Yeah... I will believe it when I see it. An indicator that this is hopium, the premise is based on tariffs, when it should be based on the fact that income tax is unconstitutional.
Normies are getting tired of the maybe sorta kinda (obviously comms and will probably happen, but takes forever) promises and being told how good the economy is and how you might maybe get a $5,000 DOGE check and a $2,000 rebate check but not really but surely shit. I think this would work far better if it all just happened out of the blue and not mentioned.
The only thing that might be unConstitutional about the 16th Amendment is the very questionable way it was ratified.
Yes but this is somewhat akin to saying the only thing wrong with these beautiful, perfect, handmade shoes is that they are three sizes too small.
The illegal ratification makes the amendment null and void, for Step 1. Then, besides that, money earned from labor is not "income" in the way the Founders envisioned; you traded hours of your life for that money; it was a fair exchange; you didn't profit. So no taxable income there.
Their right to do it was not exercised. They illegally forced it upon us. Tje founders NEVER gave congress the right to tax income. Why, because any idiot who has an income being taxed should know thats slavery and no profit is gained when u worked for it. As zero delta points.out.
The series of events of historical truths that are intentionally by deign to be suppressed and not taught in institutions of higher educations (K-12 and beyond) to our children? The elites openly said they didn’t want intelligent workers, just obedient ones along with their long term plans to eventually replace/eradicate them….
If this board doesn't know by now that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is a psyop, we're doomed.
I said to someone on this very board the other day that Lincoln was an epic tyrant and that he provoked the War Between the States deliberately. He came back with the usual Saint Lincoln BS. I didn't bother to correct him since it would have disrupted the main thread, but people need to understand HOW history is researched and validated. Sadly, most don't.
Have you learned nothing about maga amd trump? Incime taxes and MAGA are not compatable. Yeah it unconstitutional, however it would be ignorantly stupid to strip it away without replacing the income. Tarriffs are the constitutional means to fund government. I believe trump. If taxes stay then maga is total bullshit. O so not think maga is bullshit. Do you?
A couple weeks back we were supposed to be getting $2000 each. Then it was announced that won’t happen until 2026. If Trump manages to end income tax, it’ll happen in 2027 and in 2029 we will have a new president that will implement it again!
But that's the issue anyway, isn't it? It's not like income tax being ended in 2025 vs 2026 0r 2027 or 2028 will save it from the next president reinstating it. It's not like if it's a law for a couple more years will make it irrevocable.
Yes and IRS does not fund our government. The money mostly goes to the British Crown, the Vatican and the int’l bankers.
The gov. is actually funded through the DoJ taking money from convicted criminals’ trust funds, which are created by the gov when you are born. They registered you as a gov slave when they gave you a social security number and created a “strawman” that is your name but spelled in ALL CAPS. Also, I suspect they take some money out at tax time from everybody’s account, no conviction needed.
I know this seems wild to even folks on this board, but from what I can tell, it’s true. You can look up your social # on a CUSIP lookup website and see how they’ve traded “you” (really your stawman). I’ve seen it myself. “You” are traded overnight like a stock/security. Anytime you get a college degree, for example, they create a new CUSIP # for you and trade that too.
The IRS/Fed were created to collect money from us due to the government’s bankruptcy in the 1930s, during the deliberately engineered Great Depression. Our whole nation was placed in receivership.
Obviously, Trump can’t explain all this through the fake news media, so he has to come up with shorthand explanations like “tariffs will fund the gov” instead. Basically, he’s trying to get us back on the Constitution, end the bankruptcy, remove the IRS and hopefully the Fed, return to Constitutional money and reconfigure the economy and more. It’s a big lift, especially for 1 term. We’ll have to see what happens.
Now do property taxes...must pull the tax weed out at the root.
Watched a very elderly lady at a local town board meeting, crying that she can't pay these tax increases on her home with her small fixed income. She is getting notices of the high interest added to her balance that she is unable to pay with a warning that her home could be seized to pay the tax bill.
Enough is enough, tar and feathers is too good for these creatures in government.
I think this will happen and it will be sooner than a couple of years. It’s an exciting idea because everyone will have so much more money and INCENTIVE to work. It would cycle in a “new age” and lift everyone up. Crime would decrease dramatically because there’s less need to steal and less time to do it since there are real benefits to working for your future and your family.
Yes, and you will STILL have TDS infected leftists crying about who will pay for their transgender operations. At least there will be more center-left people who will wake up and realize Trump is doing them a favor and making their lives better.
Now, fix voter rolls and elections and the country will be good to go.
I have been talking about this one for a while now. I predicted this would be one of the core parts of Trump's economic platform on the domestic side. Once the tariffs were announced, it became very apparent that they were the vehicle the administration intended to use to replace that funding. Lutnick in particular has dropped a lot of lines about this, both cryptic and more direct.
My current mapping is something like this: *on the POLITICS side, I think Trump intends to let BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans continue to bludgeon one another until both sides are bloody husks. Obviously the weapon of choice most recently has been the Epstein documents, but rest assured between now and the midterms Democrats will dredge something up out of the swamp that's better suited to smear and take out Republicans with. It might not even matter, since the Republicans are already taking major heat from their inaction on the economy and the general refusal to fight back and make any progress - the same way it ALWAYS is when they get power.
There is by now a significant level of understanding among everyday Americans that when push comes to shove, NEITHER side can be counted on to do what is in the best interests of the country or the citizens. They might not be able to articulate it as the Uniparty or give a specific rundown of what they're all engaged in, there's a threshold of simply KNOWING that we can now see a great deal of the American people have crossed beyond.
That's why the well dries up immediately when any of these jokers strike out on their own. Its very obvious, perhaps never more so than earlier this November: without Trump, NO ONE is coming over for the party. Before now I think Trump tried to use this feature in an educational way. To make the obstinate ones (RINOs) think twice and pull them back into the fold. He used to show the power of his endorsement with the voters as a way to challenge their loyalty to that Uniparty system and all the benefits it tempts them with, personal financial gain and the privileges of the powerful that men like Epstein could provide... all of that.
You know what though? I think he's DONE with that. I think he's been DISGUSTED with the way both house and Senate Majority have conducted themselves during the last year in moments like the BBB Bill and the recissions passing and he's ready to hang them out to dry alongside the Democrats. He knows that the overwhelming sentiment is fear and hatred towards him, and that they are looking forward to when Trump and MAGA are out of office and lack the control and power they have now.
So on the Democrat side, they are going to be outed in one scandal after another, as we're seeing with the Epstein releases. That will work on eroding what little credibility is left among them and make voters fundamentally incapable of voting for them, based on the corruption and greed alone. Its coming down the pike every day now.
But likewise I think you are going to see a lot of the "professed MAGA supporters" among the Republican coalition get swept right out along with the other side. I think Trump is going to hold out his endorsements for many of the current crowd and you're going to see A LOT, and I mean A WHOLE LOT of fresh new faces getting Trump endorsements and winning in primary races around the country. He wants people who are beyond the temptations of pure self-interest that will back him to the hilt with no questions asked or bargaining required.
This is the era of authenticity in politics - its what people are craving and Trump was the first one to satisfy that urge. Now there is no going back - we want our leaders to be America First on the principle of it being the right thing to do, and no hoops should need to be jumped.
Makes for a scary sounding midterm, though doesn't it? So how does Trump also ENSURE people don't start voting in Democrats?
This is the ECONOMY side. As I see it, there's really NOTHING that can take immediate pressure off of the affordability crisis and the new normal of inflation we've just gone through in the past 4 years EXCEPT for radical reduction of the Federal income tax. My feeling is that this is coming near term as it would be the best and most pragmatic way to combat inflation for the low and middle class.
I think income tax will probably remain for a top percentage of earners - top 10% perhaps - and that they rest of us will get a drastically simplified system where no tax is collected and we keep MORE of our money on our checks every payday. Further I think this will be coupled with some sort of yearly payout based on tariff revenue as way to simulate the money people have come to expect from their Federal refund - they will want to offset that some how, so that being able to keep more of your own income doesn't feel punitive when you don't get that small windfall of a refund, which many plan for and put towards bigger ticket purchases like car repairs etc.
This is just my guess, but I am figuring this is coming fairly soon. Trump NEEDS a win on the inflation and affordability issue, and the stock market surging just isn't enough, Main Street has become too separated from it. Abolishing the income tax is a big WIN NOW, and provides immediate and direct relief to the folks who need it - the same ones who follow him and vote for him time and again.
Of course, getting rid of it for good would require a vote of Congress, since its an amendment to the Constitution... so does this become a chicken or the egg question, and Trump would actually require a LARGER majority in both houses to get it done in the first place?
Maybe a tariff check is coming first.
Expect to hear about the rigged election in 2020 and the root causes in the near term, as well as continued battles on redistricting - that is a crucial fight we have to win.
Okay, just wanted to wax poetic on my theory for a bit, hope its worth the time you took to read it. Godspeed all.
Agreed dm! I told our investment professional way back in PDJT's first Term that Income Tax was going away for almost all and I'm sure he thought I was crazy. Kek! I know my husband was doubtful, but it is SWEET INDEED!
The IRS was a creation of the FED in order to collect on their debt slavery gained wealth. To me, ALL debt to the FED should be renounced as illegally obtained by fomenting wars all over the world and murdering anyone (Lincoln, JFK) who got in their way. Same thing w/ Chinese bonds. The CCP is at (bio and econ asymmetrical) WAR with America. I don't feel ANY obligation to pay them back. After you declare those 2, create a new gold/asset/crypto backed currency ISSUED BY THE US TREASURY, NOT an Evil Rothschild bank that wants to KILL you....
This alone will set the rest of the world ALIGHT, probably bring down governments world wide as citizens demand to also not have income tax for salary/wage workers (at least, below a certain level).
It will be HUGE if it happens.
Eliminating the income tax will put a lot of tax preparers out of business. Boo hooo. And bye bye IRS gestapo.
And think of how much money is trapped inside IRAs and 401K's. That money suddenly becomes available without having to take a "loan" from your own retirement account. This is economic rocket fuel.
If they pull that bullshit of "bonuses and no taxes for everyone making less than 100k" there are going to be a lot of pissed people out there. If you live in a major metropolitan area those income numbers are likely middle class not "rich". Every damned stimulus check, tax break over the past decade has screwed over the urban middle class. Make the tax cuts fair for all brackets!! Progressive taxes have always been the most unAmerican thing about America. We should encourage success, not punish it!
It would be easy to eliminate the first $150K on a household’s taxable income. Would require about $250B from the tariff kitty. I expect the tariff income to be between $600B and $1T a year.
And with the Trump economy and policies, we will have a lot more producers and a lot less takers. Helping to close the budget gap quickly.
By the way, the CBO doesn’t seem to be able to do basic math.
Democrat state governors are licking their chops. If Trump eliminates the Federal income tax, they will raise their state taxes in equal measure. They will see it as a way to grab the money and justify it by saying the taxpayers won't pay more in overall taxes than the prior year. Trump needs to head them off by declaring any State or local taxing authorities that increase their taxes, income, real estate, or other, will receive no federal funding of any kind.
The very notion of 'Income' tax is perverse and devilish. Having an income is what an individual does to SUBSIST to carry out their basic human functions necessary for staying alive.
Why not? Our families before us didn’t pay any income tax on wages until 1913 when the cabal set its hooks on the 3rd try with the un-constitutional privately owned Federal Reserve Banks and their goon squad IRS to collect them. Prior to 1913, our government was fully funded by tariffs. No income tax necessary.
1913 -
The inauguration of Woodrow Wilson as U.S. President, the ratification of the 16th and 17th Amendments (income tax and direct election of senators), and the creation of the Federal Reserve System. Deamoncrats Had Congress and Presidency.
The Revenue Act of 1913, also known as the T1913, Underwood Tariff or the Underwood–Simmons Act (ch. 16, 38 Stat. 114), re-established a federal income tax in the United States and substantially lowered tariff rates.
If he manages to do this, he belongs on Mt Rushmore!! This is just incomprehensible to me in the UK as Reeves just goes and raises taxes EVEN MORE this week to help pay for infinity grapey boat people to stay in 4* hotels with fresh laptops at our expense!!
Doing some related research I discovered that we have a really strange government debt yield curve. And that if we return to the average effective interest rate on our debt that we had in 2019, 2020, that would cut the interest on the debt approximately in half. About $450B.
Tariffs are just another form of tax. Swapping one tax for another isn't much of a win. It's just stepping sideways.
We're constantly told that one of the main reasons for tariffs is to get US companies to bring manufacturing back to the US. If they do that, and tariffs drop off sharply, what happens then? Go back to income tax?
The Federal government was much, much smaller prior to the beginning of income tax, and like anything having to do with the government being involved, the income tax revenues just grew the government. Shrinking Federal government, and State government, to the minimal level required to do what is necessary will be a necessary component of eliminating income tax.
Imagine if business could operate on making profits and not how to avoid taxes. What a concept. People too! Accountants would have to switch gears and work to maximize profits and expenses rather that taxes.
Taxes to the government is crack cocaine, it will never go away completely. The best situation is no federal income taxes to people making under a certain income level. Which is better than it is now.
Once they happens, I’m sure blue states will raise significantly their tax levels on slave citizens.
The end game objective is to Remove the private ownership of the Federal Reserve with its obscene taxation schemes of oppressions along with the Internal Revenue Service and replace with an External Revenue (tariff collector) Service….
I think the ball is already rolling on the civilian side, by way of record numbers of people deciding not to file, or report. I know that in WA state I saw somewhere that over a million people are not up on their car registration. (Another unlawful contract, we were coerced into.) These income tax soundbites will serve to embolden more people to just....not pay. I for damn sure am not filing, nor am I reporting any significant numbers from my small business.
Here is my proposal to eliminate all income taxes on individuals:
A 100% full forensic accounting of all the money, expenditures, of every department, program, or agency with unconstitutional spending is provided to the American People. If the Constitution doesn't specifically delegate it, then it must be abolished. Require that the federal budget be balanced every year.
Publish the actual cost to run the federal government through an annual forensic audit with full disclosure and transparency, once #5 has been completed.
Establish a $1,000,000,000,000.00 federal emergency fund that is used only for legitimate emergencies. Any funds used must be replenished within the span of 4 years of being used.
Secure all Federal Elections 100%. Make it a capital crime to tamper with or commit fraud in our elections.
Reduce the federal government to the size and scope the founding fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution. Eliminate all departments, all agencies, all programs, all projects, and all roles not specifically delegated to government through the Constitution. End all forms of welfare, including foreign aid, corporate aid, and domestic welfare programs. This will eliminate most unconstitutional spending. It will also shrink the government back to the size and scope originally intended. All departments and delegated powers that belong to the States will be funded 100% by those States, and with no federal dollars.
No more prosecuting victimless "crimes". If you couple this with repealing all unconstitutional federal weapons laws, and laws against forming local militia's, these actions would save millions to billions of dollars annually, while increasing the safety / security of citizens.
Eliminate all federal taxes on American citizens across the board. No other income taxes on citizens of any type at the federal level. This includes every form of property tax, and every single federal consumption tax: gasoline, diesel, communications, water, etc.
End all entangling alliances with foreign nations. This includes the U.N., NATO, WEF, and any other alliance or treaty that interferes with our sovereignty and independence. End all Treaties that are not favorable to the USA, or compromise our sovereignty in any way.
Enact sensible tariffs on foreign trade, just as the framers of our Constitution intended. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited federal government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above.
Enact a flat 5% tax on businesses, but only on those with annual revenue over $10,000,000.00. This would allow small business owners plenty of breathing room to establish and grow a small business to a point of success allowing it to thrive once it was subject to the federal flat tax. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above. All other federal government fee's or charges for American owned businesses would be eliminated. Government is not intended to generate profits, only raise enough revenue to cover the actual cost of running a small and efficient government.
Enact a 5% federal flat income tax on all non-citizens living in our country. If they earn their citizenship, they would no longer be subject to that income tax. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above, and funding the deportation of illegal aliens apprehended or extradited within our borders.
Charge $100,000.00 for a four year student visa, and $200,000.00 for a 4 year H1-B Visa. Include the President Trump's Gold Card Visa program by charging $5,000,000.00 for this visa to qualified foreigners, with a cap of 2 million Gold Card Visas issued at any one time. Taking American school slots and American jobs is going to cost non-citizens. Any person, company, or school that is caught using any visa fraudulently will be fined $250,000.00 per incident for Student and H1-B, and $1 million for Gold Card Visa's. These funds would help defray the cost of deporting illegal immigrants. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above. Any person in the United States on a Visa is subject to having their Visa revoked immediately for engaging in unethical or illegal conduct or activities, or for any act or participation in protests against the United States of America. This includes stealing, damaging, desecrating, or destroying our flag, or advocating the violation or overthrow of our Constitution.
Require all legal immigrants to live within the United States for 14 years before allowing them to become a U.S. Citizen (8 years for those married to a U.S. citizen, or for a minimum of 8 years honorable military service). During this time they must earn their citizenship and prove they truly intend to become an American, to include passing an exam proving they are 100% proficient in the English Language. They would also be required to pass an extensive exam covering true American history, the principles upon which our Constitutional Republic was established, and have a thorough knowledge of our Constitution, and our federal government. They would be required to watch the video series listed in #30. This would also eliminate most green card scammers, green card divorces, etc.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment establishing English as the official language of These United States of America. Prohibit any government forms, publications, etc., to be printed in any language other than English.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment forbidding all non-citizens, all foreign governments, and all foreign companies from purchasing / owning any land or any other real estate. If they already do own some, they have to sell it within 12 months of the ratification of the Amendment. If it is not sold, it will be taken through Eminent domain, and sold at auction to State Citizens, and not to government or corporations.
Eliminate Social Security, and the Social Security Administration. This could be done by establishing a "cut-off" age. Anyone over that age gets to finish out their Social Security payments. Anyone under that age gets all of the money they put in over the years refunded in a lump sum payment that is not taxed. They would also receive a full refund of their spouses contributions, if they are deceased. This could easily be funded by all the other unconstitutional expenditures that would be stopped, as noted in #5 above. Anyone that did not pay into SS will not get SS. Once the unconstitutional / socialist program finishes paying out, then it would be forever abolished.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating that the President has Line Item Veto power.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating only single issue Bills can be introduced, and all Bills / Laws must be simple, short, and easily understood by any citizen with a high school level of education.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment requiring all deals and all votes in the Legislative Branch be public. The public will see who voted on what, who voted, or didn't, and how each member voted. No more secret backroom deals, and no more secret votes.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment recognizing in every federal court that jurors are the sole judges of the law and the facts.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating everyone working for the government, elected or appointed, to be audited by an independent agency every 2 years. This includes all judges, all elected representatives, POTUS and Vice POTUS, as well as all cabinet members, and all department heads and managers. Make the penalty for violations of their oath or the law expulsion / termination and a lifetime ban from ever again working in the government, or holding office. For more serious violations, the penalty should be felony prison time.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting recurring taxes on any type of property. This would prohibit government from infringing on the natural right to actually 100% own property.
Re-task the IRS to collect non-citizen income tax, tariffs, and the business taxes. Take away their "police" powers (No guns or arrest power), and make them the accountants and auditors they were created to be.
Privatize the USPS by selling it. Retain all government specific tasks (passports, etc.) by moving them under other Constitutionally delegated departments.
Enact a Constitutional amendment to impeach any federal judge, including sitting SCOTUS Justices, for failing to render decisions in accordance with the Constitution. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is in fact, and must be, regarded by the judges as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought of course to be preferred; or in other words, the constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents. On every question of construction of the Constitution let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment limiting all federal judges to 6 year terms in office, with a maximum of 2 terms of office in the Judicial Branch.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment eliminating any requirements of a law degree, or any legal experience, to be elected or appointed as a federal judge. This applies to all levels of federal courts, including the SCOTUS. Instead, candidates are required to have an inviolable reverence and extensive knowledge and understanding of the Constitution, and the principles upon which the framers of the Constitution established our Republic. #30 and #31 are particularly important for federal judges to understand and master.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment requiring all candidates for any elected or appointed federal office be a natural born citizen to be eligible, and can't hold any other citizenship. These requirements apply to hold a security clearance or to be employed (to include volunteers) within the federal government.
Make it a capital crime for anyone in government to misappropriate, steal, or misuse our government funds, in any manner. Same principle as if you robbed a bank. The difference is it is a government public trust situation, and should have the penalty of forfeiting the life of any guilty party.
Require anyone elected, appointed, volunteering, or employed by the federal government, in any capacity, to watch the 6-hour Constitution class taught by Michael Badnarik before they take their Oath of Office. Make the penalty of betraying that oath punishable by prison and a lifetime ban from ever working in the federal government, or holding federal office. (URL: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wp-48d_jSb4)
Require anyone elected, appointed, volunteering, or employed by the federal government, in any capacity, to learn this simple, but critical, principle before they take their Oath of Office. Make the penalty of betraying that oath punishable by expulsion and a lifetime ban from ever again working in the federal government, or holding federal office. (URL: https://mises.org/articles-interest/not-yours-give)
Yeah... I will believe it when I see it. An indicator that this is hopium, the premise is based on tariffs, when it should be based on the fact that income tax is unconstitutional.
Normies are getting tired of the maybe sorta kinda (obviously comms and will probably happen, but takes forever) promises and being told how good the economy is and how you might maybe get a $5,000 DOGE check and a $2,000 rebate check but not really but surely shit. I think this would work far better if it all just happened out of the blue and not mentioned.
Congress has the Constitutional authority to tax.
The only thing that might be unConstitutional about the 16th Amendment is the very questionable way it was ratified.
Yes but this is somewhat akin to saying the only thing wrong with these beautiful, perfect, handmade shoes is that they are three sizes too small.
The illegal ratification makes the amendment null and void, for Step 1. Then, besides that, money earned from labor is not "income" in the way the Founders envisioned; you traded hours of your life for that money; it was a fair exchange; you didn't profit. So no taxable income there.
I'm not disagreeing. I'm repeating what I've heard and saying "but I haven't seen the evidence personally".
But if this is correct there won't be any "We're reducing Income Tax", the statement will be "It's invalid" or "It's not invalid".
Their right to do it was not exercised. They illegally forced it upon us. Tje founders NEVER gave congress the right to tax income. Why, because any idiot who has an income being taxed should know thats slavery and no profit is gained when u worked for it. As zero delta points.out.
The series of events of historical truths that are intentionally by deign to be suppressed and not taught in institutions of higher educations (K-12 and beyond) to our children? The elites openly said they didn’t want intelligent workers, just obedient ones along with their long term plans to eventually replace/eradicate them….
If this board doesn't know by now that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is a psyop, we're doomed.
I said to someone on this very board the other day that Lincoln was an epic tyrant and that he provoked the War Between the States deliberately. He came back with the usual Saint Lincoln BS. I didn't bother to correct him since it would have disrupted the main thread, but people need to understand HOW history is researched and validated. Sadly, most don't.
Have you learned nothing about maga amd trump? Incime taxes and MAGA are not compatable. Yeah it unconstitutional, however it would be ignorantly stupid to strip it away without replacing the income. Tarriffs are the constitutional means to fund government. I believe trump. If taxes stay then maga is total bullshit. O so not think maga is bullshit. Do you?
Just shills and doomers who can’t think logically.
bUt MuH nEw PrEsIdEnT wIlL ReInStAtE iT.
I think Peter Schiff made that argument and was subsequently jailed.
A couple weeks back we were supposed to be getting $2000 each. Then it was announced that won’t happen until 2026. If Trump manages to end income tax, it’ll happen in 2027 and in 2029 we will have a new president that will implement it again!
You gonna pay if it got reinstated?
But that's the issue anyway, isn't it? It's not like income tax being ended in 2025 vs 2026 0r 2027 or 2028 will save it from the next president reinstating it. It's not like if it's a law for a couple more years will make it irrevocable.
WHEN you understand that virtually ALL taxes go to the ILLEGAL Fed, then once the Fed is Ended you dont need income tax. SIMPLE!
Yes. The IRS is the bill collector for the fed.
Yes and IRS does not fund our government. The money mostly goes to the British Crown, the Vatican and the int’l bankers.
The gov. is actually funded through the DoJ taking money from convicted criminals’ trust funds, which are created by the gov when you are born. They registered you as a gov slave when they gave you a social security number and created a “strawman” that is your name but spelled in ALL CAPS. Also, I suspect they take some money out at tax time from everybody’s account, no conviction needed.
I know this seems wild to even folks on this board, but from what I can tell, it’s true. You can look up your social # on a CUSIP lookup website and see how they’ve traded “you” (really your stawman). I’ve seen it myself. “You” are traded overnight like a stock/security. Anytime you get a college degree, for example, they create a new CUSIP # for you and trade that too.
The IRS/Fed were created to collect money from us due to the government’s bankruptcy in the 1930s, during the deliberately engineered Great Depression. Our whole nation was placed in receivership.
Obviously, Trump can’t explain all this through the fake news media, so he has to come up with shorthand explanations like “tariffs will fund the gov” instead. Basically, he’s trying to get us back on the Constitution, end the bankruptcy, remove the IRS and hopefully the Fed, return to Constitutional money and reconfigure the economy and more. It’s a big lift, especially for 1 term. We’ll have to see what happens.
Thanks, Mith. You may find this hard to believe but a long time ago my daddy told me about that. I've known these things since about '82. Yes I'm old.
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Now do property taxes...must pull the tax weed out at the root.
Watched a very elderly lady at a local town board meeting, crying that she can't pay these tax increases on her home with her small fixed income. She is getting notices of the high interest added to her balance that she is unable to pay with a warning that her home could be seized to pay the tax bill.
Enough is enough, tar and feathers is too good for these creatures in government.
True! However property taxes are state taxes. Trump could speak on it, but your state would have to end it.
I do want Trump to go hard on stopping federal income tax though. Having 30% of your bonus taken away into the wind really sucks...
I think this will happen and it will be sooner than a couple of years. It’s an exciting idea because everyone will have so much more money and INCENTIVE to work. It would cycle in a “new age” and lift everyone up. Crime would decrease dramatically because there’s less need to steal and less time to do it since there are real benefits to working for your future and your family.
Yes, and you will STILL have TDS infected leftists crying about who will pay for their transgender operations. At least there will be more center-left people who will wake up and realize Trump is doing them a favor and making their lives better.
Now, fix voter rolls and elections and the country will be good to go.
Well, well! How sweet it is!
I have been talking about this one for a while now. I predicted this would be one of the core parts of Trump's economic platform on the domestic side. Once the tariffs were announced, it became very apparent that they were the vehicle the administration intended to use to replace that funding. Lutnick in particular has dropped a lot of lines about this, both cryptic and more direct.
My current mapping is something like this: *on the POLITICS side, I think Trump intends to let BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans continue to bludgeon one another until both sides are bloody husks. Obviously the weapon of choice most recently has been the Epstein documents, but rest assured between now and the midterms Democrats will dredge something up out of the swamp that's better suited to smear and take out Republicans with. It might not even matter, since the Republicans are already taking major heat from their inaction on the economy and the general refusal to fight back and make any progress - the same way it ALWAYS is when they get power.
There is by now a significant level of understanding among everyday Americans that when push comes to shove, NEITHER side can be counted on to do what is in the best interests of the country or the citizens. They might not be able to articulate it as the Uniparty or give a specific rundown of what they're all engaged in, there's a threshold of simply KNOWING that we can now see a great deal of the American people have crossed beyond.
That's why the well dries up immediately when any of these jokers strike out on their own. Its very obvious, perhaps never more so than earlier this November: without Trump, NO ONE is coming over for the party. Before now I think Trump tried to use this feature in an educational way. To make the obstinate ones (RINOs) think twice and pull them back into the fold. He used to show the power of his endorsement with the voters as a way to challenge their loyalty to that Uniparty system and all the benefits it tempts them with, personal financial gain and the privileges of the powerful that men like Epstein could provide... all of that.
You know what though? I think he's DONE with that. I think he's been DISGUSTED with the way both house and Senate Majority have conducted themselves during the last year in moments like the BBB Bill and the recissions passing and he's ready to hang them out to dry alongside the Democrats. He knows that the overwhelming sentiment is fear and hatred towards him, and that they are looking forward to when Trump and MAGA are out of office and lack the control and power they have now.
So on the Democrat side, they are going to be outed in one scandal after another, as we're seeing with the Epstein releases. That will work on eroding what little credibility is left among them and make voters fundamentally incapable of voting for them, based on the corruption and greed alone. Its coming down the pike every day now.
But likewise I think you are going to see a lot of the "professed MAGA supporters" among the Republican coalition get swept right out along with the other side. I think Trump is going to hold out his endorsements for many of the current crowd and you're going to see A LOT, and I mean A WHOLE LOT of fresh new faces getting Trump endorsements and winning in primary races around the country. He wants people who are beyond the temptations of pure self-interest that will back him to the hilt with no questions asked or bargaining required.
This is the era of authenticity in politics - its what people are craving and Trump was the first one to satisfy that urge. Now there is no going back - we want our leaders to be America First on the principle of it being the right thing to do, and no hoops should need to be jumped.
Makes for a scary sounding midterm, though doesn't it? So how does Trump also ENSURE people don't start voting in Democrats?
This is the ECONOMY side. As I see it, there's really NOTHING that can take immediate pressure off of the affordability crisis and the new normal of inflation we've just gone through in the past 4 years EXCEPT for radical reduction of the Federal income tax. My feeling is that this is coming near term as it would be the best and most pragmatic way to combat inflation for the low and middle class.
I think income tax will probably remain for a top percentage of earners - top 10% perhaps - and that they rest of us will get a drastically simplified system where no tax is collected and we keep MORE of our money on our checks every payday. Further I think this will be coupled with some sort of yearly payout based on tariff revenue as way to simulate the money people have come to expect from their Federal refund - they will want to offset that some how, so that being able to keep more of your own income doesn't feel punitive when you don't get that small windfall of a refund, which many plan for and put towards bigger ticket purchases like car repairs etc.
This is just my guess, but I am figuring this is coming fairly soon. Trump NEEDS a win on the inflation and affordability issue, and the stock market surging just isn't enough, Main Street has become too separated from it. Abolishing the income tax is a big WIN NOW, and provides immediate and direct relief to the folks who need it - the same ones who follow him and vote for him time and again.
Of course, getting rid of it for good would require a vote of Congress, since its an amendment to the Constitution... so does this become a chicken or the egg question, and Trump would actually require a LARGER majority in both houses to get it done in the first place?
Maybe a tariff check is coming first.
Expect to hear about the rigged election in 2020 and the root causes in the near term, as well as continued battles on redistricting - that is a crucial fight we have to win.
Okay, just wanted to wax poetic on my theory for a bit, hope its worth the time you took to read it. Godspeed all.
Agreed dm! I told our investment professional way back in PDJT's first Term that Income Tax was going away for almost all and I'm sure he thought I was crazy. Kek! I know my husband was doubtful, but it is SWEET INDEED!
The IRS was a creation of the FED in order to collect on their debt slavery gained wealth. To me, ALL debt to the FED should be renounced as illegally obtained by fomenting wars all over the world and murdering anyone (Lincoln, JFK) who got in their way. Same thing w/ Chinese bonds. The CCP is at (bio and econ asymmetrical) WAR with America. I don't feel ANY obligation to pay them back. After you declare those 2, create a new gold/asset/crypto backed currency ISSUED BY THE US TREASURY, NOT an Evil Rothschild bank that wants to KILL you....
This alone will set the rest of the world ALIGHT, probably bring down governments world wide as citizens demand to also not have income tax for salary/wage workers (at least, below a certain level). It will be HUGE if it happens.
The "cure" will spread worldwide. It wasn't the shot, it will be the thing that killed the central banks.
Cut out all the government waste, and this isn't that hard.
Eliminating the income tax will put a lot of tax preparers out of business. Boo hooo. And bye bye IRS gestapo.
And think of how much money is trapped inside IRAs and 401K's. That money suddenly becomes available without having to take a "loan" from your own retirement account. This is economic rocket fuel.
I always suspect that the IRS turns a blind eye to the "celebs" who owe taxes.
If they pull that bullshit of "bonuses and no taxes for everyone making less than 100k" there are going to be a lot of pissed people out there. If you live in a major metropolitan area those income numbers are likely middle class not "rich". Every damned stimulus check, tax break over the past decade has screwed over the urban middle class. Make the tax cuts fair for all brackets!! Progressive taxes have always been the most unAmerican thing about America. We should encourage success, not punish it!
It would be easy to eliminate the first $150K on a household’s taxable income. Would require about $250B from the tariff kitty. I expect the tariff income to be between $600B and $1T a year.
And with the Trump economy and policies, we will have a lot more producers and a lot less takers. Helping to close the budget gap quickly.
By the way, the CBO doesn’t seem to be able to do basic math.
I was hoping this would have been accomplished already or at least well underway. Oh, well...
Democrat state governors are licking their chops. If Trump eliminates the Federal income tax, they will raise their state taxes in equal measure. They will see it as a way to grab the money and justify it by saying the taxpayers won't pay more in overall taxes than the prior year. Trump needs to head them off by declaring any State or local taxing authorities that increase their taxes, income, real estate, or other, will receive no federal funding of any kind.
The very notion of 'Income' tax is perverse and devilish. Having an income is what an individual does to SUBSIST to carry out their basic human functions necessary for staying alive.
Truly the Golden Age and think about how much more people will spend if they didn’t have income taxes and how much revenue the economy would bring in
Will never happen
Income tax and IRS need to be totally eliminated - too intrusive on Americans' God-given liberty
Govt pigs have suckled at the teat of the American worker for far too long
Why not? Our families before us didn’t pay any income tax on wages until 1913 when the cabal set its hooks on the 3rd try with the un-constitutional privately owned Federal Reserve Banks and their goon squad IRS to collect them. Prior to 1913, our government was fully funded by tariffs. No income tax necessary.
1913 - The inauguration of Woodrow Wilson as U.S. President, the ratification of the 16th and 17th Amendments (income tax and direct election of senators), and the creation of the Federal Reserve System. Deamoncrats Had Congress and Presidency.
The Revenue Act of 1913, also known as the T1913, Underwood Tariff or the Underwood–Simmons Act (ch. 16, 38 Stat. 114), re-established a federal income tax in the United States and substantially lowered tariff rates.
In July, I wrote an article about a giant red flag that indicates that taxes will end for the lower socioeconomic class. I am hopeful it will end for everyone: https://yournews.com/2025/06/04/3486288/irs-was-supposed-to-launch-their-free-online-income-tax/
If he manages to do this, he belongs on Mt Rushmore!! This is just incomprehensible to me in the UK as Reeves just goes and raises taxes EVEN MORE this week to help pay for infinity grapey boat people to stay in 4* hotels with fresh laptops at our expense!!
Yeah he better!
Doing some related research I discovered that we have a really strange government debt yield curve. And that if we return to the average effective interest rate on our debt that we had in 2019, 2020, that would cut the interest on the debt approximately in half. About $450B.
Ok, here's the issues I have with this.
Tariffs are just another form of tax. Swapping one tax for another isn't much of a win. It's just stepping sideways.
We're constantly told that one of the main reasons for tariffs is to get US companies to bring manufacturing back to the US. If they do that, and tariffs drop off sharply, what happens then? Go back to income tax?
The Federal government was much, much smaller prior to the beginning of income tax, and like anything having to do with the government being involved, the income tax revenues just grew the government. Shrinking Federal government, and State government, to the minimal level required to do what is necessary will be a necessary component of eliminating income tax.
Imagine if business could operate on making profits and not how to avoid taxes. What a concept. People too! Accountants would have to switch gears and work to maximize profits and expenses rather that taxes.
Taxes to the government is crack cocaine, it will never go away completely. The best situation is no federal income taxes to people making under a certain income level. Which is better than it is now.
Once they happens, I’m sure blue states will raise significantly their tax levels on slave citizens.
My question, let’s assume the federal income tax is phased out, how long before employers drop wages down as a way to lower costs…
They wont have to, it would eliminate the matching that employers are required to do
The costs will immediately be lower for all companies without having to reduce wages
The end game objective is to Remove the private ownership of the Federal Reserve with its obscene taxation schemes of oppressions along with the Internal Revenue Service and replace with an External Revenue (tariff collector) Service….
I think the ball is already rolling on the civilian side, by way of record numbers of people deciding not to file, or report. I know that in WA state I saw somewhere that over a million people are not up on their car registration. (Another unlawful contract, we were coerced into.) These income tax soundbites will serve to embolden more people to just....not pay. I for damn sure am not filing, nor am I reporting any significant numbers from my small business.
Yeah in like 2 years.
That most certainly paint the Dems into a corner.
Here is my proposal to eliminate all income taxes on individuals:
A 100% full forensic accounting of all the money, expenditures, of every department, program, or agency with unconstitutional spending is provided to the American People. If the Constitution doesn't specifically delegate it, then it must be abolished. Require that the federal budget be balanced every year.
Publish the actual cost to run the federal government through an annual forensic audit with full disclosure and transparency, once #5 has been completed.
Establish a $1,000,000,000,000.00 federal emergency fund that is used only for legitimate emergencies. Any funds used must be replenished within the span of 4 years of being used.
Secure all Federal Elections 100%. Make it a capital crime to tamper with or commit fraud in our elections.
Reduce the federal government to the size and scope the founding fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution. Eliminate all departments, all agencies, all programs, all projects, and all roles not specifically delegated to government through the Constitution. End all forms of welfare, including foreign aid, corporate aid, and domestic welfare programs. This will eliminate most unconstitutional spending. It will also shrink the government back to the size and scope originally intended. All departments and delegated powers that belong to the States will be funded 100% by those States, and with no federal dollars.
No more prosecuting victimless "crimes". If you couple this with repealing all unconstitutional federal weapons laws, and laws against forming local militia's, these actions would save millions to billions of dollars annually, while increasing the safety / security of citizens.
Eliminate all federal taxes on American citizens across the board. No other income taxes on citizens of any type at the federal level. This includes every form of property tax, and every single federal consumption tax: gasoline, diesel, communications, water, etc.
End all entangling alliances with foreign nations. This includes the U.N., NATO, WEF, and any other alliance or treaty that interferes with our sovereignty and independence. End all Treaties that are not favorable to the USA, or compromise our sovereignty in any way.
Enact sensible tariffs on foreign trade, just as the framers of our Constitution intended. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited federal government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above.
Enact a flat 5% tax on businesses, but only on those with annual revenue over $10,000,000.00. This would allow small business owners plenty of breathing room to establish and grow a small business to a point of success allowing it to thrive once it was subject to the federal flat tax. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above. All other federal government fee's or charges for American owned businesses would be eliminated. Government is not intended to generate profits, only raise enough revenue to cover the actual cost of running a small and efficient government.
Enact a 5% federal flat income tax on all non-citizens living in our country. If they earn their citizenship, they would no longer be subject to that income tax. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above, and funding the deportation of illegal aliens apprehended or extradited within our borders.
Charge $100,000.00 for a four year student visa, and $200,000.00 for a 4 year H1-B Visa. Include the President Trump's Gold Card Visa program by charging $5,000,000.00 for this visa to qualified foreigners, with a cap of 2 million Gold Card Visas issued at any one time. Taking American school slots and American jobs is going to cost non-citizens. Any person, company, or school that is caught using any visa fraudulently will be fined $250,000.00 per incident for Student and H1-B, and $1 million for Gold Card Visa's. These funds would help defray the cost of deporting illegal immigrants. All excess funds over what is required to fund the limited government would go to paying off the federal debt. Once that debt is paid off, all surplus funds would be evenly distributed to all American Citizens at the end of each year, with the exception of replenishing the emergency fund in #3 above. Any person in the United States on a Visa is subject to having their Visa revoked immediately for engaging in unethical or illegal conduct or activities, or for any act or participation in protests against the United States of America. This includes stealing, damaging, desecrating, or destroying our flag, or advocating the violation or overthrow of our Constitution.
Require all legal immigrants to live within the United States for 14 years before allowing them to become a U.S. Citizen (8 years for those married to a U.S. citizen, or for a minimum of 8 years honorable military service). During this time they must earn their citizenship and prove they truly intend to become an American, to include passing an exam proving they are 100% proficient in the English Language. They would also be required to pass an extensive exam covering true American history, the principles upon which our Constitutional Republic was established, and have a thorough knowledge of our Constitution, and our federal government. They would be required to watch the video series listed in #30. This would also eliminate most green card scammers, green card divorces, etc.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment establishing English as the official language of These United States of America. Prohibit any government forms, publications, etc., to be printed in any language other than English.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment forbidding all non-citizens, all foreign governments, and all foreign companies from purchasing / owning any land or any other real estate. If they already do own some, they have to sell it within 12 months of the ratification of the Amendment. If it is not sold, it will be taken through Eminent domain, and sold at auction to State Citizens, and not to government or corporations.
Eliminate Social Security, and the Social Security Administration. This could be done by establishing a "cut-off" age. Anyone over that age gets to finish out their Social Security payments. Anyone under that age gets all of the money they put in over the years refunded in a lump sum payment that is not taxed. They would also receive a full refund of their spouses contributions, if they are deceased. This could easily be funded by all the other unconstitutional expenditures that would be stopped, as noted in #5 above. Anyone that did not pay into SS will not get SS. Once the unconstitutional / socialist program finishes paying out, then it would be forever abolished.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating that the President has Line Item Veto power.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating only single issue Bills can be introduced, and all Bills / Laws must be simple, short, and easily understood by any citizen with a high school level of education.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment requiring all deals and all votes in the Legislative Branch be public. The public will see who voted on what, who voted, or didn't, and how each member voted. No more secret backroom deals, and no more secret votes.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment recognizing in every federal court that jurors are the sole judges of the law and the facts.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment mandating everyone working for the government, elected or appointed, to be audited by an independent agency every 2 years. This includes all judges, all elected representatives, POTUS and Vice POTUS, as well as all cabinet members, and all department heads and managers. Make the penalty for violations of their oath or the law expulsion / termination and a lifetime ban from ever again working in the government, or holding office. For more serious violations, the penalty should be felony prison time.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting recurring taxes on any type of property. This would prohibit government from infringing on the natural right to actually 100% own property.
Re-task the IRS to collect non-citizen income tax, tariffs, and the business taxes. Take away their "police" powers (No guns or arrest power), and make them the accountants and auditors they were created to be.
Privatize the USPS by selling it. Retain all government specific tasks (passports, etc.) by moving them under other Constitutionally delegated departments.
Enact a Constitutional amendment to impeach any federal judge, including sitting SCOTUS Justices, for failing to render decisions in accordance with the Constitution. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is in fact, and must be, regarded by the judges as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought of course to be preferred; or in other words, the constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents. On every question of construction of the Constitution let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment limiting all federal judges to 6 year terms in office, with a maximum of 2 terms of office in the Judicial Branch.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment eliminating any requirements of a law degree, or any legal experience, to be elected or appointed as a federal judge. This applies to all levels of federal courts, including the SCOTUS. Instead, candidates are required to have an inviolable reverence and extensive knowledge and understanding of the Constitution, and the principles upon which the framers of the Constitution established our Republic. #30 and #31 are particularly important for federal judges to understand and master.
Enact a Constitutional Amendment requiring all candidates for any elected or appointed federal office be a natural born citizen to be eligible, and can't hold any other citizenship. These requirements apply to hold a security clearance or to be employed (to include volunteers) within the federal government.
Make it a capital crime for anyone in government to misappropriate, steal, or misuse our government funds, in any manner. Same principle as if you robbed a bank. The difference is it is a government public trust situation, and should have the penalty of forfeiting the life of any guilty party.
Require anyone elected, appointed, volunteering, or employed by the federal government, in any capacity, to watch the 6-hour Constitution class taught by Michael Badnarik before they take their Oath of Office. Make the penalty of betraying that oath punishable by prison and a lifetime ban from ever working in the federal government, or holding federal office. (URL: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wp-48d_jSb4)
Require anyone elected, appointed, volunteering, or employed by the federal government, in any capacity, to learn this simple, but critical, principle before they take their Oath of Office. Make the penalty of betraying that oath punishable by expulsion and a lifetime ban from ever again working in the federal government, or holding federal office. (URL: https://mises.org/articles-interest/not-yours-give)