Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says that DARPA is spraying dangerous “chemicals” into the sky.
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Yes sir…how about pulling DARPA funding until the fricking cut it out?
I have several theories for why they spray.
The global warming. But this could be the cover story.
To burn an area. Just as a magnesium spark starts a fire, these metals along with a new spray spreads one.
Helps to track radioactive material.
To render stealth useless. The air is displaced, we can monitor the metal displacement.
Harm the gardener. A lot of us are having issues we didn't see in the past.
Neurological cause and effect.
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No military purpose. Particles in the air are anathema to energy weapons and radar systems. Control of the weather and atmosphere is a pipe dream; the numbers are just too large.
Cloud seeding and drones has entered the chat. Too many advances at this point where controlling localized weather on demand is very easy.
Changing climate on the other hand is still in the conspiracy territory and may be too large to tackle with current technology. But if RFK Jr is correct DARPA may be able to change entire climates and not just local weather patterns.
Changing a climate over a 25 year period is theoretically possible with persistent spraying.
It's not a matter of "current technology." It is a matter of the incredible physical scale of weather effects. People like to take refuge in the "theoretically possible" closet, but the reality is that possibility is controlled by feasibility. It is "theoretically possible" to move Mount Everest to Australia one spoonful at a time, but it can never happen. People aren't so stupid as to hold a planetary civilization hostage to a pipe dream.
Climate can be changed by human beings. Soviets irrigation plans for example altered not only local weather but climate patterns with the changes to the Aral sea. A climate change in a region is officially recognized when it can be consistently observed and recorded over a period of 20 to 25 years. That is not theoretical but actual evidence.
Localized weather is easier to manipulate but the effects are not long lasting.
Now I have an issue with my colon, something is wrong with me and I believe is something to do with the chemtrails because I do not take vaccines or medications. Nothing not even supplements.
Ive always thought it was a combination of all these things.
I had fruit trees quit bearing, I got some tougher plants, plants they grew in the middle Ages.
All of them wrong.
President Trump should have done by now, but I don’t know what’s going on?
One anon said the cabal would kill him or family if he did.?!
I don’t know about that.
Agree fren
OFFICIAL GAW NOTE: ANYONE SAYING THAT THIS CONSTITUTES "PROOF" WILL BE BOOTED BEYOND PLUTO.
Even though this is old, I am stickying this just as an intriguing addendum to the official GAW-wide sticky from last week. In that sticky, we said that you better bet your sweet ass the GAW mods are watching this. And we are. And we'll sticky this to prove it. But... IS THIS PROOF???
The GAW mod team does NOT want to "chill" your free speech. But anyone weighing in on this thread better DAMNED WELL KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RFK Jr. "SAYING SOMETHING" AND PROOF IS, so help you. This thread is BAKED with laser dot sniper sights all over the place.
BUT, and, OMG, I am so ready to apologize to everyone when someone (ANYONE, REALLY) drops proof of this nonsense, I will grovel and kiss everyone's feet individually... that day will never come....
Carry on
C5, could you expand on why this is such a hot button topic among the mods?
Catsfive, dont strike me for saying this, just a pede offering clarification.
@u/JackieDaytona74: over the years we've had tons of crossover from conspiracies.win. Lizard men, flat earth, chemtrails, Devil worship cabal, aliens are demons, UFOs, etc. Some have been PROVEN WITH EVIDENCE to be true. Even speculative evidence with bbasis in fact at least gives us foundation for discussion. Most all the rest have, at best, conjecture and hypothesis backed by NO EVIDENCE to support them.
GAW is a research site that (used to be) very strictly focused only on Q, anons, and comms. Still is to a point. Yes, some rules have been relaxed, but effort by mods is still to keep it Q centric with engaging and relevant topics. My understanding is Memes, for example, need to be on point and are allowed only because POTUS and Q have disscussed their efficacy in the efforts to save the country.
Topics not discussed by Q, or that have as yet no evidence of truth or accuracy have snuck in with some of the more crazy frogs, but have since been landed on, restoring integrity to the site.
We need to stay relavent and a source of good, on-topic discussions. Good research. Helpful to our mission.
This hot topic makes us look fools so easily. If Evidence or Fact can support the argument, by all means, bring it in.
How'd I do catsfive? (If this is off base, just delete it, or tell me and i will.)
Not so much any longer. GAW has morphed into a crowdsourced newsfeed board where the majority of comments are hot takes. Though, there are still research summaries, thought out conjectures, and pointers to outside resources. So GAW is a combined purpose site. The regulars are also a kind of extended family of frogs.
Myself, I tend to divide subjects into four rings: Q-core, Q-adjacent, Q-extended, and off-topic. Certain topics are contentious in their categorization.
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the thing is, most of the voat-style researchers got banned over and over and just quit coming until we were left with something akin to a middle aged Facebook group.
Not geriatric at all.
I came from VOAT & BOOOOM!
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Oh my. And I thought VOAT was a rough crowd. Is TARD JAIL where you go to reconsider your misspent youth?
I got 30 days here one time, so I went over to Truth Social & caused trouble there. 😂
Q's last comment was 3 years, 5 months ago. So, I kind of see your way as well. We do our best. But after so much time has passed, yeah, it gets pretty nebulous exactly what qualifies as a true Q post on this board anymore.
Kek. You forgot Q-fluid.
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Frankly, I take issue with literally everything you've said here.
I cannot go a day without seeing a poorly sourced, uncorroborated, and flat out incorrect politically-related posts being presented and often stickied. These posts are shared and completely damage our movement.
Perhaps worse, I frequently see posts made about absurd conspiracy topics (such as JFK Jr. still being alive) despite Q directly stating in no uncertain terms that JFK Jr. is dead. Worse, these posts are often propagated by a Mod(s).
Indeed this place did used to be a Q board. I wish it would get back a little closer to that original vision.
Any subject, if posted about with uncorroborated, poorly sourced information can be damaging to the movement. We've certainly run the gamut here on GAW.
But this subject has been treated differently. Hell, I'm not even arguing that it shouldn't be treated differently because there are subjects that I care far more about. But I'm certainly curious as to WHY this subject has been treated differently, and I have to respectfully disagree with your reasoning.
Yeah, I feel the same way. It has actually been this way for a long time. Now people hardly even ask for sauce anymore because their taste buds are so psyop jaded that they can just eat it dry. I take the pragmatic approach and just try to report the stuff that irks me the most. The psyop is king here on the public internet now that AI and mods with NDA/gag orders have a very tight grip on it. We are still in a post-fact era until real disclosure happens.....If you know any other communities that do better than us I would appreciate you letting everyone know.
I respect your comment immensely. We will intake this as feedback and we will seek to improve ourselves. Please use the deport function and briefly legitimately explain why you are deporting in order to support and help us maintain Q-ality. Thank you frog.
But the Lizard People conspiracy theory has been proven true. Here's the sauce:
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Yes but this woman has no eggs! Therefore your argument is invalid!
Well, I did say SOME have been proven true.... 🤣😂🤣
Good point.
Ok, stop with the scary stuff. 😆
More sauce here.
Ew! You forgot the eyebleach warning.
Sorry!
Kind of the the JFK Jr thing.
Exactly.
You did phenomenally well here with this. Damn it, I want to replace our entire sidebar with this comment. Well done frog. Thank you so much.
I'm flattered. Thank you!
Yes. Absolutely.
Society is defined what by what it does not permit.
We do not have a culture unless we all know where the outer boundaries are. WE ARE ELITE RESEARCHERS. Weaponized artists! This is a keyboard, not "r/conspiracy" with a Q flavor.
If something gets proven, if something becomes fact, then it becomes part of our domain.
There is literally nothing else on earth that is less proven than chemtrails. Flat Earth. Fake moon landings. Those are the tickets that represent "beyond" to this mod team and to this board.
Users that wish to ride or die with this content, please do not hesitate to respond. You will be permanently escorted to Telegram where you belong.
Do we need a DARPA official to release a statement?
Yes, but they won't w/o being forced.
If they do, you can damn well bet it will be sticky on GAW!
I CAN'T WAIT TO POST MY APOLOGY
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Very welcome clarification. And high value entertainment. Thank you! 😁
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I remember a time where you risked being banned if you talked about this reality on GAW.
Only because of lack of evidence and bad/no research. Credible discussions were kept.
Problem is, this is not an easily researched topic with tons of evidence.
Here's the problem though. This isn't something ridiculous like Flat Earthers. I was incredibly skeptical of chemtrails/spraying for many years. But there is a voluminous amount of evidence including dozens of public patents, slips by powerful people on camera and people doing good science on the ground after an area has been sprayed (heavy, toxic metals being found immediately after spraying).
People should always be skeptical. God knows there's innumerable subjects that I outright dismissed for years before seeing evidence that literally dragged me down the rabbit hole.
This is a subject that should not be so controversial, especially on this board.
And let's use some common sense. With all we know about what the Cabal has done to our finances, our food, our genetics, and our health, why should it be that difficult to believe that they'd be spraying us with heavy metals?
What got me past many of my "its just contrails" frens is telling them to look up the difference between "Chemtrails" and Geoengineering. As in do a separate search of each topic and compare the details you find.
Chemtrails will give you all the tin foil hat crazy conspiracy stuff.
Geoengineering will give you the sCiEnCe!
Step one, look at the sky regularly comparing con trails to chem trails with your own eyeballs
Step two, look up Stardust Solutions, TN Senate Bill 2691 etc.
When people declare contrails to be chemtrails, the eyeball test is meaningless. There is nothing to compare. Depending on altitude and humidity conditions, there can be zero contrails, transient contrails, or persistent contrails. And only contrails.
Cloud seeding and airborne fire suppression are done at low altitude and do not resemble contrails. Patents are not evidence of implementation (I have nine, none implemented as patented, alas). When I worked at Boeing, I was a member of a research team that was looking into distance detection of wake vortices. The idea of chemical tracer injection was regarded as a complete non-starter.
It's worth investigating and merits discussion is all I'm saying. Everyone said that I needed a tinfoil hat for not getting the jab and now there's all sorts investigating and discussing. We stopped using leaded gasoline, dusting our children with DDT and prescribing cigarettes for a reason. I eat MSG without fear now because of investigation and discussion...
I refueled jet engines for a year solid straight immediately after high school. It would have been absolutely trivial for me to take a vial of jet fuel home. We tested samples and collected samples every time we refueled the plane In order to prevent the airlines from claiming that we gave them contaminated fuel. Where are the samples??
Contrails are not worth investigating when the investigation will turn up Zero. Other subjects have other circumstances. My rejection of the jab was founded on the fact that I caught them lying early in the game about the safety of hydroxychloroquine---and paying attention to those who were obtaining cures using it. Leaded gasoline was outlawed, but I cannot recall any clear evidence of public harm from it. It results in hardship with the need for high-octane fuel in airplane piston engines. (Now we just get to breathe organic poisons instead of metallic ones. Methyl-tert-butane, anyone?) DDT was unfairly condemned by a publicity campaign based on fudged information, and its banning led to the deaths of millions of children in the Third World. I don't know about monosodium glutamate, but do not recall any controversy in particular. And, of course, everyone is terrified of radioactivity and we've had nuclear power stupidly curtailed for half a century.
I am not opposed to caution, but there have been too many cases of things being banned or shunned or imposed based on propaganda campaigns by those with an axe to grind. The whole "green" movement is a case in point, where industry itself is throttled for the sake of a magical fear, unsupported by "the science."
But let them study to their hearts' content. Just be prepared for the conclusion to be "nothing here," and live with it. Here's a pretty decent debunking website that provides a lot of education: https://skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/.
The problem is that the chemtrail retards cannot get their story straight. What's the poison? As we know, neither the Tennessee Bill nor the Florida bill identified what the substance being sprayed is. What's the purpose? Geoengineering, blocking the sun, that's what was banned in the Tennessee and Florida bills. But no, the chem trailers say that we are being intentionally poisoned. So it's barium, aluminum, except, these people don't understand how jet engines work. I have held an injector from a GE Leap 1B jet engine. It's incredibly intricate, people don't understand how precise these jet engines are. Are they poisoning us? I would absolutely not hesitate to snort an entire line of aluminum oxide. IT IS NOT A BIOLOGICALLY MOBILE SUBSTANCE. LOOK UP WHAT THAT MEANS. Does anyone know the difference in the biological poisonous nature of pure aluminum and the powder that is aluminum oxide? What do these retards think comes out of the end of a jet engine? It's oxidized. Because it's been combusted and burned. Do you know where aluminum oxide residue mostly comes from? Solid rocket boosters. Look it up. And so on it goes.
OUR FROGS ARE FREE TO DISCUSS THESE TOPICS. JUST NOT ON THIS BOARD. THIS IS THE MOAT. THIS IS THE WALL.
I have some experience with the items you're listing as I spent 5 years working for Northrop Grumman back in the day on closely related subjects. One of my degrees is in chemistry.
I'm well aware it's a "wall".
You'll never find a post made by me on this subject.
My initial post was simply one of curiosity as misinformation on other subjects is not treated with nearly as much hostility.
Great comments/questions.
Hard to believe? No.
Hard to prove? Thats different.
Its one thing to say it. But for proper research, you need to reference the evidence through direct links to the actual reports and statements.
Dont just mention the patents, reference them. Link them with good statements and more reseach how they could be used.
Link/post the public figures statements, so they can be analyzed further. The people can then be researched further for how it links. Bank records, payoffs, board member associations. Those in the know are involved and can be exposed.
Heavy metals need time-indexed to specific times, so can be cross-checked with flight logs. Compared to type of aircraft, and other specific info to identify the aircraft, which might be FOIA'ed for any strange modifications like chemical holding tanks, sprayer assemblies, relations to companies that do those things.
Lots of good research starts out with individual strings, which eventually expose a pattern, which can end up showing the tapestry.
I'm not aware of any of this having been done by anyone. Heavy metal in soils is real, but no one has linked it to anything substantial outside of conjecture.
I dont think mods would be objective to this type of research.
"Its one thing to say it. But for proper research, you need to reference the evidence through direct links to the actual reports and statements."
I'll stop you right there. I have zero interest in spending hours collating the hard data I have on this subject and presenting here when there's already enormous headwinds from the moderators. It's time I don't have for little to no reward.
"Heavy metals need time-indexed to specific times, so can be cross-checked with flight logs."
There have been several scientific teams that have performed before & after samplings of the water and surface areas (grass, trees, etc). There's no cross checking flight logs. These planes are nearly always unmarked and nearly always do not have transponders (or disabled transponders) despite the legal requirement.
There are many people out there that have done good, meticulous work on this subject.
The reason for my post is simply confusion. To be brutally candid, GAW is deluged by terrible posts that have not been validated, corroborated or properly sourced on a daily basis. But GeoEngineering and CT posts are verboten and have been for a very long time. That is to say nothing of the other extremely fringe, less-supported theories that frequently find their way onto this board.
Again, I have zero interest in burning the hours required to do posts on this subject that are up to my personal standard. My original post was simply about me being curious as to why this is a hot button issue. Doubly so when anecdotally, I'd say the majority of the community thinks there's a "there there".
While i cant say too much about your multiple responses, and i totally respect your opinion, you do inadvertantly support my case, bigly.
Regardless of the contentious state of the topic here, you never disagreed or refuted that you could, in fact, get the topic posted if you put effort into it, which you've also vehemently declined to do. Again, like others, you've stated there is proof but refuse to post any other than anecdotal.
Dont get me wrong. I agree with you, this and flat earth have gotten extra reactions from pedes and mods. I dont pretend to know exactly why either.
However, i know if someone does as I've suggested, that would be a quality post, and should not be taken down, and i would fight a mod if they did.
To be transparent, cloud seeding has long now been admitted to be real, as has been weather manipulation. To what degree, how, why, and how it has been abused by team evil has yet to be seen, or how it can be stopped.
But, as i said before, lots of quality posts have been here, but none of quality about this topic, at least that I've seen. I wish there had been, I'm very interested in the topic.
"you do inadvertantly support my case, bigly"
I certainly don't see how.
"this and flat earth have gotten extra reactions from pedes and mods"
The flat earthers deserve the extra reactions.
There is also the problem that if there were no chemtrails, there would still be contrails. They would still cross the sky. It is a "problem" whose harm is difficult to prove, whose existence is also difficult to prove, and whose absence is impossible to prove. One can hardly ask for a more perfect distraction to occupy time and attention.
Oh, and correct, quality posts have beenfewer as time has gone by. Then again, while we love research, we have had fun too:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12j0MXgwid/115-104-97-108-108-32-119-101-32/
https://greatawakening.win/p/11S0l2CyMF/we-will-become-the-news-after-th/c/
True the effort has gone down as people just depend on this site for news and think it just magically appears. I post 20 times a day. And I mean no disrespect to you, but, it's laughable watching you complain about the quality of posts here on GAW when your last post here was 63 days ago.
The problem is is that when contrails conditions are prevalent, all jets leave contrails equally. Is your argument that all jets are spraying, or only some jets are spring? Yes we have patents for spraying aerosols from airplanes. But how do we explain the absence of dedicated tanks in the airplanes? I know so many aircraft mechanics from my time working in the airlines. I have never once met someone that actually works in aircraft maintenance or operations that believes in chemtrails. They know that it is absolutely patiently ridiculous. Explain the mechanism. If there's no dedicated tanks and spraying, or injection into the engine, because we don't have those systems, then it must be in the fuel. Okay, well, as I reference above in a different comment, I worked in airline refueling after high school, we sample the jet fuel every time we refill in order to prove that we did not give them contaminated fuel. Nobody cared as long as I filed the vials. If I had taken a second vial of fuel a sample home in my jacket nobody would have cared. Because nobody cares because nothing's in the fuel.
I'll also add in regard to this statement:
"Credible discussions were kept."
This is simply not true. There have been multiple posts from mods over the years stating that anyone posting about it will get a temp ban. There was no discernment.
Again (in reference to my first reply to you), this isn't a hill that I have any interest in dying on. It's a subject of research for me but there are far larger problems in the world that have the bulk of my attention.
It's simply curiosity on my part as to why this subject is treated differently around here.
I remember, straight to...
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Over twenty five years ago hello, where has they been
I know a pilot that will argue this, we have many times. I can't wait until he sees the truth.
The pilot is right, though.
In what way is he right? Are you saying they're not spraying?
Airlines are not intentionally "spraying" chemicals to poison us. So many people think contrails are chemtrails. Does DARPA modify weather? In my opinion, YES! Are contrails from the airlines chemtrails? Absolutely not.
I don't think it's commercial either. Though it wouldn't surprise me at all
Those Red Dot Lasers scooting across the couch, walls, and curtains sure do drive cats to distraction.
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I can't say what is actually being done other than I can track the flights with eyes-on confirmation (where I live mostly Alaska Airlines flights flying to SeaTac) and I can't stand my beautiful clear blue sky being ruined with aerial graffiti. It they're trying to blot out the sun to stop global warming it needs to stop. Leave God's creation alone, including our DNA.
They outlawed it in FL, but they're still spraying us. I guess DARPA is above the law.
Also FL is downwind of the whole continent…ya’ll get it all…
Yea, oh, please keep your out house door closed, thank you 😆🤣
Since you seem to have a clear line of sight where you live what can you make out when viewed through a good pair of binoculars? When I try I cannot make out any commercial markings. What I've seen appear to me to be grayish white unmarked vehicles.
ADS-B Exchange will identify the aircraft. I look there and grab my binoculars to make visual contact. I'm close to PDX and working on a hilltop in Camas with an unobstructed view of the sky. When someone says its contrails, I ask them; how come I see the plane with nothing behind it, then it comes on at same altitude and airspeed. And then I see it stop at the same altitude and airspeed. Contrails disappear after the aircraft. It isn't turned on and off like skywriting. Contrails also don't spread out from a line to hazy thin layer.
Contrails <> Chemtrails
Alaska is a major major route for the global airline cargo networks. They are spring because they are passing over at altitude, planes fly 20% higher than they used to 30 years ago. The air is incredibly dry up at these altitudes
RFK Jr. banned in 3, 2, 1.
Thanks for finally admitting what we have long known!
Funny, a certain mod here banned me and called me a “chemtard” for suggesting this 🧐
Tard Jail been there: 😂 https://imgs.search.brave.com/StTst931NeuJjFhkYEWLVkTMQHV6COAkXY25SA5YGiE/rs:fit:500:0:1:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9paDEu/cmVkYnViYmxlLm5l/dC9pbWFnZS45OTIz/OTM0MzcuMjQ5My9y/YWYsMzYweDM2MCww/NzUsdCxmYWZhZmE6/Y2E0NDNmNDc4Ni5q/cGc
Gee and I remember the day when bringing up the word chemtrails was the biggest conspiracy theory rabbit hole that was never to be talked about… I like it when things come full circle…
I think chemtrails are real and that they aren't contrails.
Wow, really? We had no clue, thanks.
Hallelujah! Blue skys and genuine rain. Bless that man.
Great thing to say, sure, but i wish he'd bring the receipts.
Is this the opening salvo, testing the waters to pique interest?
GA - BAN .. (last year)
I'm just left wondering how the chemicals survive the combustion process in a jet engine, or better yet, how the chemicals manage to not interfere with the combustion process. Jet fuel is normally a very stringently controlled composition.
That's part of the problem with this topic.
How do you know that the chemicals are being dispersed through jet fuel exhaust? Other speculation has been through easily installed disbursement nozzles on the wingtips.
Evidence to support is helpful, like schematics, documentation, official memos, emails, FOIA docs, testimony from engineers, etc.
A good start would be to provide foundational research, such as the standard composition of Jet A and Jet A-1, along with JP-8, JP-5 and even Avgas, 100LL and variants.
From there you could expand (with evidence) how contaminants are handled, and what the impact on engines would be, to see if it would even be possible or would ruin engines.
I'm quite sure there is already documentation on this topic researched and published by any number of agencies, just waiting to be sourced.
I'm kinda surprised nobody mentioned O'Keefe @Davos with the undercover video...
https://x.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/2013709637363630273
Still not "proof"...but stirs the pot...
u/#catdance
I have to say, last night was one of the clearest nights I have seen in years here. It was a beautiful star-filled sky, and I enjoyed it immensely, so thanks WHs. This morning, though, super hazy again. Guess they needed to block some of the solar storms or provide cover for other fun things that currently need to be hidden.
If what they were doing was for our good they would tell us.
Why?...Also, "For our good" is a VERY relative term. And who do you mean by us? Everyone? Because that is who would be told. Unless you think the the WHs are gonna PM some of us and trust us not to tell anyone (top kek 😂). Use your brain more. If we know about it for sure everyone can (and especially the enemy) know it for sure. That being said, you can use science and logic to prove what is actually happening. Weather or not you want to tell anyone else and have them believe you is another story.
Yeah, and............
So suit up:
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u/#kek
Great! How bout you stop it now??
I don't have a 'Patriot missile battery' at the moment, let me check E-Bay & I'll get back with you. 😂
I mean, I think Ukraine is probably selling some US stingers at bargain basement prices….
And?????
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Hi Cats and mods. Just musing... If anything is added to jet fuel and jet fuel is becoming pricey and rare... It would follow that the possible thing would also perhaps become rare too. I perceive automobile traffic to be less. Any cloud watchers observing less massive parallel cloud formations?