If the airlines made the vax mandatory to keep your job... then it became a job function. It was a requirement of employment, like any other job related requirement.
As such, the airline made taking the vax a workplace function, so she was injured while performing the duties of her job. Airline is responsible.
Put ME on that jury... and she would be awarded $20 Million easily. Airline is actually getting off easily. They could be sued for 3 X that amount for knowingly requiring employees to put themselves in danger, because they should have known that employees would suffer health problems due to the vax. If they didn't know... then that shows how irresponsible they were to require the vax and make it mandatory in the first place.
Yep. I get the feeling this will be a highly repeated scenario and a lot of these companies forcing vax now may go bankrupt once the claims start piling up. Like hospitals for instance.
Then there will no money to pay all the claims , see how this works ?? No one will get rich from taking the vax if every company is sued out of existence.
Not everyone is a frontline warrior and your fury at this woman for not being one is rather telling. She was coerced into a medical procedure to keep her livelihood. She has every right to sue. Being coldhearted towards those just tryimg to live their lives is no way to win allies.
Look, I get your hardline reasoning and, to a degree outside this particular context, I agree with it.
The point is much simpler, however: Weak minded fools take it without any compunction, seeking virtue points and head-pats. Others of weak willpower feel pressured to do it under threat of losing their jobs. This is caving, yes, but under duress and pressure which is the exact definition of coercion. It's psychological torture to these people. Again, coercion; i.e. "Do this or else".
You see, under normal circumstances if not pressured and threatened (coercion) they may not have gotten the jab but, as stated, some just give in to bullies like they did in school. Others, like you and I, stand up to those bullies and as is often the case beat their ass for being a bully (at least I did this).
So, simpler terms: being threatened with an ultimatum to do something "or else" is the literal definition of coercion, full stop. It doesnt matter what your or my particular feelings on the matter are, it just is what it is.
Apparently a way to get promoted into a secret society that infiltrates the west known as Hydra....err I mean the deep state, and continuing what you've been doing just secretly and with even more resources at your disposal than before and be hailed as heros on TV....or I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist
This is going to be the one that blows open the damn of litigation. Replace airline with your company, replace flight attendant with your job title. This should scare the shit out of places like hospitals who have fired the very people who were being called "heros" a year ago.
I'm so so happy that the people behind these sick policies are going to be held accountable. For me, this is the only part of the movie so far where I have really felt an urge to indulge in some popcorn. This small little moment, at least, feels like we're winning or at least like we WILL win.
There isn’t enough revenue in all these companies to pay these lawsuits. Every company can’t go bankrupt from lawsuits and still pay the lawsuits. How many lawsuits can insurance companies pay before they go bankrupt ?
How many can pay before they go bankrupt? Don're really care. They need to go bankrupt and fold. These businesses that went along with this need to close and new ones open. This needs to be a big lesson to business that "I was only following orders" will not work because for a lot that's the defense they're going to use.
While I appreciate the idea, I am not sure that is gonna happen. My company was just following what were president Biden’s orders for federal dollars. It doesn’t matter that it is illegal, it doesn’t matter that it is wrong.
The simple fact remains: if all of us that were threatened by these companies just “following orders” were to win a lawsuit, or have the exact same case as a winning lawsuit, there isn’t enough money to pay the winners. So the board, who are rich as fuck anyway, go away, company folds, still no money to pay. Half the country can’t win lawsuits against 10-50% of large employers.
If the lawsuit is successful against the airlines... it could flip the script entirely.
Businesses will not only STOP mandating the vax, but will be extremely willing to hiring the non-vaxed. If they are legally liable for any damages, they probably will want to distance themselves from 'mandatory vax' requirements as much as possible.
I hope that anyone with a jerk of an employer participating in these mandates is documenting EVERYTHING.
If this case wins it is setting a big precedent and even people who did not take the jab but who experienced emotional distress resulting from the threats and coercion and discrimination of their employer which absolutely is linked to causing disease (dis - ease) in the body, even those people who held out should be able to sue their asshole employers AND WIN BIG. Praying for every last person who took the jab under duress, lost their job or was alienated, discriminated against, put into a state of fear and distress and otherwise and in any way HARMED by this government promoted evil.
You are right, I have not caved, but I have suffered emotional distress. All of us will not getting paid.
It’s sort of the same thing as the GME fallacy … everyone is not gonna be a millionaire from this. Maybe the few up front get paid, but there won’t be much left for us.
Example: Q implied some huge companies (Facebook?) would collapse under the weight of their own illegal activities (paraphrasing iirc). If the company collapses, there is not a revenue stream to pay lawsuits or damages or lawyers fees.
Emotional distress is terrible. Because it happens internally, emotional pain is still not well understood. Many times emotional distress manifests physical illness in the body. The general public doesn't seem to view emotional harm as an injury in the same ways physical injuries are recognized and our legal system is only somewhat better.
Emotional pain produces similar activity in the brain to physical pain. There have been studies designed to measure pain that have found instances of emotional pain measured by activity in regions of the brain EXCEEDING the measurements recorded of similar brain activity in response to physical pain. So, in my opinion and based on my research to date, I view both physical and emotional injuries as significant and worthy of compensation through our legal system when the harm imposed is unlawful and deliberate as in the case of jab coercion by an employer.
The emotional injuries people are enduring as a result of discrimination, coercion and threats may be harder to collect on in a legal suit even though there is some legal precedent for compensating emotional injuries which is really unfortunate for people like yourself who have been legitimately harmed. We live in a society that values the physical over the emotional and spiritual and our legal system reflects that, I think.
In terms of this woman and her case, my perspective is that her case, if successful, should serve to set legal precedent that these companies have engaged in wrongdoing which, to me, is a win for us in efforts to purge the corruption and evil from our nation.
There really isn't a "coerced" debate. Replace "shot" with "penis" and ask them if requiring her to receive the penis injection or get fired is coercion.
It absolutely, legally, is coercion. You can't remove choice down to " do it or you will be fired" and call it consent. Precedent has established this.
I agree I don’t know how anyone can say this isn’t coercion. I hope she wins millions and this sets precedent and all these other companies mandating the jab get their asses handed to them.
You can say she was coerced, the truth is that she CAVED and is now suffering the well known potential consequences of that decision. Had she not had an adverse reaction she’d be missing out on her current 15 minutes. This woman is not a victim nor a fucking hero just another one that is, at least, partially vaccinated. I’ve lost jobs, housing, friends and even family at times for standing in my convictions...what I didn’t lose was my integrity nor my soul and NOTHING is worth more than that. I pray that she’s able to find peace with herself and the extremely unfortunate CHOICE she ultimately made.
Listen, I totally agree with you. She's not someone that those of us who have held out and made sacrifices for our convictions can feel a whole lot of sympathy for. BUT my personal take is that I care more about the outcome of having employers engaged in this sick coercion held accountable for their crimes and for setting a precedent that employers are responsible for harm caused as a result of their coercion than I care about the fact that this person may be taking advantage of her own weakness or cowardice and getting rewarded with a payout. Unless we have walked a day in her shoes, we can't really judge whether or not we would have made the same decision in her position. Hopefilly we can look past the imperfections of the people leading the charge against the corruption to focus on our desired outcome which is for all of us to win and for them to lose. My thought is that if she is successful, the people who have been put on unpaid leave, the people who have been fired and the people who have maintained their jobs but experienced discrimination or other mental and physical distress as a result of these employers actions will have legal grounds to bring suit as well.
I still wonder about all these places that have given the jab and their liability in all this. I don't think they'll be able to claim they didn't know especially after we've seen pharmacists quit over the poison goo.
All of these airlines need to go out of business and we need to start over. The FAA shouldn't be the commissar of all air traffic to maintain airline monopolies. It's absurd and the entire reason why airlines innovation has been nonexistent for nearly 40 years. Just 40 years ago you could order a small plane or helicopter from a magazine and build it yourself and provide rides from your driveway. Today? Forget it. Even a small person manned balloon or blimp would get you arrested or fined.
Most of the people I know who took the vax did so under duress. People need to live and when you take away their opportunity to earn a living they get desperate.
True, but I know some people that are so indoctrinated that they would lap the vaccine up off a washroom floor they had to. Falling for the lies is one thing, being threatened with having the food taken off your table is another.
These corporations are being told that they don’t need to respect medical and religious exemptions. Well if I turn in my religious exemption and you fire me anyway, who is to say you didn’t discriminate against me because of my religion?
These idiots are blinded and asleep.
And you bet your ass they are liable if they require something and it causes harm.
Argue? Why? That is what it was. Literally the definition of coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
They threatened her livelihood in order to coerce her into getting a medical procedure that she didn't want or need and now she is experiencing pain and suffering from it.
If the boss says, "Have sex with me if you like your job." Whats that? If the boss says, "Participate in medical experimentation if you like your job." Whats that?
Sounds like one person or group using their power over another to coerce them into doing something they would not willingly do.
If the airlines made the vax mandatory to keep your job... then it became a job function. It was a requirement of employment, like any other job related requirement.
As such, the airline made taking the vax a workplace function, so she was injured while performing the duties of her job. Airline is responsible.
Put ME on that jury... and she would be awarded $20 Million easily. Airline is actually getting off easily. They could be sued for 3 X that amount for knowingly requiring employees to put themselves in danger, because they should have known that employees would suffer health problems due to the vax. If they didn't know... then that shows how irresponsible they were to require the vax and make it mandatory in the first place.
Take it to the end. If she wins, it will set a precedent on required jabs.
Bankrupt those commie cunts
Yep. I get the feeling this will be a highly repeated scenario and a lot of these companies forcing vax now may go bankrupt once the claims start piling up. Like hospitals for instance.
Then there will no money to pay all the claims , see how this works ?? No one will get rich from taking the vax if every company is sued out of existence.
I feel people who win and get money might need to start new companies.
Somebody promised all these big corporations they would never be held responsible.
She should press criminal charges pursuant to 18 USC 242.
That's the literal definition result of coercion.
Coercion: noun
the act of coercing; use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.
force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force.
Not everyone is a frontline warrior and your fury at this woman for not being one is rather telling. She was coerced into a medical procedure to keep her livelihood. She has every right to sue. Being coldhearted towards those just tryimg to live their lives is no way to win allies.
Look, I get your hardline reasoning and, to a degree outside this particular context, I agree with it.
The point is much simpler, however: Weak minded fools take it without any compunction, seeking virtue points and head-pats. Others of weak willpower feel pressured to do it under threat of losing their jobs. This is caving, yes, but under duress and pressure which is the exact definition of coercion. It's psychological torture to these people. Again, coercion; i.e. "Do this or else".
You see, under normal circumstances if not pressured and threatened (coercion) they may not have gotten the jab but, as stated, some just give in to bullies like they did in school. Others, like you and I, stand up to those bullies and as is often the case beat their ass for being a bully (at least I did this).
So, simpler terms: being threatened with an ultimatum to do something "or else" is the literal definition of coercion, full stop. It doesnt matter what your or my particular feelings on the matter are, it just is what it is.
Thanks for the heads up. I concede i probably missed the distinction.
Yep, they should have done their own due diligence.
Threat of termination without injection=coercion.
Also violates the Nuremberg Code.
What's the penalty for violating the Nuremberg Code?
Apparently a way to get promoted into a secret society that infiltrates the west known as Hydra....err I mean the deep state, and continuing what you've been doing just secretly and with even more resources at your disposal than before and be hailed as heros on TV....or I'm just a crazy conspiracy theorist
Your craaaaazy man!
Nobody gives a shit about Nuremberg anymore. See if any federal court cares. They should, but they don’t.
Exactly:
coerce | kōˈərs | verb [with object]
persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats: they were coerced into silence.
• obtain (something) by using force or threats: their confessions were allegedly coerced by torture.
They're putting them on "unpaid leave."
This is going to be the one that blows open the damn of litigation. Replace airline with your company, replace flight attendant with your job title. This should scare the shit out of places like hospitals who have fired the very people who were being called "heros" a year ago.
Difference is she took the jab.
I'm so so happy that the people behind these sick policies are going to be held accountable. For me, this is the only part of the movie so far where I have really felt an urge to indulge in some popcorn. This small little moment, at least, feels like we're winning or at least like we WILL win.
We've already won. The last moves need to play out.
There isn’t enough revenue in all these companies to pay these lawsuits. Every company can’t go bankrupt from lawsuits and still pay the lawsuits. How many lawsuits can insurance companies pay before they go bankrupt ?
How many can pay before they go bankrupt? Don're really care. They need to go bankrupt and fold. These businesses that went along with this need to close and new ones open. This needs to be a big lesson to business that "I was only following orders" will not work because for a lot that's the defense they're going to use.
While I appreciate the idea, I am not sure that is gonna happen. My company was just following what were president Biden’s orders for federal dollars. It doesn’t matter that it is illegal, it doesn’t matter that it is wrong.
The simple fact remains: if all of us that were threatened by these companies just “following orders” were to win a lawsuit, or have the exact same case as a winning lawsuit, there isn’t enough money to pay the winners. So the board, who are rich as fuck anyway, go away, company folds, still no money to pay. Half the country can’t win lawsuits against 10-50% of large employers.
Who cares. Insurance companies need to go as well. Bunch of shitty scammers.
If the lawsuit is successful against the airlines... it could flip the script entirely.
Businesses will not only STOP mandating the vax, but will be extremely willing to hiring the non-vaxed. If they are legally liable for any damages, they probably will want to distance themselves from 'mandatory vax' requirements as much as possible.
How could they have not expected it to go this way in the first place?
I hope that anyone with a jerk of an employer participating in these mandates is documenting EVERYTHING.
If this case wins it is setting a big precedent and even people who did not take the jab but who experienced emotional distress resulting from the threats and coercion and discrimination of their employer which absolutely is linked to causing disease (dis - ease) in the body, even those people who held out should be able to sue their asshole employers AND WIN BIG. Praying for every last person who took the jab under duress, lost their job or was alienated, discriminated against, put into a state of fear and distress and otherwise and in any way HARMED by this government promoted evil.
You are right, I have not caved, but I have suffered emotional distress. All of us will not getting paid.
It’s sort of the same thing as the GME fallacy … everyone is not gonna be a millionaire from this. Maybe the few up front get paid, but there won’t be much left for us.
Example: Q implied some huge companies (Facebook?) would collapse under the weight of their own illegal activities (paraphrasing iirc). If the company collapses, there is not a revenue stream to pay lawsuits or damages or lawyers fees.
Emotional distress is terrible. Because it happens internally, emotional pain is still not well understood. Many times emotional distress manifests physical illness in the body. The general public doesn't seem to view emotional harm as an injury in the same ways physical injuries are recognized and our legal system is only somewhat better.
Emotional pain produces similar activity in the brain to physical pain. There have been studies designed to measure pain that have found instances of emotional pain measured by activity in regions of the brain EXCEEDING the measurements recorded of similar brain activity in response to physical pain. So, in my opinion and based on my research to date, I view both physical and emotional injuries as significant and worthy of compensation through our legal system when the harm imposed is unlawful and deliberate as in the case of jab coercion by an employer.
The emotional injuries people are enduring as a result of discrimination, coercion and threats may be harder to collect on in a legal suit even though there is some legal precedent for compensating emotional injuries which is really unfortunate for people like yourself who have been legitimately harmed. We live in a society that values the physical over the emotional and spiritual and our legal system reflects that, I think.
In terms of this woman and her case, my perspective is that her case, if successful, should serve to set legal precedent that these companies have engaged in wrongdoing which, to me, is a win for us in efforts to purge the corruption and evil from our nation.
There really isn't a "coerced" debate. Replace "shot" with "penis" and ask them if requiring her to receive the penis injection or get fired is coercion.
It absolutely, legally, is coercion. You can't remove choice down to " do it or you will be fired" and call it consent. Precedent has established this.
I agree I don’t know how anyone can say this isn’t coercion. I hope she wins millions and this sets precedent and all these other companies mandating the jab get their asses handed to them.
You can say she was coerced, the truth is that she CAVED and is now suffering the well known potential consequences of that decision. Had she not had an adverse reaction she’d be missing out on her current 15 minutes. This woman is not a victim nor a fucking hero just another one that is, at least, partially vaccinated. I’ve lost jobs, housing, friends and even family at times for standing in my convictions...what I didn’t lose was my integrity nor my soul and NOTHING is worth more than that. I pray that she’s able to find peace with herself and the extremely unfortunate CHOICE she ultimately made.
Listen, I totally agree with you. She's not someone that those of us who have held out and made sacrifices for our convictions can feel a whole lot of sympathy for. BUT my personal take is that I care more about the outcome of having employers engaged in this sick coercion held accountable for their crimes and for setting a precedent that employers are responsible for harm caused as a result of their coercion than I care about the fact that this person may be taking advantage of her own weakness or cowardice and getting rewarded with a payout. Unless we have walked a day in her shoes, we can't really judge whether or not we would have made the same decision in her position. Hopefilly we can look past the imperfections of the people leading the charge against the corruption to focus on our desired outcome which is for all of us to win and for them to lose. My thought is that if she is successful, the people who have been put on unpaid leave, the people who have been fired and the people who have maintained their jobs but experienced discrimination or other mental and physical distress as a result of these employers actions will have legal grounds to bring suit as well.
Victims often cave to the demands of their attacker
I still wonder about all these places that have given the jab and their liability in all this. I don't think they'll be able to claim they didn't know especially after we've seen pharmacists quit over the poison goo.
If there's emails/texts to prove coercion, then she's got a slam-dunk case against them.
Company policy and public statements would be enough in this case. Let's see.
"a major US Airline". The victim is protecting her abuser. She should call them out by name.
Attorneys usually tell their clients to stfu.
This is why people need pre- and post-jab health stats to prove that it is the jab if they go down this path.
All of these airlines need to go out of business and we need to start over. The FAA shouldn't be the commissar of all air traffic to maintain airline monopolies. It's absurd and the entire reason why airlines innovation has been nonexistent for nearly 40 years. Just 40 years ago you could order a small plane or helicopter from a magazine and build it yourself and provide rides from your driveway. Today? Forget it. Even a small person manned balloon or blimp would get you arrested or fined.
There is nothing to debate. If you are told that your job and career depends on getting a jab, then it is coercion.
Awesome. This should be a wake up call to all other employers.
Going to copy and paste this video everywhere.
I always thought this would fall under EEO complaint.
thats what i thought. she's looking good if she's over 40
Most of the people I know who took the vax did so under duress. People need to live and when you take away their opportunity to earn a living they get desperate.
2 years of military grade psychological manipulation by our elected governments has put everyone under duress.
True, but I know some people that are so indoctrinated that they would lap the vaccine up off a washroom floor they had to. Falling for the lies is one thing, being threatened with having the food taken off your table is another.
These corporations are being told that they don’t need to respect medical and religious exemptions. Well if I turn in my religious exemption and you fire me anyway, who is to say you didn’t discriminate against me because of my religion?
These idiots are blinded and asleep.
And you bet your ass they are liable if they require something and it causes harm.
She didn't say what airline but I bet it's United.
Argue? Why? That is what it was. Literally the definition of coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
They threatened her livelihood in order to coerce her into getting a medical procedure that she didn't want or need and now she is experiencing pain and suffering from it.
I'm very surprised that more private citizens aren't suing large corps, but it is very clear mandates aren't laws.
You Americans have a strong case because of your strong bill of rights.
If the boss says, "Have sex with me if you like your job." Whats that? If the boss says, "Participate in medical experimentation if you like your job." Whats that?
Sounds like one person or group using their power over another to coerce them into doing something they would not willingly do.
There is no debate on being coerced. That's exactly what it is.
Does anyone know when the verdict to this will be done?
Flight attendant is a prestigious position and you have a ton of competition for it.
I tried for 2 years mostly being turned down.
Made it to week 4 till they decided a disabled vet was a liability.
No, we cannot debate that she was coerced.
She was. If her job was made contingent upon her receiving the vaccine, that is coercion.
Period.
Fits the legal definition of coercion. A mute point when iys your health.