I feel like I'm living in crazy world over here. With the exception of some of my immediate family, everyone I know has been bewitched by the covid and vax narrative.
I'll admit, back in the start of 2020 I was shit scared. Seeing images of people collapsed in the street in China etc. I was totally sure it was coming for me. But bit by bit the cracks started appearing and with what we all know now, I feel like I'm totally awake, at least in regards to covid/vax shit.
But it doesn't seem to be... enough? There's literally nothing I can say to my asleep friends and colleagues that they don't immediately jump on me for. E.g.:
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If i say "information about Ivermectin is being suppressed, and actually it looks like it has a lot of potential", they say "it's been debunked and nothing is being suppressed, it just doesn't work!". I can show them link after link but they always say it's from an untrustworthy source or the data is being presented in a biased way.
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If I say "the vaccinated people carry just as many viral particles as the unvaccinated according to the CDC", they just say "NO THEY DON'T", and again, links showing it are poo-pooed as being untrustworthy or misrepresented.
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I told a colleague today that lockdowns and restrictions that are based on vax percentage are silly because even vaxxed people get sick and can spread it around, and I was told that 1. it's not true (vaxxed people don't get as sick), 2. there's no viable alternative and 3. that doing it is "prudent public policy".
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My own father told me "Get yourself and your kids vaxxed, I don't want my grandchildren dying from it. Even 38 year olds like yourself are dying from a mild delta covid." (He didn't seem to grasp the fact that he said "dying of a mild covid")
And of course you can't tell them to look anything up themselves because you know as soon as they type something into google (which they'll use, of course), they're bombarded with a billion "fact check" articles.
I'm trying to be brave and trying to be resilient but I feel like there's nothing I can say that they can't just dismiss by saying it's not from trustworthy sources. And then whenever I mention any new stuff they scoff and think I'm a nut job. I'm starting to think "Am I just persisting with the anti-covid-vax narrative because I'm addicted to being David fighting Goliath? Do I just love being the underdog, or just being contrarian? Is that just my identity now? Maybe they're all correct and I'm just trying to make a personality out of being the opposite...". It's getting to the point of intrusive thoughts...
Thanks for reading if you made it to the end of this rant. I'm just tired of trying to wake up the people I care about only to be scoffed at and told I'm the reason people around the world are dying, and that I shouldn't be allowed to work/go out etc. How can I stop feeling so demoralised and let down by the world these days?
Stop trying.
You're right. Actually I have been trying to be less 'edgy' about it and just say "Look if you want the vax, go get it. Just don't tell me off for not wanting it." and trying to end it there. But it doesn't placate them. They just blame me for not being "community minded" or some shit.
You need a sabbatical from these people. Can you do that? And Iceman is right. You need to reach a point where you no longer feel the need to explain anything to anyone. And you always have us here as your family. Sure, we can’t hug you, but we can listen and understand you. And in these crazy times, that goes a long ways.
Peace.
Thanks man. It's mostly my workmates and my dad who are the most brainwashed. I guess I could just avoid talking about anything but it really grinds my gears when they start bragging about how virtuous they are because they got the jab.
Just tell them nobody fucking cares about their stupid bullshit when they get all gushy. That’s the biggest truth bomb you can give them.
When it does happen, theyll remember what he said lol.
Exactly
Haha yes. Then call them selfish assholes when they deny the possibility of boosters.
Me too, I got really annoyed with that type of person too. My family is loaded with the Genetically Modified.
I direct my anger (rage really) at those that did this TO them.
I do believe they will wake up, and I think it will be a very difficult time for them. All we can do is pray and fight for them as they are unable to fight for themselves at this time.
The people that I love & have been jabbed have all fought & sacrificed for me growing up, I will do the same for them now.
In 6 to 12 months the "undeniable" avalanche of vaxx related injuries will be a wakeup for many. As long as a lying media exists, however, some will deny this evidence as well.
I know some that are completely denying their medical issues might be related to the vaccine... miscarriages, out of menopause with hemorrhaging.
Nope not the vaccine,They're smarter than everyone.... SCIENCE you know...
The vaxxed are a cult plain as simple. If you look how a cult works that's them.
I usually respond stating that I got the measles vaccine.
I know, right. They are so proud, as though they actually DID something heroic, like save a baby from a burning building. Maybe you should just call them all heroes. They'd probably believe you were being earnest.
Yup this ^^^
great comment. Short but to the point. We need to reach a point where we no longer feel the need to explain, and just do what we have to do.
OP, when people are disagreeing with your conclusions, then you have to dig down to the premises that those conclusions are based on, and deal with those issues.
Most people today don't seem to understand basic logic. You should learn a little because it might help in your conversations.
One basic form of logic goes like this:
EVERY TIME you are discussing a political issue, it is a CONCLUSION that you are discussing at the surface level.
BUT ... those conclusions are BASED on PREMISES that are NOT being directly discussed.
This is the #1 reason WHY people disagree on these topics. It is NOT the conclusion where we disagree. It ist he HIDDEN PREMISE(S) where we actually disagree.
So, consider this:
You have to examine EACH PREMISE to determine IF the conclusion is true or false. If one or more premise is NOT true, then the conclusion cannot be said to be true.
When someone tells you that Covid is deadly, they are using a FALSE PREMISE to base their conclusion on. Namely, that "The media always tells the truth."
In this case, your REAL disagreement with that person is their false belief that the media always tells the truth.
Of course, there might be another hidden premise, something along the lines of, "OK, the media SOMETIMES tells a lie, but they would NEVER tell a 'Big Lie'." That is another false premise that you would have to deal with, if you encounter it.
Here's another situation:
The people you are dealing with most likely disagree with either Premise #1 or Premise #3. That is why they disagree with your conclusion.
So ...
You have to drill down into WHY they believe something (what the premises are that they accept, which lead them to their conclusions).
MOST people NEVER examine their own premises. In fact, MOST people have NO IDEA that they have accepted premises that OTHER PEOPLE (media, family, friends, co-workers, associates, random "experts") have brainwashed them into believing.
MOST people NEVER understand WHY they believe something. They "just believe it" and then argue it. They defend their position (conclusion) BECAUSE they don't know why they believe it. They THINK this is what they believe. In reality, it is a CONCLUSION based on PREMISES that they believe, but have no idea they believe these premises.
So ...
You might ask them questions (rather than trying to feed them facts) that get at their premises (and ignore for the moment their conclusions) such as ...
These types of questions will get at the ROOT of why they REALLY disagree with you. Then, you attack those premises that they are probably not even aware of.
This is what Socrates did, and he changed the world.
This is awesome. Thanks heaps fren!
I love this place!
This is excellent
Yeah pretty much this. This is how I enrage all of these types. By just asking them questions. However, whether or not they realize it, these people seem to be highly trained in the art of deflection and ignoring their own cognitive dissonance. As long as the TV continues to reinforce their behavior as "compassionate" and "the science" it makes it really easy for them to flip on "American Idol" and start 'batin. After all, they have science on their side.
You'll know it's effective when they deflect, shame or mock, or become agitated. The ones that don't do this, there is hope for. Very few though. I've only met one. Because no matter how the interaction ends, the NPCs will just retreat to their subreddit with the TV on so they can "decompress".
Just ask questions and don't try to tell them they're wrong. If they make a claim, counter it with a question. You won't win the debate (in their mind) but you'll permanently leave them with a little nagger in their head. Then once their beloved media begins to atone, they will act different around you. You'll notice that they are a little more timid around you each time because they are actually feeling shame. When they get to that level, just be nice to them and be an example. You don't gotta rub it in their faces.
This is exactly the point I have been trying to explain. You have to go back to the beginning and throw out almost all the premises.
The problem is that, as can even be seen is this comment/explanation, it is difficult to explain quickly.
Sometimes you do just have to give up. They shit their own bed, they can sleep in it. It’s unfortunate and even sad, but that’s the downside of free will, if being coerced by the TV even counts as free will.
One of the more disgusting manipulations of many has been using the previously well-regarded concept of vaccine to trojan-horse in these nasty little compounds that arent vaccines in any sense, with none of them changing immunity levels, either at the individual level or wider, none stimulating antibodies etc.
So all the social pressure and shared view that these are a public good are based on lies and fraud.
When the vaxxed start dying in numbers too high to continually cover up and distract from, I think it spells the end of the vaccine industry and concept. Companies that are literally too murderous and criminal to ever be trusted again in any way. Think IG Farben, but instead an entire industry razed to the ground instead of just a company.
In a conversation I had today the other guy said “why wouldn’t you trust them, vaccines have been around and trusted for years”
And that’s when I realised that there are still people around who believe that these are typical vaccines, the ones we’ve all been getting since childhood. It was at that point I realised that nothing that came out of this guy’s mouth would be worth listening to since he has flawed understanding of the most basic premise.
Agreed, the 'vaccines have always been safe' concept only continues to hold true, if and only if all new ones are held to the safety standards of past cases. If it takes 10 years of development and testing to bring a typical vaccine to market, then what does that say about any vaccine rushed to market in less than a year? By definition, its unfit for use, since that time-to-market demonstrates a crazy number of corners being cut, tests not being done, and QA, certifications etc being abandoned.
And thats even before you start looking at the never used before mRNA stuff that the new vaccines have. Why sneak in a 1) entirely untested and 2) brand new and unproven tech in the middle of a crisis (that you pretend is still the currently understood 'vaccine' case) unless you were a malicious actor? The lack of honesty is damning.
Agreed, that’s the kind of thing I try to say when talking to these people. But they just come back with “the oh so trustworthy experts ALL agree that it’s safe, stop listening to crazy youtubers” and I just sit there like 😡
Be great if that happened - to my knowledge it hasn't happened yet, and they are trying this silly legal maneuver in creating a brand new company, blaming the new company (instead of J&J) as the guilty party, then that new company goes bankrupt instead of them.
Details:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jJs4CK6C/trust-the-science-you-say--johns/c/
They surely should be bankrupt, and I hope this effort by them to dodge blame is all for naught.
This exactly. The disinformation war has been professionally executed with virtually unlimited resources. You can go crazy trying to counter that persuasion and intense social pressure. Save your energy to protect your wife and children.
I agree but it's difficult when you believe your family will be dead and you could have stopped it. I've accepted the fact that I will lose my brother before his time but I'm sad my kids won't have an uncle.
I know my parents are a lost cause. Brainwashed boomers believing everything the MSM pumps out. I just pray for them. There are no words I can say to wake them so I leave it in Jesus' great hands.
Fren, I have found that asking clarifying questions gets through way easier than coming at them with inconvenient facts.
"How do you feel about being told masks don't work so get the jab - now you're told the jab doesn't work as well so put your mask back on?" "How is the price of gas, rising over $1.00 a gallon in 6 months, hitting you?"
Inevitably someone will ask me, "To what end is all this being orchestrated?"
Again, a question - "Yes, to what end could it be?"
The cognitive dissonance cracks at this point. Maybe just a bit, but the answer back always has either $ or power or both, out of their own mouth.
^This
A lighthouse does not force the ship towards land in the storm, it merely illuminates the way.
Be a lighthouse in the storm.
This is how I am with those who have rejected my information. I've found that once others get lost by their own accord, they come looking for me later.
A powerful metaphor, I like it.
My brother and I did manage to red-pill our mother, but my father is still living with his head in the sand. His email literally said "My second jab is next week, then FINALLY we can relax!". He honestly thinks he's going to die if he goes outside.
I'll keep the lighthouse lit up for him but I have little hope...
Im in a similar situation. A stubborn old man close to home is stuck out in a storm of misinformation.
He's survived his entire life by seeing what he wants to see in reality, but it won't work this time. If he doesn't notice his ship is sinking, he'll never make it to land.
All I can do is continue to project light, and see if he will return to shore.
Don't worry though. There are other people out at sea that are lost and searching for land.
If you find something in your research, share it here.
You know, I’m always open to providing the light to anyone who asks for it, it gets tiresome sometimes and stupid questions definitely exist, but I figure someone’s gotta do it, and if it helps one more person awake from their propaganda filled surroundings, my work was worth the effort.
Funny and sad though, it does seem to me like it’s always the people who are ignored/laughed at by their friends and family who seek out information. Like they see how fucked up shit really is and feel crazy thinking nobody else sees it.
“Like, you seeing this shit too right???” Yep!
Take care of YOURSELF right now. They’ll be figuring it out pretty damn quick one way or another.
Thanks, I am. I'm in the best shape of my life and am eating healthily and supplementing. Haven't caught even the smallest of colds since I started this new lifestyle. I've been hoping that just being healthy despite not living in fear/not getting the jab/not wearing masks would show people already on the fence that it's OK not to bend over and take it from the government. But they're good at their mental gymnastics and end up thinking that they're the rational, virtuous ones regardless.
There’s a thread from earlier on today that explains a lot of these people’s mindset.
Basically goes, that these people are seeing/realizing the bullshit too finally and instead of admitting they were wrong, they double down and are mad that people didn’t fall for it. They want you to suffer too, because there’s no way that they’re going down alone. Crabs in a bucket.
Sure, a lot of them are willfully ignorant, or are just straight up too into their bubble to realize what’s truly going on around them, but there’s a whole lot of these people with this mentality, and it’s incredibly sad. They were doomed by their own accord, and can’t handle the fact that the same people who they’ve called crazy, stupid, and blamed this on were... right.
Live your life for you and your children if you got em. Only you have your best interest in mind
U/MakeAmericaWinAgain makes a good analysis of how there people who are probably finally waking up but are doubling down on their mentality. It’s a really bad case of cognitive dissonance.
Imagine if you lived your life believing something for so long. It has turned your life upside down. And then there are things that don’t make sense to you anymore. It’s going to be more comforting to NOT admit to the truth and stick to what you know to be “truth” before. Essentially, they subconsciously choose to continue to live the lie because if they admit to the truth, that means everything that they have sacrificed from the last year and a half has been for nothing. That’s an existential crisis.
Particularly, people who tend to have high opinions of themselves with big egos tend to fall for in that trap more. They don’t have the humility to say they were wrong, so they say YOU are wrong, if even what you’re saying are facts. There’s nothing you can do to help them, they have to be open to it in the first place.
I’m in the same boat as you. It’s like living in the Twilight Zone. I’m trying to stay sane myself being surrounded by Coviots. You want to wake these people up and scream and shake them up. But it’s better to save your energy. If there are people who are honestly open to hearing it, then help them. But for the most part I feel like if they’re not awake by now, it’s hopeless.
this reminds me of a conversation i had with my mom (RIP) probably 10 years ago. at that time, i was on a mission to convince her that 9/11 was a false flag (or AT LEAST that we had been massively misled as to the truth of the attacks) and that, essentially, the NWO/Illuminati were a real thing, as a starting point to a wider view of the world. she of course wouldn't hear any of it, but i didn't give up easily. this was an "argument" we were having for years and nothing i showed her would budge her. this is when i started getting a real idea of how deep media induced mind control worked.
anyway, in our final conversation about 9/11, she had admitted to me that she was hearing similar opinions from other people, some of whom she respected (and that she couldn't believe they were falling for "conspiracy theories"). i could see the tiniest cracks of doubt forming and i asked her a question: Mom, IF it were true that 9/11 was a false flag, what would that mean? her eyes welled up with tears and she said "It would mean everything I have believed about our country and government has been a lie".
it was at that moment i let it go. i could see that she was hurt and scared and that continuing to push her in this direction was actually a form of violence, and the last person on this earth i wanted to hurt and frighten was my sweet dear little old mom. i saw that she (and so many others) literally can not handle this information. why can I and not others? that i still wonder about.
anyway sorry for the wall of text, just wanted to share that story.
I appreciated it fren. My mum also had her own redpill moment recently. She was dumbfounded at the idea that the NEWS would LIE to her.
Her red pill is sort of lasting but if I don’t talk to her every few days she finds some article saying the injections are great and I have to start all over again 🤷♂️
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt right?
Sadly my mom passed away last October (cancer). It ate her up EXTREMELY quickly. Aside from the normal sense of sadness and loss, at the time I was devastated because I “knew” DJT would win the election and that we’d be on the fast track to healing all disease. Now I’m just happy she’s at peace and not living in the media induced terror bubble that she’d surely be fully immersed in, and what that would have done to our relationship.
I’ve been throwing out bad ideas for 10 years and coming back to some that I shouldn’t have thrown out entirely.
I don’t understand why this process of renewal is the minority. I really don’t get why a majority took this COVID bs up the ass ESPECIALLY after all the lies about Trump and effort to take him out. AND BLM riots. It’s all so obvious if you’re even a little bit curious.
Stay the course fren. Have a drink once in awhile and live YOUR life.
Noah was called crazy... until it started raining
My Fren, you are Not a nut job. You are not going insane. I have had all of these exact thoughts especially in the past few weeks. So much so that your post could have been written by myself almost verbatim. I personally have spent years now trying to shake people awake. I have accomplished the awakening of a few souls. Not by any means as many as I had hoped. We must be Relentless, for our enemies are absolutely Relentless. Trust your gut. Trust yourself. Trust your soul. You are a good person trying to actually make a Real and tangible difference in the lives of the people you love. Unfortunately, you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. Everyone has choices to make in this life. Follow yours. I am sure that the choices you are making are the outcome of hours upon hours upon days upon months upon years of self research and critical thought. If we go down, so be it. At least we went down with righteousness in our hearts. Know what you believe, but more importantly WHY you believe it. It is not because the Face on the BOX told you to or because some soulless celebrity or compromised politician told you. All we can do at this point is make informed decisions and prepare. Be Strong. You are NOT ALONE! Peace.
Thanks fren. Nice to be reassured that I'm not totally alone in this world. My brother and I did have a bit of success red-pilling our mother, which feels like a great win. But I'm just worried for the future, for my kids (currently 4 and 1). What is school going to be like for them? If mandatory vax for kids to attend school comes in am I going to be able to home school them? Things like that. I guess all I can do is cross one bridge at a time.
You have to discredit their sources first. Show them these fuckers are contradicting themselves. It takes time. The biggest thing is get on the same page with all the other crap and crooked shit.
I feel like when you do that, they say "Well, everyone's figuring this out as we go along, now that we know more than we did before we can make better decisions"
They seem to have an answer for everything
As the saying goes…
It’s far easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled.
Now you have insight, use it wisely fren!
Well, they THINK they have an answer for everything. They, like us, look for anything and everything to justify them feeling the way they do. No one likes to be wrong. I feel as if we're hitting the end of who can be woken up and who can't. Some people are just too far gone. They won't believe it until it happens. They won't change their minds about an issue until it knocks on their door. Just try to keep the peace with friends and family that you want to keep until the year is over. If this is going to happen, it will surely happen by the end of 2021.
Same here, friend of mine that I drink beer with every Friday for the last 20 years tells me last Friday that he’s had 2 Pfizer shots. I’ve given this guy more information about covid and the vax than I have anyone else, all the data I’ve given him shows that the vax is dangerous and has no advantages but the media brainwashing is just too powerful, some people will never see the truth and unfortunately we have to just give up on them.
He doesn’t respect you or himself.
Its almost over, soon everyone will learn the truth and they will all feel like morons. Its easiest to just avoid these people, stop contacting them and accepting their calls. I have a brother that is totally brainwashed, I have tried to wake him up for several years now, I stopped trying. I'll just wait till shit hits the fan and he will call me and ask what the hell is going on. You can't tell these people, they have to be shown. I have warned all my family and friends to stay away form the vaccine, some listened to me, others didn't. All you can do is try, but you can't save them all.
Pede. Revel in the good you have done. You simply can’t convince some people. It’s sad your dad and others won’t listen. Many of us have experienced the same. Keep up the good fight and don’t let it get you down ! Don’t forget to take time for yourself ! Enjoy some life, and clear your mind at times ! Godspeed
I'm in the same boat as you. All my family (wife, parents, sibling, in-laws) are totally asleep and have mocked me in my attempts to red-pill. Nowadays, I just smile and only share red-pill information when my family asks. Most of my friends are asleep... Out of all the people that I know, I think only <5% are unvaxxed.
I also totally get the David vs. Goliath thing. You don't come off as siding with David just for the sake of it. You probably side with David because David's side is what you've concluded as more likely true and you don't give a crap if society/others are telling you otherwise.
I pray you find a friend in real life who's on the same page as you or at least willing to hear you out. Health is probably a more sensitive topic than politics and religion these days. I don't talk about COVID of the VAX unless other people bring it up because most people have already made up their minds. These days I just talk about finance (markets, inflation, GME) and perhaps audits in my red-pill prepping.
FOCUS INWARD.
My parents are so fucking lost. Staying with me currently. I don’t even recognize them I feel like this has all melted their Brian’s.
Everyone vaxxed is acting their own special breed of retarded.
There is no hope for these people focus only on your inner peace and happiness.
I'm really trying to do so but I have a 4-year-old and a 1-year-old and I can't help but think I need to push back against the bullshit for the sake of their futures. It's rough man, it's lonely and scary.
^^^this, is why we do what we do! It’s pretty simple, most people don’t have the the time, ability, mindset (whatever excuse you want to give them) to accept the truth of what is happening. KNOWING is the easy part, especially when there is a community that shares the information that the average Joe can’t even google. So what do you do? You smile, nod your head BUT when you hear the narrative challenged, you gently lead. Think of it like trying to teach your babies something... a slow gentle way for them to evolve. And when you feel crazy... read above and below. We’ve all been there. WWG1WGA
Oh man I’ve been loving talking to my 4 year old. She asks “why is everyone wearing masks?” And I say “well a lot of people are scared that they’re going to get sick, even though they probably won’t. We make sure we eat healthily and do exercise, so there’s nothing for us to worry about!”
It’s perfect. Can promote healthy living while at the same time subtly letting her know that just because other people do something it’s not necessarily right.
That’s the beauty of children, their minds are open. Remember the guy punch when you learned of Santa? It’s a billion times worse, so be patient and treat them like children! I loved that age!
Onviously your kids are part of your inner life.
right there with you, fren. 7 y/o and almost 3 y/o. homeschool at this time is not feasible. i just thank God they're far too young for the vax so far. i'm praying the entire virus/vax psy op is destroyed SOON, not just for society at large, but for their futures specifically.
You’re not the only one friend. I posted this last night:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jcvW6KLQ/thank-you-for-making-me-feel-not/
I am now just focusing on myself. Praying the great awakening happens soon.
I'm the wrong person to ask. Everyone around me is awake and I've been depressed as hell the last couple of days waiting for Durham or POTUS - anything really to get rid of Uncle Perv and Headboard Ho. We have young grandchildren and this vaccine shit is scaring me for their sakes.
As for your friends and family who are clueless, you have to decide if you can accept that they may never believe you and have relationships with them anyway. If you take this path, just stop giving them information.
Walk away until they come to you for information. If everything goes as most of us think it will, they will have plenty of questions. You'll look like a freaking genius.
For yourself: go out to the forest or some area teeming with life energy. Feel yourself filling up on the energy of the cosmos (as opposed to energy shared during human interactions). Feel confident that this energy source will always be there.
For them: if you care about them just be kind and do not worry about the pandemic role playing game to which they have been habituated. Be kind and show them that you care. If they express concern for you (as you mentioned your father) then thank them for being concerned and if you must shut down their pleas for you to join the game just tell them you do not feel comfortable doing it and leave it at that. They cannot deny how you just told them you felt.
Simply let them wake up themselves. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. It's time to lead them to the water by supporting them indirectly. You can't force them to see things your way. They have to see it for themselves. Kind of like those pictures from the 90's that looked like a bunch of lines until you relaxed your eyes and saw the negative of what you were looking at. All of a sudden, the picture became a three dimensional picture.
Magic Eye pictures! man if that ain't a good metaphor for the world....
The only way is pain. They must be shown through experience, nothing else will work.
Kermit Meme:
I need to get offline and read books.
I'm starting to think "Maybe they're all correct and I'm just trying to make a personality out of being the opposite..."
Nope. They're all wrong. Covid survival rate is 99%, put masks on the children to save 1% is non sense, taking the jab just to be able to drink a beer or go to a concert (I'm in France, that's what happening right now) is non sense, curfews and lockdowns are killing us and not saving us and the whole thing is a hoax. Don't ever forget it.
Thanks fren. I am Australian but happily escaped to Japan 3 years ago so I’m living in comparative luxury here while the Hunger Games is set to start for my family back home. Just saying I have a good sense of how fucked it is and looking at places like France makes me realise it’s probably only gonna get worse.
https://rumble.com/vjl4zn-2021-jul-02-australian-high-court-rules-section-51.23a-of-constitution-bans.html Have you seen this!
Oh my god that is freakin awesome!!
X22 used to say, (all the time), and still does on occasion "Where are the piles of dead homeless people, the most vulnerable."
This ended ANY fear I had left. That point is so "spot-on", it can't be ignored. And it would have played into the DS plan so effectively, I'm surprised they didn't "gas" high homeless areas to accomplish this goal.
Imagine that they are all deceased.
If one must swallow a bitter pill, it is best to prepare early.
You can either give up trying to red pill them or keep going but make peace with the fact that they're adults and they don't have to listen to you even though they should. Either way it's hard.
My family members are generally pretty awake. Everyone had covid and most are not getting vaxed. In my red pilling crusade I tried to warn one of them about the vax and all the crazy side effects people are experiencing. I tried to tell her about the side effects my SO observed while working at a hospital.
She still got her first dose. She broke out in bruises all over her body afterwards. She also had extreme fatigue and brain fog. This is in a country with a different language/culture; GA/VAERS/Reddit aren't known, etc. Here's the crazy thing. She forbade anyone in the family from telling me about her side effects because she didn't want to hear 'I told you so'. She's still in denial about the vax. She never went for the second dose but instead of admitting to herself that the first shot was a stupid decision, she now prefers to believe that she got injected with saline, and she'll be ok.
Stay strong OP, no matter what you decide. Just remember your red pilling is important even if it feels hopeless.
So she’d rather let her friends and family poison themselves than feel embarrassed that she herself took something dangerous? That’s fucked.
I know how you feel! I listened to a Psychologist who studied brainwashing and he said you need 4 things to brainwash people. Worthless jobs (feel no purpose), depression/painful existence (how many people take antidepressants…) that is severe enough that they appreciate a distraction tremendously aka cv19, disorientation (the accepted Storyline continually changes and you can’t make sense of it (masks work, no they don’t, yes they do, vaxx works, no it doesn’t…), and finally Isolation so you can’t work with others to make sense of it all! He was talking to Reiner Fuelmich the Lawyer who has 100 lawyers fighting in Europe against the cv19 lockdown & regulations. It was fascinating because I have such a well educated and kind family and yet they do not see what is going on and it’s almost ridiculous to me at this point. I’m not sure anything is going to wake them up. So I’m with you. I’m letting it go except for some info here and there. https://odysee.com/@VeryOpinionatedShow:5/lbry-Mattias-Desmet:7
I think it might be worth discussing with these people the 4 things that lead to brainwashing! I don't know if you can fight brainwashing with brainwashing awareness but who knows! Ask them how those 4 elements of brainwashing are in effect today...
Brainwashing awareness lol!!!! I agree. My Mom is a psychologist so I thought about sending to her. She’d probably think I’ve been brainwashed by President Trump.
lol i WISH i could smoke some weed to get some stress relief. i just spiral into way-more-intense anxiety and paranoia when i get high. sucks! used to be such a benevolent, beneficial plant medicine for me. perhaps i abused her too much in my youth and now miss mary jane is like "nah player". at least i can still enjoy some good beer/wine in reasonable moderation.
Shrooms have shown promise in treating anxiety and depression too! Even microdosing seems to be enough. Shrooms work for these mental issues because it changes your perspective and offers a path out you were not able to see before. They really are magic!
Had one of the most profound spiritual experiences of my life after drinking mushroom tea. I’ve actually been on the hunt for some in the past year for microdosing purposes. Supposed to have great effect on releasing/healing anxiety, depression etc. Tried growing my own, but with two young kids and a non-understanding wife, well it didn’t really work out. I love the wisdom that comes with getting older, but hate being out of the good psychedelics loop lol
You comfortable supplying a link? Though I’m sure there’s no international shipping :/
I gave up trying to "redpill" people. Like you said, they disregard every source that isn't Wikipedia or CNN. I was told once that the Washington Examiner is "not a good source".
I live in a blue state filled with Branch Covidians that worship the mask and treats the CDC like a holy priesthood. At this point I'm just growing in my walk with the Lord and trying to keep my wife's spirits up through this madness. Just prepare yourself as best you can and the rest will sort itself out.
Your Boomer father is particularly wicked for demanding your children receive experimental genetic therapy which is undoubtedly worse than doing literally nothing.
Stay strong and be the proof that you are seeking that you were right.
Never submit
He’s just got his head in the sand. He sits at home all day every day with the tv on. He trusts them completely. I don’t even know what to do anymore 🤷♂️
Sounds like a deadman walking.
Let him enjoy his mind prison.
Or I would recommend the blog Vox Popoli for seeking guidance on Vax, selfish boomers and the pair combined
Just going back through a few weeks of posts could prove helpful in having better Ammo to fight with
Take page from my book of life: if you walk, talk, and act like a lion, the concerns of lessers do not concern you.
in short, fuck'em. Let them pearl clutch and whine all they want, as weak minded do. Concern yourself with you if they refuse to see the benefit if walking in a pride.
No one tells me what to say, where to go, or how i do it. No one.
So glad someone else posted this just around the time I was having a moderate mental breakdown bc of the exact same circumstances. On one hand I really feel responsibility to share information and let people know. On the other hand being shamed and ridiculed is exhausting and the fact this is even real is a joke. They’ve really done great on the psychological warfare front.
Chin up, fren. We’re in this together. I too get worried that even collectively we’re not going to be able to avoid what’s coming, but then I think fuck it, that’s doomer talk. Just focus on yourself and your family. Stay healthy and enjoy yourself.
me too fren - needed this today, as simlarly feeling overwhelmed with the scale of the opposition. It really is exhausting and lonely. I've started waking up every morning and feeling like I'm gearing up to spend another day actually fighting in the information trenches.
I think it helps to realise that is what we are actually doing. This really IS a form of warfare, and we have unwittingly found ourselves on the front-line. Everything OP says are thoughts I've been wrestling with. I keep asking - why can't I just look the other way and ignore it all? Why do i have to see it? Ultimately I have to lean into God, and keep asking him to lead me where he wants me to go. It helps to recognise I really don't understand or know very much. But there are a few truths I can cling to:
Jesus. That's the solid ground.
Truth. I want to see it and understand it, whatever it is. I hope and pray that the truth turns out to be just a particularly virulent form of bumbling incompetence, and that those who need to recognise it do so before something irreversible happens. I'm prepared for it to be something else.
Prayer. Nothing can stand against it and nothing is impossible with God.
OP - you are not alone. We are here in the trenches with you. Remember that we are fighting for those who think they are against us as much as we are for those who are with us, and that is the cross we've been asked to bear.
You can't always redpill family and friends. Sometimes it needs to come from strangers or the tv. So go forth and redpill strangers. Start with Google being an unreliable search engine and why.
This is a good one on the google front: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqtKQgTps_g (Big Tech and Political Manipulation | Robert Epstein)
You are far more resilient to ridicule and scoffing than they are. This is why they resort to it. They believe it is the most effective way to sway a person because it is most effective on them. They fear nothing more than being "out" of the group. It is at the core of why people fall for things that are infuriatingly illogical. Reason is ineffective on someone that has a settled mind. You figure things out for yourself, and that is why you are figuring it out. They never ask any questions. They only ask to be told what the the truth is by people and institutions they have delegated that to. You are not a sheep. You are not wrong. You may feel crazy but you aren't.
Omg I could have written this verbatim, especially the responses people give! Most of the time I tell people that I believe in freedom and that everyone is free to make whatever they feel is the best decision for themselves. In my case, I've done enough research to not feel comfortable with it and I'm free to decide against it. I love to tell my lib friends that daily BLM, Transgender, Asain Hate & all the rest are pushing us to "be accepting of everyone's life choices" then someone decides not to get a vaccine and bam! It's totally fine to judge away!
Anyway you're not insane, I also have a 1 & 4 year old in addition to two school aged kids. We pulled the older two and put them in private school. I went down a deep rabbit rabbit hole on vaccines and not chose not to continue any vaxxes for my 1 year old, including MMR. I haven't even told anyone because I don't want to deal with their reactions. Even I feel like a nutjob sometimes but my theory is "when in doubt, buy some time" then before you know it people stop asking.
Even my husband who's vehemently against the vax was negative on me stopping vaccines and the hardest part is to realize that you have to change the way you think about everything. You realize that most everything you've assumed to be true is not as this has been going on for decades.
Yeah I was totally pro-vas until this. Then I looked at that well known paper with the graphs showing how many cases were around when the vaxxes were introduced (if you haven’t seen it, basically the vaccine comes in at the end once all the cases are nearly gone) and I realised it’s all a big scam!
I like when in doubt, buy some time. My philosphy also.
And then just be public enough so that when people start to get their own questions, they know who they can go to for more info.
This is very much a war within yourself. Each and every one of us is being tested to our highest degree. You are going to find yourself not being able to be around or talk to certain people, even family and that is ok. You need to tell yourself that only you are responsible for you and your immediate family, no one else, and a simple response like "I am doing what's best for my family" and moving along is all you need to respond. I know how you feel. Once you get over the internal battle of not giving a fuck about what anyone else thinks of you, you win! It feels wonderful. You will be much happier once you stop worrying about what everyone else thinks you are doing, even if it is people like your parents, unfortunately you must make peace with that part.
I do feel at peace with that part most of the time I guess. Sometimes it’s harder than other times. It just annoys me because I feel confident that what I’m saying is correct, but I’m surprised when it fails to convince them. And then I start to doubt myself when I try to explain. But it’s just impossible to be on top of every single detail about it all the time, so I end up feeling like “well maybe I’m wrong…?”
That is completely normal to feel that way, having same conversation with a friend who thinks they are crazy bc their family doesn't listen. My advice is to lead by example and don't look back. Trust your gut, and do everything with confidence and integrity. You will get pushback from people bc you are bringing their darkness to light so they will respond in many ways and get very defensive. By now you know the people you can talk to, and those who are not on your level ignore. Seriously don't bring up politics or any of that stuff, just do your thing until they wake up, or not.
You can stop by stopping your effort to change people. Just as you have the right to be and 'do you,' they have that right as well. As the English say, 'suffer the fools to live.' I understand you care about these people, maybe even love some, but if they refuse to be reasonable and even look at your evidence, then you really should just shake the dust from your sandals. It's the way to peace.
The most important thing is to keep yourself a your family safe. Leave the rest to do whatever they feel necessary to do the same. If they've bought into the "Vax is the only way", fine. Let them. Stop expending your energy into trying to save the unsavable.