She is parroting MSM talking points, like they all do. Unfortunately, no amount of evidence will turn her. It's just a time game now. In time, she will learn that everything you told her is the truth.
Tell her what Q is. It's the biggest military intelligence/psychological operation in history. Ask her if she's read a single Q drop. Show her the drops.
She's in absolutely no position to criticize. She has no idea what she's talking about. Tell her so.
No, she needs to read ALL of them, for herself. If she comes to the conclusion that you are right wing extremist and this movement is a cult after reading the Q drops, well, your mom's a f****** idiot.
Yup emotional and angry- yet at the root of it all- they are all cowards. They’re scared and lack the confidence to believe in and think for themselves so they lash out at those who do. Comical that she told him to ‘think for himself’ when she’s literally just a mockingbird. Bc they are emotional cowards tho, they can be swayed, or at least rebuffed by flipping that script. Make them uncomfortable, make them defend their points and stances, make them bring the sauce or gtfo. At a minimum they’ll shut their mouths and watch their tongues in order to avoid any more cognitive dissonance.
I agree but I don’t bother anymore. I don’t care if they wake up or die from the jab, either way they are out of my way then. I don’t have patience for these people anymore.
Totally with you there fren. Zero patience. I’ve tried with so many. And I’ll be open to anyone genuine. But I’m done trying to convert or awaken. Waste of breath. Not giving af, and ridiculing is more effective and more fun anyways. Just gonna do my best to watch out for me and my own and take it from there.
The ones around here have no fight in them, I bring up the shit their side has been up to and they barely try to defend it. Many of them know that they fucked up even if they won't admit it.
Agreed. Brainwaahing is a terrible desease.. LOL We have different methods 🤔 on how to treat the blithering idiots who refuse to accept truths... some like delivering gut wrenching brute and blunt descriptors for describing levels of intelligence, and others prefer a more (dare i say this in todays world??) 🤫gentleman's approach with less severe but often more tactically cutting and demeaning words first. Should the tactical verbal insults fail to reach the dullards mental faculties, then by all means resort to the gut wrenchers!! I prefer initial zingers delivered and/or follow up with a baseball bat, if needed. LOL Stay safe fren. WWG1WGA
You pushed too hard when you should not begin with Q,but with things happening already and then Q drops.Or maybe without Q drops even then.
Show Ohio materials to your mother and start asking why media are COVERING THIS. Show her thing about NordStream. FTX next. maybe even Hunter Laptop things soon. Or gas prices maybe. Not Q. Not Q now.Patience,patience,patience. I know how hard it is,especially as I would like to see all cabal jailed and hanged already. But: patience,patience,patience.
Deprogramming is slow process with no guarantee of success.It requires PATIENCE. Be Patient and do your job fren.Little by little does the trick. Or like we say in Poland : "the drop drills the rock"
Many people can't make heads or tails of the Q drops, many of which are coded and confusing. In addition, normies think they're the nonsensical ramblings of a nut. We'll never redpill skeptics by insisting that they read all the Q drops. It's better to pick a few Q drops on topics you know the person is interested in and explain and interpret them, tying them to real world events.
Instead of Q drops, maybe show her some comments from anons on here like how we're all anti-vaxxx bc we used research and common sense to deny the jab bc it wasn't adequately tested nor proven effective. Something as simple as that proves we're not a "hate group". How is that in any way radical???!?!
You have to react with incredulity to these people, like it's simply bewildering to you that they could possibly hold this position.
This is my advice for normies you run across, you may wish to play it differently with your mom. Good luck, might be best to just ignore for now and wait and hope.
The bewildering works! I swear it makes the normies respect your credibility a bit more. Gotta be because of their appeal to authority training and peer pressure/ herd mentality.
Don't try to hard. Just ignore her on the Q stuff. I don't try to convince anyone of Q . I just red pill them on what's going on. That's all we need to do, they can find out about Q on their own.
Nothing in the Q drops says we're have to convince people of Q. It makes it harder,if you talk a about Q and gives people a way to reject everything you say.
Use the Fight Club rule: Don't talk to normies about Q. Q is the cultivation of every real conspiracy over the years - the end result. You can't understand Q if you don't understand JFK, 9/11, Obama, Russia Russia Russia, Media vs Trump, Pizzagate/Epstein, Clinton Suicides, etc.
If they haven't come to the conclusion of all those topics, don't even mention Q, it's useless.
Mom: "It’s a right wing extremest group that breeds nothing but hate. Stop following the sheep of this cult and do a little free thinking for yourself. It’s a hate group. Why don’t you look for the good in others and the world rather than everything negative. It might enlighten you"
Me: "That's extremely ironic considering you are simply parroting what you hear on your favorite News Channel. Talk about not thinking for yourself!"
That's what I said to my uncle when he was parroting some crap. "Are you going to parrot any more of what the newsman told you to think or should I save some time and predict the next five things you're going to say?" That at least shocked him into shutting up.
the correct answer would be "there is no such thing as a group called qanon, that is a media consipracy, there is a ton of people who follow the military who posted as the letter Q who does research"
This. Tell her you will quit if she provides proof that it is a hate group.
Not some fake news items or democrat talking head just stating it. You want actual proof.
The. She can tell all her Facebook friends (bots +fbi) that she saved you from those evil anons.
Almost 5,000 posts by Q, so surely she should be able to find at least a few that substantiate her claims.
The part about Q being a cult always cracks me up. Q asks questions, or gives vague clues, which encourages anons TO DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH. Conversely, the media tells people what to think, and to not question what they’re told to believe. Which of those two sounds more like a cult?
If you care about your relationship with your mother (I would. Blood is everything in this world), you may need to invest some time in red pilling. She has a false idea of what Qanon is because she's only heard the demonized version of it. She doesn't believe your characterization.
You have to show her you're not extreme. You show her the facts and let the facts speak for themselves. All you can do is present the information from the best sources you can find.
Example: present Sy Hersch's article on the Nordstream pipeline attack (here). It's meticulous and written by a journalist with an impeccable reputation. She'll have a very tough time arguing with it because of who this man is and what he has done throughout his career. It's truth and she'll have to confront that.
Example 2: present the Cochrane Library's review on mask effectiveness (here). The Cochrane Library is an organization committed to accumulating and analyzing the length and breadth of medical literature. Its reputation is sterling and its quality of work is obvious. Everyone who writes for them is eminently qualified, attributed, and the work is top notch and peer-reviewed. They show conclusively that masks do not work and cite studies that show we've known that since early in the pandemic.
That's how you win. You simply show her what you're researching. Not everything. A ton of stuff posted her is low-quality BS or stupid memes. That convinces no one. It's fun sometimes and entertaining, but that's not going to change minds. Another thing to note. Don't interpret. Simply present the data. Let her form her own opinion with no bias. If you load her with a bias that it comes from Qanon or it's a "right wing extremist" narrative, she'll reject it before even considering it. Closed mind. So, don't tell her anything. Don't interpret. Just say "I found some information you might like to read."
Breaking that cult-like emotional attachment to the Leftist narrative is difficult. She may still reject the data. But she'll also see this isn't coming from right-wing politicians or social media sources or some whackjob blog or whatever else she might use to write off your argument. You're a researcher. Not a cultist. She'll see it.
Your point could be useful except; there is No Qanon. Im starting to think every one of you regurgitating the term Qanon, as if it's some group. Is a plant or narrative phish.
Mom, I love you but your neither educated or informed in regards to politics and world affairs. You are just repeating the Television and believing what your expected to by other friends and family whom also believe the TEEVEE.
What really bothers you is that I do not accept the same narrative that you do and this qualifies me as far-right in your view because that is what they told you Qanons is, but they lie. And you believe their lies over your own son. I believe our leaders are criminals who do not have our best interests at heart because that is what the evidence indicated. Im sorry that you accept authority as the truth rather then truth as authority and shall pray for your Soul Mom as you are what we call a Complicity Theorist. Much like the Germans who supported NAZIS.
Complicity Theorist
(noun) - a person who accepts the political narrative of the day unquestionably; consumes mainstream media like it was 1980; and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear, and public shaming of free-thinkers.
Everything we do including merely existing in hate. Everything they do is righteous indignation, but could easily be mistaken for hate if you aren’t lobotomized.
Yep, I feel your pain. My parents are so asleep, they are completely comatose. They talk in CNN headline speak, complete parrots.
Everyday I tell myself, you can tell them, they have to be shown. I just pray they aren't in the 4-6%, but every passing day the odds seem to get worse.
You’re just going to have to toughen up your shell, while holding tight to your love and humanity. Insults no longer affect me, and I work hard to reduce my anger toward those that do not see YET, because one day they will. I think the spreading revival fire will have a lot to do with waking people up.
“Well ma… It’s a good thing my generation has the patience and understanding that will be around to break down the system of control in this republic that previous generations allowed to take over. Ben Franklin warned when asked what type of government the US is by saying “A republic, if you can keep it.” And unlike my previous generation, I intend to do just that.”
I was right about the origins of COVID, it's not natural, it didn't come from Bat Soup.
I was right about the vaccine being deadly, I tried to warn you.
I was right about Ukraine having bioweapons labs
I was right about Election Fraud
I was right about vaccine side effects of mRNA, including infertility, mycarditus, blood clots, strokes, neurological issues, and turbo-cancer.
I was right about Hunter Biden's laptop being authentic
I was right about Joe Biden taking money from China
I was right about Ukraine's proxy war
I was right about the Biden taking out the Nordstream Pipeline.
Yet, "I" am the "extreme right hate monger"?
Then you are the most ignorant, gullible sheep on the freaking planet. Buy a fucking clue.
Maybe when Q said “they won’t be able to walk down the street” they weren’t talking about just politicians, but citizens who want to continue the Communist games. I am losing patience with them. when I see someone wearing a mask I want to point them out and say Communist!
We are researchers who deal in open-source information, reasoned argument, and dank memes. We do battle in the sphere of ideas and ideas only. We neither need nor condone the use of force in our work here
What is qanon? Define it please mom. It does not exist. Why is she spreading hate about this imaginary group? Sounds like sheeple cult talk. Mom, think for yourself.
Sometimes you just have to wait for the normies to catch up.
It happens when the herd turns.
In the meantime, no evidence will persuade them that the gov and MSM are not telling them the truth.
She is parroting MSM talking points, like they all do. Unfortunately, no amount of evidence will turn her. It's just a time game now. In time, she will learn that everything you told her is the truth.
Why are you playing defense?
Tell her what Q is. It's the biggest military intelligence/psychological operation in history. Ask her if she's read a single Q drop. Show her the drops.
She's in absolutely no position to criticize. She has no idea what she's talking about. Tell her so.
I've showed her plenty of Q drops. She doesn't listen to me.
No, she needs to read ALL of them, for herself. If she comes to the conclusion that you are right wing extremist and this movement is a cult after reading the Q drops, well, your mom's a f****** idiot.
Earlier I responded to your dedication of Q and Q drops and respect that.. but!
"...your mom's a f***** idiot."
That's a bit harsh? Let's just say she's a "genuinely misguided" idiot. It's still someone's mom...regardless how foolish she is...
My point is... Let's not alienate.
Respectfully submitted..
I don’t think that’s harsh. Most normies and leftist I know are emotionally guided idiots. Many of my family included.
Yup emotional and angry- yet at the root of it all- they are all cowards. They’re scared and lack the confidence to believe in and think for themselves so they lash out at those who do. Comical that she told him to ‘think for himself’ when she’s literally just a mockingbird. Bc they are emotional cowards tho, they can be swayed, or at least rebuffed by flipping that script. Make them uncomfortable, make them defend their points and stances, make them bring the sauce or gtfo. At a minimum they’ll shut their mouths and watch their tongues in order to avoid any more cognitive dissonance.
I agree but I don’t bother anymore. I don’t care if they wake up or die from the jab, either way they are out of my way then. I don’t have patience for these people anymore.
Totally with you there fren. Zero patience. I’ve tried with so many. And I’ll be open to anyone genuine. But I’m done trying to convert or awaken. Waste of breath. Not giving af, and ridiculing is more effective and more fun anyways. Just gonna do my best to watch out for me and my own and take it from there.
The ones around here have no fight in them, I bring up the shit their side has been up to and they barely try to defend it. Many of them know that they fucked up even if they won't admit it.
Agreed. Brainwaahing is a terrible desease.. LOL We have different methods 🤔 on how to treat the blithering idiots who refuse to accept truths... some like delivering gut wrenching brute and blunt descriptors for describing levels of intelligence, and others prefer a more (dare i say this in todays world??) 🤫gentleman's approach with less severe but often more tactically cutting and demeaning words first. Should the tactical verbal insults fail to reach the dullards mental faculties, then by all means resort to the gut wrenchers!! I prefer initial zingers delivered and/or follow up with a baseball bat, if needed. LOL Stay safe fren. WWG1WGA
She's accusing him of being a lunatic and a member of a cult.
Perhaps if he backed her up once in awhile he wouldn't feel victim to her gaslighting and abuse.
Agreed. That's for him to figure out which he will. ITMT.. We press forward on our assault of the black hatters...
Nah i agree she's a fucking retard.
Ok then!
I've sent her dozens if not hundreds of Q drops. Even though she is wrong I can't force her to think like I do.
You pushed too hard when you should not begin with Q,but with things happening already and then Q drops.Or maybe without Q drops even then.
Show Ohio materials to your mother and start asking why media are COVERING THIS. Show her thing about NordStream. FTX next. maybe even Hunter Laptop things soon. Or gas prices maybe. Not Q. Not Q now.Patience,patience,patience. I know how hard it is,especially as I would like to see all cabal jailed and hanged already. But: patience,patience,patience.
Deprogramming is slow process with no guarantee of success.It requires PATIENCE. Be Patient and do your job fren.Little by little does the trick. Or like we say in Poland : "the drop drills the rock"
Many people can't make heads or tails of the Q drops, many of which are coded and confusing. In addition, normies think they're the nonsensical ramblings of a nut. We'll never redpill skeptics by insisting that they read all the Q drops. It's better to pick a few Q drops on topics you know the person is interested in and explain and interpret them, tying them to real world events.
It's hard to comprehend just how damn stupid many normies are. It's like trying to understand alien thought processes.
Instead of Q drops, maybe show her some comments from anons on here like how we're all anti-vaxxx bc we used research and common sense to deny the jab bc it wasn't adequately tested nor proven effective. Something as simple as that proves we're not a "hate group". How is that in any way radical???!?!
Or show her a meme or 2 like these:
https://greatawakening.win/p/16aT3D8cLJ/pictures-worth-a-thousand-words/
https://greatawakening.win/p/16aT3C0Dp5/branco-illustrates-who-the-real-/
We're not radical nor hateful. We're simply patriots.
Might be a softer approach to get her to see reason rather than jamming Q. Start softly and slowly.
Is she ideologically aligned with you even on the most basic level (eg conservative, patriotic, straight)?
You can go on the offensive. Ask her what she thinks Q is and what amkes it radical. Sounds like she's parotting bullshit she heard on MSNBC.
Oh_Well_ian. Bravo Zulu!!!!! That's how it should be. Hold fast! Ready the guns!
This.
You have to react with incredulity to these people, like it's simply bewildering to you that they could possibly hold this position.
This is my advice for normies you run across, you may wish to play it differently with your mom. Good luck, might be best to just ignore for now and wait and hope.
The bewildering works! I swear it makes the normies respect your credibility a bit more. Gotta be because of their appeal to authority training and peer pressure/ herd mentality.
Kek
Yeah I treat them like they're the clearly insane ones (because they are). It's possible to use some gaslighting techniques in reverse.
Sometime we gotta fight stupid with stupid! Kek
Because she's blinded by the MSM, it's brainwashing, but she will learn in time it's all true.
Don't try to hard. Just ignore her on the Q stuff. I don't try to convince anyone of Q . I just red pill them on what's going on. That's all we need to do, they can find out about Q on their own.
Nothing in the Q drops says we're have to convince people of Q. It makes it harder,if you talk a about Q and gives people a way to reject everything you say.
Yeah I don't even bring up Q especially as so many still treat it and "Qanon" as trigger words and shut their brains off at the mention.
Use the Fight Club rule: Don't talk to normies about Q. Q is the cultivation of every real conspiracy over the years - the end result. You can't understand Q if you don't understand JFK, 9/11, Obama, Russia Russia Russia, Media vs Trump, Pizzagate/Epstein, Clinton Suicides, etc. If they haven't come to the conclusion of all those topics, don't even mention Q, it's useless.
I think this was a mostly true statement until 2020. For me, the 2020 stolen election woke me up. For others it was Covid.
But yeah, the normies who aren't awake by now will need more obvious events to wake them up.
Mom: "It’s a right wing extremest group that breeds nothing but hate. Stop following the sheep of this cult and do a little free thinking for yourself. It’s a hate group. Why don’t you look for the good in others and the world rather than everything negative. It might enlighten you"
Me: "That's extremely ironic considering you are simply parroting what you hear on your favorite News Channel. Talk about not thinking for yourself!"
That's what I said to my uncle when he was parroting some crap. "Are you going to parrot any more of what the newsman told you to think or should I save some time and predict the next five things you're going to say?" That at least shocked him into shutting up.
Child-proof her TV so she can't access those channels.
the correct answer would be "there is no such thing as a group called qanon, that is a media consipracy, there is a ton of people who follow the military who posted as the letter Q who does research"
Are you kidding me. Why did you not point out she is the extremist spreading hate. You had the opportunity and you blew it.
Perhaps you should challenge her to provide some evidence for her beliefs - what research has she done into Q?
This. Tell her you will quit if she provides proof that it is a hate group. Not some fake news items or democrat talking head just stating it. You want actual proof.
The. She can tell all her Facebook friends (bots +fbi) that she saved you from those evil anons.
Came here to say this, as well.
Almost 5,000 posts by Q, so surely she should be able to find at least a few that substantiate her claims.
The part about Q being a cult always cracks me up. Q asks questions, or gives vague clues, which encourages anons TO DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH. Conversely, the media tells people what to think, and to not question what they’re told to believe. Which of those two sounds more like a cult?
Trust the soyence.
A Lion doesn’t concern himself with the opinion of sheep.
Yeah, we're in a cult, we brainwash people into thinking for themselves.
What does WWG1WGA mean
It means "Where We Go One, We Go All."
If you care about your relationship with your mother (I would. Blood is everything in this world), you may need to invest some time in red pilling. She has a false idea of what Qanon is because she's only heard the demonized version of it. She doesn't believe your characterization.
You have to show her you're not extreme. You show her the facts and let the facts speak for themselves. All you can do is present the information from the best sources you can find.
Example: present Sy Hersch's article on the Nordstream pipeline attack (here). It's meticulous and written by a journalist with an impeccable reputation. She'll have a very tough time arguing with it because of who this man is and what he has done throughout his career. It's truth and she'll have to confront that.
Example 2: present the Cochrane Library's review on mask effectiveness (here). The Cochrane Library is an organization committed to accumulating and analyzing the length and breadth of medical literature. Its reputation is sterling and its quality of work is obvious. Everyone who writes for them is eminently qualified, attributed, and the work is top notch and peer-reviewed. They show conclusively that masks do not work and cite studies that show we've known that since early in the pandemic.
That's how you win. You simply show her what you're researching. Not everything. A ton of stuff posted her is low-quality BS or stupid memes. That convinces no one. It's fun sometimes and entertaining, but that's not going to change minds. Another thing to note. Don't interpret. Simply present the data. Let her form her own opinion with no bias. If you load her with a bias that it comes from Qanon or it's a "right wing extremist" narrative, she'll reject it before even considering it. Closed mind. So, don't tell her anything. Don't interpret. Just say "I found some information you might like to read."
Breaking that cult-like emotional attachment to the Leftist narrative is difficult. She may still reject the data. But she'll also see this isn't coming from right-wing politicians or social media sources or some whackjob blog or whatever else she might use to write off your argument. You're a researcher. Not a cultist. She'll see it.
Your point could be useful except; there is No Qanon. Im starting to think every one of you regurgitating the term Qanon, as if it's some group. Is a plant or narrative phish.
'I just don't get it'
Mom, I love you but your neither educated or informed in regards to politics and world affairs. You are just repeating the Television and believing what your expected to by other friends and family whom also believe the TEEVEE.
What really bothers you is that I do not accept the same narrative that you do and this qualifies me as far-right in your view because that is what they told you Qanons is, but they lie. And you believe their lies over your own son. I believe our leaders are criminals who do not have our best interests at heart because that is what the evidence indicated. Im sorry that you accept authority as the truth rather then truth as authority and shall pray for your Soul Mom as you are what we call a Complicity Theorist. Much like the Germans who supported NAZIS.
Complicity Theorist
(noun) - a person who accepts the political narrative of the day unquestionably; consumes mainstream media like it was 1980; and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear, and public shaming of free-thinkers.
Correct! We hate falsehoods and lies."
If someone thinks you are racist for following Q, then, sigh.
They have no clue.
my mom called me that last year too, i laughed at her, shes a msnbc/cnn mutant. Soon they will all know whats been going on, hold on to that.
I don’t tell anyone about Q. I’m ready to do a data dump on them though, if they bring it up.
You should have just let it go the second she said "Qanon" as there is no such thing
Everything we do including merely existing in hate. Everything they do is righteous indignation, but could easily be mistaken for hate if you aren’t lobotomized.
Yep, I feel your pain. My parents are so asleep, they are completely comatose. They talk in CNN headline speak, complete parrots.
Everyday I tell myself, you can tell them, they have to be shown. I just pray they aren't in the 4-6%, but every passing day the odds seem to get worse.
She sounds really brainwashed; so sad. As long as the msm exists, the lack of understanding and awareness will continue. Pray for her.
You’re just going to have to toughen up your shell, while holding tight to your love and humanity. Insults no longer affect me, and I work hard to reduce my anger toward those that do not see YET, because one day they will. I think the spreading revival fire will have a lot to do with waking people up.
“Well ma… It’s a good thing my generation has the patience and understanding that will be around to break down the system of control in this republic that previous generations allowed to take over. Ben Franklin warned when asked what type of government the US is by saying “A republic, if you can keep it.” And unlike my previous generation, I intend to do just that.”
I feel ya, I haven’t talked or seen my family in a year.
I was right about the origins of COVID, it's not natural, it didn't come from Bat Soup. I was right about the vaccine being deadly, I tried to warn you. I was right about Ukraine having bioweapons labs I was right about Election Fraud I was right about vaccine side effects of mRNA, including infertility, mycarditus, blood clots, strokes, neurological issues, and turbo-cancer. I was right about Hunter Biden's laptop being authentic I was right about Joe Biden taking money from China I was right about Ukraine's proxy war I was right about the Biden taking out the Nordstream Pipeline.
Yet, "I" am the "extreme right hate monger"? Then you are the most ignorant, gullible sheep on the freaking planet. Buy a fucking clue.
Truth is hateful to their false reality.
Translation:
Mom: I don’t understand what’s happening in the world and I am afraid. Leave well enough alone so I can continue living in my bubble.
Maybe when Q said “they won’t be able to walk down the street” they weren’t talking about just politicians, but citizens who want to continue the Communist games. I am losing patience with them. when I see someone wearing a mask I want to point them out and say Communist!
We are researchers who deal in open-source information, reasoned argument, and dank memes. We do battle in the sphere of ideas and ideas only. We neither need nor condone the use of force in our work here
And, speaking of doing a little free thinking, Mom...
What is qanon? Define it please mom. It does not exist. Why is she spreading hate about this imaginary group? Sounds like sheeple cult talk. Mom, think for yourself.
Ya did good. Keep you calm but hold the line and don't back down. You're planting seeds for the future
There's no such thing as Qanon.
Let her read the drops for herself
First of all.... Mom... there is no such thing as qAnOn.
We... anons...or.. anonymous people on the internet, are researchers and distributors of TRUTH.
If Q was an extremists racist right winger, why would they want us to believe something like this? Hit her with 4748 BOOM! u/#q4748
Think about that MA!!
That's what I would have said..
Yeah
Sorry about your mother. When was she vaccinated?