There are enough talented people out there to do the job well. A close friend who taught inner City kids down in North Carolina completely changed the trajectory of his class by focusing on critical thinking on his classroom..
Exactly, that’s the name. I am so happy to hear this. They don’t teach, they indoctrinate kids and the evildoers know kids can have their brain wash easily, but I don’t know nowadays. Kids are getting smarter by the day and they know what is good for them.
It still amazes me that judges - the judicial branch - think they can overthrow the executive branch.
Literally this is their job to understand how they can't do that. Every judge that has attempted to usurp control of other branches of government should be instantly disqualified from holding any government position forever.
The Department of Education is an Executive agency. Every department of EVERYTHING, every agency, et cetera. All of them are Executive agencies.
The President, as the top executive of the executive branch, has the power to hire and fire every single one of his employees. Thats the Presidents job. He can't write laws or pass them, he can only rubber stamp already passed laws, or veto them for further review and be overturned if lawmakers outnumber his opinion. Thats the full extent of his legal capacity. No judge power. Limited lawmaking power to veto to request another vote. And then all the rest of his power is executive. Hire and fire, budget and spend, cut and dissolve.
Judges can't. They can't force Executives to spend more money. Or hire more people. Or fire more people. They can only interpret law. And teh Constitution is very plain-law specific about the separations of powers and what the Executive Branch is, versus what judges are.
Congress might step in too, which will be interesting. Then again that might blow up in their faces if the usual loudmouths try to overstep from Congress because their control is limited to granting the money to fund executive agencies - because in the past almost all Presidents were on the "spend more, grow more government" plan. They have no prepared response to an executive branch exercising its authority to NOT spend money. And it can't be forced to spend more. Congress has always had the power to limit the President's budget - but they have never had the authority to demand a President do more spending than he has asked for. All they can do is approve requests for more money. maybe try to pass new laws... but since the Constitution is clearly defining what they can't do (and in fact in a recent SCOTUS decision the Court actually says Congress has to explicitly define an Executive Agency's powers - so unless the DOE is already clearly defined in explicitly written law its already unconstitutional making its downsizing a necessity and judges who oppose even less legally literate.
Literally only review. "Is that an executive function as defined by the Constitution? Is that an executive authority granted by Congress?"
When it comes to closing its own agencies, the Executive has all authority here. There is no law, no COnstitutional Mandate saying "President can't close agencies President has created. President cant fire people President has hired."
The very idea of judges trying to pretend otherwise is laughable. They only prove they are unfit to serve.
Judicial have zero authority to do anything more than review. Activist judges melting down right now trying to write laws after their Roe V Wade hero story came crashing down. No law was ever passed making Roe a legal decision - and even after its overturn, where SCOTUS demanded Congress write a law just saying it on paper for real, Congress refused despite their party having the President and both halves of Congress.
Can you feel it building? All these biased judges blocking Trump at every turn? The libs believe they can play and win the game as they have for years. But this time it's different. Either Scotus will over rule them of they will begin to be impeached and the house of cards will fall. The Great Awakening.
I used to hold the position that we should be cautious in impeaching judges. I changed my mind when Sandra Day O'Connor said that she would allow affirmative action to remain, but would rule otherwise in 25 years.
If no changes in our constitution. That would mean she was substituting her opinion for the constitution. I now think we should be quick to impeach them. It is a high hurdle for conviction, so let that be the slowing, and not our self containment.
The salt mining is going to be delicious! DOE gets something like $200 billion a year and spends maybe 20% on educating kids. The rest goes to leftwing causes and groups, DEI bullshit, exec salaries, etc. It's long been a slush fund for leftist groups. Ending DOE is long overdue.
BREAKING: Judge Phil McCracken of Traffic Court in Bumphuck, Maine has blocked the E.O. from Trump and ordered the doubling of the size of the Department of Education, effective April 1
I'm not sure if he can or not, though. What I've been reading from constitutional lawyers is saying that he doesn't have absolute power in all cases. I'm sure you can understand how complex constitutional law is, and that it's rarely a clear cut "yes" or "no" answer.
Basically what they're saying is:
Political Appointees in DOE (e.g., Secretary of Education, Deputy Secretary, Assistant Secretaries) can be fired at will.
Career Civil Service Employees (e.g., policy analysts, administrators, grant managers, researchers, etc.) have job protections and can only be removed for cause (e.g., misconduct, poor performance), following due process.
Not only that, but if President Trump does indeed have the power to fire everyone in that department and never refill their positions, then that means he has the same power over all the executive departments.
It begs the question that if he has the power to do this...why hasn't he ever done so?
As a reminder, here are all 15 of the Executive Departments:
Department of State, Department of the Treasury, Department of Defense, Department of Justice, Department of the Interior, Department of Agriculture, Department of Commerce, Department of Labor, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Transportation, Department of Energy, Department of Education, Department of Veterans Affairs, Department of Homeland Security
If he was simply able to fire everyone in these departments, that would solve a hell of a lot of our problems and would fulfill so many of his promises.
So, again, if it's that simple, why has he never chosen to do so?
That was definitely one of the crazier parts of the first term - realizing that under current “law”, the “president” can’t hire, fire, or command most of the “Executive” branch.
The Schedule F amendment seems to be a massive improvement, though I don’t know the specifics.
Yeah, so much has happened since his first term it's like people have forgotten that we've already had these conversations before.
President Trump wasn't pushing to completely dismantle the DOE during his first term, but he did trim it down, and there were a lot of fights in Congress over it.
And it wasn't just the DOE he trimmed during his first term. He cut out a lot of jobs through the various departments.
The big difference between then and now is that he's saying he wants to eliminate the departments completely, and he's pushing hard for it.
People seem to have forgotten all the legal arguments the democrats put up to block his efforts during his first term.
It was a long, hard, uphill battle to cut what he was able to during his first term.
I don't know why people think this term it's going to be as simple as him signing an EO and suddenly entire departments are going to cease to exist.
If it was really as simple and as cut and dried as signing an EO, we could have done away with all this foolishness 8 years ago.
Has anyone asked Grok if President Trump has the authority to do this? I don't have X premium, so I asked ChatGPT, and I know anything it comes up with saying he doesn't will automatically be dismissed here. Since I've seen many people use Grok and it not be automatically shot down, I'd like to know what it says.
Unsurprisingly, ChatGPT says the President doesn't have absolute authority on this. That's what I've been seeing from other places as well.
So, I guess we'll see whether or not if he does very soon. Either he signs this EO tomorrow, and that's it (assuming the EO does indeed intend to completely shut down the DOE immediately) and the DOE is shut down, or he signs the EO, and it gets held up by judges and then it either just slowly dies there, or the judges say that it has to be approved by Congress (which would need every Republican vote along with at least 7 democrat votes as well for it to pass). If I'm missing a glaringly obvious other route, please let me know.
My money is that judges block it and send it to Congress, where it fails. Or perhaps wait two years, hoping that we gain at least 7 seats in the Senate after midterm elections (which I think would be very unlikely at this time, but who knows where we will be in 2 years).
I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer or dooming here. I'm just being pragmatic. I'm not a big believer in copium or hopium or whatever it's called. Been burned too many times before by it. 😕
The MSM is in a tail spin this morning over it. They're spewing made up facts about all the good it's done, which is a total lie. Also, they're interviewing teachers unions (LOL) who are 100% agents it. I wonder why? The DOE is a slush fund for the dems and has been since it was set up in 1979. An activist judge will 100% try to injunct this within hours of the EO being signed, just watch.
The Department of Indoctrination.
Yes!
They need to have a whole class on critical thinking.
Absolutely!
But they can't teach what they dont know. First many teachers need to learn it.
There are enough talented people out there to do the job well. A close friend who taught inner City kids down in North Carolina completely changed the trajectory of his class by focusing on critical thinking on his classroom..
I’d like to think I’m decent at it, but can’t explain what it is or how to do it other than WWWWWH and some legitimate logical fallacy evaluations.
This will be another slave chain broken!
I am excited to see what the future of education can be for all the children and young adults.
Or... better known as the Department of Edwemakashun...
Prussians...
Exactly, that’s the name. I am so happy to hear this. They don’t teach, they indoctrinate kids and the evildoers know kids can have their brain wash easily, but I don’t know nowadays. Kids are getting smarter by the day and they know what is good for them.
Wow that is big news. Some Activist Judge will surely step in and tell Trump to take a long walk off a short pier.
It still amazes me that judges - the judicial branch - think they can overthrow the executive branch.
Literally this is their job to understand how they can't do that. Every judge that has attempted to usurp control of other branches of government should be instantly disqualified from holding any government position forever.
The Department of Education is an Executive agency. Every department of EVERYTHING, every agency, et cetera. All of them are Executive agencies.
The President, as the top executive of the executive branch, has the power to hire and fire every single one of his employees. Thats the Presidents job. He can't write laws or pass them, he can only rubber stamp already passed laws, or veto them for further review and be overturned if lawmakers outnumber his opinion. Thats the full extent of his legal capacity. No judge power. Limited lawmaking power to veto to request another vote. And then all the rest of his power is executive. Hire and fire, budget and spend, cut and dissolve.
Judges can't. They can't force Executives to spend more money. Or hire more people. Or fire more people. They can only interpret law. And teh Constitution is very plain-law specific about the separations of powers and what the Executive Branch is, versus what judges are.
Congress might step in too, which will be interesting. Then again that might blow up in their faces if the usual loudmouths try to overstep from Congress because their control is limited to granting the money to fund executive agencies - because in the past almost all Presidents were on the "spend more, grow more government" plan. They have no prepared response to an executive branch exercising its authority to NOT spend money. And it can't be forced to spend more. Congress has always had the power to limit the President's budget - but they have never had the authority to demand a President do more spending than he has asked for. All they can do is approve requests for more money. maybe try to pass new laws... but since the Constitution is clearly defining what they can't do (and in fact in a recent SCOTUS decision the Court actually says Congress has to explicitly define an Executive Agency's powers - so unless the DOE is already clearly defined in explicitly written law its already unconstitutional making its downsizing a necessity and judges who oppose even less legally literate.
What authority does the judiciary actually have on the president, constitutionally?
I keep looking back at Andrew Jackson’s assertion of “ok, now enforce that ruling.”
Literally only review. "Is that an executive function as defined by the Constitution? Is that an executive authority granted by Congress?"
When it comes to closing its own agencies, the Executive has all authority here. There is no law, no COnstitutional Mandate saying "President can't close agencies President has created. President cant fire people President has hired." The very idea of judges trying to pretend otherwise is laughable. They only prove they are unfit to serve.
Judicial have zero authority to do anything more than review. Activist judges melting down right now trying to write laws after their Roe V Wade hero story came crashing down. No law was ever passed making Roe a legal decision - and even after its overturn, where SCOTUS demanded Congress write a law just saying it on paper for real, Congress refused despite their party having the President and both halves of Congress.
They're impotent. And loudly announcing it.
Can you feel it building? All these biased judges blocking Trump at every turn? The libs believe they can play and win the game as they have for years. But this time it's different. Either Scotus will over rule them of they will begin to be impeached and the house of cards will fall. The Great Awakening.
I used to hold the position that we should be cautious in impeaching judges. I changed my mind when Sandra Day O'Connor said that she would allow affirmative action to remain, but would rule otherwise in 25 years.
If no changes in our constitution. That would mean she was substituting her opinion for the constitution. I now think we should be quick to impeach them. It is a high hurdle for conviction, so let that be the slowing, and not our self containment.
When will these judges be stopped !
Probably but why bother..an EO by an elected lib brings it back
The salt mining is going to be delicious! DOE gets something like $200 billion a year and spends maybe 20% on educating kids. The rest goes to leftwing causes and groups, DEI bullshit, exec salaries, etc. It's long been a slush fund for leftist groups. Ending DOE is long overdue.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/03/17/rep_harriet_hageman_doge_is_uncovering_.html
https://youtu.be/tjDbPcP62rw?t=1972 (for those who don't want to visit the site, but want to watch the video)
YES!
At least a trillion has gone into DOE from the lotto. Shows how much money buys in regards to teaching
BREAKING: Judge Phil McCracken of Traffic Court in Bumphuck, Maine has blocked the E.O. from Trump and ordered the doubling of the size of the Department of Education, effective April 1
Judge Hugh Janus demands that Department of Education be placed in charge of the Executive Branch... and that the President works under them. :-)
The honorable Judge Shlomo McDiddlerStein residing
The Right Honorable Sukhon Dheesnutsbyoocha has decreed that All Your Base Are Belong to Us, effective immediately.
Please, Sir, follow this up by ending the ATF.
👏
Pretty sure DoE was created by legislation, not an EO.
He CAN, however, fire absolutely everyone and never fill the vacant positions.
I'm okay with that.
Besides, fuck the Swamp.
I'm not sure if he can or not, though. What I've been reading from constitutional lawyers is saying that he doesn't have absolute power in all cases. I'm sure you can understand how complex constitutional law is, and that it's rarely a clear cut "yes" or "no" answer.
Basically what they're saying is:
Political Appointees in DOE (e.g., Secretary of Education, Deputy Secretary, Assistant Secretaries) can be fired at will.
Career Civil Service Employees (e.g., policy analysts, administrators, grant managers, researchers, etc.) have job protections and can only be removed for cause (e.g., misconduct, poor performance), following due process.
Not only that, but if President Trump does indeed have the power to fire everyone in that department and never refill their positions, then that means he has the same power over all the executive departments.
It begs the question that if he has the power to do this...why hasn't he ever done so?
As a reminder, here are all 15 of the Executive Departments:
Department of State, Department of the Treasury, Department of Defense, Department of Justice, Department of the Interior, Department of Agriculture, Department of Commerce, Department of Labor, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Housing and Urban Development, Department of Transportation, Department of Energy, Department of Education, Department of Veterans Affairs, Department of Homeland Security
If he was simply able to fire everyone in these departments, that would solve a hell of a lot of our problems and would fulfill so many of his promises.
So, again, if it's that simple, why has he never chosen to do so?
I agree with you.
I just remembered between my comment and yours that Q said it must be done by the book, or it won't be able to stick.
So as much as I want Trump to have his Caesar moment...the Plan does not call for that.
Exactly. We've been told that a few times, I think, that everything must be done by the book.
I understand how badly we all want this, but I think we all need to not let that cloud our reasoning in the matter.
✌️
That was definitely one of the crazier parts of the first term - realizing that under current “law”, the “president” can’t hire, fire, or command most of the “Executive” branch.
The Schedule F amendment seems to be a massive improvement, though I don’t know the specifics.
Yeah, so much has happened since his first term it's like people have forgotten that we've already had these conversations before.
President Trump wasn't pushing to completely dismantle the DOE during his first term, but he did trim it down, and there were a lot of fights in Congress over it.
And it wasn't just the DOE he trimmed during his first term. He cut out a lot of jobs through the various departments.
The big difference between then and now is that he's saying he wants to eliminate the departments completely, and he's pushing hard for it.
People seem to have forgotten all the legal arguments the democrats put up to block his efforts during his first term.
It was a long, hard, uphill battle to cut what he was able to during his first term.
I don't know why people think this term it's going to be as simple as him signing an EO and suddenly entire departments are going to cease to exist.
If it was really as simple and as cut and dried as signing an EO, we could have done away with all this foolishness 8 years ago.
Looks like DC is an 'at will employment' district.
Now do the IRS
Can't delete a three letter agency without it fighting back hard. This should be.....interesting
Abolish the IRS before April 15th too!!!! Someone @realdonaldtrump on this pls!!!
Maybe the NEA will go bankrupt.
Can't stand Laura. Arrogant and hostile towards Trump. Don't need it. I wish he would have given the scoop to someone else.
I understand the feeling about Ingraham but these things may have less impact (or exposure) coming from a sycophant.
I think DOE should be history because 99% of public education is at the local level.
But doesn't shutting down the DOE need Congressional vote?
Yes
Love this!
Has anyone asked Grok if President Trump has the authority to do this? I don't have X premium, so I asked ChatGPT, and I know anything it comes up with saying he doesn't will automatically be dismissed here. Since I've seen many people use Grok and it not be automatically shot down, I'd like to know what it says.
Unsurprisingly, ChatGPT says the President doesn't have absolute authority on this. That's what I've been seeing from other places as well.
So, I guess we'll see whether or not if he does very soon. Either he signs this EO tomorrow, and that's it (assuming the EO does indeed intend to completely shut down the DOE immediately) and the DOE is shut down, or he signs the EO, and it gets held up by judges and then it either just slowly dies there, or the judges say that it has to be approved by Congress (which would need every Republican vote along with at least 7 democrat votes as well for it to pass). If I'm missing a glaringly obvious other route, please let me know.
My money is that judges block it and send it to Congress, where it fails. Or perhaps wait two years, hoping that we gain at least 7 seats in the Senate after midterm elections (which I think would be very unlikely at this time, but who knows where we will be in 2 years).
I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer or dooming here. I'm just being pragmatic. I'm not a big believer in copium or hopium or whatever it's called. Been burned too many times before by it. 😕
He can mess with it but can't eliminate it. Congress created it. Plus a lib Potus will EO all the positions back
Someone please help me.
Which u / #gif expresses sufficient joy at this?
Looking for more sources but here's one:
https://www.fox28spokane.com/trump-is-planning-to-order-a-shutdown-of-the-education-department-heres-what-it-does/
Which Judge will now stop this?
Have they reared their ugly head yet?
The MSM is in a tail spin this morning over it. They're spewing made up facts about all the good it's done, which is a total lie. Also, they're interviewing teachers unions (LOL) who are 100% agents it. I wonder why? The DOE is a slush fund for the dems and has been since it was set up in 1979. An activist judge will 100% try to injunct this within hours of the EO being signed, just watch.
Now let real education begin.
I remember when I was in school there was no Department of Education until high school.
We survived just fine if not better.