Assertion: "Pence said America is not his concern"
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https://files.catbox.moe/ljz24f.mp4
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I'm seeing people posting stuff about Pence saying America is NOT his concern. One example is a meme by Turning Point Action, posted in GAW 6 hours ago, declaring Pence committed political suicide.
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Now, some folks think Pence is a DJT loyalist who is doing Kayfabe and is running for candidacy for strategic reasons. Others think Pence is a scumbag and DS asset.
Personally I'm the former. But whatever one's position personally on Pence (which has to include your view on Q, devolution, the Plan, etc), it behooves each of us to approach the information with critical and rational thinking, rather than emotional reaction. In other words, we should let our prejudices and biases just lead us around like a dog on a chain.
In my view, the narrative being thrown around about this Pence issue now is
FAKE NEWS. 100% It's a distortion, malinformation.
Here's why I think that.
There are essentially FOUR key data points that I consider re: how to analyse and breakdown this news.
ONE The discourse and its whole context
TWO The language of Pence in response to Tucker
THREE The illogicality of Pence even saying "America is not my concern"
FOUR Donald Trump's recent words regarding Pence
1. Take the whole discourse and understand the context.
Tucker said "XXX American situation, and YOUR concern is .... how many tanks Ukraine has". Despite all the other things in a very long sentence, this is Tuckers basic premise and assertion to Pence.
How does Pence respond? Pence responds "that is NOT my concern"
Listen to the above (short) clip a few times. It becomes very clear when you take the statement in context.
Pence Immediately goes on to clarify he is concerned about the American situation. He's rebutting the idea that Pence has no concern for the USA, clarifying that the way Tucker framed 'his' concern is not factual.
Tucker said "your concern is.... that Ukraine doesn't have enough tanks" Then says other stuff and "where's the concern for America in that?"
Pence said "that is not my concern" OBVIOUSLY talking about Tucker's assertion that Pence's concern is for the Ukraine having tanks.
He rebutts Tucker by saying "Tucker, I've heard that routine from you before, but that's not my concern."
2. Why does Pence say "I've heard that Routine from you before"?
What routine? Clearly, it's the routine where Tucker is asserting that "Pence is more concerned about ukrainian tanks than he is about America".
Pence is accepting Tucker's dialog as a clear provocative question/assertion, and responds by saying "it's a routine" as any politician with half a brain would, let alone someone who was TRUMP's VP.
Pence then goes on to clarify WHY he is running for President, essentially rebutting Tuckers assertion that Pence is NOT concerned about America.
"I'm running for President of the United States because I think this country is in a lot of trouble. I think Joe Biden has weakened America at home and abroad."
So A) Pence rebutts Tuckers assertion, B) reinforces that by stating Tucker's assertion is a routine (designed to provoke or irritate the interviewee, Pence) and C) then proceeds to say exactly WHY he is concerned about America.
3. Does it make any sense that Pence would state "America is not my concern"?
Contextually, it makes NO sense to think that Pence would say, openly, at an interview "I'm not concerned about America at all".
That's idiotic. He'd have to be drunk or shot up with sodium pentathol to say anything like that IF it were in fact true. It's ludicrous, and really ONLY believable if you have severe biases and prejudices about Pence.
If Pence was truly Deep state, would he say that openly? He'd be the first politician in the history of the deep state, with some reall rippers in there like Obama, Clinton(s), Bushes, and pretty much every other owned Deep State congressman or woman.
I'll admit, Pence's manner in responding is unfortunate. Grammatically (I mean, in terms of logic, facts, etc) Pence is correct, because he's responding to Tuckers main assertion that "X is your concern" Like a nerd who isn't paying attention to how it sounds. He's just answering factually.
BUT to someone NOT paying actually attention, it sounds like he's saying America is not my concern.
4. DJT's comments and talk about Pence
I get that a LOT of people including anons are upset about the stolen election (who isn't) and that they blame Pence on the basis of a lot of DJT's rhetoric.
But if devolution is really in play, if DJT KNEW they were going to steal the election and his plan involved letting them get away with it because of a larger sting operation, then Pence HAD to do what he did. AND, if he actually intervened in the process, it would have set a precedent that ANY VP could do this. Anytime.
IF DJT knew they would and did steal the election, then it means he violated his vow to the American people and simply let them get away. But that's not DJT, so some sort of Devolution / Continuity of Government HAS to be in play.
More importantly, in the past few months, DJT has come out and said essentially positive and supportive things about Pence, even though previously he's blamed Pence for the Jan 6 situation, etc. Why? Because blaming Pence was necessary Kayfabe to create a distance between them. Just like many others.
Do you think there is a reason why DJT's rhetoric so often sounds like a WWF wrestler haranguing his opponent? The WWF wrestling is literally KAYFABE.
If DJT's rhetoric around Pence was NOT kayfabe, how could DJT now say, one or two months ago, at that major CPAC conference, that literally "Pence never did a bad thing in his life"? and "He's an honorable man" etc on other recent occasions.
kayfabe is real.
Why Spread The Pence Said This Narrative?
Who benefits from spreading this narrative designed to trigger hate for Peace? Who is it that constantly puts out rage bait to trigger 'conservatives' and Maga folks, so that they are reacting instead of thinking clearly? Controlled Opposition aka Conservative inc. The likes of Candace Owens, the likes of Ben Shapiro, the likes of other establishment conservatives.
Rage baiting is a way that controlled opposition get the Maga and conservative base (and anons, actually) off kilter. You become so worked up with 'hating' the target or 'fearing' the outcome that you are simply acting from emotional reaction, instead of dispassionately reasoning, thinking critically and balanced (based).
It's a clear and obvious strategy that Controlled Oppo would use. It doesn't really matter if the object of the hate or fear is bad or not. If they are bad, then even better, because it's all the easier to trigger your reactive emotional knee-jerk responses and to condition you to think less, react more.
I can only conclude that people or organizations who are spreading this narrative ("Pence said America is not his concern") narrative are EITHER:
Disinformation operatives (controlled opposition, etc)
Persons so biased by their view of Pence that they believe mostly anything that the bias confirms (aka they react instead of thinking)
Persons who hate Pence either way and don't care whether he said it or not. Spread anything because Pence is Scum
Persons who are simply ill-informed but whose biases lead them to repost and accept the narrative without really checking the facts and the context.
The FACTS and the CONTEXT are clear.
Does Turning Point Action expose themselves here as controlled opposition? Why else would they attack Pence with this sort of fake news, and spread fakeness around? Or are they simply totally incompetent and without journalistic integrity?
Conclusion
Putting aside one's own view of whether Pence is a Patriot doing Kayfabe, or a Deep State asset scum, it should be pretty obvious that in this instance, Pence is NOT saying "America is not my concern".
If after examining the evidence, you still think he's saying that, then i have a really big Bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
This news - Pence said America is NOT his concern - is FAKE.
It's a misread/mishear of what was said at best. At worst, it's actually dis/mal info.
The war is real. The news is fake. Q
Q2817
Do not let personal (EMOTIONal) desires ("do it now""now""what is taking so long""NOW!") take over.
Logical thinking and strategy should always be applied.
Q2604
Those who push simply do not understand warfare tactics.
EMOTIONs cloud judgement.
EMOTIONs cloud logic.
You have more than you know.
UPDATE: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/fake-news-mike-pence-lashes-after-his-thats/
It's a sad day when Maga influencers stoop to the level of fake news to destroy an opponent, perceived or real.
That's what the Cabal propaganda machine does. Maga has to do better.
Doesn’t matter what he meant. It came out the way it did. And the memes alone right now are killing him. He will not beat Trump no matter what
No. And a wall of text to try to twist what he really said, into something that you want to believe he said does not change what he said- twice.
What he really said, is that he cares more about 33 Abrams tanks getting to Ukraine (there's that special number again) rather than listening to what Tucker was saying, and caring, about American cities in decline.
When supporting military industrial complex profits, and being concerned with tanks going to Ukraine to kill Russians clouds a persons mind to the point where they cannot think straight enough to address a simple point that Tucker was making, that persons mind is rotted from evil. He really, truly, honestly couldn't give two flying shits about what your (and our) little peasant concerns are. He said the quiet part out loud, end of story.
Okay so then I can just dismiss dumbass stuff Biden and Kamala says then right? Because they'd have to be drunk or shot up to say anything as stupid as they say. And if you disagree you have severe biases and prejudice against the democrats right?
Nah, I don't really think so. But you have a fair point.
I guess my bias is that Pence is not a dumbass or doesn't have dementia. So, I would find it hard to compare Pence with either of them. I think that Harris is really pretty dumb, and that joe has dementia. So they don't have to be drunk or take sodium pentathol.
But perhaps that's really just an assertion, because I don't think any moderately capable politician could say that. (neither Biden or Harris being capable in their current condition.)
That argument on its own (point 3) doesn't really stand on it's own, but in combination with the other point, to me, anyway, it seems clear.
The statement that you could ONLY believe that if you have severe biases against Pence is an opinion, not a fact, and it would have been better to express it that way instead of as if it is a fact.
By the way, I'm not suggesting that biases or prejudices are bad, only that they CAN influence how we perceive things.
I have a bias in that I think Pence is a patriot working closely with DJT and is heavily involved in kayfabe. I think this would naturally affect some of the interpretations I make about certain Prence related things (actions, for example).
I listened to his whole response, and his position on the 2020 election, electronic voting, and Ukraine. He has crap policy positions regardless of an out of context zinger.
No argument there.
Good breakdown. Thank you.
IT IS his concern how many tanks and jets and money Ukraine gets. It's his primary concern. He talks about it so much, he ignores the priorities of Americans and the fact that the war is very unpopular. The parallels between Ukraine and Vietnam from politicians like Pence is noticeable.
Be that as it may, he didn't say what TPA (and others) are asserting he said. Dunno. For me, facts matter.
On the other hand, I'm not following Pence very closely, so maybe what you say is true.
For me, the post is really about developing and reinforcing analysis and discernment good practice. As to what Pence's actual policies and priorities are, that's a whole nuther topic.
I give you credit for spending time on that, and I agree. I knew it was taken out of context. But you know what? I really don't give a crap. Pence has been pushing false narratives on almost every issue. He doesn't deserve our fact-checking.
Note: I do not and never will engage in 'fact checking'. 'fact checking' is an invention of the globalist propaganda machine, and I will never stoop to adopting their expressions, their terminology and their 'culture'.
I prefer to do research, analysis and track down truth as much as viable.
It's a curiosity to me that "check" has two primary meanings as a verb: one, to verify, two, to stop, halt or stem.
If you consider that 'fact checking' could just as easily mean "stopping the flow of facts", well, one wonders if this is their double-speak in action.
well...if traitor, then "Oh Well's" comments are the way. If kayfabe, then Pence wants you to hate him anyways, so pile on. (either way, good analysis to keep in the back of your mind till we have more information.)
Nah, I don't get much traction from hating anyone. Not really my deal.
Bad people are like bad glue. A lot more effective and healthy to not become emotionally entangled with them.
I LOVE some folks though. A whole lot. Off the cuff, I can think of one 'former' president.
You’re correct on everything that you said. However; he may never ever be able to live this moment down. For a person to break it down, like yourself, and finally get the right answer, it will still not erase the idea in peoples minds. America is not Mike Pence’s problem. It’s not just the interaction that he had with Tucker that makes people feel this way. It’s because he certified a rigged election. Everybody knows, that America is not his problem. Mike Pence does not care about America. He cares about himself.
He made a choice on January 6, 2020 to become the biggest traitor to our country that we’ve ever seen. Some people say it’s Shiff, some people say it’s Millie, some people say it’s the FBI, or even Biden and Obama. But the biggest traitor that we’ve seen in our lifetime was Mike Pence.
If Mike Pence had not certified a rigged election, the comment that was made on Tucker show may not have ever been perceived in the same manner. I’ll even double down on this. If Mike Pence had not certified a rigged election, Tucker would’ve actually given him the opportunity to correct himself, and not bury him in his own comment. But Tucker knows we all know.
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Yeah, I guess you’re saying that because if he is a white hat, then that would be true. But we don’t know for certain so at this time I reserve to believe he is a traitor.
Only time will tell. Only time will tell.
I can't stand Pence, but I applaud your thoughtfulness. It will get harder and harder to discern the truth as the battles intensify. I'm glad to share a pond with you even when we don't agree about every single thing. If we listen to each other, we stand a better chance of being able to see through the disinformation.
Thanks. I appreciate that.
For the record, I'm not attempting to present some infallible argument. I'm simply attempting to articulate my reasoning, and why I reached my conclusions.
Others have other views, and there's nothing wrong with that, obviously.
I think, however, in general, people's internal state is so heightened these days. The issue of Pence is a highly emotive one, and I think a lot of people bring their emotions to bear when examining many if the issues we deal with here.
It's understandable, but if We are the News, if the Q op is real, clearly a significant part of that operation was to encourage people to seriously upgrade their thinking and their ability to partake in the 5Gen war that is underway.
On the issue of Pence, I have my own beliefs, which I hope I was clear about. But beyond that, I'm certainly not commenting about his policies, his platform. Regardless of ANY of that, I simply have an immediate knee-jerk response (good or bad?) when I see fake news, when I see propaganda-like narrative twisting, and facts being mis-reported or misrepresented.
There is certainly a space for discussing and arguing the more significant (?) issue of whether Pence is working with DJT or against DJT (i.e. for himself or for the Deep State), but the thing is, unless we build good practice to hone our discernment, raise our attentiveness to how narratives are built and used to manipulate and control, that discussion and those arguments will be far less fruitful, in my view.
Others have raised points here that obviously find agreement from others. Frankly, I'm really just chuffed that I made a post and it got as many comments and discussion as it did upvotes. Discussion, after all, being the name of the game (IMO), as you so rightly point out.
Pence didn't say America is not my concern, but what wasn't his concern? America suffering while still sending its tanks and treasure to Ukraine? Our crumbling worsening cities? Our open borders being invaded?
I won't base my decisions or opinions on the speculation that Judas Pence is actually part of a LARP involving white hats and gray hats and black hats.
But Pence just brought up the fact that he is concern that Ukraine was offered tanks and still had not received them. That was Pence who brought it up, I.E. he was concerned about it.
I can't believe he was dumb enough to say that he is unconcerned about our cities and our quality of life. But if not that, then what exactly is it that he is unconcerned about? Because he plainly is concerned about the tanks.
.... He said "That's not my concern" and as far as I can see, he said that in response to Tucker saying that "your concern... is how many tanks Ukraine has".
That's all. It seems pretty straightforward to me.
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This doesn't mean Pence isn't deep state. It doesn't mean that his level of concern about the US situation is adequate. It doesn't mean that his concerns about Ukraine are non-existent or appropriate. It doesn't mean that he isn't actually concerned about the tanks and Ukraine thing.
All it means is that he responded to what Tucker was rhetorically asserting that "Your Concern is ..... the Ukraine". Tucker's rhetoric may well have been on point. But I don't think it serves truth or freedom when facts are misrepresented and then used for purposes of manipulating public opinion.
If someone put out memes or stories that "Pence's is more concerned about the Ukraine than he is about America" that's an opinion and fair game. People can freely make that argument. But to put out the story that "Pence said American is NOT his concern" it's both misquoting and to my mind, misrepresenting. And, I think that's important.
So in my view, the story that "Pence just killed his political career because he said that the USA is NOT his concern" is untrue.
How many times (like a kazillion?) have the media and deep state twisted DJT's words to misrepresent him to the American and the World's people? Surely the problem here is how truth is twisted and manipulated for nefarious or manipulative purposes. How will people be able to truly be sovereign over their nations and governments unless they upgrade their thinking to the level that the real facts matter and REALLY matter? Propaganda works by manipulating facts and destroying the line between facts and opinion.
Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. I'm not arguing for Pence as some good guy. I'm arguing about how various parties, including TPA, took what Pence said and seemed happy to reshape it, spin it, in order to win hit points against... Well, Pence. Isn't THAT a problem?
If Pence is rubbish, and his policies and concerns are really bad for America, then this will really ONLY be clear and obvious when the facts are correctly presented. Not via Spin. Otherwise, we're simply playing the same Swamp game, only swapping out us for them.
I don't know. Maybe for me this is a much bigger point than for others. Maybe that has to do with the fact that a massive turning point for me in how I view the world and started paying serious attention came when I watched a video by Stefan Molyneux around Jan of 2016 called "The Untruth About Donald Trump". (PS. I'm not American, btw)
I watched that video, which examined what DJT was actually saying, and what the Mainstream Media were saying what he was saying, and it was really a massive red pill, one that sent me on the path of examining the real situation in the USA not to mention questioning the media industrial complex.
Today I remain convinced that the most important red pill and the biggest turning points for our societies will come when people wake up to the fact that the Media Industrial Complex has been lying and manipulating and controlled them (us), mostly all of our lives.
Once the Media complex collapses (and it's in the process of collapse, imo) what are we going to replace it with? That's meant to be us, regular citizens. The anons are the first, but a truly free society will live or die on that capacity of its people to honor truth and keep ourselves accountable to truth.
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Great analysis.
What makes a good movie? Great Actors...I am still on the fence with one Mike Pence, Barr, Wray, etc, The one thing that I hold hope out on Pence is that 1 Chris Miller thanking Pence for his mentorship during the "Most Complex Military Moves in our History" 2 Trump saying on Jan 6th that the hardest thing Pence could do, was nothing at all, and 3 Trump saying that Pence is a good honest man. We have turned to a "Sound Bite" society, so his statement will stick, but Good, Bad, or Turned...We will find out in the end. HOPEFULLY?!?!?!
I am starting to be more of the latter.
If he really wanted to fuck over trump, he would have done the 25th amendment but he didnt.
Trump picked him for a reason
as much as a lot of people here don't want to hear this, a vp shouldn't have the ability to overturn an election. Yea you can make the argument he should have done things differently, but just understand that there was a reason he didnt, which we can only speculate as to why, but i think it was the right decision
yes, possible devolution
Every.Single.Republican.Candidate right now knows they stand a virtual 0% chance of winning, even Desantis. Even Pence. It is a giant fuck you to run against your old president. Pence wasn't even on the radar when Trump announced.
This comes from a close friend who used to be very involved in washington, but Pence did not have presidential aspirations before 2016, and even through 2020. I highly doubt he even wants to be president. He has 0 motivation, he knows hes not going to win, there is def something else going on
bring on the hate :)
#3 - kind of an invalid argument. He didn't have the ability to overturn anything. Nobody actually asked him to overturn the election by some secret vp power. All we wanted of him was to send some of the results back to the states to be verified. Take a week or 2, check the results that looked fraudulent, and then certify once checked. That is not overturning an election - it is verifying the results that looked fraudulent.
If nothing changed he would then have to certify what was sent to him.
I don't think he made the right decision. Had he sent some back to the states the actions that afternoon would likely have been much different. Sure the DS would've still tried to stage their fake insurrection but the majority of Trump supporters would have stayed where they were after watching Trump speak and would have partied all day. Instead, by just certifying everything the people fell right into the DS trap.
Maybe he did what was asked of him (we may never really know), but as a result there have been thousands of lives changed, ruined, and a couple actually lost.
So, do you think that DJT did NOT know what Pelosi and the Establishment was planning for Jan 6? Serious question.
I certainly do not wish to minimize the significance of the lives affected, ruined and lost on or as a result of the Jan 6 incident, but don't you think that some perspective is important here?
If Q is correct, and even if he isn't, we are involved in a situation, a war, an insurrection in the United States in which billions of people's lives are at stake. Not hundreds, thousands, not tens of thousands, not just millions. Billions. The future of humanity is what is at stake here.
If Pence's actions are THE factor determining what has happened in the USA for the past 2+ years, then in fact his failure is stupendously horrendous.
But this is a Q research board. How on earth do you not factor in the Q operation, and all the military planning operation that team DJT appears to be (very clearly at this point) running? Can we just look at things in the normie, MSM or surface way, and draw any real conclusions.
I just don't think so. But that's my view, I guess.
No idea where you got the idea I didn't factor Q in to anything. We are talking about Pence. I guess my question is do you really think Pence is on the Q team? I don't. I think he is nowhere near smart enough, nor should he be trusted to have that kind of information. Pence wasn't a choice for VP for Trump - it was basically mandated by the establishment. Same for the other morons he started his term with (like Reince). Do you really believe Pence would then be brought into the fold with the Q team? He had nothing to bring to the table.
But if you want to play then ok - I'm sure Trump knew what was going on with Pelosi and everyone else. That doesn't have anything to do with Pence - unless he is actually on the Q team. If he is not, then all Trump could do was ask him to send the votes for certain states back to be checked. Pence would then have to decide what to do.
None of us know what the plan was really supposed to be on Jan 6th. Who knows - maybe the Q team wanted Pence to send the votes back, and they would make sure the fraud came to light and the election would go to Trump. Maybe they wanted Pence to certify the loss and push the country closer to civil war.
I believe option 1 would've been preferred if they knew the results would be so damning against the dems that everyone would see just how bad our elections have been. The pcaps that Lindell said he has may have been real, and Space Force may have been ready to release their own packet captures to prove it. When Pence just certified the Space Force stood down.
I do think the team had plans for both options and we are in the plan for option 2 now.
You mentioned this being a Q research board. Remember - research necessarily means there will be different ideas put forth and not all of them will match yours.
Thanks for the reply, and sharing your reasoning. Updoogle.
I guess we have very different concepts of what the Q operation is. My view is that the Q operation is a military intelligence operation run with specific objectives including activating an army of anons, triggering mass public awakening and generating a significant civilian force in the 5G war.
The Q team has [less than 10] individuals who have direct knowledge about Who is on the Team, What the Q operation Plan is, and What it's specific objectives are and how and by who it was developed. But that doesn't mean other people don't have levels of knoweldge, and delegated responsibilities.
Imagine a massive army invasion operation like Normandy. How many people knew the whole plan? There were some 200,000 troops involved in the actual landing, but how many millions were involved in; logistics planning and execution, equipment preparation, etc, etc.?
But how many planned it and knew the whole picture? https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/a-whos-who-of-d-day
There were hundreds of thousands of other people at all different levels with SOME knowledge but on a need to know basis for their role in the campaign.
Likely as not, NONE of the people below Colonel (just speculating here) knew the actual landing cite until 24 hours before D-Day.
That's how I see the Q operation. The Q team is the team directly involved in planning, and seeing that the Q operation fulfills its objective. As a military operation, there are many working in coordination with the objectives of the Q team, but who do not necessarily know The Whole Picture. Think of Kash Patel, think of Col. Miller, Ezra Watkins, Dan Scavino, Gen Flynn, Nunes, etc, etc. They don't have to be on the Q team to get instructions and directions and information about what they should do or to be given tasks and missions.
Moreover, the Q operation is part of a much larger overall plan, in my view.
So, no, I've never thought for a second that Pence was literally on the Q team. Not at all. But as he was DJT's VP, he could very well have been privy to very important knoweldge and easily be instructed (requested) by DJT or others to play a specific role, for example. In fact, the Q drop says this about the 'team'.
Then, there was all the stuff that happened right AFTER the election in 2020, when DJT switched around people to be acting Sec of Defense, the changes to the Special Ops chain of command, etc. Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller praised Pence and thanked Pence mentoring him and working with him in "some of the most complex military operations this nation has ever done". That doesn't necessarily mean anything about the Q operation, but it strongly implies something. (Miller was Acting Sec Def. From Nov. 9, 2020, until Jan. 20, 2021).
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You can count the people who have the full picture on two hands.
That doesn't even necessarily mean there are only 10 on the team. It means, only less than ten have the full picture, and that up to 6 of them are military (emphasizing the military nature of the operation and the very controlled nature of who knows what). Possibly, the persons doing the posting may not even have been included in those 10. I doubt it, but it's possible.
So, for me, the idea that [Pence was not on Q team] = [Pence was completely ignorant of any plan or of certain fundamentals of the plan or was just some place holder doing whatever], I just don't see it that way.
That's not how military operations work, and its not for that matter how an administration works, either. in very secretive or clandestine operations, its usually a need to know basis. But it doesn't mean no one except the top people know nothing or don't have their roles or missions.
And that's why it seemed to me that you don't factor in the Q operation, but I see that in fact it's just that we have very different concepts of what that operation is and how it was (or is being) executed.
For me, the existence of the Q operation implies directly that many, many people are working together in a clandestine strategy that interconnects with the Q operation itself (which is the operation as I said to engage and activate a large awake civilian intelligence network aka anons and trigger a massive worldwide awakening to the reality of the evil behind the veil).
I guess some folks watched the Patriot Joe video (I watched it many times) "The Plan to Save the World" and they think somehow that a) less than 10 people are involved in the operation (whereas less than 10 people KNOW the WHOLE PICTURE) and b) that the Q operation = the WHOLE strategy by DJT and the White Hats to ..... save the world?
I see the Q operation as a military intelligence operation that functions as PART of a much larger overall war and strategy to take down the Cabal and destroy the Deep State in the US and elsewhere. "biggest info drop ever"
Am I correct in thinking, then that you basically think that unless someone is directly on the Q team or rather has direct knowledge of the Whole Plan that they basically know nothing, and are just playing a .... normie role? Serious question.
No, but we can examine a very wide set of data and information to apply logical analysis and reasoning to come up with explanations that map more or map less on to the known facts.
Taking about the 2000 facts garnered over the last 5 years, I don't buy the premise that Pence is deep state or that DJT was forced to accept him, but he was a snake undermining DJT all the time. But obviously others have different views.
I think everything has been planned out meticulously, including contingencies, and timing, responses from the opponents (DS), and that the plan was essentially a three-stage plan:
Preparation and Foundation Phase
ONE. Trump Administration 1 - flush the key power positions and neutralize the enemy strongholds by siloing them and cutting them off from their established communication systems (remember the Star Wars gaming thing, for example), while showing how well everything can go when the right steps are taken byb a government NOT under Cabal control.
Exposure and disclosure phase
TWO. Trump 'Administration' '#2' - Devolution and continuity of government activated by Trump at the end of ONE to safeguard certain KEY functions of government so that things never actually get out of control beyond a certain point, then let the enemy run their playbook, including stealing the election, all the while keeping the enemy network (from highest ups to lowly minions) essentially in the dark and not knowing what the White Hats are doing, and showing America and the world what the REAL agenda is by the Cabal, and how much they hate freedom and people, etc, and how deep the corruption actually goes, in ALL institutions, including the judiciary, media, corporations, govt, depts. etc, WHILE pushing the conditions that implode the Fiat Currency Cabal system.
(Putin could never have cleaned out and exposed Ukraine, for example, with DJT in the White House. So how to clean out Ukraine?)
Justice and Completion Stage
THREE. Trump Administration 2 (#3). On the basis of a fully awakened population and with the necessary public mandate (not just maga but the vast majority of Americans), execute the full decimation of the Deep State apparatus (all remnants) and remove the malignancy that has been there for decades and centuries.
There is a LOT of evidence that points very very strongly towards this being the actual WH plan (not to be confused with the Q plan or the Q operation itself, which is like a special ops operation run as part of the overall plan).
Anyway, that's how I see it these days. And that's after tracking Q and the core situation closely after 5+ years. But either way, we don't need to agree. No one is going to know exactly or perfectly, so we can always learn from others.
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Thanks for the reply. I actually have used the same D-Day argument myself and for the same reasons you did. I know how that works - I was USAF for 10 years. Part of that time was spent at NORAD as an admin for WWMCCS and JOPES. Half of my career was also at the Pentagon. I had a TS-SSBI with SCI the entire time, and a Q later on when I was an NRC cyber inspector.
However I don't agree Pence was privy to any real Q operations info. That doesn't mean he wasn't asked to do certain things that were actually part of the plan. Much like the D-Day example. Besides, like I said I don't believe he had anything to offer. The VP is not even in or over the military either. There is no vice commander-in-chief. VP only has 2 official jobs. One is President of the Senate, and the other is "be ready if the POTUS dies".
This is an interesting question. My answer is mostly a yes. It is similar to an SAP. The people on an SAP know what the program is about. More people play a part in that program, but only a part. They have no idea about the SAP - they are not allowed to, but they may be an important part of the overall operation without knowing they are actually working on an SAP. Things are compartmentalized for a reason. You may often need operations from outside of a program, and you may even have a need to keep those operations secret from other teams doing other operations. Even if just for plausible deniability.
Something I think a lot of people don't understand is "the plan" is not a single plan. It can't be, because situations change. There may be an outline with desired results for an overall plan, but there would have to be numerous plans based on different situations or results. Otherwise one setback or failure could sink the whole plan. If you were in the military maybe you have heard of SIOP (or SIOP-ESI) - Single Integrated Operational Plan - Extremely Sensitive Information. That was the US nuclear war plan until about 2003 (now they use OPLANs). It has "single" in the name but that plan had a whole bunch of plans and targets. I imagine "The Plan" is similar.
Also, if my theory is correct and it was up to Pence to do what Trump asked on Jan 6th (but he did not) then Devolution became necessary. If Pence sent the results back to the states and it was proven that Trump won then devolution may not have been necessary.
Same for Ukraine. Did you ever think that Trump and Putin could have talked about those bio labs and all the corruption in Ukraine? For all we know, Trump may have promised Putin they would work together to eliminate them, stop the child trafficking, prosecute the Bidens for their corruption and interference in Ukraine, and continue to work together on the rest of the world as well. There has been speculation for a long time that Trump, Putin, and possibly XI were all working together against the DS. When it became clear that Trump was not going to win any of the court cases and Pence was not going to send the results to the states Putin may not have wanted to risk another 4 years of bio labs on his borders and took matters into his own hands.
Here's a question for you: Trump has been saying he will be able to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours if he is elected (even before his inauguration). I think we all know when Trump says something as strongly as he says this, he has a good reason and knows something. Why do you think he is so insistent that he would be able to end it on one day? My guess is because once Trump wins the election Putin (and maybe Xi) will be able to work together again to take down the DS from a position of power and Trump will be able to prosecute the people he needs to (assuming he gets a competent AG this time).
I don't know if any of this is correct, or if so how much, but I think we are probably closer in thought than you may realize. We all have different experiences to draw on, and I happen to have a lot of time in jobs that required clearances (15 total years). I don't know about you, but those experiences I had help shape the way I look at Q and the plan in general.
This has been fun - I like it when I am forced to think. The board needs more of these kinds of discussions.
Yeah, thanks here. It's been fascinating and really enjoyable to hear about your background. One good (turn) deserves another. kek. I'm very different. I am a linguist with fluency in three languages and a certain amount of training in lexical analysis, text analysis, a solid background in religious thought as well as translation and interpreting.
(This is partly the why behind my possibly excessive breakdown of the Pence statement.) Self employed most of my career, I also have experience working at the liaison level with high level 'leaders in the political, religious and cultural spheres. (Once sat in on a summit meeting between two heads of state, one of which was Japan.)
Very interesting to read yoru views in the context of your experience and your professional expertise. Your reply raises some questions I find interesting.
What do you make of the ceremony where C. Miller (Acting Sec Def.) thanked Mike Pence for his leadership and talked about being involved together in some of the most complex military operations ever?
Unsure what a SAP is in this context.
What I find really interesting is that we have similar views, I think, re: the hierarchical nature of the need-to-know situation in military operations for example, or in any large undertaking, but we still have very dissimilar views re: the role of Pence.
I guess there are still some. For me, the implications of the Q drops including the NASA launch sequence post are clear. The plan will be dynamic in nature, with clear objectives, that can and does respond (moves and countermoves) to enemy actions, and that in terms of timing, it would be like the Nasa launch, where the sequence or progress of the plan is not linear, but proceeds based on specific responses from the other side, or rather, on certain conditional statuses being met. (ie. the plan cannot proceed until X condition is met)
I view "The Plan" as it were like a massive tree or branch graph, replete with contingencies upon contingencies (i.e. alternate steps taken in response to new developments and countermoves by the opponents), but mapped out and gamed in kazillions of permutations to find the best, most optimal one, but again, with contingencies and alternates, then the next best one, the next, the next, and the next. This would then be raw data used when making decisions related to moving forward, etc. Logically, it makes no sense (to me) for it to be done any other way. (But maybe there is...)
If its military intelligence, their access to the most power supercomputing tech and modelling equipment would mean that they have gamed it out millions of times over with almost infinite variables.
I think such a plan would actually involve defining the outcome at the start. As Q dropped "it was over before it began". In other words, right at the outset, certain conditions (objectives) would have been targeted in a way that defines the parameters of the game, so that the opposition's options for response are increasingly limited. I.e certain responses or countermeasures be neutralized at the very start, before the opposition could change that, so that the field of the game gets narrower and narrower. Other countermeasures and responses would be predicted and the way to utilize them maximized, and indeed certain responses 'induced'.
Like a master chess player, control the flow of play by giving the opposition a field of options they can use, but which ultimately make their choices narrower and narrower ("NEVER INTERFERE With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself.")
I guess this is why, i think, from the beginning, the plan ALWAYS involved 2020 being stolen. They would have had contingency plans in case for some reason, the Deep State actually gave up (fat chance) but were perhaps 90% confident that they would not be able to resist. DJT was talking about stealing the election, and Q was talking about them rigging the election, for a LONG time before Nov 2020. Early on in 2020 Q was talking about how they were using covid to rig the election.
I think none of us imagined that the WH would actually let them do that, but in hindsight, it makes perfect sense (to me) "Sometimes you can't tell the public the truth. YOU MUST SHOW THEM. ONLY THEN WILL PEOPLE FIND THE WILL TO CHANGE. It HAD TO BE this way."
Fwiw, I think that Trump and Putin were certainly working together, but I don't really see how they could clean out Ukraine if DJT was in the white house. Still a LOT of Cabal actors all around the world AND in the USA.
No, I think that the steal was always a necessary even if painful part of the plan to root out the entire system. Or at a minimum it was understood they would attempt it, but that actually evolved into an almost certainty by the start of 2020.
Essentially, because I think that Putin is most certainly cooperating with Trump, but also that very possibly Zelenski is also playing a role. There have been several times when Zelenski and Putin were going to meet and have peace talks. The first time, Boris Johnson PM of the UK intervened in order to prevent that.
I think that the deep state in the US and Europe have been siloed, unable to communicate and operate as they used to. If the strings have been cut (like NK Kim), then the mechanisms of control don't operate as usual. The ide here is that a certain amount of the Cabal infrastructure is in place (middle level, low level) but they cannot get clear marching orders from the top.
The Cabal is in a desperate situation, and they want to somehow trigger WW3 between Russian and the USA, but they cannot actually do it because a) Devolution is in place (think guard rails to essential functions, including the certain branches and aspects of the military) and b) Putin knows this.
Meanwhile they are exposed for who they are more and more, the military industrial complex driving the forever wars is being outed to the public. The awakening has moved way beyond anons now. Sound of Freedom being a good example of that.
At this point, everything they do serves only to expose them more and more to the public.
What about Zelenski?
Trump had a 'perfect call' with zelenski, one that very conveniently set up the accusation of quid pro quo (informing the American people of the concept) and the impeachment. But DJT did NO quid pro quo, but who did? Biden. Its a little TOO convenient that this now boomerangs to Biden corruption and that the American public have to a certain extent all become familiar with the idea of Quid pro quo.
So, was perhaps Zelenski a deep state actor who flipped and is actually serving the DJT agenda? If only to save himself, even? If not, why else would Zelenski's govt security agency target the very oligarch who put him in power (kolomoisky)?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-reportedly-strips-3-jewish-oligarchs-of-ukrainian-citizenship/
It's curious, right?
IMO, there is a LOT of kayfabe. It's necessary to A) keep the deep state minions and players etc in the dark by confusing them or making them think or wonder if P is theirs when in fact P is not, while the plan continues, the public wakes up more and more, and the cabal system itself is being gutted from inside and behind the scenes.
Think Sting operation x 10,000. Thousands and thousands of nodes of sting operations all being carried out, while the propaganda media and deep state actors still think they can get trump.
So, when DJT is returned to Potus authority, he will be able to get Zelenski and Putin together straight away and settle it. That's my current working theory. People think DJT is so boastful 9and he is) but what sort of impact worldwide would it have if DJT were elected and then immediately brought peace to Ukraine and Russia. Even overseas deep state media could not block that from the public.
FWIW, I think that the key players in Trumps administration were all chosen for very important reasons, and that his AGs (sessions and barr) did amazing things with Trump, but that part of the plan requires the necessary kayfabe. Optics VERy important.
DJT was great pals with Barr until the time that the stolen election became the issue. Then, DJT had to slam Barr, but Barr also had to deny massive voter fraud, in order to distance himself and his works from DJT. Optics are critical. It cannot be seen that a dep of justice under trump goes after people who folks perceive are his political enemies. Very bad look.
But now, under Biden's so-called DoJ, Trump is being indicted, arrested, charged, etc. Think template, boomerang.
Did Trump EVER say anything negative about Pence until or except the 'Stolen election' thing? i don't recall it. To me, there are myriad clear reasons why such kayfabe might be necessary. Certainly in the case of Barr, but also in the case of Pence and the Votes.
But some folks simply cannot see that. But Kayfabe isn't merely fantasy for the sake of fantasy. It provides all sorts of optics cover, narrative cover so that certain things do NOT look bad. At the end of the day, without the broad public mandate from the American people, including them understanding HOW deep the corruption is, and WHY DJT's actions are necessary (and not political), then his hands are really tied. So..... a LOT of kayfabe. Shadow boxing.
Folks look only at the surface level and draw conclusions based on that, but part of the Q operation was to activate anons who would dig deeper and look deeper behind the scenes. "Enjoy the Show"
In any case, an interesting discussion. Always worth having. Exchanges of idea and indeed thinking processes will always benefit if we engage in good faith.
I agree, the board needs more of this.
Not everyone is all right or all wrong: undeniably, Pence has good “right leaning” ideas. But for vigilant voters, it’s wise to pay attention to everything a candidate says snd does. Did Pence just word his response awkwardly or was it a Freudian slip?
Frankly his lack of courage and integrity on January 6 should completely disabuse any idea that he was working “with” Trump to lose the 2020 election. That’s delusional. Pence is a RINO and pro-war. I just appreciate Tucker for shining light on where the candidates stand on ALL issues, not just J-6.
Propaganda (regardless of where it comes from) typically relies on the destruction of true context. Anything taken out of context can be distorted and manipulated. It’s more important than ever to keep a keen ear for what is real versus twisted.
The actual main point that Tucker was making was that we're subsidizing Ukraine in an insane, provoked effort that may lead to WWIII, while the $$billions$$ we are wasting would be better used at home in failing cities. So Pence was saying that THAT trade-off...THAT prioritization of "our" Ukraine agenda over putting money into US cities...wasn't his concern. That's pretty bad.
Tucker was criticizing our prioritization of Ukraine for US tax dollars. Focus on "tanks" obscures how bad Pence's statement was.
BTW, if Pence was really a "white hat", then why worry about his marketability as a Presidential candidate, anyway? I've seen ZERO scenarios where the good guys need Pence to continue from here. Why are you worrying about his marketability as a candidate?
Perhaps that's what he was thinking, but -WHAT- he said is what people will remember. Maybe it is an unfortunate gaff, but it will haunt him forever.
Unfortunate gaff is possible but it seemed more an intentional statement to create a specific impression
Might be. Particularly if people with an agenda promote it that way.
Pence is not a good communicator as shown in this instance. It's his fault that there is this back and forth about what he meant. Has there been anyone from his campaign come out and clarify his statement? I believe, like you, it wasn't what it sounded like. I was watching RAV at 7 last night, LFS6B. Their thought was he kept going into a campaign speech instead of just answering the questions. I agreed with them on that.
This is why I teach my children to parse sentences. I never even heard what everyone was up in arms about. Context matters.
He bombed that interview regardless of what he meant by that one comment. Honestly he surprised me. I had no idea he was that bad when given an opportunity to answer questions about himself and his ideas.
A lot of words to not say what he did mean. Either way doesn’t matter; he’s a gay fish.
Pence would have to be dumb to not clearly state his position. Or playing his part.
Is this surprising to you? People on this site constantly take things out of context and run with false accusations.