When Q said it was going to be Biblical, I don’t think of that primarily in terms of scale. I think of it in terms of prophecy being fulfilled. It leads me to believe we are living in time when that is happening, and that prophecies are right now being fulfilled in ways that are quite different from what people have been taught to believe about them. For example, no one could have reconciled the many prophecies about the Messiah until they looked back at them in hindsight, even though they thought they had it pretty well worked out at the time. The prophets said the Messiah would come from Egypt, from Nazareth, and from Bethlehem, and only after His advent did people understand how those three things fit together without creating a paradox. The powers that did be at the time completely rejected Him because He didn’t fit into the box they made from their interpretations of prophecy (the conquering hero), even though He was fulfilling prophecy by doing unprecedented miracles right in front of their eyes. The same sort of interpretive box-making is still going on today, in precious doctrines of men people think are the doctrines of God, and neither will they see it when prophecy begins to unfold all around them.
In light of all that, I think it would be good to consider how the following prophecies might relate to current events:
(Psalm 2: 1-6, NKJV) Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, “Let us break their bonds in pieces And cast away their cords from us.” He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure: “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”
(Isaiah 24:21-22, NKJV) It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth. They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished.
(Revelation 18:1-3) After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”
(Revelation 18:7-8, NKJV) In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.
I realize am presenting these scriptures out of context, to which some might rightly object; but even though I am a great fan of context, there is much that can be inferred in these sections of texts. I only present them here for consideration in light of world events and in light of what we know has been happening behind what we can see. We know what Babylon is. We know that God is taking it down. We know that the great ones of the earth have conspired to drive God out of the consciousness of mankind. We know they are facing punishment for their crimes. And, we know that God has already won the war before they ever picked up a sword.
Free note: In Psalm 2, “Yet I have set My King on my holy hill of Zion.” “My King,” is Jesus. Zion is the hill of King David’s city where the king’s palace was and where the Temple of God would be erected by his son. This is a metaphor declaring that God has complete and utter control in spite of whatever his enemies might plot against Him.
I have come to the same conclusion. We were always taught that we would suffer for Christ and many of us have. I believe the Lord is going to reveal their plots and we are going to witness His mighty wrath towards those who follow satan. Will we have a new heaven and a new earth afterwards? That is my wish.
Mine too.
Ditto!
Some time in the future...Just not this time.
Glad you posted. I’ve been led by the Holy Spirit in this direction. Praise be to God! Whose Wisdom supremely exceeds man! Why does He tell us to Seek Him with all our heart? Because we are so easily led astray! He is so Good and reveals hidden mysteries and treasures to us when we are obedient, put Him FIRST in ALL circumstances! Find Christ and be freed from bondage! Glory Be To God in the Highest!
At this point, I have two predictions for the future.
1: The Rapture.
Or
2: The Great Awakening
I think with either option, there would be a great awakening.
Isn't the rapture sort of unscriptural?
Have heard it said that it's Christian "wishful thinking" that some of the army of God will get pulled before the tribulation
Yes, it’s not actually in the Bible. Just something I grew up hearing a lot from my parents (and still do). And to be completely honest, I didn’t realize it wasn’t in the Bible - so thank you for that. Now I do believe that the Bible discusses a second coming of Christ.
Honestly, how accurate are the Bible’s we are reading nowadays? I do wonder if anything has been omitted or altered over the centuries.
^^^ This ^^^
Given the context of the Second Coming, there will be a resurrection of the righteous, followed by those left alive being "caught up" and transformed. Then a resurrection of the wicked after that.
No "Rapture", no second chances to be saved after His return. That's it, the wheat and chaff have been separated, no more "chances".
I asked a similar question on here and got some interesting responses you might want to check out.
Also pro tip for any of you pedes who struggle to find info you've commented about previously put:
into booble
Perhaps people who run the board don't want this place indexed, but it's helped me a ton since I usually repost relevant comments into more current threads.
Thank you! I’ve been wondering how to do exactly this.
THANK YOU. I tried this on DuckDuckGo and it worked great. You can also search for your username and it returns your posts.
Awesome.
Nice didn't think to try ddg. Wasn't sure it had the same capabilities as booble.
Oh, LOTS is not in the Bible lol. I have many books of non canonical Bible books.
Bible does say there will be a 2nd coming. And Jesus does mention a couple things like "two will be working and one taken," but maybe thats where rapture is conflated from
No conflation.
Two will be working and one will be taken.
Two will be honking and none will be taken.
So God let's His Word get distorted so we have no accurate translation?...Doubtful.
“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.” I Thessalonians 4:13-18 NKJV
But that's not the same as the rapture where people are left behind to my understanding
Only the dead "in Christ or Messiah" and believers (otherwise known as saints) will be "caught up". All non-believers will be left behind. Hence, the name of the movie Nicholas Cage was in.
This.
As a kid I remember being afraid it might happen before I got to do any of the fun stuff in life...
As an adult I'm like "any day now Lord would be GREAT."
yea, I knew I had enough when I was hoping, almost praying for benign aliens to come to earth and do a scorched earth sort of thing.
Trillions of people never heard of Jesus..but you think none of them go to heaven because they haven't got a ticket saying Jesus sent me? Do you think a loving God would do that? And if it was the other sort of God it wouldn't be a heaven I want to be in. Remember a lot got distorted by evilnpriests to keep you on side
You need to read about love..it's qualities and it's attributes.
You are only talking about this life...we have many lives....but you don't know about that because it was taken out to stop people learning a very important truth....know thyself....
You have no idea how that sentence sounds...if god wants.....
Many gods and humans who declared themselves god have existed...I don't think the god you talk about is one I want to spent time with..sounds like a petulant child
Kind of you to reply. I don't know who is telling you the bible hasn't changed.....tube Vatican ordered a clean up and when after much labour over many years Biglianos new bible didn't fit the popes agenda. However Bigliano has talked about his work.
Holy means whole...and if you read the definition of love in the Bible you will see the god they talk about ..this Jehova..a god who punishes...is jealous..an eye for an eye doesn't fit the description of someone whole...a vengeful angry god....
Nor do I understand that a god of love who had reached a state of wholeness would want any of his children ..as it says we are all sons of God.....to die a horrible death so others didn't have to do the work to become whole..as if anyone else but yourself can do the work. Jesus says in the gospels yea are all god's...in the lost gospels that were removed due to being too explicit Jesus says if thine I be single thy body shall be full of light....the pineal gland...
Now I have no idea if Jesus existed as a person or as just the latest sun god after mithras..a pagan religion......as everything is the same apart from the name...another who was the lamb of God died for ours sins rose again on the third day etc etc....a blood sacrifice demanded by a father ..for what? The meaning of sin is missing the mark..and yes you are right repent means change your attitude...
Mark passio is very good .. give him a watch.
I don't know why you have the impression I am not a spiritual being working on myself.
When you say God says in the Bible...you mean someone...possibly with an evil agenda ..says. God has written nothing and there is nothing worse than hear people say God says ...when they are referring to their own egos.
I don't have any truck with a god that makes his own son...or so we are told he said...make his son die a horrible death...for what...other people's sin..eg missing the mark...I neither believe the story or the god..
End of debate
That's always been my impression as well, though I'm not an expert on Revelations.
Well obviously, you put an S on the end. Just kidding with ya, it’s a common error.
The rapture is an eschatological ideal that was popularized by the Scofield reference Bible a couple of hundred years ago. It's not what Christians traditionally believed for thousands of years.
There is no rapture. In the end times it will be like in the days of Noah where the WICKED are swept away and those in Christ (our ark) are saved and the wicked are burnt like chaff from the wheat.
Here's a playlist I've put together with the 3 maim eschatological positions discussed and debated.
God wins. He doesn't hit a reset button.
God's fav Bible verse (appears more times than any other in scripture): "Sit at My right hand while I make ALL of Your enemies Your footstool" God the Father to Jesus
The "rapture" is heretical nonsense. Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about the rapture. It says the evil ones will be taken first and cast into eternal fire and damnation... The movie Taken and the novels about the rapture are heresy... Orthodox Christian Teaching on the Rapture: Is the Rapture in the Bible? Question: A friend of mine has been reading the Left Behind books that have all of this stuff about the “Rapture” in them. Is there really going to be a “Rapture” like these books talk about?
Answer: No. The “Rapture” refers to a passage in First Thessalonians 4, where Christians are “caught up” in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.” Many Christians believe, and the Left Behind books promote, that this being “caught up” to meet the Lord will occur before the Great Tribulation sometime in the near future. Christians will simply vanish, meet Jesus somewhere in the air, and then return with Him to Heaven to await the end of time.
But notice, in verse 15, Paul says that “…we who are alive, who are left,” shall be caught up. This is a very important point to stress to rapture enthusiasts. Those who are “left” get caught up to meet the Lord. Keep that in mind as we look at these next couple of Scripture passages.
The Left Behind books get their name from a passage in Luke 17, and a similar passage in Matthew 24, which compares the coming of the Lord to the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Matthew 24 puts it this way: “As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man…[they ate, they drank, they married] and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man. Then two men will be in the field, one is taken and one is left. Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken one is left.”
“One is taken, one is left” — the Rapture right? Jesus takes the Christians and leaves behind non-Christians!
That’s how rapture enthusiasts interpret these passages. Well, you need to say to them: “Not so fast, folks.” Two problems with the Protestant “Left Behind” interpretation: First, in the passages from Luke 17 and Matthew 24, Jesus’ coming is compared to the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Let’s think about that for a moment. After the flood, who was left? Noah and his family — the good guys. The bad guys were taken and the good guys were left behind! After Sodom and Gomorrah went up in smoke, who was left? Lot and his daughters — the good guys. The bad guys were taken and the good guys were left behind!
The second problem with the “Left Behind” interpretation, has to do with what I mentioned above: 1 Thessalonians 4 says that those who are “left” get to meet Jesus in the air. You want to be left behind. Why? Because those who are left behind get to meet Jesus on His return to earth. Again, when you put 1 Thessalonians 4 together with Matthew 24 and Luke 17, it becomes quite apparent that the good guys are the ones left behind to meet Jesus.
And, if you need further proof of that, there’s a passage in Matthew 13 that pretty much seals the deal. Matthew 13:39-43, “…and the enemy who sowed them [the bad seed] is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of man will send His angels and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.”
So when Scripture says that “one is taken and one is left,” as it does in Luke 17 and Matthew 24, it is not talking about the Rapture, it is talking about the harvest at the close of the age. The ones who are taken, as it says in Matthew 13, are the evildoers. The angels have taken them and tossed them into the furnace of fire. So, the Left Behind books got it exactly 180 degrees wrong. The ones taken are not the good guys, they are the evildoers. The ones who are left behind are the ones who get to be caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air at His Second Coming, when He will bring all of the angels and saints with Him and there will be a new Heaven and a new earth.
In other words, there will be no Rapture like the one the Left Behind books talk about. The Left Behind books teach the opposite of what Scripture actually says.
Additional comments: The real issue (not often clear in people’s minds) is not the idea of a rapture (Christians being taken up or ‘translated’ to be with the Lord) but rather the timing of the rapture in relation to the Lord’s second coming. The controversial (and quite obviously erroneous) idea is what is called the pre- or mid- tribulation rapture. The effect of this non-biblical idea is that at some point before “the end of the age” (before the Lord’s second coming), Christians would disappear from the world, leaving behind a lot of people who would then face the awful years of the tribulation. This is well expressed in the bumper sticker:
This idea, however, is neither biblical nor credible. The idea that not just many cars but also jetliners would be left without drivers and pilots is simply beyond credibility, and by no means called for by a sound reading of the Bible.
Perhaps the most compelling argument against the pre/mid tribulation rapture theory is that no Christian believed it or even knew about it for the first 1800 years of Christianity. When it comes to Christianity, the “faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3), there is simple rule: “if its new, it just can’t be true!”
Many thanks for this.
Matthew 13:39-43, “…and the enemy who sowed them [the bad seed] is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of man will send His angels and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.”
If you swap angels for vaccines (they are treated as angels of perfect good) you get an interesting reading.
Interesting thought...
I appreciate your theory and the context to support! The Left Behind movie and books definitely implanted some false ideas in people’s heads. I remember seeing the movie when I was young, being blown away. And my family has always talked about Jesus’s second coming, but also mention the rapture. I’ll do some deeper reading and have a great discussion with my family. Thanks anon!
It's my pleasure... I only want to enlighten people to the truth about our Lord and Savior... I can't take credit for this because it was my brother that pointed it out to me... God Bless you and your family and all Anons... 🙏🙏🙏
Admit: I've never seen the movie or read the books.
That said, the RAPTURE is actually a very dangerous lie. It implies (in most but not all cases) that those who are "left behind" can possibly live through the "time of trouble" and come out the other side with ANOTHER CHANCE at Salvation.
This is a Satanic lie meant to keep believers living in sin with the idea that they will get another chance to be saved. Quite sinister if you ask me.
I agree. There is no such thing as a rapture. The story how and why most evangelical Christians believe in the rapture is very well explained here:
https://www.trunews.com/stream/rapture-quiz-how-many-times-does-jesus-return-in-the-second-coming
A loving God will accept ALL genuinely repentant souls, no matter the time or place... being "caught up" to me means true freedom of the soul with no worries or fear..
So do you believe in an everlasting burning hell???
I'll wait.
For unrepentant nasty critters like Fauci, yep... TBS, hell is not out of bounds to spirit beings to go to rescue souls.. Compassion conquers all..
Respectfully, that's a cop out. Do you believe that a sinner at judgement is condemed to an everlasting punishment - no matter the sin?
Or the delusion is the Rapture. Just sayin' fren.
I see it the opposite. Not believing in a pre tribulation rapture prevents Christians from sharing about their blessed hope and keeps them sinning longer vs looking up for their redemption and spreading the Gospel. People can still be saved during tribulation but it becomes a works gospel similar to Adam and Eve whose work was to not eat the fruit. During tribulation new believers (saints) will have to not take the mark. I believe in pre tribulation and it sounds like most here don’t. Don’t take either our words for it and watch some debates, some good Bible prophecy teachers, and make your own decision. Just an FYI Jesus doesn’t return to the earth and only to the clouds so yes there is still only one second coming.
Agree to disagree. I believe scriptures support my viewpoint religious traditions not withstandind.
The meek shall inherit the earth ...
Amen...
I saved your analysis in one of my folders. Interesting and plausible perspective.
Thank you, I believe it's pretty accurate when you actually think about it... Peace Fren... 🙏🙏🙏
Nice cut and paste job, at least it comes from more than 1 site.
What do YOU think though? In your own words please
I believe the bible... The Eastern Orthodox bible which is where these scriptures are written... How can anyone not believe the words of the prophets and Christ's disciples??? God's blessings to you Fren... 🙏🙏🙏
I feel that the Q team has direct communications with angels. I think that is how they’ve been so accurate with the predictions. I feel like the angels are gearing us up for the most epic battle the world has ever seen. The battle of Heaven vs. Hell
That idea is not that far off
I don't think there is no "Rapture" like what the traditions of men speak of. I believe it's fake and false teaching. Lucifer would love for people to believe that if they don't make the "rapture" they get a second chance. That just is not the case and can lead people to embrace evil with the hope of a second chance.
There IS a resurrection of the righteous, a resurrection of the wicked, and those left (alive) will be caught up in the air and transformed (new body).
The "traditional" rapture misspeaks about this and claims that those who are "saved" will be "raptured" - hanging out in Heaven - while the Tribulation happens on Earth. This "belief" flies in the face of the scripture.
That's how I see/read it.
Thank you for this.
Reset, revolution, revival, rapture.
Thanks for sharing this interesting reflection. It surely rings bells.🤗
I really thank you for telling us this. We need people like you to help us understand more the Bible. Thank you God for everything you give us. God bless.
HIGH EFFORT, HIGH ENERGY! Wow, OP. This clearly took days or even weeks to put together so well, and I've honestly never felt more honoured to sticky a post than this one. God bless you, that was inspirational.
Agree, thank you OP. 👍👍
It actually took me about an hour. I've been thinking about these things a long time.
P.S. I missed the sticky, being away for a time taking care of business. I would have liked to have seen that.
Life comes at you fast, frog! 🐸
I too have considered the what if both sides are evil with intent to lead us from the current known evil into a yet unknown evil.
Ultimately, I determined that it would be sinful to willfully ignore the known evil in our midst to pursue the status quo. The scripture teaching which I lean on in this case are:
James 4:17 "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." -- if we know this evil is happening and see do not deal with it then we become accessories to the evil that we allow to continue.
Deuteronomy 21:1-9. -- basically this reinforces that God intends that his people be stewards of justice in the lands/nation he has provided them. So the Israelites were specifically instructed to not ignore clear sin/evil in their midst (in this case an unsolved murder). Implicitly, the scripture indicates they are to try to determine who is responsible, but if it cannot be determined, the leaders in the nearest community (city) to the incident must sacrifice an (unworked) heifer by taking it to a stream breaking its neck and symbolically washing their hands in the stream over the dead beast while testifying before God they did not murder the man and were unable to determine who was responsible. Now I'm not saying we must live by the law of the Old Testament, but I do say Christ fulfilled the law and showed us the law was given from the Father. Therefore the intention behind the law is from the same Father whom Jesus advised he was following and that intent to be righteous still stands as we are to follow Jesus who follows The Father. Bottom line I take this passage as a lesson to us that evil in our midst cannot be ignored and that we should seek to remove it when it is found.
Matthew 5: 13-18 -- this passage deals specifically with being the salt of the earth and identifies if that salt loses it's savior it is good for nothing and is trodden into the ground underfoot. Additionally the passage discusses being the light of the world and not hiding your light from the world but shining forth in good works that glorify God the Father. Finally Jesus explains his purpose in fulfilling the law.
So bringing these passages together and taking into account other passages which warn against Israel allowing evil to remain in their midst, I conclude that the evil that is known (crimes against children, women, and humanity itself) must not be ignored lest we open ourselves as Christians to receiving the judgements on this earth (ie our nation and our people) that God allows when evil goes unchecked. We may not suffer the final judgement of hell as believers in Christ (although I will point out believers would follow Christ teaching, so for a group of professing believers to show no sign of actually following Christ teaching is itself a concerning predicament and brings to mind the church described as laodicea in Revelation - a topic for another day perhaps), but we will suffer in this life the earthly consequences of the sins which we did not stand against in our midst.
When we remove the current evil leaders and rulers and their masters hiding in the shadows who partake in human trafficking, blackmail, rape, torture, human sacrifice, genocide, and murder: if it does turn out that we realize the group replacing that old guard of evil leaders is also partaking in their own evil and intends to lead the people away from Jesus and away from God, then we again should rally to yet another coarse correction while steadfastly praying that God will be merciful upon us and our people to allow us to succeed inn removing the evil leaders again and to grant us leaders who are God Fearing whom follow Jesus teaching in spirit and truth.
It is my contention that most of the book of Revelation is written in dream language, AKA, a language of symbols, and we see that when the angel interprets some things for John. I think much of it has been historically fulfilled. Remember that the Lord told John that these things would shortly begin to come to pass. The futurist interpretation that puts all of it in future to occur in only 7 years is an error that comes of a misinterpretation of the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9, where for no good reason they divide the prophecy about the Messiah concerning his 31/2 year ministry, his death, and 31/2 years of ministry to the Jews before the gospel was given to the other nations. The first part of verse 27 is still speaking about the Messiah, although it is preceded and succeeded by prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem, which the Romans accomplished in 70 AD. As Jesus said, the generation he was speaking to didn't die out before that happened.
Personally, although I think it is the time of Babylon's destruction, I do not think it is the end when Satan is loosed for a short time to do as he wills. I think that once again the devil has jumped the gun, trying to bring on his world government before God allows it. I think he will once again be humiliated and that this time it will last for many generations. The third watch has 978 years to go. Jesus didn't come in the first watch or the second. He will come in this one, but I do not think people will be able to tell by the state of things when that will be. He said they would be saying peace and safety before sudden destruction comes upon them, and I haven't heard that in my lifetime.
I think that is a plausible argument. If you think about it, the futurist interpretation of Revelation, which no one believed or even heard until it was dug up in the last 150 years or so, is a picture of unavoidable doom. It took vast numbers of Christians out of the game, putting them in an unproductive defeatist attitude. After all, why resist evil if it is inevitable? This is God's will, and besides, He will helicopter us out of here before it all goes down. Jesus will rescue us, so instead of resisting evil, look to the sky for a rescue. Very clever.
There will be a rapture, but it will not be what they think. It will not be a rescue. The Greek word used to speak of the event is very specific. When a dignitary was approaching a city, the leading elders and officials would come out to meet him to escort him the rest of the way. That is what the Greek word, Parousia, actually means. Jesus is coming back for a spotless bride, a bride without spot of wrinkle. We are not there yet. A major cleanup needs to happen first. He is not going to be happy with a half-blind listless bride who comes hobbling out to meet Him in a dirty dress.
Consider also how they reinforce the fear of an apocalypse through popular culture and science. New ice age, no, wait, global warming, nuclear holocaust, aliens coming to destroy us in movies, world-ending disasters in movies, zombie pandemics in movies, endless predictions of horror on the news, gloom and doom and fear. The population was well prepared. What a perfect time to manipulate people when they already have this bug win their ear. It's hard to believe that a conspiracy could be that broad and interlaced, but it is, and it does indeed seem that they are trying to make it happen. Not this time, though. God has other plans, and although we are seeing prophecy happen before our eyes it is not the devil's day. The One who resists him is still in the earth and God's people are learning how they should walk and what kind of authority they have in Jesus to change things in His name.
Agree, but again I say, not this time. Too many are watching who know what to do. They are fighting the enemy with precision, and it is all being coordinated from heaven.
I put my hopium aside to take in that real hope. Thanks, OP.
I wish more of us would do this. I’ve worked with true drug addicts, and the similarities between them and hopium addicts is striking.
ah, that does fit nicely. Esp. "drunk with the blood...." because that is specifically a response one does not see so much in wanton murder, but has been described in the consumption of adeno
Interesting idea.
Brainstorming -- is the beast the collective of all sentient beings?
And the harlot (Babylon cabal) sits on the beast and drinks its blood, preventing the beast from arising and transforming into its spiritual nature.
Thanks for posting! Especially, bringing to mind Isaiah 24:21-22. Do you think Isaiah 24:21-22 and Psalm 82:6-7 are talking about the same thing?
That is interesting. I have to think about it.
Revelations 9-13,14 speaks about the sixth angel and the Euphrates river. Some Bible scholars have mentioned about when the river dries up as the sixth angel pours upon it. And if you look up info about the Euphrates river, it’s now in danger of drying up. Just interesting.
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Amen, and thanks for sharing. It’s important to understand that many prophecies in Scripture are also cyclical - meaning over the centuries they can be applicable to many different events. This is because the Word of God is a living Word - it is as relevant today, in its entirety, as it was when it was written because the Author is out of time, and sees and knows all things. That is how we can have assurance, as you said, that the battle was won before the enemy even picked up his sword. Just like the demons who stirred up an angry sea to try to destroy Jesus and His disciples in Mark 5, we hear them screaming now, trying to drown out the prayers of God’s people. He hears us and tells us not to fear. In His time we will hear Him speak “Peace” and all will be well.
Hallelujah Brother!!
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I mean it’s crazy how the clown honk converted in to truck honks.
So well written. Thank you. You came up with the words I couldn't express. We stand in His Word and on The Rock.
The nations rage because evil likes to have its way. We have built a border of faith and love. Evil Cannot pass.
Thank you for posting this. There are times I am so full of strong feelings against the enemies of God and his children (us), that for my own spiritual health I need to remember he's got this. Totally got this.
What a delightful post. Thank you!
Psalm 37 is one of my favorites - that one might also be prophetic? "Fret not thyself because of evildoers...."
Yes, I think so, but this psalm is also full of promises upon which we may hang our faith. We must understand that the New Covenant is not like the old national covenant with the Jews (the Law of Moses) and doesn't resemble it. The new covenant doesn't operate like the law in any way. It operates like God's covenant with Abraham, which is by faith. Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness. We receive things from God because we believe He will give them to us. Jesus didn't just heal righteous people who came to him. But he healed everyone who had the faith to receive it from Him, and He commended many for having it, even going so far as to say, your faith has made you whole.
Jeremiah prophesied about what the new covenant would be like:
“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
The new covenant operates an continues by faith. Peter said it was by the promises of God that we partake of divine nature and escape the corruption of the world (2 Peter 1:4). Paul said all promises of God are all yes and Amen to us (2 Cor. 1:20). All means all, and that includes the promises He made in the Old Testament. Jesus fulfilled the law, becoming the ultimate sacrifice, and its operation is no longer necessary in the life of a believer. Paul rebuked the Galatians for thinking they had to obey a commandment of the law, just one, mind you, to secure their membership in the new covenant (entire book of Galatians). It was a compromise that was going backwards, and he said it would make grace unavailable to them because they were trying to obtain it the wrong way.
Sorry to go on about this when your question required only a simple answer, but it's a pet peeve of mine. I struggled so many years with condemnation until I realized it all came from the law having infected Christian teaching. The law is good for providing a picture of what righteousness looks like, but you don't get anywhere expecting it to operate in your life to bring condemnation and curses upon you for mistakes and failures. The only way to have true victory over sin and failure is to throw all that away and grab hold of the grace of God, which He gives freely in Christ (Hebrews 4:16). Understand me, I am not saying grace is a license to sin. I am saying it is the way out of it. It is looking up to bright possibilities with God and not inwards to become fixed upon personal failures and trying to compensate. In Christ we can expect the endless goodness of God, not an endless struggle with a God who is hard to get along with.
Please forgive me for my long-winded digression from your point, dear friend.
No worries about the reply. I liked it. Remembering that we are saved by grace is always a good thing, because condemnation comes at us from every angle sometimes.
its time i ordered a trumpet.
Matthew 24
It’s going to be biblical because these times will be written as a teaching tool as part of the bible.
Well, traditionally, there is only ONE Nation that can be called ""Queen"", as it is the only Nation that goes according to the Female Blood Line, and not the Male Bloodline......
Israel....
This is the only possible translation I can connect to these writings....
Most of the great prophets prophecy has been fulfilled or is being fulfilled.
777 = seven seals, seven trumpets and seven golden vials = End of prophecy and this is why number 777 represent our new age
This would be my interpretation of them esoterically:
Psalm 2 1-6 - the DS cabal (WEF, Bilderberg group, all those fun people) get together and try to manifest their own "Zion", but the Lord will have his kingdom (people metaphorically) rising against them. They mock the Lord in heaven because they have so much material power over people and don't think they can be defeated
Isaiah 24 21-22 - DS facing gitmo/nuremberg trials. I hope for this one but it hasn't come to pass yet.
Revelation 18 1-3 - I wouldnt go as far as to say Trump is the angel in reference, but babylon is obvious (the five eyes nations basically plus maybe a few more, with the emphasis mainly on the USA, not surprising). It's possibly intending the whole world as it is now. We removed God from society and we have created literal hell. The angel could be the spiritual presence of God collectively, its closer to a Q type awakening reference then one single person.
Revelation 18 7-8 - queen elizabeth? Again still not exactly convinced it's one person, but it's a lot closer than the previous verse. I would say this is the wives of powerful men collectively (aha, another Q reference), because of the secrets they know but don't do the right thing and speak out. They are more interested in power than humanity and what it results in are human atrocities beyond belief
There's also one about the fallen ones who destroyed cities.
Thanks for putting this together - good post to ponder
Great post!
Lots of conversation in this thread about the RAPTURE...
Let me explain it this way: The Rapture theory is "mostly peaceful", "safe and effective", and the "most secure" rapture in history. Get it now?
Theology / eschatology (Study of end times) guy here:
The verses in Revelation were about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD when Rome (7 heads / horns = 7 hills / governors) surrounded her (then left for a few days before coming back which is when the Christians fled) and killed everyone and Jesus came on the clouds in judgment. The temple was destroyed. Only the Christians escaped. That's what Jesus meant when He said "This generation shall not pass till all these things take place:
I dont know what Babylon is
Go watch "The Fall of the Cabal" on Bitchute or Rumble. You'll get a pretty good idea.
Reminder:
Pray as if all depends on God.
Work as if all depends on you.
Citations required.
The Jews of antiquity didn't look at prophecy quite the way we do. They saw the meaning in it differently. Egypt - Hosea 11:1, referenced in Matthew 2:15 as speaking of Jesus. Nazareth - referenced in Matthew 2:23, is not from any particular prophecy but may be by inference from various prophecies saying the Messiah would be despised. Bethlehem - Micah 5:2, referenced in Matthew 2:6, a solid prediction about where Messiah would be born.
That's a whimsical argument. If they would have viewed it like you claim, they would have all mass converted to Christianity, but they didn't. The other gospels don't make these claims either.
Actual text: Hosea 11:1-3: "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and from Egypt I called to my son. They were called, yet they went from their face; they sacrificed unto the Baalim, and offered to graven images. And I taught Ephraim to walk, taking them by their arms; but they didn't know that I healed them..."
Pray tell how do you understand this to be talking about a Messiah? This is chastising the people of Israel for worshiping other things, after God took them out of Egypt and raised them up.
Citation needed.
Solid isn't the word I'd use.
"And you Bethlehem of Ephratha, small among the thousands of Judah, from you there will be my ruler of Israel, his lineage from earlier days."
You can understand this as either the Messiah is from Bethlehem, or that the Messiah is from David who was from Bethlehem. It's certainly not "solid" that the Messiah must be from Bethlehem, as being descendant from David would fit the requirement.
That was quick. Were you just waiting around for my answer? First quote: you make an assumption to prove your point, which is intellectually lazy and too ridiculous to answer. Second quote: I know this text and what it speaks of. Matthew, who knew Jesus, referred to this text as being (also) a reference to the Messiah, and I think you should trust him, even if it seems like he is plucking out a portion to prove his point. It also supports my point about how spiritual Jews in his time handled prophecy differently from our modern linear intellectual approach. Third quote: I have given you enough citations. Your unkind prideful insulting tone tells me you are not looking to engage in a civil discussion of ideas but looking for things to shoot me down, and I will not give you any more ammunition. If it bothers you that much, go study the Bible for yourself. Fourth quote: I would counsel you not to try to handle spiritual things like prophecy with only your intellect. It is an insufficient tool. Jesus rebuked his disciples when they got offended with his words doing just that. But I will say this: when the magi came before Herod to find the birthplace of the Messiah, the Jewish scribes searching the matter told him unequivocally that it was Bethlehem, and Micah 5:2 was the scripture that would have led them to say that.
This is as far as I wish to pursue this discussion because it is obvious where you would lead it, but apart from that, I would counsel you to learn to be kind. Learn how to defend your own dignity by defending the dignity of your opponent. It is a lie that you have to prove yourself superior to be loved. Having your self-esteem depend upon the humiliation of others is bad enough, but trying to make their humiliation happen through our own actions and words will not bring the result you are hoping for. It will win you no one's esteem in the end.
No, I actually just happened to long in a minute or two after you responded, and saw I had a new reply waiting.
You really studied Micah?
Also, Christian scholars today agree that the book of Matthew was not necessarily written by anyone named Matthew, and was probably written a good 50 years after the events depicted: https://evidenceforchristianity.org/did-the-apostle-matthew-write-the-gospel-of-matthew-and-when-can-we-assert-he-wrote-it/
Seeing that most of the so-called fulfillment prophecies quote phantom verses, or seem to butcher earlier texts, why should I trust this book? If you studied the earlier prophets, this would become quite apparent. The other Gospels do not make all these claims. Being that Matthew is the oddity here, why should I take this as reference for anything that was understood at the time?
You last sentence is actually the point I'm making. I have studied the Bible for myself. I cannot find any "prophecies saying the Messiah would be despised" in the Old Testament. I can only imagine people who never studied the Old Testament would believe this. My fervent wish is that more people would study the whole Bible.
According to this logic, the Prophets should have kept their mouths shut because no one could understand them. On the contrary, my belief is that the Prophets spoke to the common man in their day, and the common man understood what they had to say. Otherwise, why would Jeremiah orate everyday in the marketplace?
You're trying to defend the book of Matthew by quoting other evidence invented by the book of Matthew. The other Gospels do not have the magi asking Herod to find the birthplace of the Messiah. The story is also somewhat nonsensical, because if the magi are following the star (whatever that means), why bother asking Herod anything? Just keep following the star. As I said earlier though, Micah 5 could indicate that the Messiah should also be born in Bethlehem, but it does not necessarily mean that, as it could mean his royal lineage began in Bethlehem.
Isaiah 53:3
He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
Apparently, you didn’t study all of the Bible.
Christian scholars today agree. Really? You say something like that here? And, don’t talk to me about logic when you keep using straw man arguments to prove your points.
It seems your only purpose to try to tear down my faith and discredit every single thing I say. Just stop. I'm not impressed, and I will no longer respond to you. Go troll somebody else with your learned unbelief.
What indication do you have that Isaiah here is talking about any Messiah? If you would read the chapters leading up to it, it would be clear that it isn't.
However, just notice the verse prior:
Isaiah 53:2: "He rose like a sapling, like a root out of parched earth, he had no form, no beauty, his appearance was no appearance to enjoy"
Do you believe that Jesus was an ugly individual that no one wanted to look at? That's surely not how he's depicted in all the artwork of him. If Christians honestly thought Isaiah 53 referred to Jesus, all artwork of him would show a hideous creature.
Isaiah 53:10: "God wanted to crush him, with sickness, so that he would place restitution for his soul, so his offspring could extend his day, the will of God would succeed in his hand."
Was Jesus a sickly individual? Did he have offspring?
I'm only trying to tear down your mistaken trust in Matthew. You cannot honestly told me you learned Isaiah in full, and the works of the other prophets. If you did, you would chuck Matthew out the window for making a mockery of them.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-2/
I think you missed the point. The thread author said there are 3 prophesies about the Messiah, one saying he we be born in Egypt, one in Nazareth, and one in Bethlehem, and for a long time, no one understood who this was, it only made sense afterwards. If that's the case, please point out three such sources that were written prior to the birth of Jesus.
Matthew was written afterwards, and therefore cannot be a source of confusion regarding three places the Messiah should be born. Please point out three texts prior to Jesus that indicate these three places.
Better. Thank you. Sorry for taking so long to reply. I have other things I must do apart from hanging out here.
You want concrete examples, and I can appreciate that, but I can give you none. The language of prophecy its largely poetic and obscure. You have to dig to find meaning, and I think Q must have taken a (forgive me) cue from the prophets. I have long thought about this, and it seems to me that it is deliberate on God's part to be coy. In most cases He lets us know what will happen without really saying it outright or giving exact dates, and I think it is for the reason of hiding His plans from the devil in plain sight. Mankind is the focus of a war between good and evil that has been going on for millennia, and it would makes sense for God to do that. In cases where He tells us plainly, I think it's because it won't matter what the devil knows about it. On this point, I think it's interesting that for almost 2 years Satan didn't seem to know that Jesus was in Bethlehem. The devil seemed to find out only when Herod got wind of it from the visiting magi, because only then did he make a futile effort to destroy Him.
If it turns out that I am mistaken on the point you mention, it doesn't negate my general argument. There are enough seemingly contradictory prophecies to make my point many times over. If I find out I'm wrong, it isn't so bad. I have been wrong before and I will likely be wrong again on some point as I continued to search for the truth. So, so what? We see through a glass darkly, and I think that is also by design.
I'm sorry I couldn't satisfy you. Your determination to push me for evidence that will support my 3-origin Messiah contention is impressive, and I commend you for that. For me, the testimony of someone who was trained by Jesus Himself is enough to begin with, but if it is not enough for you, perhaps you should search the matter out yourself. Who knows? Maybe you are the one who will find the answers that will put the entire question to rest once and for all. (I am not the only one who holds that view.)
In the meantime, peace to you. May all good things come your way to make you happy. I believe that will happen, even without proof because I think God loves you and wants to give you that.
Micah 5:2, Hosea 11:1, Isaiah 11:1
Hosea 11:1-3: "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and from Egypt I called to my son. They were called, yet they went from their face; they sacrificed unto the Baalim, and offered to graven images. And I taught Ephraim to walk, taking them by their arms; but they didn't know that I healed them..."
Nothing here is talking about a Messiah. This is chastising the people of Israel for worshiping other things, after God took them out of Egypt and raised them up.
Isaiah 11:1: "And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a twig shall grow forth out of his roots."
Nothing here is talking about a city. What is seen here is multiple tree-related metaphors. No one would be looking at all these tree metaphors and saying to themselves, "oh, how can the Messiah come from each of these places?"