Why the fuck is he reversing his stance after being against the shit for so many years? What would Optics have to do with it? Is this another sting move of some sort? Is it to bring awareness to the MMR vaccine?
He's attempting to educate, here. He has to address a measles outbreak or he'll not be listened to by the vaxx lovers.
"While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected, CDC has recently updated their recommendation supporting administration of vitamin A under the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection. Studies have found that vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality."
I read, "no approved antiviral" as a signal flare. And he's directing the public, specifically those who don't want the vaxxes, to vitamin A.
I don't see quotation marks... Did he actually said this? or are they putting words in his mouth? If he did, I am disappointed.
I am not sure about the safety of MMR vaccine, do not know if it is even the same MMR vaccine approved in the 60's; or is it a new patent? But we (the people and the health agencies) need to have conversations about all these vaccines. It is Not acceptable to continue pretending the Covid-19 vaccine debacle didn't happen.
Excellent point. This is why we need to have conversations, so people can make informed decisions. It is up to us to ask questions and demand answers from the health authorities. We should not accept mandates and declarations.
Measles was to the 1960’s generations like chicken pox was to the 80’s and 90’s. My Mom remembers people having “measles” parties like we had “chicken pox parties” when I was growing up. What parent would willingly expose their child to a deadly disease just to induce immunity? They wouldn’t. Unless measles has somehow changed since the 1960’s, they have successfully pushed their propaganda that if your child gets measles today, it will be as if they’ve contracted small pox and somehow our parents and grandparents generation never contradicted this narrative. Or they didn’t contradict it loudly enough to drown out their lies. So, here we are. 🤷🏼♀️
"...from 1956 to 1960, an average of 542,000 cases were reported annually.By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases) [2]."
Measles seems to be a WINTER disease/outbreak......and during a Presidential switch no less (at least for the ones I remember). Why is that?
Remember when they had the measles outbreak at Disney? Yeah, I bet most don't. It was hyped up like measles is trying to be hyped again and I'm pretty sure there were a couple of other times people freaked out about a small outbreak of measles. There was a craze to have college students get jabbed too at one point.
I don't trust any vaccine period. The medical profession is so corrupt. I'll take my chances on the actual illness. I'm not vaxxed and I survived covid.
The hospitalization rate was below 2% in the 1960's and death very rare they finally got the Measles vaccine . Prior to that it had been much higher mostly due to poor hygiene and poor diets in particular during the depression caused by the Fed. Reserve.
I didn't enjoy it but I do remember the party we had so others could get it and another so I could provide mumps . Perfect immunity.
Do we need the vaccines now that Antivirals exist ?
What were the big advancements in hygiene and diet in those 7 years?
Do you believe antivirals to be safer than vaccines? If so, why? The same people are responsible for both...
Also, where is this "2% hospitalization rate" coming from? You keep repeating it, but everything I'm reading says the hospitalization for measles was 25% of reported cases up until at least 1960.
RFK talked about the link between MMR and autism for the past 15 years. He's written books about this. When asked if he would give his children the MMR, he said "no." The 180 degree turn is a politician lying to you like any other politician, knifing you in the back. It isn't 14 degree chess. Vaccines are useless junk 👃 poison. Stop cucking for betrayal. This ain't MAHA
People are losing faith quickly when shit like this happens and how can we possibly defend the garbage? Its really making the hopium run dry as a post op tranny
All we can do is call it out. The absolute worst thing we can do is make excuses for it, like others in this thread are attempting to do. No, we don't need to inject monkey DNA, formeldahde, polyethylene glycol, and other garbage tested on aborted fetal cells to manufacure the MMR garbage. We don't have to fucking tolerate that, and we won't. Those attempting to twist themselves into a mental pretzel to make excuses for it are still trapped in normieville and have learned nothing, which is astonishing coming out of covid
I know Fren , it’s tough seeing ice going into places where there’s 4 to 5 thousand in one hotel and only arresting ,, this last time 4 guys . The others , thousands were left in the 189.00 a night hotel, they have been housing million or so for years in our hotels here . Why couldn’t they send all 4 thousand back on a plane like they got here . That’s only one place there are dozens of hotels in hotel circle and Point Loma all over San Diego . There are 100 of thousands thst they settled into San Bernardino riverside and other places , they took over communities it’s crazy ! Ice goes in and leaves thousands and thousands and takes out 2 or 4 ! I just really believed they were going to do mass deportations . But these people have been taken from hotels and are settled in apts and houses. They are shopping in stores and kids now in schools . It disheartening, but nothing I can do, no sense being pissed ! It is what it is . The grocery store where I live in an affluent neighborhood in San Diego has two of them working in the store , they are not Mexicans they are dark skinned from SA got here last year they told a Spanish speaking customer in parking lot , they speak no English. They keep to themselves , stocking shelves and getting carts , they are pleasant looking , not sure how they are on the books it’s a smart and final so they are on books . So they got SS card some how. Or on some kind of program I guess who knows , But there’s millions in Cali . Anyway as I said it is what it is! Thr y are settling in like tge 30 million Mexicans did many years ago . Nothing will change as far as my gratefulness for our President !
Vaccines contain stepped on viruses. The virus is harmed or killed to allow the body to see it and build a treatment for it.
MRNA uses RNA replication in the cells to produce the spike protein that does the harm from covid. So they are forcing the body to produce the thing that kills/damages the body. They also "Updated" the medical term to call this a vaccine. It contains none of the concept of a vaccine and is gene therapy.
All the animals and humans died in the first MRNA trials. A couple of guys did 'live' but they had to live through massive heart attacks and were dead for a few minutes. 2013 ish time frame.
If you're asking where I'm getting 25%, then that's easy.
CDC, WHO, NCIRD, JAMA, some other various government agencies.
The same place anyone looking for such statistics would look.
I'm not going to waste any time looking up any specific links for you, because that would just be a waste of my time. If you really wanted to know, you could have found plenty of info by now.
But you'll just say any source I name is lying and can't be trusted. Even though it's the same sources that RFK and people here, including you, use to get info when you think it supports your statement.
So, that's where I'm getting the 25% need hospitalization.
Where are you getting 2%? Seriously, it's an extremely easy question to answer.
Did you confuse hospitalization rates with death rates ( my theory), or are you just making things up as you go along?
You should have at least some vague idea where you're getting your information.
This is why I ask these types of questions.
God only knows how many people you've told this type of thing to, and when they go look for themselves and nothing you say comes up anywhere, there goes even more of the teensy little bit of credibility we might have.
"It is estimated that, prior to the current vaccine, the reported U.S. incidence was at least 12,000 measles-related deaths each year and up to 4 million people were infected annually. Among the reported cases of measles, 8,000 were hospitalized and a thousand suffered encephalitis as a serious and often fatal complication. Up to 75% of measles deaths were of children younger than 5 years old. Prior to the 1950s, nearly all children got the measles and developed active immunity from the active disease (unless they died)."
4,000,000 infected annually. 8,000 Hospitalized Again It's 2 %
Sorry it took so long to locate my most recent source.
The 4,000,000 estimate for measles cases is pretty high.
Reported cases of measles peaked right around 1960 at around 500,000. Though obviously there would be many unreported cases, as I said earlier.
But I've never seen anything saying that there were 4,000,000 cases of measles annually, even estimating unreported cases.
That's the thing with compiling statistics. You don't just use some arbitrary number someone pulled out of their ass. You compare reported hospitalized cases to reported cases.
Well hell, let's just say that someone somewhere says they think 160,000,000 people were getting measles each year. That way, the percentage of people dying goes waaaaay down. 🤷♀️
No, they didn't. Nothing I've been reading is claiming 4,000,000 a year were getting measles before the measles vaccine.
Just to point it out, how do you think normies are going to react when you tell them that 4,000,000 a year were getting measles before the measles vaccine was invented.
Do you think that's going to make them think the measles vaccine is a bad thing?
Wow you are exactly correct I must have misremembered it ONLY 0.2 % Hospitalization.
Although you could never give any references for any of your bullshit . I have tired of playing. Here is you citation. Approved CE course.
"From 1989 to 1991, CDC reported 55,622 cases with 123 deaths, and 90% of cases were unvaccinated children. They stated: "Surveys in areas experiencing outbreaks among preschool-age children indicated that as few as 50% of children had been vaccinated against measles by their second birthday, and that black and Hispanic children were less likely to be age-appropriately vaccinated than were white children (CDC, Pink Book 2018.)"
Imagine that in 1989 to '91 50,060 unvaccinated cases with 123 deaths . And comes out to .2 %. Where have I heard that number before ?
Didn't this outbreak occur after MMR vax was administered to large number of people? As I recall MMR is the one most closely related to autism and "sids".
This! ☝🏻 And I believe people have gone to bat to try and get pharma to separate them, or give parents the option at least, to give the vaccines separately and they refuse to have that even be an option. So that begs the question, why!? It’s also almost impossible to get the TDAP vaccines given separately. So, if you believe you might have been exposed to tetanus, or you would just like to stay up to date on your tetanus vax, you can no longer do so. You also have to get vaccinated for Dipheria and Pertussis at the same time because all 3 are given as one unit just like the MMR. It’s so dumb and totally sketch! I know about the TDAP b/c my sister inlaw, who was wise to the harm of vaccines a long time ago, did want to give her child the tetanus shot and only the tetanus shot, but she couldn’t find a doctors office that would give that vaccine alone like they used to. 🤷🏼♀️
They still give the vaccines in three separate shots. Which, ironically, increases their exposure to adjuvants, which many people believe to be the cause of the problems.
So, big question. If the US went the same way Japan did on this, and broke the vaccines down into separate ones (and increase the amount of adjuvants kids were exposed to via the shots), would you support that?
And you don't feel that we should discuss openly, investigate and resolve the very real correlation between it and autism before blindly pushing it on the population for a relatively minor disease?
Didn’t they give those shots separately though? In the 1950’s? Combining all 3 started around the 80’s/90’s and the harm it can cause has something to do with giving all 3 shots as one unit. That’s when all the problems started w/ autism, etc. Or that’s my understanding of it as to why we started to see a spike of vaxx injuries in the late 80’s and on.
With all due respect...maybe you should sit out discussions about vaccines when you don't even know what vaccines you have gotten yourself.
And I do mean that as kindly as possible. It's just that whenever people enter discussions that they're not fully informed about, whatever they say casts doubts on everythingeveryone in the group says.
I see so much stuff that's just outright wrong get spread around, and everytime someone is able to blast holes in an argument because of that type of thing , it hurts the entire group.
Credibility is the biggest obstacle standing between normies and the truth, and we don't need to compromise it if we don't have to.
So, with as much love in my heart as I'm capable of feeling, I'm trying to, as gently as possible, suggest that if you're not sure what you're talking about is factual, maybe sit this one out until you know your facts are solid.
I've seen a couple of posts from WebMD promoting the MMR on fakebook this week. I wonder if outbreaks are among those who received MRNA shots. Generally, measles and mumps are considered minor childhood illnesses, but I suppose they could be pretty serious if one's immune system was damaged. But, I don't see how the MMR could help those people.
MMR has been around a long time. Before MRNA I think. But I am old enough to remember when the 3 types of measles and mumps were a normal part of childhood.
Times have certainly changed. As a child, we knew we would get the measles and mumps but we wanted it to be during the school term so you had an excuse to stay home. Unfortunately, I go them all during summer vacation so no benefit at all.
Thank you for posting this! Holy fuck it's astounding that this conversation is happening at all just due to a FUCKING HEADLINE. What has happened to this place??
Edit: oh, lookey here at what RFK Jr said in this article "Tens of thousands died with, or of, measles annually in 19th Century America. By 1960 -- before the vaccine’s introduction -- improvements in sanitation and nutrition had eliminated 98% of measles deaths. Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses. Vitamins A, C, and D, and foods rich in vitamins B12, C, and E should be part of a balanced diet."
Y'all who want to freak out over a headline, see how he pointed out that 98% of measles deaths were eliminated before the vax?
improvements in sanitation and nutrition had eliminated 98% of measles deaths.
That, and oral and IV rehydration, Tylenol for fever reduction, antibiotics for bacterial pneumonia (one of the biggest complications of the measles) and steroids for things like encephalitis (another complication).
But yeah, better diet and improved sanitation did play a part. I just think it's disingenuous to ignore all the other differences of healthcare in the 1800s vs healthcare in the mid 1900s.
"We must engage with communities to understand their concerns, provide culturally competent education, and make vaccines readily accessible for all those who want them."
He's laying the groundwork, people.
Does anyone know the history of the measles vaxx and can share? When did we lump it into the MMR?
We (the people who are skeptical about vaccine) are a majority now, no need for 'strategies'.
We are not children, they need to come out an explain clearly the advantage and disadvantage. Make taking the MMR vaccine voluntary, and remove the immunity from manufactures. Let the people make their own decisions. No more games.
An attenuated virus in traditional vaccines and the mRna nanotechnology are two different things. Also I think RFK has been pointing to the sheer scope and frequency of traditional vaccines that could be rising at the same rate of autism, not that the science itself is faulty.
When Andrew Wakefield was doing his research on the MMR vaccine, he found a high incidence of autism among the vaccinated. This led to his professional crucifixion and he suffered immensely. He left England and now is in America.
He published a terrible study (n=8) and faked the data at that. He did a terrible disservice by giving the vaxxers ammo against the voices of dissent. He rightly lost his license.
I believe he had to accept some conditions in order to get the votes needed to be confirmed. I imagine one of the conditions is to not undermine the current policies of HHS until scientific testing confirms the policies should be changed.
I don't like it, but that's probably what is going on here.
Hmmm, maybe he has to bite the bullet and promote it just like Trump had to promote the covid jab.
Imagine the optics if RFK Jr doesn't endorse it then the measles outbreak kills 100s. Maybe in a case like this with an actual measles threat, the benefit outweighs the risks for once. Or perhaps it's 7d chess and Normies might be protected and turned away from the MMR jab because Bobby is promoting it. But i'm just as puzzled as you.
"Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons."
"Parents play a pivotal role in safeguarding their children’s health. All parents should consult with their healthcare providers to understand their options to get the MMR vaccine. The decision to vaccinate is a personal one. Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons."
Are you saying that people whose children don't have contraindications for vaccines (such as cancer patients, patients who have had organ transplants, severe allergies to components of the vaccine (eggs being a main one) or on high dose steroids and immunosuppresents) are evil (although smart) for not vaccinating, relying on everyone else to risk their own children by vaccinating them, in order to maintain herd immunity, thereby benefiting from everyone else getting vaccinated?
"The current Texas outbreak has predominantly affected children, with 116 of the 146 cases occurring in individuals under 18 years of age. The DSHS reports that 79 of the confirmed cases involved individuals who had not received the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, while 62 cases had unknown vaccine status. At least five had received an MMR vaccine." AT LEAST 5.
Article also mentions Vit A as important against death from measles.
This may help you advocate for a vaccine that isn't even effective:
"However, a 1989 measles outbreaks among vaccinated school-aged children prompted the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) to recommend a second dose of MMR vaccine for all children. Following widespread implementation of this recommendation and improvements in first-dose MMR vaccine coverage, reported measles cases declined even more."
Anyone know where RFK (or whoever) is getting this information about only 2% of measles cases needing hospitalization in 1960?
Because everything I can find is saying the hospitalization rate was around 25% of reported cases. There were around 500,000 reported cases in 1960, and estimates go as high as there being over 1,000,000 cases, but only half of them were reported (the other half being minor cases that didn't even need a doctor's visit.)
Why the fuck is he reversing his stance after being against the shit for so many years? What would Optics have to do with it? Is this another sting move of some sort? Is it to bring awareness to the MMR vaccine?
Help me understand this shit, please.
He's attempting to educate, here. He has to address a measles outbreak or he'll not be listened to by the vaxx lovers.
"While there is no approved antiviral for those who may be infected, CDC has recently updated their recommendation supporting administration of vitamin A under the supervision of a physician for those with mild, moderate, and severe infection. Studies have found that vitamin A can dramatically reduce measles mortality."
I read, "no approved antiviral" as a signal flare. And he's directing the public, specifically those who don't want the vaxxes, to vitamin A.
This opinion piece is a FANTASTIC start to MAHA.
1011 VACCINES [NOT ALL]. Q
What was his stance on the MMR vax before? You're saying he reversed his stance on it, so can you provide sauce on him being against it?
I don't see quotation marks... Did he actually said this? or are they putting words in his mouth? If he did, I am disappointed.
I am not sure about the safety of MMR vaccine, do not know if it is even the same MMR vaccine approved in the 60's; or is it a new patent? But we (the people and the health agencies) need to have conversations about all these vaccines. It is Not acceptable to continue pretending the Covid-19 vaccine debacle didn't happen.
When the hospitalization rate was below 2% in the 1960's and death very rare they finally got the vaccine .
Should we ask or worry about the patents or should consider the need all together ?
Remember anti viral medications are a recent development and much safer than vaccines.
Excellent point. This is why we need to have conversations, so people can make informed decisions. It is up to us to ask questions and demand answers from the health authorities. We should not accept mandates and declarations.
Measles was to the 1960’s generations like chicken pox was to the 80’s and 90’s. My Mom remembers people having “measles” parties like we had “chicken pox parties” when I was growing up. What parent would willingly expose their child to a deadly disease just to induce immunity? They wouldn’t. Unless measles has somehow changed since the 1960’s, they have successfully pushed their propaganda that if your child gets measles today, it will be as if they’ve contracted small pox and somehow our parents and grandparents generation never contradicted this narrative. Or they didn’t contradict it loudly enough to drown out their lies. So, here we are. 🤷🏼♀️
Where is the 2% coming from? Everything I'm reading said the hospitalization rate for measles in 1960 was around 25%.
"...from 1956 to 1960, an average of 542,000 cases were reported annually.By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases) [2]."
1 death / 1000 = 0.1% '56 to 60
26 deaths/ 1000 = 2.6% 1912- 1916
You were saying under 2% were hospitalized.
Now you seem to be trying to change it from hospitalization to death?
Been a long time since my 4 years inside the halls of academic Medicine Death statistics are easier to find.
He is some from UK . Notice the decline in deaths just prior to vaccine development. Hygiene and Diet.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
So where did you get the 2% hospitalization rate? Is that some number you just randomly remembered from way back when you were a student?
Again, that's rates of death. Not hospitalization.
You do know the difference, right?
Or is this just some really bizarre way of saying that everytime you were using that 2% hospitalization rate, you really meant 2% death rate.
Because that would be understandable. Everyone makes mistakes. But not everyone can admit it.
Nope .
Ok, then where are you getting that only 2% need to be hospitalized?
Send the link I will read over maybe I'm wrong.
Where did you get that 2%, though? I'd like to read over that, as well.
Looks like he wrote it
Measles seems to be a WINTER disease/outbreak......and during a Presidential switch no less (at least for the ones I remember). Why is that?
Remember when they had the measles outbreak at Disney? Yeah, I bet most don't. It was hyped up like measles is trying to be hyped again and I'm pretty sure there were a couple of other times people freaked out about a small outbreak of measles. There was a craze to have college students get jabbed too at one point.
Disney out break that lasted a few months : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_measles_outbreak
Disney outbreak that lasted in similar months that we are in now Dec 2014 - Feb 2015 : https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm
Measle outbreaks cause people to panic and jab their kids more : https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8828106/
Outbreak in colleges and such in 2008
Measles --- United States, January 1--April 25, 2008 : https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5718a5.htm
Measles in U.S. at Highest Level Since 2001 (2008) : https://archive.is/eKe9e
I don't trust any vaccine period. The medical profession is so corrupt. I'll take my chances on the actual illness. I'm not vaxxed and I survived covid.
The hospitalization rate was below 2% in the 1960's and death very rare they finally got the Measles vaccine . Prior to that it had been much higher mostly due to poor hygiene and poor diets in particular during the depression caused by the Fed. Reserve.
I didn't enjoy it but I do remember the party we had so others could get it and another so I could provide mumps . Perfect immunity.
Do we need the vaccines now that Antivirals exist ?
The Measles vaccine came out in 1963.
In 1960, there was approximately 500,000 cases of measles. In 1970, approximately 50,000. (Info from a graph someone posted here last week. https://greatawakening.win/p/19AdgTtXPB/measles-cases-as-a-tenyear-rolli/)
What were the big advancements in hygiene and diet in those 7 years?
Do you believe antivirals to be safer than vaccines? If so, why? The same people are responsible for both...
Also, where is this "2% hospitalization rate" coming from? You keep repeating it, but everything I'm reading says the hospitalization for measles was 25% of reported cases up until at least 1960.
MMR is not MRNA like the Covid shots. Not that you should be getting either, but they are very different. MMR has been around since 70.
MMR : Measles , Mumps , Rubella .
This is the vax that often leads to autism. They give them all at once with triple the adjuvants.
All at once because all in the same vial. Are you certain "with triple the adjuvants." is Correct ?
They're all in one shot. Which is 1/3 the adjuvants than if they were in 3 different shots.
Which adjuvants do you believe to be the culprit?
Thank you. I didn't know what the hell MMR was abbreviated for.
🧐 Seriously?
RFK talked about the link between MMR and autism for the past 15 years. He's written books about this. When asked if he would give his children the MMR, he said "no." The 180 degree turn is a politician lying to you like any other politician, knifing you in the back. It isn't 14 degree chess. Vaccines are useless junk 👃 poison. Stop cucking for betrayal. This ain't MAHA
People are losing faith quickly when shit like this happens and how can we possibly defend the garbage? Its really making the hopium run dry as a post op tranny
All we can do is call it out. The absolute worst thing we can do is make excuses for it, like others in this thread are attempting to do. No, we don't need to inject monkey DNA, formeldahde, polyethylene glycol, and other garbage tested on aborted fetal cells to manufacure the MMR garbage. We don't have to fucking tolerate that, and we won't. Those attempting to twist themselves into a mental pretzel to make excuses for it are still trapped in normieville and have learned nothing, which is astonishing coming out of covid
^ This.
Thank you ,, so tired of the defenders !
100 percent , so fkn tired of people making excuses ,, optics Misinformation etc . It is what you said we were betrayed !
Kinda' goes against your GA handle, you're not supposed to stop believing
I know Fren , it’s tough seeing ice going into places where there’s 4 to 5 thousand in one hotel and only arresting ,, this last time 4 guys . The others , thousands were left in the 189.00 a night hotel, they have been housing million or so for years in our hotels here . Why couldn’t they send all 4 thousand back on a plane like they got here . That’s only one place there are dozens of hotels in hotel circle and Point Loma all over San Diego . There are 100 of thousands thst they settled into San Bernardino riverside and other places , they took over communities it’s crazy ! Ice goes in and leaves thousands and thousands and takes out 2 or 4 ! I just really believed they were going to do mass deportations . But these people have been taken from hotels and are settled in apts and houses. They are shopping in stores and kids now in schools . It disheartening, but nothing I can do, no sense being pissed ! It is what it is . The grocery store where I live in an affluent neighborhood in San Diego has two of them working in the store , they are not Mexicans they are dark skinned from SA got here last year they told a Spanish speaking customer in parking lot , they speak no English. They keep to themselves , stocking shelves and getting carts , they are pleasant looking , not sure how they are on the books it’s a smart and final so they are on books . So they got SS card some how. Or on some kind of program I guess who knows , But there’s millions in Cali . Anyway as I said it is what it is! Thr y are settling in like tge 30 million Mexicans did many years ago . Nothing will change as far as my gratefulness for our President !
This!
Vaccines contain stepped on viruses. The virus is harmed or killed to allow the body to see it and build a treatment for it.
MRNA uses RNA replication in the cells to produce the spike protein that does the harm from covid. So they are forcing the body to produce the thing that kills/damages the body. They also "Updated" the medical term to call this a vaccine. It contains none of the concept of a vaccine and is gene therapy.
All the animals and humans died in the first MRNA trials. A couple of guys did 'live' but they had to live through massive heart attacks and were dead for a few minutes. 2013 ish time frame.
When the hospitalization rate was below 2% in the 1960's and death very rare they finally got the vaccine .
Where is this 2% coming from? I'm seeing 25% in what I'm reading.
Neither I nor any friends were ever hospitalized.
Well, I'm happy that you and your friends didn't have to be hospitalized.
Has absolutely zero to do with what the hospitalization rate was/is, but yeah, happy to know that...
25% from AI listing for current cases.
Interesting that the same percentage of cases need hospitalization now for measles that they did back in the 1960s.
(I didn't get my info from AI, though.)
Is that where you got your original 2% number from? AI?
post the reference I'm glad to be proven wrong
Why would you be glad to be proven wrong about this?
You would enjoy knowing that exponentially more people have to be hospitalized for measles than you previously thought?
I prefer reality and everyone makes mistakes......although I didn't
If you're asking where I'm getting 25%, then that's easy.
CDC, WHO, NCIRD, JAMA, some other various government agencies.
The same place anyone looking for such statistics would look.
I'm not going to waste any time looking up any specific links for you, because that would just be a waste of my time. If you really wanted to know, you could have found plenty of info by now.
But you'll just say any source I name is lying and can't be trusted. Even though it's the same sources that RFK and people here, including you, use to get info when you think it supports your statement.
So, that's where I'm getting the 25% need hospitalization.
Where are you getting 2%? Seriously, it's an extremely easy question to answer.
Did you confuse hospitalization rates with death rates ( my theory), or are you just making things up as you go along?
You should have at least some vague idea where you're getting your information.
This is why I ask these types of questions.
God only knows how many people you've told this type of thing to, and when they go look for themselves and nothing you say comes up anywhere, there goes even more of the teensy little bit of credibility we might have.
Same people who gave us Covid then .
Sent you the relevant portion
Post which reference? The ones where you're saying that the hospitalization rate was 2%?
(I didn't get my info from AI, though.)
These references
Just answered you.
"It is estimated that, prior to the current vaccine, the reported U.S. incidence was at least 12,000 measles-related deaths each year and up to 4 million people were infected annually. Among the reported cases of measles, 8,000 were hospitalized and a thousand suffered encephalitis as a serious and often fatal complication. Up to 75% of measles deaths were of children younger than 5 years old. Prior to the 1950s, nearly all children got the measles and developed active immunity from the active disease (unless they died)."
4,000,000 infected annually. 8,000 Hospitalized Again It's 2 %
Sorry it took so long to locate my most recent source.
The 4,000,000 estimate for measles cases is pretty high.
Reported cases of measles peaked right around 1960 at around 500,000. Though obviously there would be many unreported cases, as I said earlier.
But I've never seen anything saying that there were 4,000,000 cases of measles annually, even estimating unreported cases.
That's the thing with compiling statistics. You don't just use some arbitrary number someone pulled out of their ass. You compare reported hospitalized cases to reported cases.
It's Staistics 101.
"compare reported hospitalized cases to reported cases." and leave out the vast majority of cases that are never more than annoyances.
It's epidemiology 1.
Well hell, let's just say that someone somewhere says they think 160,000,000 people were getting measles each year. That way, the percentage of people dying goes waaaaay down. 🤷♀️
Did you ever rework your math problem?
Would be surprising.
8,000/4,000,000 = ?? What percentage is that ?
Also, you need to recheck your math. 8,000 out of 4,000,000 is not 2%.
Ok, and where exactly did that come from? It's just a copy/paste. From where?
Same place your references came from
What is 8,000/4,000,000 = ??
No, they didn't. Nothing I've been reading is claiming 4,000,000 a year were getting measles before the measles vaccine.
Just to point it out, how do you think normies are going to react when you tell them that 4,000,000 a year were getting measles before the measles vaccine was invented.
Do you think that's going to make them think the measles vaccine is a bad thing?
So you prefer to lie to them ?
You worry more about Fee Fees than truth, how liberal of you.
Not measles vaccine that is the problem. MMR is.
Wow you are exactly correct I must have misremembered it ONLY 0.2 % Hospitalization.
Although you could never give any references for any of your bullshit . I have tired of playing. Here is you citation. Approved CE course.
"From 1989 to 1991, CDC reported 55,622 cases with 123 deaths, and 90% of cases were unvaccinated children. They stated: "Surveys in areas experiencing outbreaks among preschool-age children indicated that as few as 50% of children had been vaccinated against measles by their second birthday, and that black and Hispanic children were less likely to be age-appropriately vaccinated than were white children (CDC, Pink Book 2018.)"
Imagine that in 1989 to '91 50,060 unvaccinated cases with 123 deaths . And comes out to .2 %. Where have I heard that number before ?
https://www.atrainceu.com/content/2-history-and-pathology-measles
Even still...Merck and GlaxoSmithKline manufacture the MMR vaccine
Didn't this outbreak occur after MMR vax was administered to large number of people? As I recall MMR is the one most closely related to autism and "sids".
I will never trust any vaccine again - the government and drug companies have ruined me on all of them.
We all got the MMR vax in my childhood, pretty much the only one we did get.
MMR vaccine is actually banned in Japan.
There is something about combining all three shots that makes it so instances of injury or autism go up.
All three should be separated received if you receive them at all.
Well a lot has changed since the 1950s. For the worse, in terms of protecting children from real threats.
This! ☝🏻 And I believe people have gone to bat to try and get pharma to separate them, or give parents the option at least, to give the vaccines separately and they refuse to have that even be an option. So that begs the question, why!? It’s also almost impossible to get the TDAP vaccines given separately. So, if you believe you might have been exposed to tetanus, or you would just like to stay up to date on your tetanus vax, you can no longer do so. You also have to get vaccinated for Dipheria and Pertussis at the same time because all 3 are given as one unit just like the MMR. It’s so dumb and totally sketch! I know about the TDAP b/c my sister inlaw, who was wise to the harm of vaccines a long time ago, did want to give her child the tetanus shot and only the tetanus shot, but she couldn’t find a doctors office that would give that vaccine alone like they used to. 🤷🏼♀️
They still give the vaccines in three separate shots. Which, ironically, increases their exposure to adjuvants, which many people believe to be the cause of the problems.
So, big question. If the US went the same way Japan did on this, and broke the vaccines down into separate ones (and increase the amount of adjuvants kids were exposed to via the shots), would you support that?
And you don't feel that we should discuss openly, investigate and resolve the very real correlation between it and autism before blindly pushing it on the population for a relatively minor disease?
How did you get that idea??
The MMR of the 1950s did not cause autism etc . . .
Now they want BABIES to get vaxxd for Hepatitis?!? And dozens of other excuses.
Didn’t they give those shots separately though? In the 1950’s? Combining all 3 started around the 80’s/90’s and the harm it can cause has something to do with giving all 3 shots as one unit. That’s when all the problems started w/ autism, etc. Or that’s my understanding of it as to why we started to see a spike of vaxx injuries in the late 80’s and on.
Especially considering that there weren't any vaccines for measles, mumps, or rubella in the 1950s. 🙄
Don't know what I exactly got, but that is what I thought I got. Anyway, whatever I got was ok.
With all due respect...maybe you should sit out discussions about vaccines when you don't even know what vaccines you have gotten yourself.
And I do mean that as kindly as possible. It's just that whenever people enter discussions that they're not fully informed about, whatever they say casts doubts on everything everyone in the group says.
I see so much stuff that's just outright wrong get spread around, and everytime someone is able to blast holes in an argument because of that type of thing , it hurts the entire group.
Credibility is the biggest obstacle standing between normies and the truth, and we don't need to compromise it if we don't have to.
So, with as much love in my heart as I'm capable of feeling, I'm trying to, as gently as possible, suggest that if you're not sure what you're talking about is factual, maybe sit this one out until you know your facts are solid.
OK if I do not know where to dig out my vax records from the 1950s! I got what was standard back then which was NOT VERY MUCH. Which is my point.
My kid did get MMR in the 90s but also not MUCH ELSE.
Just do not get all the over the top multi many excessive vaxs they want for kids now.
That is my point. So we agree.
Well, maybe look up with what was standard back then, for starters...
The one you got back then wasn't filled with modern adjuvants. The adjuvants are the issue. I'm all for INOCULATION, but dead set against VACCINES.
I agree.
Exactly this!! ☝🏻
I've seen a couple of posts from WebMD promoting the MMR on fakebook this week. I wonder if outbreaks are among those who received MRNA shots. Generally, measles and mumps are considered minor childhood illnesses, but I suppose they could be pretty serious if one's immune system was damaged. But, I don't see how the MMR could help those people.
MMR has been around a long time. Before MRNA I think. But I am old enough to remember when the 3 types of measles and mumps were a normal part of childhood.
Times have certainly changed. As a child, we knew we would get the measles and mumps but we wanted it to be during the school term so you had an excuse to stay home. Unfortunately, I go them all during summer vacation so no benefit at all.
Are you old enough that polio was a normal part of your childhood, too?
Here's the whole article which I think we should read carefully.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-jr-measles-outbreak-call-action-all-us
Thank you for posting this! Holy fuck it's astounding that this conversation is happening at all just due to a FUCKING HEADLINE. What has happened to this place??
Edit: oh, lookey here at what RFK Jr said in this article "Tens of thousands died with, or of, measles annually in 19th Century America. By 1960 -- before the vaccine’s introduction -- improvements in sanitation and nutrition had eliminated 98% of measles deaths. Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses. Vitamins A, C, and D, and foods rich in vitamins B12, C, and E should be part of a balanced diet."
Y'all who want to freak out over a headline, see how he pointed out that 98% of measles deaths were eliminated before the vax?
Yeah, I did a quick search and found that the measles vaxx was introduced in 1963, and wasn't combined with mumps and rubella until 1971.
Wonder if data exists on 1963-1971?
That, and oral and IV rehydration, Tylenol for fever reduction, antibiotics for bacterial pneumonia (one of the biggest complications of the measles) and steroids for things like encephalitis (another complication).
But yeah, better diet and improved sanitation did play a part. I just think it's disingenuous to ignore all the other differences of healthcare in the 1800s vs healthcare in the mid 1900s.
TBH I don't really trust any of these fuckers.
Like some of the things they do? Sure.
Hope and want? Yes.
Expectations? A very tenuous and conditional maybe.
Trust? Fuck no!
I had measles and mumps and chicken pox and it was all just fine.
We have given the kids Sambucol at the onset of chicken pox which resulted in very mild cases. Has anyone tried elderberry for measles??
"We must engage with communities to understand their concerns, provide culturally competent education, and make vaccines readily accessible for all those who want them."
He's laying the groundwork, people.
Does anyone know the history of the measles vaxx and can share? When did we lump it into the MMR?
I heard on X22 or And We Know the other day that there were only like 4 people that died from measles in the last 40 years. So scary 🙄
Imagine him going against mmr shots during this fake outbreak? Combat tactics Mr Ryan
Seems like it would be the perfect time to do so seeing as how he's never changed the stance once against it..
We (the people who are skeptical about vaccine) are a majority now, no need for 'strategies'. We are not children, they need to come out an explain clearly the advantage and disadvantage. Make taking the MMR vaccine voluntary, and remove the immunity from manufactures. Let the people make their own decisions. No more games.
I think the games are just beginning. Elon keeps saying mRNA can cure illnesses but he won’t talk about worming parasites.
Anyone who doesn’t address the cause. I have zero trust in.
If we're the majority now, why do the vast majority of parents still get their kids vaccinated?
Or are only liberals having kids now?
An attenuated virus in traditional vaccines and the mRna nanotechnology are two different things. Also I think RFK has been pointing to the sheer scope and frequency of traditional vaccines that could be rising at the same rate of autism, not that the science itself is faulty.
When Andrew Wakefield was doing his research on the MMR vaccine, he found a high incidence of autism among the vaccinated. This led to his professional crucifixion and he suffered immensely. He left England and now is in America.
He published a terrible study (n=8) and faked the data at that. He did a terrible disservice by giving the vaxxers ammo against the voices of dissent. He rightly lost his license.
By the CDC's own data, there is no measles outbreak. This is just another manufactured crisis for the assumption of "emergency powers."
I seen that data in passing, you have a link to the post or som
I have this png, but not the original source: https://files.catbox.moe/jw0pj7.png
Here’s how we used to handle measles …
https://x.com/legates_pepe/status/1896581764983988615?s=12
I believe he had to accept some conditions in order to get the votes needed to be confirmed. I imagine one of the conditions is to not undermine the current policies of HHS until scientific testing confirms the policies should be changed.
I don't like it, but that's probably what is going on here.
Inconsistency in the present, combined with corruption of the past..... they hope we'll beg for AI controlled government.
Hmmm, maybe he has to bite the bullet and promote it just like Trump had to promote the covid jab.
Imagine the optics if RFK Jr doesn't endorse it then the measles outbreak kills 100s. Maybe in a case like this with an actual measles threat, the benefit outweighs the risks for once. Or perhaps it's 7d chess and Normies might be protected and turned away from the MMR jab because Bobby is promoting it. But i'm just as puzzled as you.
The AI mentions a measles symptom I never heard of before.
"Koplik spots, which are small red rings with blue-white centers that appear inside the mouth"
Weird. Whose flag is blue and white?
Sores just look different on mucus membranes .
Well, don't forget that whole "small red rings" in there. Whose flags are red, white, and blue?
www.foxnews.com/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-jr-measles-outbreak-call-action-all-us.amp
"Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons."
"Parents play a pivotal role in safeguarding their children’s health. All parents should consult with their healthcare providers to understand their options to get the MMR vaccine. The decision to vaccinate is a personal one. Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons."
Or smart enough to know to avoid them. They wouldn't be that EVIL , WOULD THEY?
Wait. I'm confused. Who are you calling evil?
Are you saying that people whose children don't have contraindications for vaccines (such as cancer patients, patients who have had organ transplants, severe allergies to components of the vaccine (eggs being a main one) or on high dose steroids and immunosuppresents) are evil (although smart) for not vaccinating, relying on everyone else to risk their own children by vaccinating them, in order to maintain herd immunity, thereby benefiting from everyone else getting vaccinated?
"The current Texas outbreak has predominantly affected children, with 116 of the 146 cases occurring in individuals under 18 years of age. The DSHS reports that 79 of the confirmed cases involved individuals who had not received the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, while 62 cases had unknown vaccine status. At least five had received an MMR vaccine." AT LEAST 5.
Article also mentions Vit A as important against death from measles.
So 141 immigrants without vaccines (no report of deaths) and 5 MMR FAILUREs
And people want the vaccines WHY ?
Edit : Mennonites . But vaccine still failed in the 5 cases
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-measles-outbreak-mennonites-2034627
Wait. All those were immigrants? I must have missed that part of the story.
Where does it say they were all immigrants?
In you last 27 days here I am certain that you have learned much. But it is interesting that your focus is on Vaccines. Why would that be ?
I've been here since this place started. You are aware that you can make new names, surely?
You don't think vaccines are important enough to be discussed?
can make ≠ need to make
My mistake : Mennonites . But vaccine still failed in the 5 cases
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-measles-outbreak-mennonites-2034627
This may help you advocate for a vaccine that isn't even effective:
"However, a 1989 measles outbreaks among vaccinated school-aged children prompted the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and the American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) to recommend a second dose of MMR vaccine for all children. Following widespread implementation of this recommendation and improvements in first-dose MMR vaccine coverage, reported measles cases declined even more."
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html
Why do you think I'm advocating for vaccines?
It's like that old riddle:
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
Reform takes time, and RFK can't die on every hill in his first month.
Patience, Grasshopper. Patience.
Anyone know where RFK (or whoever) is getting this information about only 2% of measles cases needing hospitalization in 1960?
Because everything I can find is saying the hospitalization rate was around 25% of reported cases. There were around 500,000 reported cases in 1960, and estimates go as high as there being over 1,000,000 cases, but only half of them were reported (the other half being minor cases that didn't even need a doctor's visit.)