Same here. We all need to be sueing, or you will be forced to wear a mask forever. Say against your religion and health reasons. They legally can't even ask if you got the vaccine anyways.
In the meantime I would leave my nose hanging out or say you got the vaccine but according to hipaa you can't disclose that information then find a job that is not communist.
If it wasn't a condition of your hiring then it sure as shit can't be a condition of your continued employment.
I've found my favorite response to such inquiries right here on GA.W.. "have you gotten your vaccine?" "You can find out in the same manner in which you would discover if I am circumcised."
Probably a good precaution since despite having no business as to OP's vaccination status under the Americans with Disabilities act and HIPA, they know OP is not vaccinated against C19
I know, I am guessing that mask nazi places would not let you in with them even though they pass all the requirements. Would be a fun experiment. My wife is having a minor procedure done, for me to go in to the hospital I have to have a mask, wondering if I should give this a try.
Don’t waste your time fighting that one. The staff are just as tired of masking if not more. Just watch what the nsg staff does and follow suit. If they are using as a chin strap then do the same!
Why does your employer get to force you to reveal your vaccination status to others at your workplace? Sounds like a pretty clear violation of HIPPA, as well as workplace discrimination/harassment laws. No way in hell I would do that, and I would have obtained a lawyer the moment my job indicated that they were targeting me.
Thanks. That is an angle I don't hear many bring up - but an extremely valid one. Just the threat of HIPPA violations are enough to make most employers change policies. I have seen it happen many times myself. There are two things employers do not want crawling up their behinds - OSHA and HIPPA enforcement.
I think this is where things get tricky, especially if you have an employer that is in multiple states: how do you craft policy? Because you are right, they don't want OSHA up their ass. This one if my main beefs - that the government is using private enterprise as a proxy to impose restrictions on the populace they would never get away with otherwise. Look at the tech censorship - same thing.
Part of the problem is your SJW - I am painting with a broad brush here, but don't think they are not discussing these same issues in an effort to find ways to take a vindictive stance. Last summer, my dad got into an argument with a customer. (Few people were coming into the store and it was just family working. Dry cleaners get HOT in the summer.) The guy walked out and then came back in and screamed at my dad that he did not have a mask on. Next thing you know, the country health department came in threatening to fine him $300 per incident. At the time business was down 80%. It might as well have been $3000. These are the shitty assholes out there.
The employers are going to take the path of least resistance. I am not saying that it is right, because it is not but your mainstream business is just trying to survive. The assholes who brought us this shit show know this, and are using it as a weapon.
Sorry to hear about your father's struggles made worse by ignorant SJWs. Having worked with employers in the past over OSHA issues I know the struggles they face - they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Small and medium sized business owners in particular are extremely vulnerable. They are taken advantage of by so called officials that haven't got a clue about what the laws actually are and what is required compliance for business owners versus what is in the realm of guidelines that are voluntary - but guidelines that business owners are highly pressured into implementing because they do not understand the nuisances in the terminology. In addition, business owners try to hire entities to help navigate these muddy waters only to be taken advantage of by these entities that they hired for help. I have had cases where businesses have spent thousands of dollars to bring their businesses into compliance only to find out they were not. One company in particular had their written policies taken from another state and they had no idea. They then had to bring themselves into compliance according to the state they were in. Shameful.
I think the best thing at this point is for employees to pass on information to their employers about where they stand legally. The prospect of being sued is usually enough to make them change a policy. But, like your father, it is a hard place for business owners to be in right now. They just don't know what to do. And that too I am afraid, is also part of the plan to destroy small business in this country. Good luck to you and him.
It may be an ADA violation as opposed to a HIPPA violation. HIPPA deals with what entities are allowed to do with medical information in their possession.
I have really thought for some time that wearing a yellow star on your chest in situations like this would send a huge message to those SJWs among us - no words necessary to make the point.
Check with your state to see if masks are considered 'medical equipment.' If so, they can only be worn at direction of a doctor and even then, you don't have to wear them. Also, you can always tell your own doctor you don't want to wear one and have him or her write an exemption for you. If your employer or fellow employees ask 'why' you are exempted, they are violating your hippa rights and can be sued.
Well, exactly. Even the blue ones that come in the box that say they don't prevent covid or other viruses and are routinely worn in medical settings. Nor the fabric ones so many people have bought or made for themselves. It's all so ridiculous. Covid particles are between 1 and 4 microns in size and neither of those types of masks filters out anything below 100 microns. Insanity.
Take a surgical mask. Draw a yellow star of David on it with a syringe and needle in the middle. Wear it around your upper arm.
Then demand that your boss put your individually targeted mask requirement in writing, seek legal representation, and start looking for much more luxurious and more expensive living quarters.
Because they’re on a power trip. Had some soy boy ask a question in our town hall, “how will we protect those who haven’t been vaccinated when we come back to the office?”
It was very obvious he was basically asking what restrictions will be put in place for those that don’t get it.
That MAGA mask will just be banned and they won't care and might even take pride in making you wear it. I think wearing it is a no-win situation.
Others have said, make yourself a yellow star of david and wear that shit EVERY DAY. Its just yellow felt with some writing. Looks fairly easy to DIY.
Secondly, for a mask I would wear something made out of a fine netting just to fuck with them.
This is coming from someone who has NEVER worn a mask. Fuck all of them and thank fuck my employer has some common sense. In fact, not only did my employer (essential business) never mandate mask usage by employees, neither did my state/county. My employer however DID ban any masks with anything written on them. This was after a visit by the CEO and saw a bunch of BLM masks.
I would send an unthreatening but professional email to the highest official at your company mentioning HIPPA, ADA, etc. You have rights that are being violated and nobody likes the asshole using that as blackmail but it's good to get it on record in case your situation gets worse and you have to fight for unemployment or severance.
Take notes of every interaction you have regarding this subject. The date and time it happened, CC any emails you receive to your own personal email address. It will help for any future legal ramifications. They're not allowed to discriminate based on medical history.
2 Corinthians 3:18
New International Version
18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
share this letter found on America's Frontline Doctors with them https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.org/legal
ask them if their vaccine works why would it matter if you aren't vaccinated? And if their vaccine doesn't work, why should you get it.
also here is a website with a great mask to wear as well.
https://fakemaskusa.com/mask/
Yeah I'd be talking to a lawyer.
Same here. We all need to be sueing, or you will be forced to wear a mask forever. Say against your religion and health reasons. They legally can't even ask if you got the vaccine anyways.
In the meantime I would leave my nose hanging out or say you got the vaccine but according to hipaa you can't disclose that information then find a job that is not communist.
They can’t legally ask? My company has now sent out 3 surveys asking your vaccination status. It’s absurd
If it wasn't a condition of your hiring then it sure as shit can't be a condition of your continued employment.
I've found my favorite response to such inquiries right here on GA.W.. "have you gotten your vaccine?" "You can find out in the same manner in which you would discover if I am circumcised."
I respond in a loud voice “How are your genital Warts?” Or Syphlis works
You ask me medical questions, I will ask you. Now, the dumber seem to catch on that medical questions are personal and private
??????
This. They need a reason to fire you. Let it be vaccination and take them to the cleaners while working a new job.
Sounds like violation of hipaa to me.
They might be allowed to ask but i dont think they can require you unwillingly provide personal health info.
Blow the next survey off and see what happens.
Yes this.
Good luck hiring a lawyer willing to take it on without a lot of $$$$
Ever hear of pro bono?
Yes. So far no attorney I spoke to said they would do that.
Are they forcing you? I haven't found one place forcing it yet.
Probably a good precaution since despite having no business as to OP's vaccination status under the Americans with Disabilities act and HIPA, they know OP is not vaccinated against C19
Exactly. Tell the 2 sjw if there vax is workin they are fine.
It's all about getting your mind to accept this as if it were fact:
The govt has the right to force you to wear something you don't want to wear, to cover your individuality and identity, that is dangerous.
Sick until proven healthy is as bullshit as guilty until proven innocent (ie., critical race theory).
horse shit is correct.
I wonder why the parents of children forced to wear the masks don't simply provide them with 1 layer of gauze.
My daughter identifies as masked at school.
I know, I am guessing that mask nazi places would not let you in with them even though they pass all the requirements. Would be a fun experiment. My wife is having a minor procedure done, for me to go in to the hospital I have to have a mask, wondering if I should give this a try.
Try the mask that Marjorie Taylor-Greene wore on the House floor...the one that says "This mask is as useless as Joe Biden."
Don’t waste your time fighting that one. The staff are just as tired of masking if not more. Just watch what the nsg staff does and follow suit. If they are using as a chin strap then do the same!
Like that mask site, fun stuff.
Thanks! Valuable info!
Why does your employer get to force you to reveal your vaccination status to others at your workplace? Sounds like a pretty clear violation of HIPPA, as well as workplace discrimination/harassment laws. No way in hell I would do that, and I would have obtained a lawyer the moment my job indicated that they were targeting me.
Thanks. That is an angle I don't hear many bring up - but an extremely valid one. Just the threat of HIPPA violations are enough to make most employers change policies. I have seen it happen many times myself. There are two things employers do not want crawling up their behinds - OSHA and HIPPA enforcement.
Very solid ground there, everyone is required or no one required.....seems pretty obvious after reading ToxicLibertyism.
I think this is where things get tricky, especially if you have an employer that is in multiple states: how do you craft policy? Because you are right, they don't want OSHA up their ass. This one if my main beefs - that the government is using private enterprise as a proxy to impose restrictions on the populace they would never get away with otherwise. Look at the tech censorship - same thing.
Part of the problem is your SJW - I am painting with a broad brush here, but don't think they are not discussing these same issues in an effort to find ways to take a vindictive stance. Last summer, my dad got into an argument with a customer. (Few people were coming into the store and it was just family working. Dry cleaners get HOT in the summer.) The guy walked out and then came back in and screamed at my dad that he did not have a mask on. Next thing you know, the country health department came in threatening to fine him $300 per incident. At the time business was down 80%. It might as well have been $3000. These are the shitty assholes out there.
The employers are going to take the path of least resistance. I am not saying that it is right, because it is not but your mainstream business is just trying to survive. The assholes who brought us this shit show know this, and are using it as a weapon.
Sorry to hear about your father's struggles made worse by ignorant SJWs. Having worked with employers in the past over OSHA issues I know the struggles they face - they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Small and medium sized business owners in particular are extremely vulnerable. They are taken advantage of by so called officials that haven't got a clue about what the laws actually are and what is required compliance for business owners versus what is in the realm of guidelines that are voluntary - but guidelines that business owners are highly pressured into implementing because they do not understand the nuisances in the terminology. In addition, business owners try to hire entities to help navigate these muddy waters only to be taken advantage of by these entities that they hired for help. I have had cases where businesses have spent thousands of dollars to bring their businesses into compliance only to find out they were not. One company in particular had their written policies taken from another state and they had no idea. They then had to bring themselves into compliance according to the state they were in. Shameful.
I think the best thing at this point is for employees to pass on information to their employers about where they stand legally. The prospect of being sued is usually enough to make them change a policy. But, like your father, it is a hard place for business owners to be in right now. They just don't know what to do. And that too I am afraid, is also part of the plan to destroy small business in this country. Good luck to you and him.
Thanks. It has been very difficult and I worry a great deal for them.
It may be an ADA violation as opposed to a HIPPA violation. HIPPA deals with what entities are allowed to do with medical information in their possession.
Yeah no kidding
This is very much like the Jews being exterminated. Anne Frank has nothing on you.
I have really thought for some time that wearing a yellow star on your chest in situations like this would send a huge message to those SJWs among us - no words necessary to make the point.
I see it as the exact opposite The ultimate power is the power to make people choose to do what you want.
Yeah, especially in So CA.
Check with your state to see if masks are considered 'medical equipment.' If so, they can only be worn at direction of a doctor and even then, you don't have to wear them. Also, you can always tell your own doctor you don't want to wear one and have him or her write an exemption for you. If your employer or fellow employees ask 'why' you are exempted, they are violating your hippa rights and can be sued.
It’s not like anybody is selling medical grade masks.
Well, exactly. Even the blue ones that come in the box that say they don't prevent covid or other viruses and are routinely worn in medical settings. Nor the fabric ones so many people have bought or made for themselves. It's all so ridiculous. Covid particles are between 1 and 4 microns in size and neither of those types of masks filters out anything below 100 microns. Insanity.
Compliance in any form is submission.
I realize the difficulties.
In '76 some pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor.
This too is war.
Exactly. We have numbers. We can resist. Go get a new job or work to go off the grid. This isn’t going away unless we force it away.
Been saying this forever. All these cutesy mask ideas are not winning. It's like coloring in your Jude star with anti-nazi decal, look how clever!
Hostile work environment=weak leadership
I’ve gotten 3 surveys asking vaccination status. Never saw my company as “hostile” but am definitely beginning to question it.
Take a surgical mask. Draw a yellow star of David on it with a syringe and needle in the middle. Wear it around your upper arm.
Then demand that your boss put your individually targeted mask requirement in writing, seek legal representation, and start looking for much more luxurious and more expensive living quarters.
Definitely this second part.
Try this one...
https://files.catbox.moe/gkaw0c.png
Beauty ??
When they complain about that one, wear one with a yellow star next. Just to show them the direction this has taken and what side they are really on.
Because they’re on a power trip. Had some soy boy ask a question in our town hall, “how will we protect those who haven’t been vaccinated when we come back to the office?”
It was very obvious he was basically asking what restrictions will be put in place for those that don’t get it.
Yes. But make them fire you, as you're looking for a new job. This is a hostile work environment.
Why make them fire you?
Force them to pay you unemployment for unlawful termination, most likely.
I would sew a good star on my shirt
That MAGA mask will just be banned and they won't care and might even take pride in making you wear it. I think wearing it is a no-win situation.
Others have said, make yourself a yellow star of david and wear that shit EVERY DAY. Its just yellow felt with some writing. Looks fairly easy to DIY.
Secondly, for a mask I would wear something made out of a fine netting just to fuck with them.
This is coming from someone who has NEVER worn a mask. Fuck all of them and thank fuck my employer has some common sense. In fact, not only did my employer (essential business) never mandate mask usage by employees, neither did my state/county. My employer however DID ban any masks with anything written on them. This was after a visit by the CEO and saw a bunch of BLM masks.
Contact America's Frontline Drs and find a lawyer.
Read this "Shot Heard Around the World"
Get mean, threaten legal action.
This is discrimination. Complain to HR and then threaten to sue.
Don't threaten, get a lawyer THEN sue. Never threaten unless you back it up!
I wonder how they are going to test me with a face full of hot buckshot, and 2 missing knee caps?
Self defense and murder are mot the same
Go Patriot! ?
Sorry AND I advise you to cut a slit in it to breath.
Look for a lawyer. Discrimination against PRIVATE medical information ... disgusting.
The next non-medical asshole that attempts to take my body temperature is getting that stupid laser jammed up their ass.
I would send an unthreatening but professional email to the highest official at your company mentioning HIPPA, ADA, etc. You have rights that are being violated and nobody likes the asshole using that as blackmail but it's good to get it on record in case your situation gets worse and you have to fight for unemployment or severance.
Spell it HIPAA though
Good for you, I hope there are a few fellow employees that support your freedom of speech.
so...let me get this straight. They are singling you out??
Wear a ball gag.
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Tell them it's a blatant HIPPA violation and you'll see them in court!!
if they get upset about that abs make you wear a basic blue one, just write Q on it with a sharpie!
I'm in the same boat. So I'm wearing mesh masks (which you can't completely tell are mesh). I'm able to breathe while making the sheep feel safe.
Sue the shit out of them.
Excellent solution!
Take notes of every interaction you have regarding this subject. The date and time it happened, CC any emails you receive to your own personal email address. It will help for any future legal ramifications. They're not allowed to discriminate based on medical history.
2 Corinthians 3:18 New International Version 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.