Early this week, I was challenged to provide a summary essay of the strong evidence against Andrew Tate that says he did commit Human-Sex-Trafficking. After four days of writing and researching and more writing, the essay is complete for your consumption.
-The Basics:
To lay down some foundation to this essay, I shall be using the AMP Model to determine if Andrew Tate has committed Human-Sex-Trafficking. The AMP model is defined in this PDF here and is pretty consistent with all applicable international legal standards. To quote the PDF, in case you cannot open it up:
The Action-Means-Purpose (AMP) Model is a device used to illustrate and articulate the federal definition of a “victim of severe forms of trafficking in persons,” contained in 22 USC §7102(8). For the corresponding criminal offenses, see 18 USC Chapter 77.
Human trafficking occurs when a perpetrator, often referred to as a trafficker, takes any one of the enumerated Actions, and then employs the Means of force, fraud or coercion for the Purpose of compelling the victim to provide commercial sex acts or labor or services.
At a minimum, one element from each column (on the table in the PDF) must be present to establish a potential situation of human trafficking. The presence of force, fraud or coercion indicates that the victim has not consented of his or her own free will.
Remember that under federal law, any minor under the age of 18 years induced into commercial sex is considered to be a victim of sex trafficking— regardless of any indicators of force, fraud, or coercion.
In addition, I will be referencing credible videos from other social media networks that support my claims. For videos that are rather big, I will put timestamps to the relevent parts. Also included in the evidence bank are official documentation with evidence that have been released by the Romanian authorities for public consumption.
-P = Purpose:
To start proving that Andrew Tate very probably, almost certainly, have committed Human-Sex-Trafficking, let's start with the easiest item to prove: purpose. Did Andrew Tate undertaken his actions with the Purpose of compelling the victim to provide commercial sex acts or labor or services?
The answer is yes, especially with regards to the part about providing commercial sex acts. Andrew Tate has committed his actions to force women to do commercial sex acts for his monetary gain, and we can gain all of that from his own words that are recorded on video, some of which are listed below:
“...To work on webcam for me... And that’s how I got rich.” (Time Stamp 0:22)
Also backing up the accusations are text-messages. This PDF is a transcribed order of the court, and within the document are transcripts of text messages retrieved from the phones of the victims, Andrew Tate, and his criminal co-defendants. Page 35 have some text-messages between one of the victims and Andrew Tate, with Andrew Tate outright confessing that the girls that the victim is staying with work on OnlyFans and TikTok pornographic content, and are generating significant amounts of money.
These pieces of evidence and more proves that Andrew Tate and his accomplices are committed their crimes and actions to force women to do commercial sex acts for their monetary gain, fulfilling the Purpose part of the AMP method. And from the dates on those transcripts, they are still committing these crimes up until several months ago when they are first arrested. It is likely that if they are not arrested at that time, then this crime will continue onward for a very long while...
I want to pay special attention to a very significant lie that Andrew Tate spouted during his interview with Tucker Carlson: the lie that he is being charged for “recruiting girls to make TikTok videos, and stealing money from the TikTok views.” From his videos, we know that he has done far more than just TikTok videos. He has a pornographic webcam business and last time I checked, TikTok is not readily considered to be a “pornographic webcam business”. From the transcripts, we know that he also have his girls do OnlyFans videos, and OnlyFans is practically a pornographic video site nowadays. In fact, the TikTok video part is practically only used to help advertise the more hardcore stuff, which is not on TikTok itself. This lines up with that I have read long ago: most pornographic businesses and sex workers do not place their main content on TikTok; they mainly use it as an advertising tool to lure people off the website and into their “juicy content” websites.
-A = Action, M = Means, and the Loverboy Method
The other two parts of the AMP model are Action and Means. Did Andrew Tate take any one of the enumerated Actions in that PDF’s chart to obtain or acquire women to compel into providing commercial sex labor? Did Andrew Tate employed the Means of force, fraud or coercion to compel into providing commercial sex labor? The answer to both is yes.
The two videos I have listed above have Andrew Tate confess on video that he recruited or induced women and girls into his monsters’ lair by seducing them on social media, making them feel that they have something special going between the two of them. He even mentioned “obtaining” by name during the second video. These confessions are backed up with witness testimonies and electronic communication transcripts obtained by the Romanian authorities and listed in the transcribed order of the court, whose PDF I have linked above. This is proof that Andrew Tate fulfilled the “Action” portion of the AMP model.
While the two videos listed above barely touched on the Means portion of the AMP model (that is admittedly debatable; maybe someone one else would see it better, and I might see it better after I am DE-stressed from this week’s stresses), the witness testimonies and electronic communication transcripts much better explain how Andrew Tate and his associated lured women over to their clutches via lies and fraudulent promises of marriage and family-creation, fulfilling the Means portion of the AMP model. Several times throughout that document, it was described that many of Andrew Tate’s victims were promised by Andrew Tate that they would get married and start a family in a foreign land, only to be then groomed into sex-work, reinforced by Andrew Tate and his accomplices emotionally manipulating the victims and sometimes committing or threatening acts of violence against them. All of this more than adequately fulfills the Means portion of the AMP model.
I want to shine special attention to the “loverboy method”. During his interview with Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate said that the loverboy method is “just being nice to girls”. However, he is either being obtuse or untruthful when he said that. Per this [website]:(https://www.carlsonattorneys.com/news-and-update/loverboy-andrew-tate)
The loverboy method involves a pimp, sex trafficker, or abuser targeting vulnerable, poor, and often young women with the impression of creating a romantic relationship. The loverboy will seduce the girls with kind gestures, love bombing, attention, and gifts. Everything about the relationship seems too good to be true. These people will try to make their victims believe that they can offer them a better life. They are deceived, only to be sexually exploited and abused later on.
In the two videos linked above, Andrew Tate describes his methods, which is pretty much textbook “Loverboy Method”. In addition, there is a third video where Andrew Tate also described his methods in greater detail, and self-incriminate himself as a user of the “Loverboy Method”. The court order’s annotated transcripts of the electronic communications help back up what was reported in the videos...
I want to make a special note about one of the girls Andrew Tate trafficked. From this video clip, Andrew Tate was talking about the girls in his possession. In that clip, Andrew Tate mentioned that one of the girls is “working” for him and within his webcam business for six years and she is now 21 years old. Doing some simple math shows that the girl is fifteen and a minor when she started, very probably sexual-in-nature, work for Andrew Tate. Per the AMP model PDF, the requirements to prove the means part of the model is wavered if a minor has been sex trafficked. That means Andrew Tate is very probably guilty of sex-trafficking this particular girl…
When all of this analysis and evidence is reviewed as a whole, then it is very probable, almost a certainty, that Andrew Tate and his accomplices has committed human-sex-trafficking...
-Concluding thoughts
Somewhat off-topic from the discussion to determine if Human-Sex-Trafficking has taken place, there is another special note I want to mention: I have learned that, recently, Andrew Tate’s more hardcore fans have taken a screen shot of some of the officially-released witnesses’ testimonies that paints a damning picture of Andrew Tate’s crimes, cropped and chopped up the testimony so it looks like the victims attempted to frame Andrew Tate, and tried to pass off the altered screenshots as the genuine items. Aside the absolutely disgusting nerve of them to attempt to lie and deceive like this to influence all of us, the plan would not work since it is easy to look up the original transcripts and testimonies, and see the whole picture.
You might be asking: why? Why I am so focused and intense about this issue with Andrew Tate? Well, as I have noted in the past few days, Andrew Tate is regarded a bit fondly by the majority within the MAGA, Q, and GAW social networks and influencers, including Catturd and il Donaldo Trumpo, two of the biggest influencers on Truth Social. I also get the feeling that the wider MAGA-body population is not that aware of the crimes Andrew Tate has committed. However, we, as of the semi-recent past, have become pretty hostile to human-trafficking of all kinds, especially of minors, to the point where movies that are hostile to human-trafficking, like the Sound of Freedom, are winning big over the groomer movies.
The hypocrisy our group as a whole seem to demonstrate is plain to see, and it is not lost to people who are outside the MAGA, Q, and GAW network. While nothing can stop what is coming, it can be indefinitely stalled for a long time if we take the wrong actions. I am really really concerned that Andrew Tate's human trafficking crimes, and the conservatives/MAGA/Q/GAW hypocrisy in "tolerating" his crimes while going after others like Epstein for the exact same crimes Andrew Tate committed will be our doom if we do not separate and disavow Andrew Tate from our midst…
Final thoughts: It would be wise to vet, exhaustively, our personal heroes and celebrities before we stand up and fight for them. Also, the enemy or our enemies are not always someone whom we want as our friend.
Nice research Anon. Apparently Tate is in here downdooting you. I'll fully admit that I don't know much about Tate or have any real opinion of him, but your last two paragraphs need to be burned into Anons brains. I have no problem admitting when I thought someone was a "good guy" and it turns out they weren't. There have been several. Bandwagons and echo chambers are real things that need to be kept in the front of Anons minds while discerning information.
Even DJT has endorsed bad actors - assuming that's by design then this process is training us to be discerning 100% of the time.
"Vet our personal heroes and celebrities before we stand up and fight for them". A process ignored by most people and one clouded by emotion and illusion. It illustrates that people want to trust that what they see and hear is real, and as kids they were not being taught to question. When the illusion is put forth by someone charismatic in their skill set or beautiful in appearance, they do cast a spell. MAGA frens can be susceptible. I have fallen for it myself, learning discernment. Andrew Tate is polished, to be sure.
Easier method: Don’t make anyone your hero. Agree with them when they say something you agree with. Disagree with them when they don’t.
It's important to vet and discern, but it's also important to look at who is prosecuting whom and in what fashion.
If Biden prosecuted someone for, say, corruption, wouldn't you be more readily willing to push back on that and believe that our own government inserted that evidence?
That's similar to what is happening with Tate. Corrupt people are attacking him, so it instantly discredits a lot of what they're saying.
Discernment comes after the fact, with a stronger lens and a fine toothed comb.
I always find it weird when people have heroes though, it always seems to set you up for a letdown.
Thanks for putting this together. Knowing what the worst accusations about controversial figures really helps get a good grasp of what the reality of the situation in.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I cut through everything in this write up, it all boils down to this:
And the entire thesis is that "AMP" model can be applied to claim that this constitutes Human Trafficking.
Correct me if I am wrong in understanding the overall narrative of this essay.
Now take a moment and consider these examples:
A woman pretends to love a man, users specific techniques such as seduction, pretending to be pregnant, getting pregnant etc (fraud) and makes that man love her (induce), and then causes that man to work overtime to earn extra money to buy her presents (Labor Services).
A company makes false claims about themselves (fraud) and hires people (recruit) and gets them to work for them (labor services).
The same arguments can be used to apply the same AMP method to both these example to make the case that they are involved in human trafficking.
This AMP is such a ridiculous construct, not even as hard to pierce as some of the more advanced constructs they use in family courts, mental health, law, medicine etc.
This is a very common technique used to create false equivalences towards two situations that causes some crazy conclusions:
When someone caught with weed - convincing people to treat them the same way as you would treat a mexican drug lord.
When someone lies/exaggerates a woman and sleep with her, convincing people using "consent arguments" to treat that person same a someone who grabs a woman into an alleyway and rapes her.
We can go on and on, but this is how the social gaslighting works.
Thanks for putting the facts together. I have never been a fan of Tate and can never watch him for more than a few minutes, but I am now more than ever convinced he is not a "Human Trafficker" even if he is a garbage human, let alone the same level as those depicted in SOF.
And no, anyone who cares of about SOF does not have to automatically denounce Tate to be exactly the same or else become a hypocrite, lol.
Oh, and don't worry about finding the sources for these clips. Even as clips without context, they fail to deliver what they promise.
And yeah, just so there is no confusion, Tate sounds like a garbage guy but his prosecution is definitely above and beyond anything - so I think the next dig needed is exactly why he is being targeted for Human Trafficking.
Excellent post friend, not a fan of this guy or really anybody besides Trump, but there are certainly more brutal/worse forms of human trafficking than is insinuated by the OP.
Are these women forced to continue this type of work, treated like slaves, not able to go out on their own, or physically abused/killed when they are of no longer any use?
According to Tate himself, a lot of these women from early webcam days went on to become millionaires. I havent see any of the women contradict it.
Yeah seems like a mountain out of a mole hill here. Thanks again for the contradictory opinion, was tough reading through OPs post because though it was definitely well researched it seemed like it was trying to force a point vs actual logic
Thought provoking perspective, appreciate it. However, the 15 year old cited would make him a trafficker in that situation. Pretty much same crime as Epstein.
Than-Q!!! Very nice write-up.
How this only has score of 6 - WITH my own doot just now - I have no fucking idea!
This should be deported for sticky but maybe in the morning when more eyes will be on it. I'll leave the tab open.
Yeah, it makes no sense. Either this is being throttled, or people were busy working today. Doesn’t make any sense.
Hey: u/propertyofUniverse
Can we get a sticky for this. This has been a hot topic the last few days, and OP has put a lot of effort into this. I think it would be great to have this front and center. Please and thank you.
Was it ever stickied? It's very well done.
Let’s try cats
u/catsfive
Can we get a sticky for this post. It’s very well done, and was promised on the general chat a few days back. It’s not getting the views we think it should get. Please and thank you. I tried another mod, but I haven’t heard back.
Well like I say if it IS stickied, I'd like it to be during tomorrow's morning hours, not late now unless it's set not to expire in 2h or something. I'm leaving tab open and was planning to request sticky tomorrow (the proper way btw is deport -> reason "other" -> "request sticky" or similar).
Makes sense!
Lovely, thanks for that, a great bit of analysis. Tart is not much at all, just an immature famefag, grifter and bacon bonce.
Thank you for doing this. It takes guts to go against the biases of the groups you are a part of but in order for a true awakening we must stop playing one-sided games and focus on truth, regardless of who it affects.
Wow. Definitely love it and thank you so much, Andrew Tate is an embarrassment for real men (our MAGA men). This is the kind of person who is destroying the most valuable thing in men I like the most which is manhood.
A bit of a post-script to my essay above: during my writing of this essay, there has been significant developments within the social-media circles. First is this video, showcasing and debunking the lies Andrew Tate told Tucker Carlson.
https://twitter.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1680496714179051520
This video is going viral, with more than 9 million views so far as of time of writing this post-script. It has caught significant attention, and there have been a couple predominate conservative voices (Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro) who weighed in to voice their disgust.
https://twitter.com/ApostateProphet/status/1681460393724485632
I anticipate further developments that damn Andrew Tate soon enough.
There is also an allegation that Andrew Tate was creeping on minors within his Romanian area, with possible intentions of recruiting them into sex-work.
https://twitter.com/Avalon1l/status/1681570555709759491
Not exactly sure how accurate this is, but it looks VERY bad for Andrew Tate and his accomplices...
You lost me with shapiro and peterson. I was with you until clowns said " tate bad" now i like him again.
Here’s a video of him - stating himself but he’s trafficking women. But you do you.
https://twitter.com/ApostateProphet/status/1672037634246410243
You missed my point
So, a couple of "conservative clowns" said "Tate Bad" and all of the probable serious crimes and immorality the Tates committed just evaporated from your memory?
Also, you can look around Twitter and other sites to see that there are a ton more conservative personalities that now oppose Tate. Not just those two.
They aren't conservative and signsl controlled opposition so raise my suspicion on their choosing to speak out.
If you haven’t looked at any of the evidence, then you are in fact, a kid fucker enabler. At the very least.
People will still stand around, when there is so much evidence in this thread, and other side of been posted that tape is a human trafficker at a pedophile.
The only people who have "seen the evidence" are the prosecutors and defense. You are judging him as the puppet masters want. Keep pretending as if you are privvy to some special inside access to the case and smearing his name down into your own personal hell.
Ps. My own personal Hell would be if I was being trafficked buy him. But I’m not stupid enough to actually listen to him and think he has anything important to say.
I posted the actual indictment. Seriously? I’m sorry you can’t read.
Hey man, since you like internet challenges. I challenge you to write an essay where you provide a summary essay of the strong evidence for Andrew Tate that says he did NOT commit Human-Sex-Trafficking. Who wants to bet you won't take this challenge? Now we see who is who here, jackoff.
This entire thread is literally what you’re asking for. Why would I do it twice? I’m amazed at how stupid people are. All the evidence is right there in front of you in this entire post. If you choose not to look at it that you’re right. Have a great day.
Thays a stupid reply. You missed the point
No, you’re stupid because you don’t even wanna hear the truth. I don’t care about Jordan Peterson, or the other guy. Whatever his name was.
You’ve missed the point. Andrew Tate is a sex trafficker. Wake up.
I don’t like Shapiro or Peterson either, but something isn’t automatically good just because they’re disgusted by it. Your argument is an inverse of the appeal to authority fallacy, plus a variation of guilt by association.
Nor did i claim that to be true. I meerly stated that by ending his fact based intro with that clause, he was not helped by and but rather turned off this reader by using two clowns that i think are suspect as further proofs, but they arent. He departed from evidence and said "look they agree too" followed by naming 2 clowns.
u/catsfive Can we try this today? With the sticky? OP put a lot into this., And it’s been quite a topic of interest. Please and thank you.
This is fantastic. I had listened to that one video that was three hours, long, and everything that you have noted in that video is true. Andrew Tate is a horrible human being. I only pray that he either changes his ways and accept Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. Other than that, there’s really no hope for him. Allah is not going to save him. However; it does make sense he just recently became a Muslim. They love to subjugate their women. It’s a perfect religion for him. Well done. 👏👏👏👏
I am very confused by the comments here. The Tate=Bad camp have clearly shown his actions in a straightforward way, including that the one girl working for him was 15 when she started. The Tate=Good camp says he's being targeted, and that what he did wasn't that bad.
Meanwhile we're all here arguing while something else is going on behind the scenes I'm sure. Isn't that how distractions always work?
Honestly if the “Tate Good” people actually read the whole post, they would realize there is undeniable proof and would stop parroting recycled, inapplicable talking points.
The hypocrisy is (or should be) obvious from within our community as well. We're willing to turn a blind eye into the crimes of people on our side and then scream about commies and leftists ignoring their own crimes. Tate is a piece of shit and I've never understood why people listen to or likes him.
Knight, glad this got some eyes on/doots. I deportstickied this morning and a mod got to it right away. Great writeup, saved.
Agree or disagree, this is a high effort post.
I honestly have no idea who Andrew Tate is, i.e. in terms of why he is paid so much attention to. I see tangentially of the massive campaign to defend his character by many, and I'm not sure why that is.
The two video clips from the twitter links by OP are the first time I've seen him and heard him speak. All I can say is that is one slick dude, like too slick. Gives off the exact same vibe of certain types I've known in my life, and this type is to be avoided at all costs imho. The best I can describe it is someone who is intensely measured and steady on the surface but you can tell with a twinkle in the eye and a sub tone in the voice and body language he is able to generate a ton of unnecessary drama, pain, conflict, without much effort.
That's especially disturbing in context of him working in the sex entertainment industry.
So my honest question is, what is so indispensable or unique about him that he's getting defended tooth and nail to be a strong voice in the great awakening?
If anyone wants to know about Andrew Tate and their hobby is judging people, you can go watch his content and learn about him directly from the source to judge his character.
Don't let some internet essayist do the thinking for you.
There is plenty of lengthy interviews Andrew Tate gives. It is easy to judge for yourself his character if you take the time to understand someone.
If you don't take the time, keep your mouth shut. Your opinion isn't yours. It is someone else's.
The people who understand things understand how the entire system is used to silence people. This essay is just another attempt to keep people quiet about a GOOD MAN.
There is an interesting line of thought that if Tate can't manipulate women by taking advantage of their natural inclinations in order to make himself rich then women should not be able to manipulate men in order to enrich themselves. The debate about manipulating people should cut both ways. However, if he did so with under age girls, then he can serve as booty call in prison.
Right, because Tate is always going to tell you the truth and never fail to admit less than savory tidbits about him.
Everyone is biased toward portraying themselves in the best possible light. No one is going to admit to being a sec trafficker unless their brain is as fried as Biden’s.
But you didn’t even take the time to read the post, and telling people to keep their mouth shut.. How about you start taking your own advice before giving it?
Hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha. *points directly in your face and laughs. Hhahahahahahahahahahahah!
What an idiot.
The average logic of Tate supporters, ladies and gentlemen.
Even if Tate isn’t a trafficker, this is enough evidence to conclude that he is a garbage human being, and that his “conservative values” are a sham.
Tate is an asshole. When his TikTok bullshit came up about what? 2-3ys ago? I thought: you're a fucking fake asshole. This opinion never changed.
Excellent piece. I don’t know much about the guy. If he’s clean and on the side of good, right on! If he’s a POS human trafficker he deserves to rot 🤷♂️.
I wonder if, using this logic, every pornographer in the world, and anyone who profits off of it, can be accused of the same crime. Anyone who even suggests a women attempt to make money in the porn industry as well!
I would hope so.
I believe there was a discussion either her or on PDW about whether digital IDs should be used to regulate porn viewership, especially blocking it from kids.
This tactic would be a good way to ban porn at the source, without invasion of privacy.
It's a stupid strategy, since it's almost trivial to bypass every form of internet control ever devised.
We need to stop porn at the source. Hang them all. Let the internet remain open and free, and just go after those who would use that freedom to create and distribute porn.
If he tricked woman into caring for him and then they worked for him making porn, makes him an ass and a pimp maybe, but human trafficker?
I don't see why it's A-OK to exploit women for sex as long as you don't move them across borders.
Really, the "trafficking" part of human trafficking isn't the big deal for me. It's using people to make money by pressuring them to compromise their morality that makes me upset. Hang them all, I don't want to live on the same planet as them.
Although, international law being what it is, I can see why we have to have a trafficking element. If you do it in the US, you are subject the laws of the state you did it in. If you cross state borders, you are subject to US federal laws. If you cross US borders, you are subject to US immigration and export/import federal laws. So you can't get the feds involved until you start moving across borders.
Andrew Tate just seems like the type of rich guy who would pay for play.
I get it now, Top G is the biggest pimp!
Can we apply AMP model to Biden?
Do you have a link to the indictment?
He’s a Muslim that drinks alcohol and says to escape the matrix by buying overpriced cars. Can’t trust anything he says IMO
Tate is noise not signal. Ive ignored the entire situation.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Women fall in love with him, and then he offers them a job which they happily accept.
I see no crime committed.
Prosecute and get convictions. Till then fuck off with your bullshit.
It’s easy enough to accuse anyone of anything.
I want to see some heads on spikes. If you don’t have a head on a spike, fuck off.
Wtf is this drivel. Tate is innocent and being framed for helping young men
It sounds like their complaint is that Andrew Tate sweet talked some girls into doing some TicToc videos. Tate says he never got paid from TicToc. It doesn't seem to me like he did human trafficking, but his prosecution is part of thr Globalists' attack on masculinity.