"it's just a mandate, mandates are not law".
On the surface this is a correct and perfectly logical statement. But know why I don't like it?
What happens if our corrupt and illegitimate Congress makes it a law? Now we have shot ourselves in the foot by implying we have to follow it because it's law. I don't care if they make a law that says you have to get the jab or face a firing squad, I'm not gonna follow unjust laws.
It kinda reminds me of the line I heard a lot and have even been guilty of saying myself "it's not even FDA approved"... Until it was. Then what? We all had to change our line of thinking. Good logic does not require this kind of tweaking.
Maybe I'm just being pedantic but I wanted to give my two cents. Thoughts on this?
From a lawful perspective, even a statute is constrained by the Constitution.
From a practical perspective, they will deny you every privilege they can and violate every right you have until it becomes too costly for them to do so.
The more prepared we are, the more costly it can be.
Agreed
None of the available JABS are FDA approved. The supposedly FDA approved version is NOT available.
Why?
Truth!
"Mandates are not laws" is not for us, it's an easy red-pill for everyone else. Our job is to wake the world up. We take the wins where we can get them. This one is an easy win.
I didn't change my thinking at all. Not one iota. I just changed my tactics in red-pilling others. Change happens, adapt. Our job doesn't change when our phrases no longer apply. We just have to find a new easy to swallow red-pill.
Agree to disagree fren. Like I said I don't like having to switch tactics, it makes us look foolish to the average normie who already think we're nuts.
You worrying about what an average normie thinks is a bigger issue pal.
I'm NOT worried about what normies think.
I'm just saying how are we supposed to red pill people if we get proven wrong and have to change tactics?
How are you proven wrong if it changes from a mandate to a law?
Do mandates magically become laws?
Maybe your message should be "Fuck the vaccines" and then you have nothing to worry about.
To be fair we weren't proven wrong about the whole FDA approval stuff. All the Covid vaccines currently available are still under an EUA. The Cominiraty vaccine which IS the FDA approved one won't be available until 2023 I believe.
How does it make anyone look foolish? I don't feel even slightly foolish. If you feel foolish, or others are calling you nuts, then you should change tactics. It's obviously not working for you. It works fantastic for me though, and I never feel foolish.
When people say I'm crazy I tell them the Jury is out. Just smile when they say that and say don't believe me, don't believe anyone, investigate for yourself.
What if someone's red pill was the fda approval, and then it was approved? Red Pill dissolves.
First, no one goes back to sleep once they wake up. It's a one way door.
Second, the FDA hasn't approved shit. They pretended to approve something, which doubles the red-pill power of the original statement once that is shown.
Regardless, use the glitches in The Matrix to red-pill. In the case of "Mandates are not Laws" this is not only a red-pill, it is a fundamental understanding of the nature of the social universe.
There is so much more to this idea than the simple showing that there is no law. Contained within this simple statement is the understanding that Mandates are Dictates, which implicitly come from a Dictator. If someone is giving out mandates, then our government is a dictatorship, not a democracy (which is a self-contradictory lie, but that's for another time).
It also helps to understand what a Law is. By recognizing that they are conflating dictates with laws they realize, at least on some level, that laws themselves are fabrications of reality. That a thing that gets written down and "voted on" all of the sudden becomes a new reality for everyone. It shows that lawmakers have the power to change reality, which is too much power.
It shows a fundamental flaw in the system, and how little their own lives mean to such a system.
Not everyone is going to get all of that completely, but it opens the door to these discoveries. It doesn't matter if it later changes. These ideas are implanted, and they counter the programming. They are worms that corrupt the system (in this case by eating away at corrupt primary programs).
There are NO fully approved covid vaxes. They are FDA approved under EULA, they are still an experiment. You can call Pzier or however you spell it, and they will tell you they have no approved vaxines.
Here's a term that MSM pulls out and we repeat......FDA approved under EUA. NONE are approved.....they are AUTHORIZED..... big difference. The official terminology is: Authorized for emergency use provided there are no other therapeutics available. Just because they suppressed Ivermectin sales does not mean it doesnt exist.
Great point on the FDA-approved thing.
If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.
Agreed, fren!
I got really discouraged when the FDA approved that frankenjab, so now I don't give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. I could absolutely see them forcing through a bullshit law. And how many people would get it just because they think they're out of options?
I think we all have to draw our own lines in the sand - the hill that I am going to die on is not getting the jab - they can pass all the mandates/laws/proclamations/whatever but they are going to have to first catch me, then hold me down and inject it - good luck with that!
#WeAreNotExactlyLikeAustralia
I tell you what phrase I want people to stop using, that precursors the phrase 'mandate'.
"I had Covid".
NO YOU FUCKING DIDN'T. You had a bad respiratory illness. A physician TOLD YOU it was CONVID.
The people who persist in perpetuating the LIERUS, even with good intentions eg to prove they 'survived' and it 'wasn't that bad', is why we are still here now after two FUCKING years.
Agreed fren
Strange a respiratory illness fucks your taste buds and smell up for months. I’ve never had lingering smell of cigarettes for months constantly after a respiratory illness. It’s real and it’s definitely lab-made and not natural.
This is a symptom of Bartonella and Lyme disease, FYI. Phantom smells, like cigarettes, gas, and buttered popcorn (yes it's weird). Do you have chronic sinusitis? Bartonella causes it.
You can get Bartonella from a cat scratch or bite, and supposedly 50% of the cats in the US have it -- it's the #1 cause of disability in veterinarians because they get bit and scratched so much. Conventional doctors don't know shit about Bartonella.
Ever wake up with a sore throat that goes away for no reason? Have bottom of foot pain in the morning? Swollen glands in your neck, esp. on one side, for months at a time? Nerve pain? Spasms? Ice pick head pain? Were you ever told you had "mono" or "a summer flu" or "chronic fatigue" or "long Covid"? Any neurological symptoms? Depression? Been told you have "Bipolar disorder"? These are all Bartonella symptoms.
Bartonella is a separate bacteria from Borrelia, and there are over 20 strands of it. The standard test looks for 1 strand so testing is wildly inaccurate -- like Lyme you can test "negative" and still have it. Your doctor and any ER doctor or neurologist will use the ELISA test for Lyme, which is flat out wrong 50% of the time.
Most people who get bit by a tick NEVER see it -- they can be smaller than a poppy seed. You can also get these infections from spider bites and fleas, not just ticks.
Ticks are literally everywhere, they are carried by migratory birds, not just deer. Obviously if you tell me you live or spend any time in Wisconsin, New England, NJ, Long Island (RAMPANT LYME), you have cats or dogs, or you hunt, or trail run, or hike a lot then the chance of Lyme goes way, way up. But it is everywhere. The CDC, like everything else, lies about the Lyme epidemic.
Lyme and co-infections like Bartonella can hide out in the body for DECADES -- Lyme goes into cyst form, it's a corkscrew shaped bacteria and it will drill into bone and tissue and stay there. They also hide in protective biofilms, which most antibiotics cannot reach.
In a lot of people your immune system will keep these infections in check UNTIL something happens (like a bad cold, or flu, or car accident, or major stress) to weaken your body. Then boom the Lyme explodes. Therefore you can be bit by a tick literally decades earlier and have Lyme and Bartonella the entire time and not know it (this is what happened to me, I was misdiagnosed with "Multiple Sclerosis" by 4 neurologists.)
If anyone suspects Lyme, Bartonella, or Babesia (the most common co-infections, because you never get JUST Lyme), you need to find a LLMD and have a Western Blot test done through Igenex or Armin (speciality labs).
Check your symptoms:
https://www.tiredoflyme.com/horowitz-lyme-msids-questionnaire.html
These are some good resources:
https://www.ilads.org
https://rawlsmd.com/health-conditions/lyme-disease
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30
https://rawlsmd.com/health-conditions/lyme-disease#chronic
https://rawlsmd.com/health-articles/lyme-coinfection-comparisons-what-your-symptoms-could-be-telling-you
I hope this helps someone. I wasted 7 years with the wrong diagnosis, with idiot neurologists trying to put me on steroids (this will kill you) and rush me out of their office, after paying thousands of $$$ for useless brain MRIs.
Yup this will forever be the biggest road block to trying to convince people Covid isn't real. The loss of taste and smell thing is what reinforces it being real. And it makes sense.
I lost a few friends because they said they had covid and I tried to tell them it didn't exist. Their only reasoning was that they lost their sense of smell and taste for about a week and it was "worse than the flu".
Not that it makes any difference now, but it could have been worth telling them that oral thrush symptoms include loss of smell and taste, and dentists have been reporting a huge increase in oral thrush cases because of mask-wearing.
Fair enough fren.
My only issue is congress passes illegal laws all the time, it's practically all they do now. So I can see them making this mandate a law, and it won't matter if it's unconstitutional or not, the normies will just parrot the same old bullshit.
And we need to stop calling dictates, "mandates." They are dictates, ordered by dictators.
I agree
We need to understand our rights come from God. Laws, mandates, edicts, pleads, or moral authority do not matter. Our rights granted by God are self evident and take precedent over all of man's rules.
We have a right to do as we please as long as we do not infringe on the God given rights of others.
Stand for those rights and require others to use force to take them from you.
But its still not FDA approved. So theres that.
Yes. Came here to say this!
It's Schrodinger's jab. It is FDA approved and it's also not.
It is very simple. There isnt a Covid-19 related "vaccine" = Gene Therapy injection approved by the FDA in the US. Repeating headlines from the MSM that the vaccine is FDA approved is not in the best interest of anyone.
Yet we had users say they specifically saw comirnaty on vials. The name comes after approval.
You think the FDA is a bastion of trustworthy bureaucracy? You think that part of government is noble and the rest isn't?
Not sure what you are getting at here really. I think the FDA is a pile of garbage centered around all people sick based on their approvals of almost everything they have their dirty fingers in.
Comirnaty, BioNTech may very well be on vials. I doubt they were in the US. If they were that is even more issues involved. The approval however was for the continued study of that particular brand of the Gene therapy injection. Ive read all the documents associated with the FDA "approval". My point of this comment however, was to point out the OP stating the vaccine is FDA approved as an example of choosing what not to say.
If they make it a law, I'm officially an outlaw.
Frankly i dont give a shit what they call it. If its a mandate my answer is FU, if they make it a law it is an illegal and unconstitutional law so FUCK YOU AND THE DONKEY YOU RODE IN ON. As far as worrying one damn second about pilling anyone about this situation by this time they either already have been jabbed or they are so brain dead stupid they would be doing the world a favor if they did. Im not attempting to convince anyone anymore, the lines have been drawn and there is more urgent things to do They are in Gods hands now, the end wont be for everyone.
Fair
Any law that violates the US Constitution is, in itself, an illegal law. We have lots of them. Fight them on Constitutional grounds.
In corrupt courts?
Good post red,.mind if i add my 2 cents worth ,newzealand,australia, canada,and the US are all Corporations ,and most Corporations still use. Maritime Law,.i believe the US went from a Republic to a Corporation in 1871,.The NZ (govt) became a Corporation in 1986,So as an Illigitimate Corporation the (govt) cannot legally govern,because they use Maritime Law,,.Maritime Law is a Contracts Law,which was specifically designed for the Oceon or the High seas,So Acts,Statutes,and Mandates are not Laws they are Contracts,between the Ccorporate (govt) and the people,.the people enforce the LAW by Consent,.so no consent NO law,..Mandattes only become Law by those who wish to be governed by them,..So to enable the (govt) corporation to govern they had to have a Law,.of the Land because there already was a Law of the Land,. Common Law, So the corporate (govt) had to bring their Maritime Law ashore, ,.So how did they accomplish that,by calling Roads Sea Lanes,..thats right ,they called the Roads Sea Lanes,you heard the phrase," use your indicators to change LANES " there you go,.In NZ the names of the Roads are Blue Indicating the Oceon,.and the Lettering is White indicating the Tips of the waves,.Under Common Law roads are called " Common Ways " just thought that some people might find it enteresting,.
I agree 100%. It's too bad everyone couldn't be made to understand this.
The jabs are not FDA approved.
They are, FDA is corrupt. Laws aren't holy water to the demons, they don't give a damn.
They’re not. The FDA approved Comirnaty which isn’t on the market yet. None of the jabs that have been injected are FDA approved. If you know anything to the contrary, please share it.
They approved Comirnaty only for clinical trials - and not even in the US.
Show me the fda approval for injections on the market in the US
Correct. Words have meaning.
Right. Normies love to parrot shit. If we keep saying "mandates are not law" if it becomes a law the normies will throw it right back in our faces. Thanks for the feedback fren!
I agree with you. Crazy mandate or crazy law are both crazy. When crazy anything curtails your freedoms of action or choice it comes in conflict with the Constitution. We cannot be free and controlled at the same time especially when it comes to your right to be free with respect to choosing medical procedures.
It's a movie.
Shouting at the movie won't stop the actor from checking out the spooky noise coming from the woods in the dark.
If Q is real, congress can't stop what is coming. I expect more than half of them to be in jail or GITMO before too long.
Indeed, nomenclature is in need of revival.
Yep!
The vax is NOT FDA APPROVED, though.
You can't enforce a contract that is illegitimate to enforce?
They do it all the time, shit look at the Patriot act
Lol yes they'll try. They've been doing it for decades hence we are here. I see it as more of the same scramble bs they hide behind whatever distraction is the media spin this week. It appears to me like death throes. They won't go quietly.
This is one to watch:
https://www.fox28spokane.com/navy-seal-lawsuit-against-bidens-vaccine-mandate-heads-to-court-monday-in-florida/
I agree completely. Part of this Awakening is learning not only to think logically but to doubt everything until we prove it to ourselves. More than logic, it’s CRITICAL thinking that we are perfecting. Doing our own thinking instead of reading someone else’s thoughts and assuming those are truth.
Mandates are not laws. Laws are only as good as those who follow them. No law supercedes the Constitution.
Mandates not being laws, however, is a valid point that relates to the current obstruction imposed upon OSHA by the federal courts.
As John McAfee shared... the deep state is largely embedded within these very agencies, such that the laws passed have enabled these agencies then create hundreds of thousands of regulations
This is no democracy, but rather an autocracy.
Congress was the target points to the fact that this legislative body has been what has fueled such, and likely where voter fraud has been largely occurring to ensure that their agenda remains.
The executive authorities have been molested through judicial case law that has interpreted the Constitution and delegated authority away from the states and brought it into the broad scope of what policing powers have been determined to include, as well as what might pertain to interstate commerce.
I think you fail to recognize that the FDA approval meant nothing because the FDA-approved vaccine is NOT available within the United States. The only vaccine available is the Pfizer-BioNTech one that was reissued Emergency Use Authorization. Pfizer says these two can be used 'interchangeably' however such cannot be the case as both are different legally and in their delivery mechanisms.
If they were truly the same thing then there would be no true justification for only reissuing an EUA for the vaccine being used. If an FDA-approved vaccine was available, such would also be true that all other EUA's be rescinded.
I do not believe the company making the claim that they can be used in place of one another is based on any legal foundation to support that argument that anyone could make a EUA product compulsory.
I never understood the FDA approval thing.
All it takes is the stroke of a pen. Then it's "approved" for the govt to force a needle into your body, full of deadly poisons.
Now you're gonna take it? Stupid.
"What happens if our corrupt and illegitimate Congress makes [a mandate] law?"
Congress can never pass an unconstitutional law. A legislative body whether local, state, or federal will pass unconstitutional items of legislation—bills, acts, statutes, ordinances, codes, regulations, mandates, policies, et cetera—and enforce them under false pretense or color of law. Congress would have to commit treason against The United States Constitution openly by overturning all legal precedents or federal case laws of the judiciary branch. Congress must breach the separation of powers and seize jurisdiction of the judiciary branch to establish cause for violating the supreme law of the land.
Any legislative body or unelected de facto bureaucracy—CIA, DOJ, FBI, FDA, CDC, DMV, et cetera—declares open war or treason against The Constitution with unconstitutional items of legislation. For in what section or clause of any law state or federal is giving Congress or any bureaucracy precedence legal, jurisdiction, and cause to violate rights unalienable, civil, constitutional and The Constitution?
"A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. . . [An] act of the Legislature repugnant to the Constitution is void" (Marbury v. Madison, 5 US 137, 177).
"An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; it affords no protection; it creates no office; it is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed" (Norton v. Shelby County, 118 US 425, 442).
"Undoubtedly, the State, when providing by legislation for the protection of the public health, the public morals, or the public safety, is subject to the paramount authority of the Constitution of the United States, and may not violate rights secured or guaranteed by that instrument, or interfere with the execution of the powered confided to the General Government" (Mugler v. Kansas, 123 US 623, 663).
The lack of FDA approval statement was a means to get to normies and a shortcut argument to refuse the jab.
It was never our "stance"on the matter
You are right. Words have power and we are always giving ours up.
Did you hear that Joe's mandate got BTFO?
Stop taking swigs of fake news. Any congressman who wants to preserve their political career will not sign on to make the mandates a law but I welcome them to try.
Go see a shrink. Truth is never a problem unless you are trying to conceal it.
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You don't know, do you? There are no existing COVID-19 vaxxines that are approved..... they are all experimental falling under EAU. Comirnity is not available until 2023. It was all a head fake and CON, just as the two EOs and the OSHA emergency guidelines address ONLY federal employees and federal contractors. This is in my opinion an unconstitutional power grab, but these mandates do not cover private sector employers of 100 or more. It is yet another head fake and CON.
So your argument is based on an erroneous precept leading to a wrongful psyche of paranoia.
Thanks for the input! Sarcasm