He works in the executive branch and has been told he will face progressive discipline up to and including termination.also told exemptions will be extremely limited. He has served his country for 20 years risking his life most days. Willing to die for his country and now is being told he’s worthless unless he injects himself with poison. Even worse, he feels like everyone else got it and is alone. Are any of the federal employees organizing? There is radio silence in his agency. Even more worse, he was eligible for retirement this February, we took a relocation in June and he now can’t retire until December 2022. I don’t know what to do but I don’t want him to lose his job or get the vaccine.
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I'm going to drag my feet until they fire me and hope for the best when this shit gets sorted. I'm good for a year at least. ymmv Also I will not comply to any degree including vax, testing or disclosure of private information. They don't know whether to shit or go blind.
What makes you think it will take a year?
I don't, but I'm good for that long.
If you have worked for the Federal Gov't for 3 years, they have to progressively put disciplinary actions against you, and these can be strung out for YEARS. This is not a health matter; this is a political matter, but the consequences are terminal.
Delay it as long as you can, and be prepared to find other employment
My job is requiring testing or the vax to go into the office. I don't want to go and won't go in. No test, no mask, no clot chot. When the time comes, I'll just find another 2nd job.
My wife works for a Federal agency, and they have some time for this. I'm guessing your husband doesn't have to act right away either. I shouldn't say more, but this madness will most likely be over before he is required to comply.
this^ is what I keep telling people that are 'worried'
just wait until the last possible minute. until that point, stay under the radar.
liberals ALWAYS change their plans, so never pay attention to their first draft. need to wait through several revisions before even thinking about action.
exactly this...i have pleaded with close family members to wait this out
they travel internationally and were worried about that
we are in the darkness to light phase and i firmly believe we are winning.
they got it anyway and look to this day they could travel without it but it's now too late
I’d say wait it out too. Things will change especially with federal employees. Can’t fire us. 😜
First of all, don't believe that stuff that he "can't" retire due to the relocation. He CAN but he will have to pay for the move, if the gov't paid for it. Second, if he was eligible to retire in Feb, he is still eligible. They are trying to "strong arm" him into getting the jab.
I fully understand that. I wonder if we have to pay if they terminate him?
Have him submit for retirement. He may not want to retire right now but look at the alternative. If he's willing to fight the jab, good for him. If he wants to retire, even better. I don't know the legality of forcing him to pay for a relocation if they terminate him. He needs to read everything he signed. My strongest suggestion is for him to submit for retirement. It's a complicated situation and one you may want to consult with an attorney about, one that is familiar with federal employment.
Honestly I don’t know what to believe about the vaccines. What I do know is no job is worth risking your health or your life needlessly. This goes for all our troops on active duty. Taking these vaccines is not part of what you signed up for! And I know it is sometimes hard to have faith, but God will provide.
Matthew 6:25>
I work for a federal agency and got the email stating I needed to be fully vaccinated by October. I thoroughly read the email and nowhere in it does it state what happens if I don’t. They aren’t putting anything in writing and I’m not taking that death jab. Of course I’d already had my retirement in for December. I’m also wondering if he puts in his retirement for next year if they have to waiver the no-jab punishment because he’s grandfathered in.
How long in advance of retirement can you notify them?
I did mine a year out.
Find a good lawyer. That's what I did. I'm trying to get a religious exemption and hopefully my lawyers letter laying out my religious reasons for not taking Vax will make them think twice before trying to fire me. I will sue them for wrongful termination and religious discrimination. Government Vax mandates violate the 14th ammendment and the Nuremberg code. Stay strong!
Would a leave of absence be possible?
Wait until the very last minute then take a leave of absence until Dec 2022.
here's my strategy:
Ignore email
Ignore second email.
Meet with manager. "Vaccine? What vaccine? My first hearing of this. Give me some time to look this over.
Send a letter of religious exception. Get a preist to sign a letter saying it is my beliefs.
Send a letter from a lawyer.
Say. "ok, ok. I'll get it. I have an appointment scheduled in 2 weeks."
Relax. By now, the King has returned!
Millions have been faced with this dilemma. Not trying to sound harsh or uncaring but this scenario is coming for everyone. Either he stands firm for what he knows is wrong or he bends the knee and potentially damages or kills himself with this jab. It’s illegal so force them to fire him. In the mean time, start searching for a lawyer now not later.
My daughter has until Nov 24. She is just gonna ride it out.
If he’s 20 years in…retire. Enjoy the pension and grab some popcorn. This movie is getting better each day.
No job is worth his health and life. It really is that simple.
I've wondered about people using the Medical Leave Act; get the hell away for awhile and see if the dust settles a bit before doing anything rash. i over e; intellect over emotion
The whole American 'loose your retirement if you are fired 1 day early' is fucking retarded and sure as shit isn't something anyone remotely good made into a reality............
Having worked in federal HR I can tell you there is a strong motivation on management's part to avoid adverse actions, such a removals, because it opens up the agency to liability via EEO or Merit Systems Protection Board complaints, which they then have to litigate. If it were me I would hold on for as long as possible and then try for a settlement agreement where I agreed to retire on the condition my repayment of relocation costs were waived. In any case I'm pretty sure relocation costs are prorated if you do have to repay them, so the longer he can draw it out the better.
Is he working remotely? If so I would argue there is no NEXUS between getting the jab and performance of his duties.
Thanks this is very helpful. He has to travel for work so it’s very complicated.
If he got, let's say, exposed and got the monoclonal antibodies, he couldn't take the clot shot for 3 months. A lot can change in 3 months.
Interesting angle there.
So tell him to keep his spine. Job loss is not the end of the world.
https://files.catbox.moe/nsdqnu.pdf
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/resources-for-americans-pushing-back-against-mandated-coronavirus-vaccines/?utm_source=urgent&utm_campaign=usa
https://lc.org/Site%20Images/Resources/Memo-SampleCOVID-ReligiousExemptionRequests-07262021.pdf
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2021/august/26/15-studies-that-indicate-natural-immunity-from-prior-infection-is-more-robust-than-the-covid-vaccines/
Organizations helping with vaccine/legal issues:
Liberty Counsel: https://lc.org/
Liberty Institute: https://www.libertyinstitute.org/about/faq
Pacific Justice Institute: https://www.secure.pacificjustice.org/site/SPageNavigator/contact_us.html
Advocates For Faith and Freedom: https://faith-freedom.com/
Alliance Defending Freedom: https://adflegal.org/about-us
National Legal Foundation: https://nationallegalfoundation.org/
Thomas More Law Center: https://www.thomasmore.org/
Thomas More Society: https://thomasmoresociety.org/
Christian Legal Society: https://www.christianlegalsociety.org/
American Center for Law and Justice: https://aclj.org/
Center for Law and Religious Freedom: https://www.clsreligiousfreedom.org/about-center
Christian Attorneys of America: https://christianattorneysofamerica.com/
Christian Law Association: https://www.christianlaw.org/
National Association of Christian Lawmakers: https://christianlawmakers.com/
Pacific Legal Foundation: https://pacificlegal.org/
First Liberty: https://firstliberty.org/request-legal-help/
Fight it, I am in the same boat - I work for NASA. So, go ahead and begin disciplinary practices against me. Let the courts decide - but if you take the Vaccine, if it doesn't kill you in a month or so; it will likely kill you in a few years.
So it's a simple equation - suicide or life.
Our son is a federal employee. He declined on religious grounds as he is against abortion and did not want to have GOD's temple violated with a covid shot developed and produced with cell lines from an aborted baby. It was granted.
Well I am being forced to take it. I cant let my family lose everything. I know this is going to either kill me or vastly reduce my life. But nothing I can do. trudeau faked taking the poison, they wont get sick. But we will.
I will look for treatments to try and help, but I feel like I am on my last few days. I plan on looking for a protocol to try and minimize the damage. But short of an intervention from god we all will be subjected to this medical crime. May god have mercy on us.
how are you being forced? until you are physically restrained you are NOT forced
there are plenty of businesses looking for work...what state do you live in?
Loss of income, loss of my home, loss of food......yea I am being forced.
I was planning on leaving canada but that is impossible now, what with the coup in the usa getting to go all nazi of everyone there also. The fact is that I know it is going to kill or reduce my life but as one worthless eater its me against the system and I am surrounded by retarded canadians who are friggen the biggest cucks. I am not wanting to kill myself, but the gov wants me dead. The 99.95% survival rate of rona proves this is a de-population shot. FML
Your family would rather have you alive and healthy but a bit poorer, rather than a couple years maybe of a comfortable life then you’d be gone.
nothing I can do, are you aware of how cucked my country is. They just re-elected a trudeau. There is vast majority for gene therapy and gene therapy death passports. I am in a small minority....My fellow citizens are well, idiots.
Take all of your vacation time and move somewhere. Think of it as an adventure.
Idk. But id do whatever it took to keep my husband from getting that poison. There must be some places of employment that aren’t still requiring?
not at what I am making..... I will try and hold out as long as humanly possible. I might drive to avoid flying. Use my weekends to drive to remote work sites. I might be able to hold out until very early next year. But unless there is a mass die off of vaxed and it gets pulled trudeau is a weak minded moron who hates canadians who will not let this drop. It is not my employer, but the requirement to fly.
I read through some of your posts. You seem to be all over the board. You call others cucked for getting the jab, yet you're getting it just so you can fly to places rather than drive?
You claim to have had covid, but are taking Ivermectin to prevent getting covid?
You seem to just say whatever you think will get you the most attention at the time...
You seem to value material possessions and large paychecks more than your own health and life. Are you offering up your family to be jabbed, too? What dollar amount have you attached to them?
We took a federal relo, they make us pay for it if he quits. It’s $$$$
I think you might have the wrong word there.
Anyway, get rid of the TV. Nobody needs a TV.
Try to find a lawyer and fast. Comirnaty is the only "FDA Approved" vaccine and it is not available so the mandate is forcing him to take something that only has EUA - EUA clearly states that they have to be taken with informed consent - i.e. he has a choice to take it or not.
Links that may help:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/eua/index.html
NMSU Law professor fighting mandates has good links and better explanation of how to fight the mandate:
https://www.scribd.com/document/525426410/New-Mexico-State-University-professor-responds-to-COVID-restrictions-possible-punishment#download
Hope that helps. Pray for discernment.
Most agencies are waiting for guidance from OMB. A lot of federal workers go with the flow and took the jab. The unions are worthless. As for paying back the PCS. Most are prorated for time served. I had more than one employee have a heart attack over seas and we either wrote it off or prorated it by the month. If he is ready for retirement the extra 10 months of pay you are waiting isn’t worth his life. If his agency put a medical or religious exemption in the guidance it’s a done deal he can use it. And if all else fails...the loudest employee always wins. He isn’t alone.
He is not alone. The media drives this narrative. The people regurgitate it. The people who have NOT complied are all afraid to speak out.
At this point, it is probably safe to assume anyone who HASN'T virtue signaled their vaxx status is silent because they have refused (so far) to comply.
Tell him to look for those who have said nothing about it at all. Those are the people that need to band together.
lc.org
I would like to see all federal workers press charges citing the Nuremberg code. try atty renz.
Just lie
https://www.law360.com/articles/1424612/gov-t-employees-sue-over-biden-s-covid-19-vax-mandates
Your husband needs to take a stand. Don't quit, don't lie, and don't get the shot if he doesn't want it. Make them fire him. Verbal threats to terminate are different than actions. Talk is cheap.
If he actually gets fired, then you get unemployment, and hire an attorney. He will win. (You might even get a bargain deal of early retirement, to just go away.)
Time to stand up.
People that work in jobs for a very long time are the most scared of losing their jobs. Folks like me that will have 3 to 5 jobs a year in IT are so use to it that we aren't in phased by it.
Best thing to do is create an resume and read books on how to interview. Everybody is hiring right now. There's no reason to be afraid.
"There is radio silence in his agency."
I am hearing from friends in some agencies that they haven't received any guidance yet with regards to the vax mandate. no guidance at all coming down. not even for the testing weekly or attestation stuff. maybe that is just that part of government just slow rolling it but something weird I think is going on. hopefully the habbening. but I'd wait it out.
and in any case the federal government may be furloughed come october anyways so why get the vax if the govt is shutdown?
His agency hasn’t required testing or masks, but they did send the email with the deadline and their email included discipline up to and including termination.
He’s afraid to wait and have them terminate him swiftly.
The government only drones kids swiftly.
i second this.
one thing federals don't do swiftly is fire people. it takes months. and for some cases I have known about literally years to fire someone.
Only cases where people were fired quickly was pedophiles/CP or spying, as in literal spying for foreign powers. crazy clown world.
Number 1 FDA approved for Pfizer Comirnaty ONLY, which is not available right now in USA - BioNTech is only EUA - This is the FDA Fact Sheet for vaccine - https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download From Page 6 of Pfizer BioNTech Fact Sheet - dated Aug 23RD 2021 - WHAT IF I DECIDE NOT TO GET COMIRNATY (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA) OR THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE? Under the EUA, it is your choice to receive or not receive the vaccine. Should you decide not to receive it, it will not change your standard medical care.
You can also get a Lawyer IF they persist, and have them sign a Doc that if your Husband is injured or Killed because of this, THEY are responsible because they are forcing him to take it under EUA approval. Also you can ask for Informed Consent of what the side effoects and Ingredients in the injection
What agency? Because some of them don't have t get vaxxed.
He does. It’s official.
https://greatawakening.win/p/13zMwsFIsp/this-is-the-way-it-will-work-i-n/
The Patriot that made this post is an attorney, and is eager to make a difference. Perhaps ask his advice?
Really? There are going to be plenty of jobs in the near future! Enjoy some time off! Get some popcorn.