It shouldn't be too hard to find eyewitnesses to the screaming for interview?
I'm leaning towards people wanting the mark. The Beast Kingdom will be so "bissfull/peaceful" (since it [falsely] copies the true millennial kingdom of Christ) that people will want to take a mark to participate in it.
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Example: "the rapture" was not even spoken of before the 1800s and appears NOWHERE in the Bible.
While the specific term "rapture" as understood in modern pre-tribulation contexts might not have been explicitly used by early church fathers, many early Christian writings reflect an expectation of a sudden, transformative event involving the return of Christ. For instance:
Irenaeus(130-202 AD): In his work "Against Heresies," Irenaeus speaks of believers being taken up, which aligns with rapture-like themes. He also emphasizes the idea of the resurrection of the just before the final tribulation.
Hippolytus(170-235 AD): In his writings, he refers to the church being taken away from the world during the time of the Antichrist.
Cyprian(200-258 AD): He speaks of God’s people being taken away to avoid the trials and tribulations of the end times.
Apocalyptic Literature: The expectation of Christ’s return and the accompanying transformation of believers is evident in apocalyptic literature. The "Shepherd of Hermas" (early 2nd century) depicts a vision of the faithful being protected and delivered from tribulation, resonating with the idea of a rapture.
Scriptural Basis: Several New Testament passages form the scriptural basis for the rapture doctrine:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: Paul speaks of believers being "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52: Paul describes a transformation of believers at the last trumpet, which many interpret as a reference to the rapture.
Post-Apostolic Era to Pre-Millennialism: During the post-apostolic era, the church grappled with interpreting eschatological prophecies. The rise of amillennialism and postmillennialism in later centuries led to a variety of views on the end times, often overshadowing pre-millennial and rapture-related themes.
John Nelson Darby: In the 19th century, Darby systematized the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine, integrating it with dispensationalism. This brought a renewed focus on the imminence of Christ’s return and the distinct role of the church.
Schofield Reference Bible: The publication of the Schofield Reference Bible (1909) with its comprehensive notes further popularized pre-tribulation rapture theology, making it accessible to a broader audience.
Let's not forget Enoch and Elijah were both raptured.
Soon to all be united in their hatred towards the choos.
The Diddler Waltz
I frequently wave my hand at theological and eschatological positions that arent as old as our nation.
I’ve shown this statement to be partly false.
You want to see me wave my hands over Mormonism, woman pastors, homosexuality in the church, Jehovah's witnesses, prosperity gospel, and lots of other stuff?
I’ll wave with you! Kek
Preterism isn't the only kid on the block, my friend.
Darbyism is absolutely unbiblical and bonkers.
This is one impressive handwave.
@Datasinc, I use to be Pre-Trib Rap, but have moved to Pre-Wrath Rap.
Ultimately, I'm Pan-Trib....it will all pan out in the end. :P
KJV onlyizm is silly
That's a fact!
The belief in the rapture was a completely fringe idea and eschatological position and virtually unheard of in the church up until a couple hundred years ago with the publication of the Schofield reference Bible which was the first Bible of its kind with footnotes and explanations of difficult passages
While the specific term "rapture" as understood in modern pre-tribulation contexts might not have been explicitly used by early church fathers, many early Christian writings reflect an expectation of a sudden, transformative event involving the return of Christ. For instance:
- Irenaeus (130-202 AD): In his work "Against Heresies," Irenaeus speaks of believers being taken up, which aligns with rapture-like themes. He also emphasizes the idea of the resurrection of the just before the final tribulation.
- Hippolytus (170-235 AD): In his writings, he refers to the church being taken away from the world during the time of the Antichrist.
- Cyprian (200-258 AD): He speaks of God’s people being taken away to avoid the trials and tribulations of the end times.
Apocalyptic Literature: The expectation of Christ’s return and the accompanying transformation of believers is evident in apocalyptic literature. The "Shepherd of Hermas" (early 2nd century) depicts a vision of the faithful being protected and delivered from tribulation, resonating with the idea of a rapture.
Scriptural Basis: Several New Testament passages form the scriptural basis for the rapture doctrine:
- 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17: Paul speaks of believers being "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air.
- 1 Corinthians 15:51-52: Paul describes a transformation of believers at the last trumpet, which many interpret as a reference to the rapture.
Post-Apostolic Era to Pre-Millennialism: During the post-apostolic era, the church grappled with interpreting eschatological prophecies. The rise of amillennialism and postmillennialism in later centuries led to a variety of views on the end times, often overshadowing pre-millennial and rapture-related themes.
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John Nelson Darby: In the 19th century, Darby systematized the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine, integrating it with dispensationalism. This brought a renewed focus on the imminence of Christ’s return and the distinct role of the church.
- Schofield Reference Bible: The publication of the Schofield Reference Bible (1909) with its comprehensive notes further popularized pre-tribulation rapture theology, making it accessible to a broader audience.
Let's not forget Enoch and Elijah were both raptured.
Not all Christians who support Israel do so because of dispensationalism.
Dispensationalism (yes, popularized by the Scofield Bible in the early 20th century) does emphasize Israel's role in prophecy but isn’t the sole reason for Christian support. Many non-dispensationalist Christians back Israel due to its historical significance, strategic alliances, and moral right to exist.
Moreover, supporting Israel doesn’t automatically mean endorsing all its policies or sending troops overseas. Theological beliefs and political actions are distinct, and decisions on military support are complex, involving multiple factors beyond any one theological view.
So, conflating dispensationalism with unconditional support for Israel oversimplifies the issue and ignores the diversity of reasons behind such support.
This is the spirit of the Beast system which will eventually kill Jews (the Harlot in Revelation 17) AND Christians for being perceived as the Worlds problems, ushering in the false light kingdom of the Antichrist.
...the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."
John 16:2
And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands.
Revelation 20:4
Dispensationalism is simply a theological framework that sees God's redemptive plan unfolding in distinct periods or "dispensations." While the formal system we know today was developed in the 19th century, some of its core ideas actually have roots in early Christian thought.
The doctrine he adheres to was introduced to Chrisitians with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible.
The early church recognized different periods in God's plan. For example, they distinguished between the Mosaic Law and the New Covenant through Christ (Hebrews 8:6-13). Paul also spoke of "times" and "epochs" in God's plan (Acts 17:30, Ephesians 1:10), which hints at the dispensational view of different phases in redemptive history.
Early church fathers like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus expected a future, literal reign of Christ on earth. This premillennial view is a key part of dispensational eschatology.
In the first century, the church wrestled with the relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers. Paul addressed this issue often, maintaining distinct roles for Israel and the Church while affirming their unity in Christ (Romans 11, Ephesians 2:11-22). This aligns with dispensationalism's idea of distinct but interconnected roles for Israel and the Church.
This "Christian" reference Bible was bankrolled by a group of NY Jews.
This assertion is highly speculative and lacks credible historical evidence.
While dispensationalism as a formal system was popularized by the Scofield Study Bible in the 20th century, the basic concepts have been around since the early church. It's fascinating to see how early Christians already had an understanding of God's distinct phases in His redemptive plan, even if they didn't use the term "dispensationalism."
There is no "Jewish conspiracy" around the Scofield study Bible as you are insinuating.
You should move this topic to conspiracies.win to die.
I get where you’re coming from, and it’s definitely a tough concept to wrap your head around. The idea of eternal punishment for finite actions can seem really harsh, especially when we think about it from our human perspective.
It’s not just about individual acts like lying or stealing. Sin, in the Christian view, is more about being separated from a perfectly holy God. Since God is infinitely holy, even the smallest sin is a big deal in that context.
From our standpoint, eternal punishment seems overkill. But God’s sense of justice is perfect and way beyond what we can fully grasp. His understanding of sin’s impact is on a cosmic level that we can't always see.
God gave us free will to choose Him or not. Hell is seen not just as punishment but as a consequence of choosing to live apart from God. It’s like God respects our choices to the point that He lets us decide our eternal destiny.
The core of Christianity is that God provided a way out through Jesus. Jesus’ death and resurrection offer a way to reconcile with God, highlighting His love and mercy. Salvation is a free gift available to everyone who wants it.
The Bible says God doesn’t want anyone to perish but wants everyone to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). He offers salvation to all, which shows His loving and kind nature.
I hope this gives you a different perspective. It’s definitely a challenging topic, but it’s worth exploring further. Thanks for the thoughtful discussion!
@UltraMagaOK, your concern about original sin and its impact on newborns is understandable. The doctrine of original sin can indeed seem harsh at first glance. However, it's important to remember a few things from a theological perspective:
Human Nature: The concept of original sin doesn't mean that newborns are guilty of specific sins like lying or stealing. Instead, it points to the inherent human tendency towards sin, which we can observe in how children naturally exhibit selfish behaviors.
Age of Accountability: Many Christians believe in an age of accountability, where young children are seen as innocent and not held accountable for their actions until they reach an age where they can understand right and wrong (See below verses).
Redemption and Grace: The core of Christianity is the belief that Jesus Christ came to redeem humanity from sin. This includes the effects of original sin. God's grace is abundant, and children are often seen under His special care and mercy.
Parental Guidance: Parents play a crucial role in guiding their children towards understanding moral and ethical behavior. Teaching children to tell the truth and respect others is part of nurturing their growth and countering the natural inclinations towards selfishness.
@GMFactual, you raised a good point about whether we have to teach children to lie or steal. It seems that these behaviors come naturally, which aligns with the biblical view of a sinful nature. However, teaching them not to do these things is part of our responsibility as parents and guardians.
Here are 2 verses that point to the idea of the "Age of Accountability"
Deuteronomy 1:39 (NIV)
"And the little ones that you said would be taken captive, your children who do not yet know good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them, and they will take possession of it."
Isaiah 7:15-16 (NIV)
"He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste."
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Kek!
I find it interesting that, while the Christian mockery was bad in itself, no one is up in arms about the promotion of three-ways, or tranny's running all over the place.
Roughly 3 billion people watched the opening ceremonies. My 8 year old daughter included. Had to turn it off quick when the threesome started making out.
smh...
I don't get why he would repeateldy say "You're not going to have to vote anymore."
I believe the context of this quote was where he was addressing the Christians - a large demographic who has a tendency of not voting. He was telling them they've must get out and vote "THIS TIME" and then they can go back to not voting - he'll have it so fixed up and running smoothly they wont have to vote again.
Thats the way I understood it.
I hope people see what’s happening here.
Everything is building towards a multi-faith alliance against the Jewish, Talmudic NWO and its headquarters, Jerusalem, the harlot, the same enemy the beast rises up to destroy in Revelation 17:16.
The beast kingdom will be ushered in under the guise of righteousness and interfaith unity against evil.
So many are already on the path of being decieved by this.
#IStandWithIran
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Kek
Hen's post reads like an LLM wrote it.
What happened in SA (2017) will happen here....