my hands so that option was out the door. The other option was going for the H-1B visa but unfortunately I didn’t consider my self more skilled than the average American worker - at least not anything I could prove on paper. Then there was the asylum program - but obviously I didn’t qualify for that either. My last and only option came on it’s own when I met my future husband during my stay in the US and we got married. Bottom line is, unless a US company wants you badly enough they are willing to go through the visa process with you or if you yourself have money enough to invest in the US then you ain’t going unless you get married. Now my marriage is legit but the system is overly abused because this seems to be the only pathway for “legal” entry. It also turns the purpose of marriage as intended by God into mockery when many of these people just get a divorce after getting their papers. I had a friend from Sweden who wanted her citizenship so bad she paid a guy to marry her. (Only for her to get her citizenship, a divorce and then go back to Sweden where she has lived ever since lol. - Oh an the dude she married took out several credit card loans in her name so she paid for it twice and now can’t return without facing debt) The entire immigration system needs an overhaul to prevent these types of immigration fraud. People from around the world who wants to immigrate because they love our country and wants to contribute to making it a better place needs to have other legal ways of immigrating here than marriage since lying about it essentially makes them as illegal as the ones who cross the border without a passport.
Perhaps make it only possible to get permanent residency after 10 years of marriage and co-habiting with no criminal record. Then another 10 years of the same before gaining citizenship. Or ditch the citizenship part altogether.
Sounds good to me. It only makes sense with the high divorce rate of these types of marriages. I actually stayed on my green card status for 10 years after getting married before I applied for citizenship. I really don’t see the need to hurry and you have almost all the same rights as a permanent resident as citizens do.