I too would like to hear more. I am also a Christian but am on the fence between alien/inter dimensional and demons. There is not enough evidence for me to take a position so I would like to hear your story.
Not something I talk about much, but I've had 4 UAP sightings in my life starting at about 10yrs old (early '80's). 3 daytime sightings (all in the city), and one night time in the country. All with witnesses. All close enough to see it for what it was. I'm keeping an open mind about the whole thing.
I have saw some UAP's myself. The first one was like 45 years ago. My family saw a white probe/light that was flying circles around a 747 that was taking off at the airport near our home. The plane flew away, the probe stopped following the plane and was hovering above us for 30 seconds, motionless.Maybe 1000 feet above us. Then it flew over the horizon and was gone in split second.
The second instance was a few years ago. I saw aprox 60 white lights flying in formation. There was 7 rows, 7 or 8 in each row. There were 20 more jotting aroung that were different colors, red, orange, yellow.They were very faint, flying above typical altitude of normal aircraft. They all eventually faded out of sight. They didn't fly away over the horizon, they just vanished.
I think an agreed upon definition of aliens is needed before we making claims about what did what to who. Why would an inter-dimensional being be any different than an alien why would either of those be any different from a demon?
Satan is the master of all deception so be careful about making claims about what is what and thinking anything is separate from Satan’s handy work. His greatest deceptions might be that he doesn’t exist or that he is physically recognizable if he does. As if he wears a red suit and carries a matching pitchfork.
Satan will always be the most desirable and attractive apparitions, thoughts, feelings, and emotions. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal his presence and works.
Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
This verse emphasizes the importance of discernment and staying grounded in truth.
Well, it kind of does actually. If humans were made in God’s image, we were corrupted by sin, and Jesus came to die for us, what does that say about us if aliens are real? We aren’t as special as the Bible makes man out to be? Did aliens fall to sin and Jesus came to them in a different time in their form and died for their sins as well?
Image may not mean physical appearance. It may mean a form of consciousness. We are spiritual beings in the end aren't we ... We are only stuck in these decaying meatbags for a limited time :-).
Irrelevant. Why would they have to repeat our path?
"Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Then later we are reminded of this MANY times, one of which is:
"Psalms 115:15-16
15 May you be blessed by the lord,
who made heaven and earth.
16 The heavens belong to the lord,
but he has given the earth to all humanity."
Just because God made both doesn't mean a shared or similar development path is required. If you want to say God is revealed to aliens, it could be in any form you could imagine.
If you say he is not revealed, what form would that take, a species devoid of religious concept? Maybe they're receptive to discussion or witnessing because they never considered their origins?
Only if you put a limitation on God. I don’t yes we can be in his image and yes we can be his favorites and yes so could “someone” else. This doesn’t in my mind diminish our importance it extended his capacity to be all things and have infinite love and attention for all of creation.
Prophets taken up to heaven by angels? Pretty terrifying to contemplate. The usual encounter with angels in the Bible begins with them saying "Don't be afraid."
In order to induce cultural amnesia, that's why. The team behind (controlled) disclosure wants to work with a clean slate. In order to do that they need to drop the pop culture baggage attached to the term UFO. And - this is critical - to reset the clock. Any information, any footage prior to the blurry Navy "tic-tac" video is treated as non-existent. The work of UFO historians such as Richard Dolan is not welcome in this group's agenda.
I operate from the viewpoint that there is and has been a behind-the-scenes battle over UFO information, which has in recent years spilled out into public awareness. Within the United States alone there are no fewer than four competing groups.
Group 1. The SOL Foundation group is the driving force behind what has made the mainstream news cycle, TV shows, plus congressional hearings. Central figures include Christopher Mellon, Hal Putoff, Luis Elizondo, Steve Justice, and Leslie Kean. This group evolved out of the To The Stars Academy (TTSA), founded in 2017. The media campaign was launched by Leslie Kean's December 2017 New York Times article "leaking" the tic-tac video. I affiliate this group with the Democrat aligned deep state. They are the protagonists in this story moving the plot forward.
Group 2. Stephen Greer is the tip of the spear of Israeli Intelligence. His UFO Disclosure Press Conference exactly 25 years ago at the National Press Club in DC was a pivotal event in bringing suppressed information to light. Following his career arc convinces me that he is not on our side.
Group 3. The Trump and Q Team. The composition of this team is far less visible. I'm inclined to believe it is aligned to the NSA and Space Force, and with some but not all aerospace contractors. It seems to me they are acting in reaction to the movements of the Christopher Mellon group. The Obama "slip" followed by Trump's reaction is an example. Today's release of files gives some indication of their counter-move strategy.
Group 4. The traditional hard-liners who want to keep everything under total wraps, forever.
Group 1 has published their roadmap by the way. It is found at the 27m15s mark of the lecture The Schumer Amendment & Controlled Disclosure by Karl Nell, delivered two years ago. I'll summarize the phases. Schumer in the title refers to our favorite New York gangsta fella, Chuck Schumer.
Phase 0. To January 2022. Shaping the narrative.
Phase 1. To January 2024. Demonstrate Existence.
Phase 2. To January 2026. Correlate Signatures.
Phase 3. To October 2030. Characterize Performance.
Phase 4. To October 2034. Determine Nature.
Phase 5. Indefinite. Engagement.
Strategic Endstate
o Proper oversight restored
o Catastrophic disclosure avoided
o Scientific understanding advanced
My take on it is that they think the truth cannot continue to be contained. They are attempting to get ahead of it through a 20-year long controlled disclosure. They have plans to move classified technology into the public domain while maintaining control. And make oodles of money. Expect to see Skunkworks-like projects move to the acknowledged military industrial complex. (If they get their way.)
Jesse Michaels does a podcast about UFOs. He does an interview with a religious professor named Diana Pasulka that wrote a book about someone with the highest clearance of space force named Tim E Taylor (he also wrote a book called Launch Fever) where they talk about being part of a secret time traveler group out of Nassau. This Tim guy also met with Chris Bledsoe and both Tim and Dianna were invited to the Vatican archive. Chris said he didn't go with him but Chris has a ufo that follows him arround. He said people came out of the ufo and gave him an object. A being came out of the object that looked like a celestial cow and when he turned arround it was a woman. She said her name was Sophia or hathor. His story is wild. I do not know what to make of all this.
Thank you for that link. I've not seen it. I watch some Jesse Michaels podcasts but not all. His interviews are long and there are only so many waking hours in the day. I do appreciate his willingness to go beyond "how did it make you feel?" type questions and get into details. His recent interview with Bob Lazar is my favorite of all of the interviews Lazar has given.
I am aware of the Chris Bledsoe story. His is interesting for being so far outside the norm. The majority of encounters tell a familiar plot line involving the short and tall greys. Without having better words to describe it, Bledsoe's story amounts to "visited by angels". The outlier encounters are intriguing, and impactful in what they imply.
If the inherent complexity of this topic were not enough, decades of government obfuscation makes it exceedingly difficult for us regular bears (and bers) to pick through. I come from the vantage point not of an experiencer, but as a former card-carrying ardent skeptic.
I don't know, but maybe some of these objects aren't "flying" per say, but rather they move around in the air using unknown techniques that are simply called phenomena.
It could just be trying to be more accurate by being more vague.
It morphed from aerial phenomena to anamolous phenomena. My understanding is UAP is a catch-all term for paranormal phenomena. UFO is a very specific thing whereas UAP allowed researchers much more room to investigate. Many people who experience an alien/UFO encounter also encounter cryptids or have poltergeist activities after the fact, which is part of the reason for the expansion of scope.
From the beginning, UFOs were unknown and the results of Project Blue Book (Dr. Hynek) showed that 90% of them were simply misidentified natural phenomena. UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) is just a new nameplate for what was mostly phenomena in the first place. Nothing about modern times prevents misidentification of natural phenomena. (Cryptids or poltergeists are not "aerial," so would not logically be included in UAP.)
It’s all fucking BS. UAP. “Unidentified”. Learn to read. If they identified it as a demon, alien, interdemensional being, etc. then it would NOT be in the fucking files.
Well, that dynasty is steeped in a plethora of occult habbenings and connections to other dynastic families power plays both here and across the pond. They're also the inspiration for the characters from the television series Dark Shadows.
Not to mention their heritage includes the Merovingians of Appalachia whom of which tie into the pre-colonization of America rabbit holes.
There's enough overlap when researching that one could speculate the Collins DNA to be linked to a Nephilim lineage.
I think they are linked. I think they traded technology for human trafficking and have been hiding the Nephilim in the deep underground military bases. We did have 17 explosions that line up with the DUMBS after VIP Tulsi Gabbard showed up and left. Maybe she showed up and blew them up.
This is relevant from Rev Howard Storm’s near death experience in the 1980s where he went from atheist to Christian after meeting Jesus & Angels. He asked about other life in the Universe and was shown over 100 intelligent species. He asked how Jesus related to all these civilisations and was told Jesus visited most/all of them. Reception varied!
Self professed Christians in this thread and their mental gymnastics are amazing. If et is real it absolutely changes and challenges all belief but only if you’re seeking the truth.
I guess I won't be down voted here anymore when I say aliens are real.
I'm a Christian. I was abducted by aliens, I'm not the only one. I'm not crazy.
Time to wake up to reality!
Please tell us more. I'm fascinated with such accounts.
I too would like to hear more. I am also a Christian but am on the fence between alien/inter dimensional and demons. There is not enough evidence for me to take a position so I would like to hear your story.
The reality is if there are aliens, demon or space, does not change or cause issue with Christianity or protestant belief.
That I'm aware of there is nothing in the Holy Bible that would break if either of those became factual.
Not something I talk about much, but I've had 4 UAP sightings in my life starting at about 10yrs old (early '80's). 3 daytime sightings (all in the city), and one night time in the country. All with witnesses. All close enough to see it for what it was. I'm keeping an open mind about the whole thing.
Very cool👌
I have saw some UAP's myself. The first one was like 45 years ago. My family saw a white probe/light that was flying circles around a 747 that was taking off at the airport near our home. The plane flew away, the probe stopped following the plane and was hovering above us for 30 seconds, motionless.Maybe 1000 feet above us. Then it flew over the horizon and was gone in split second.
The second instance was a few years ago. I saw aprox 60 white lights flying in formation. There was 7 rows, 7 or 8 in each row. There were 20 more jotting aroung that were different colors, red, orange, yellow.They were very faint, flying above typical altitude of normal aircraft. They all eventually faded out of sight. They didn't fly away over the horizon, they just vanished.
I think an agreed upon definition of aliens is needed before we making claims about what did what to who. Why would an inter-dimensional being be any different than an alien why would either of those be any different from a demon?
Satan is the master of all deception so be careful about making claims about what is what and thinking anything is separate from Satan’s handy work. His greatest deceptions might be that he doesn’t exist or that he is physically recognizable if he does. As if he wears a red suit and carries a matching pitchfork.
Satan will always be the most desirable and attractive apparitions, thoughts, feelings, and emotions. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal his presence and works.
Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
This verse emphasizes the importance of discernment and staying grounded in truth.
This, 100%.
This is why the topic of alien existence is an inconsequential argument when it comes to faith, and religion in general.
Their existence doesn't contradict or "disprove" anything in the Holy Bible.
Well, it kind of does actually. If humans were made in God’s image, we were corrupted by sin, and Jesus came to die for us, what does that say about us if aliens are real? We aren’t as special as the Bible makes man out to be? Did aliens fall to sin and Jesus came to them in a different time in their form and died for their sins as well?
Image may not mean physical appearance. It may mean a form of consciousness. We are spiritual beings in the end aren't we ... We are only stuck in these decaying meatbags for a limited time :-).
Irrelevant. Why would they have to repeat our path?
"Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Then later we are reminded of this MANY times, one of which is:
"Psalms 115:15-16 15 May you be blessed by the lord, who made heaven and earth. 16 The heavens belong to the lord, but he has given the earth to all humanity."
Just because God made both doesn't mean a shared or similar development path is required. If you want to say God is revealed to aliens, it could be in any form you could imagine.
If you say he is not revealed, what form would that take, a species devoid of religious concept? Maybe they're receptive to discussion or witnessing because they never considered their origins?
Only if you put a limitation on God. I don’t yes we can be in his image and yes we can be his favorites and yes so could “someone” else. This doesn’t in my mind diminish our importance it extended his capacity to be all things and have infinite love and attention for all of creation.
Demons! Tell us your story!
Not just demons. Angels also.
Why would Angels kidnap and terrify you??
Not all Angels serve God
Hence demons
Demons are
specificallypresumably deceased angels.Umm, where does it say in the Bible that angels can die? It only describes fallen angels
Prophets taken up to heaven by angels? Pretty terrifying to contemplate. The usual encounter with angels in the Bible begins with them saying "Don't be afraid."
“Demons” would be identified; therefore, they are not in the fucking UAP files.
17 pages.
Pretty incredible stuff. 161 files - 17 pages.
Last file contains testimony from federal agents who saw some crazy things in 2023: https://www.war.gov/UFO/#Western-US-Event
Why’d they change it from UFO to UAP?
In order to induce cultural amnesia, that's why. The team behind (controlled) disclosure wants to work with a clean slate. In order to do that they need to drop the pop culture baggage attached to the term UFO. And - this is critical - to reset the clock. Any information, any footage prior to the blurry Navy "tic-tac" video is treated as non-existent. The work of UFO historians such as Richard Dolan is not welcome in this group's agenda.
I operate from the viewpoint that there is and has been a behind-the-scenes battle over UFO information, which has in recent years spilled out into public awareness. Within the United States alone there are no fewer than four competing groups.
Group 1. The SOL Foundation group is the driving force behind what has made the mainstream news cycle, TV shows, plus congressional hearings. Central figures include Christopher Mellon, Hal Putoff, Luis Elizondo, Steve Justice, and Leslie Kean. This group evolved out of the To The Stars Academy (TTSA), founded in 2017. The media campaign was launched by Leslie Kean's December 2017 New York Times article "leaking" the tic-tac video. I affiliate this group with the Democrat aligned deep state. They are the protagonists in this story moving the plot forward.
Group 2. Stephen Greer is the tip of the spear of Israeli Intelligence. His UFO Disclosure Press Conference exactly 25 years ago at the National Press Club in DC was a pivotal event in bringing suppressed information to light. Following his career arc convinces me that he is not on our side.
Group 3. The Trump and Q Team. The composition of this team is far less visible. I'm inclined to believe it is aligned to the NSA and Space Force, and with some but not all aerospace contractors. It seems to me they are acting in reaction to the movements of the Christopher Mellon group. The Obama "slip" followed by Trump's reaction is an example. Today's release of files gives some indication of their counter-move strategy.
Group 4. The traditional hard-liners who want to keep everything under total wraps, forever.
Group 1 has published their roadmap by the way. It is found at the 27m15s mark of the lecture The Schumer Amendment & Controlled Disclosure by Karl Nell, delivered two years ago. I'll summarize the phases. Schumer in the title refers to our favorite New York gangsta fella, Chuck Schumer.
Phase 0. To January 2022. Shaping the narrative.
Phase 1. To January 2024. Demonstrate Existence.
Phase 2. To January 2026. Correlate Signatures.
Phase 3. To October 2030. Characterize Performance.
Phase 4. To October 2034. Determine Nature.
Phase 5. Indefinite. Engagement.
Strategic Endstate
o Proper oversight restored
o Catastrophic disclosure avoided
o Scientific understanding advanced
My take on it is that they think the truth cannot continue to be contained. They are attempting to get ahead of it through a 20-year long controlled disclosure. They have plans to move classified technology into the public domain while maintaining control. And make oodles of money. Expect to see Skunkworks-like projects move to the acknowledged military industrial complex. (If they get their way.)
Jesse Michaels does a podcast about UFOs. He does an interview with a religious professor named Diana Pasulka that wrote a book about someone with the highest clearance of space force named Tim E Taylor (he also wrote a book called Launch Fever) where they talk about being part of a secret time traveler group out of Nassau. This Tim guy also met with Chris Bledsoe and both Tim and Dianna were invited to the Vatican archive. Chris said he didn't go with him but Chris has a ufo that follows him arround. He said people came out of the ufo and gave him an object. A being came out of the object that looked like a celestial cow and when he turned arround it was a woman. She said her name was Sophia or hathor. His story is wild. I do not know what to make of all this.
https://youtu.be/tS_64sTN5AU?si=8x5x7cvSp4fbSs9x
Thank you for that link. I've not seen it. I watch some Jesse Michaels podcasts but not all. His interviews are long and there are only so many waking hours in the day. I do appreciate his willingness to go beyond "how did it make you feel?" type questions and get into details. His recent interview with Bob Lazar is my favorite of all of the interviews Lazar has given.
I am aware of the Chris Bledsoe story. His is interesting for being so far outside the norm. The majority of encounters tell a familiar plot line involving the short and tall greys. Without having better words to describe it, Bledsoe's story amounts to "visited by angels". The outlier encounters are intriguing, and impactful in what they imply.
If the inherent complexity of this topic were not enough, decades of government obfuscation makes it exceedingly difficult for us regular bears (and bers) to pick through. I come from the vantage point not of an experiencer, but as a former card-carrying ardent skeptic.
Which is why it's so important that they release it all
I don't know, but maybe some of these objects aren't "flying" per say, but rather they move around in the air using unknown techniques that are simply called phenomena.
It could just be trying to be more accurate by being more vague.
It morphed from aerial phenomena to anamolous phenomena. My understanding is UAP is a catch-all term for paranormal phenomena. UFO is a very specific thing whereas UAP allowed researchers much more room to investigate. Many people who experience an alien/UFO encounter also encounter cryptids or have poltergeist activities after the fact, which is part of the reason for the expansion of scope.
From the beginning, UFOs were unknown and the results of Project Blue Book (Dr. Hynek) showed that 90% of them were simply misidentified natural phenomena. UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) is just a new nameplate for what was mostly phenomena in the first place. Nothing about modern times prevents misidentification of natural phenomena. (Cryptids or poltergeists are not "aerial," so would not logically be included in UAP.)
I 🩷 your username fren 😂
I think more technical but always kind of thought it was to avoid FOIA on UFO.
Good question. Unidentified balloons?
I don't believe in martians/or space aliens, but I absolutely 100% believe in angels and demons. They are certainly real. space aliens, no.
Tha k you for this link. It should be fun digging into it.
The first actual drip......
It’s all fucking BS. UAP. “Unidentified”. Learn to read. If they identified it as a demon, alien, interdemensional being, etc. then it would NOT be in the fucking files.
This is a gigantic FUCK YOU.
Ty for posting!
UAP
What a fucking joke!
If it is unidentified then it is NOT in the fucking files.
u/#q4149 Nice six year delta.
Anyone know anything about the Collins Elite?
Well, that dynasty is steeped in a plethora of occult habbenings and connections to other dynastic families power plays both here and across the pond. They're also the inspiration for the characters from the television series Dark Shadows.
Not to mention their heritage includes the Merovingians of Appalachia whom of which tie into the pre-colonization of America rabbit holes.
There's enough overlap when researching that one could speculate the Collins DNA to be linked to a Nephilim lineage.
I think they are linked. I think they traded technology for human trafficking and have been hiding the Nephilim in the deep underground military bases. We did have 17 explosions that line up with the DUMBS after VIP Tulsi Gabbard showed up and left. Maybe she showed up and blew them up.
This is relevant from Rev Howard Storm’s near death experience in the 1980s where he went from atheist to Christian after meeting Jesus & Angels. He asked about other life in the Universe and was shown over 100 intelligent species. He asked how Jesus related to all these civilisations and was told Jesus visited most/all of them. Reception varied!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wbKmPrlgIPU&pp=ygUdaG93YXJkIHN0b3JtIGxpZmUgaW4gdW5pdmVyc2U%3D&ra=m
UFOs are summons by doing rituals. They are 100% spiritual. This is Pandoras box!
Mister Moulder
It mentions the city where I currently live. I knew there some odd people around here.
Self professed Christians in this thread and their mental gymnastics are amazing. If et is real it absolutely changes and challenges all belief but only if you’re seeking the truth.