Muslims should not be able to impose their laws on anyone including other Muslims. The US is a not a Muslim country. It's a republic and a place of religious freedom, which includes the freedom from any particular religion where it imposes itself.
NGL, I'm down with Christian nationalism. The only problem is which denomination of Christian? Which is where the freedom if religion actually came from. You're free to practice any denomination of Christianity, but not meant to be a Chistian/muslim/Buddhist/jewish/whatever society.
Where does the US Constitution mention anything about Christianity at all, much less that it is the only religion allowed?
And if that is what it was supposed to mean, why are there no laws outlawing other religions? Why have other religions been able to be practiced here, since before America was a free country?
When I was in school as a child, freedom of religion, was always spoken about by my teachers in the context of the various Christian denominations. There was never mention of any other faith. Only Christianity.
What people can't understand, or won't understand, is that "religion", in our founding documents, means Christianity.
Everything else was pagan, heathen or false religion.
People take our current inclusive use of the word "religion" and read it back into the founding documents. The founders had no interest in establishing anti-Christs like Judaism or Islam. They would have viewed that as madness upon which you can't build a nation.
Utterly not true, the freedom to believe what you want to believe and practise whatever religion is a jed pillar of all great empires. America took the torch to be that bastion of freedom and has kept it alight and will continue to do so. The extremists of said religion will forever be chasing an evil outcome. No matter the evil and it's existence it's important good never stoops to the level of evil, forbidding or persecuting. Sometimes this leniency can come as a weakness, which i believe is the current crisis of America. Don't be mistaken though those who fight for the bastion of freedom will always win win eventually.
Side note:
Of coarse there are evil freemasons. If there's one thing Q has taught is everything isn't so black an white, more a mix of the two. but you bet there are some god fearing absolute amazing characters who are masons sacrificing it all for this bastion of hope.
My personal experience, my personal opinion and what alot of us in my hometown believed growing up. The reality is Ben Franklin was a member of the hellfire club and partook in orgies. Thomas Jefferson was a deist and George Washington was a Freemason and alot of the big powerful American families that "built" America are luciferians and part of the cabal we talked about regularly today.
Ok...and it never crossed any of your minds that nowhere in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence, or Bill of Rights does it talk about Christianity?
Did you never look around and wonder why there were all those Jewish temples, and Islamic mosques, and Buddhist temples, and so on if freedom of religion was only for Christians?
If the Founding Fathers was full of people from the Hellfire club and Deists and Freemasons, why would they have gone to the trouble of giving Christians such privileges?
It seems like a hell of a lot of people weren't thinking things through very well.
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."
Thank you. I’m so tired of these people trying o shove their 7th century thinking down our throats. They must be resisted always, till the last breath.
There's nothing in our non-corporate Constitution that protects the laws of foreign countries. Why do they take it personally? Islamic countries aren't likely to honor the laws of the US there, so what's the issue?
People just want to pick fights is all, and those people are (imo) soulless, NPC minions doing what they've been programmed to do.
They think they can bully us into accepting their non-assimilating ways.
I’m not angry at all, and do suspect that a law written on paper is not going to actually help much if the population shifts to where power can just override the written law anyway.
I typed in The Bible and Bill of Rights into Brave and a nice AI generated answer popped up:
The Bible has had a profound impact on the development of Western philosophy, politics, and law, including the United States Bill of Rights. While the Bill of Rights is a secular document, its principles and concepts are rooted in biblical values and ideas. Here are some key connections and influences:
Natural Law: The Bible teaches that God has endowed humans with inherent rights and dignity (Genesis 1:26-27, Psalm 8:4-5). This concept of natural law is echoed in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, which recognize the inherent rights of individuals, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Separation of Powers: The biblical concept of triune Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) influenced the separation of powers in the Constitution, with its three branches of government (legislative, executive, and judicial).
Protection of Individual Rights: The Bible emphasizes the importance of protecting the weak and vulnerable (Exodus 22:22-24, Psalm 82:3-4). This concern for individual rights is reflected in the Bill of Rights, which guarantees protections against government abuse and ensures the rights of all citizens, regardless of social status or position.
Limited Government: The Bible teaches that government derives its authority from God (Romans 13:1-7) and should be limited in its power and scope (Deuteronomy 16:18-20). This idea of limited government is central to the American system, as embodied in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Inalienable Rights: The Bible speaks of rights that cannot be taken away, such as the right to worship God (Deuteronomy 10:12-13) and the right to life (Genesis 9:5-6). The Bill of Rights recognizes similar inalienable rights, including freedom of religion and the right to life, liberty, and property.
Influence of Christian Thinkers: Many Christian thinkers, such as John Locke, Thomas Aquinas, and James Madison, drew heavily from biblical principles and ideas when developing their political theories. These thinkers’ works, in turn, influenced the drafting of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
And inalienable rights are supposed to apply to everyone, even non-Christians. So in a nutshell, that's what it means when you read or hear someone say the USA is a Christian nation. Not to mention the first pilgrims came over to practice Christianity away from the established deep state and the American holiday Thanksgiving is a Christian holiday. Like the whole reason why all our ancestors came over and made this place what it was, was for Christian freedom.
When people bring up "America is a Christian nation" in conversations, it's not in the tone of "Hey, America has lots of traditions from Christianity!"
No, it's always in the tone of "America is a Christian nation, so what we say goes!"
So it comes across as people thinking that Christianity has more power in the US than other religions.
If that is something you agree with, why, then did the Founding Fathers included the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment?
Are any of those things exclusive to Christianity? No.
Go look up the Code of Hammurabi. It's all in there, and that predates the Bible.
Yes, Christianity has had much influence on our country. So has Theism. Go look at how many of our Founding Fathers were Theists. Theism is not the same as Christianity.
Other religions have also left their mark. Especially Judaism.
So, while Christianity has greatly influenced our country, it is not exclusively a Christian nation.
I would be interested in knowing what things that are exclusive to Christianity is included in those reasons.
Because I can pick and choose from so many religious texts and come up with the same values the the AI bot has spit out for you.
I would not say Hammurabi's code written in the time of ancient Babylon was something the founders aspired for their constitution. Sure it was a set of written rules which was revolutionary for the time, but these rules were not fair at all by our standards. For example, if a doctor accidentally killed his patient during an operation the doctor would lose his hand. Not to mention there were different standards of justice for different classes of people.
Go look at how many of our Founding Fathers were Theists.
Lol, I think you mean Deists. And that narrative reeks of Marxist propaganda to me. Can you prove they were Deists by citing from some of your 'many religious texts' that you are so well versed in?
You're right, I did mean Deists. Thanks for catching that.
Many of our own laws from the Founding Fathers were considered unfair as well. Especially that whole slavery thing.
The many religious texts had to do with laws from other religions, not with which of our founders were Deists.
I'm sure that your research skills are adequate enough to find information on Deism among the Founding Fathers. But off the top of my head, have you ever read Thomas Jefferson's version of the Holy Bible where he removed the parts about Jesus Christ performing miracles and other parts that he considered part of the supernatural?
I'm sure that your research skills are adequate enough to find information on Deism among the Founding Fathers.
So I looked up Deism and this is the definition from Wikipedia: Deism is the philosophical position and rationalistic theology[5] that generally rejects revelation as a source of divine knowledge and asserts that empirical reason and observation of the natural world are exclusively logical, reliable, and sufficient to determine the existence of a Supreme Being as the creator of the universe.[11] More simply stated, Deism is the belief in the existence of God—often, but not necessarily, an impersonal and incomprehensible God who does not intervene in the universe after creating it,[8][12] solely based on rational thought without any reliance on revealed religions or religious authority.[13] Deism emphasizes the concept of natural theology—that is, God's existence is revealed through nature.[14]
So I think you are trying to make the argument that the founders are not Christian and did not intend for this country to be founded on Christian values? According to this definition, Deism is a philosophy, not a religion. Why can't the founders be both Christian and Deist (aka view the bible from a rational/logical viewpoint)?
The Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence use words like "Divine Providence" and "Creator" and you believe they were referring to a non-denominational, catch all type God? Not to mention the subsequent states constitutions that were formed thereafter. 44 out of 50 of them use words like the "Almighty God", etc.
But the biggest question I would have for you is if religion or Christianity meant so little to the founders, why did they even mention God at all in their works?
I think our Founding Fathers wanted religious freedom, and deliberately worded our founding documents to reflect that.
I think that they looked at one of the main reasons why people first came to the country (fleeing religious persecution) and wanted to avoid that.
I think while many of them were from Christian backgrounds, they chose to not make this a theocracy.
People seem to have the impression that because most of our Founders were Christian that they had no choice but to make this a theocracy based on Christianity. It's like it's inconceivable to them that Christians were capable of putting their own religious beliefs aside for the formation of this country.
If they had intended for this to be a theocracy based on Christianity, they had every opportunity to do so. They could have stated it outright.
But they didn't do that. They went to all the trouble of not mentioning Christianity anywhere in our founding documents and the one time they referenced any sort of deity, they chose to make it as generic as possible and calling it "the Creator" and not "God" or "Yahweh" or "Allah" or "Ganesh" or "Thor".
While this is certainly giving preferential treatment to monotheism, it doesn't in any way state which god people want to worship. And they mentioned a Creator simply because the vast majority of the population was (and still is) religious, and religion factored greatly in their lives. It was simply important to them.
You really want me to go through the Bible and point out the bits that are impractical or oppressive?
Seriously? I don't have the time. But just to give you a place to start in your own research into that, start with all the dietary rules, then the rules about not wearing clothing of blended fabric, women not speaking in church.
If you’d like, per my comment, which was not intended to demean you, but to emphasize that I see them as blessings that encourage life and health, I can walk you through, from a largely secular stance, why those things are important, how it’s “amazingly coincidental” that God commanded those things as such, and how it would be incredible if those things had just been known to be beneficial to us at the time, by some sort of random understanding of some ignorant slaves just walking around in the sand, rather than from divine ordinance from the One who designed us.
I am of firm opinion that in the same way that we are trying to uncover the truth of what’s actually going on here, other truths were revealed long ago.
Ironically, all those things you cited as “oppressive Christian practices” are rejected by most of modern Christianity as “legalistic and not in line with grace” - making it amazingly ironic that the “oppressive” practices you cited, correctly, as Christian are rejected by modern Christianity.
You really think America is a moral nation? What does that even mean, practically speaking?
Do you think the majority of America displays the morality you're describing?
And if not, then what? They're not Americans? Do you want them kicked out of the country? Have voting rights taken away?
I think that when people say America is a "Christian Nation" or whatever it is you think constitutes a "Moral Nation" is just some ideal in your head. You wish everyone was like you, or followed whatever morality you want them to.
It's not really a thing, practically speaking. It just exists in your head.
Ok...so, just to be clear, you've abandoned the "We're a Christian Nation" stance, and then went with "We're a moral nation" (whatever that means) and now it's about adhering to the principles of the Constitution.
So does this Constitution stance mesh with the Moral Nation stance, or have you abandoned that one as well?
But, yeah, following the Constitution is great. 🤷♀️
YES!!! The whole Sharia law religion angel is a Trojan horse. YOU CANNOT HAVE TWO MASTERS. You are an American in America one nation under God. The rule of law. Not well sometimes this law or set of rules but sometimes that set of rules. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Pay attention this Sharia law is bullshit. It's a scam and you are falling for it. BTW, " WE HAD TO KILL OUR SISTER" To save her soul, because she didn't want to be forced into an arranged marriage. Go back to your sand lot if this is how you want to live.
As far as marriage, a woman can have only one husband, but a man can have up to four wives. As for worship, a Muslim who leaves the faith is to be killed, and as far as finance, a female heir inherits only half of what a male inherits. These are just a few examples of orthodox Sharia law.
For certain crimes, such as theft, blasphemy, and adultery, traditional interpretations of Islamic law prescribe punishments that are considered draconian compared to those in most modern legal systems. Among them are the hudud punishments, which include stoning, lashing, and amputation.
women are property of the man. the man can beat and maim her and nothing is done. i've seen pictures of the "melted" faces of wives who the husbands threw acid on.
No and we want to keep it that way. There should not be two sets of rules for two sets of people. For example in India, there are religion-specific civil codes that separately govern adherents of different religions. There are separate codes of law for Muslims, Christians, and Hindus that deal with divorce, inheritance, and other civil matters. You may think this is fair, but it is very antithetical to western viewpoints to impose separate sets of laws on people living in the same country.
We don't have separate laws for separate people. That's the issue.
Nowhere in the US is it legal to do any of the things that's been mentioned here.
It's like people hear the word "law" in Sharia law, and they think it's actually legally accepted or required here. It's not.
It's like saying "Jewish law" or "Christian law". It's just some standard cultural practices that people of a given religion generally live by. And it's not a universal belief. All Christians don't believe the same thing, do they? It also doesn't mean people won't expect to follow the laws of the land they live in. It just means they have to decide if their religious beliefs outrank their freedom and/or life.
For an example, there have been Christians who have shot and killed abortion doctors because they think it went against God. Did they expect to get a free pass because it was a religious killing?
How does sharia law view religious conversion? Conversion by Muslims to other faiths is forbidden under most interpretations of sharia and converts are considered apostates (non-Muslims, however, are allowed to convert into Islam). Some Muslim clerics equate this apostasy to treason, a crime punishable by death.
If they want to adhere to Sharia Law, then they can go to a country that honors Sharia Law. If they want to live in the US, then they need to honor US law.
The danger is that if we do not produce more children (and they continue to birth 5 or 6 children), then in twenty years, the majority can legislate sharia law as amendments to our Constitution.
The Muslim community in Texas has caught sending out Sharia Cops in uniform...with official looking vehicles that that could be confused with law enforcement, badges, side arms. So yes it's a good thing, either that or we send in The Lone Mormon...
I support it 100%. If the Muzzies want to live under Sharia Law, they can move back to Pakistan, or whatever other 'stan they came from. Europe may be bowing to Islam, but that IS NOT going to happen in America!
I'm all for freedom of religion, but I really think Islam should be declared a terrorist organization. If you go over to the Muslim countries, you will find that their religion is very much intertwined within their governments. They can do that in their country, but that is not acceptable in the United States of America. As St. Thomas Aquinas would have said: "Let them be anathema!"
Yes, you can’t have multi groups making their own laws. If someone wants Sharia law, they need to move to a country that recognizes Sharia laws, same goes for other forms of law.
Yes, I support this approach,
Muslims should not be able to impose their laws on anyone including other Muslims. The US is a not a Muslim country. It's a republic and a place of religious freedom, which includes the freedom from any particular religion where it imposes itself.
Why would this ever be debatable?
Exactly...👌🙏🏻
Ban the people that use Sharia law in our country.
Marxists.
NGL, I'm down with Christian nationalism. The only problem is which denomination of Christian? Which is where the freedom if religion actually came from. You're free to practice any denomination of Christianity, but not meant to be a Chistian/muslim/Buddhist/jewish/whatever society.
Where are you getting that idea?
Where does the US Constitution mention anything about Christianity at all, much less that it is the only religion allowed?
And if that is what it was supposed to mean, why are there no laws outlawing other religions? Why have other religions been able to be practiced here, since before America was a free country?
When I was in school as a child, freedom of religion, was always spoken about by my teachers in the context of the various Christian denominations. There was never mention of any other faith. Only Christianity.
What people can't understand, or won't understand, is that "religion", in our founding documents, means Christianity.
Everything else was pagan, heathen or false religion.
People take our current inclusive use of the word "religion" and read it back into the founding documents. The founders had no interest in establishing anti-Christs like Judaism or Islam. They would have viewed that as madness upon which you can't build a nation.
Utterly not true, the freedom to believe what you want to believe and practise whatever religion is a jed pillar of all great empires. America took the torch to be that bastion of freedom and has kept it alight and will continue to do so. The extremists of said religion will forever be chasing an evil outcome. No matter the evil and it's existence it's important good never stoops to the level of evil, forbidding or persecuting. Sometimes this leniency can come as a weakness, which i believe is the current crisis of America. Don't be mistaken though those who fight for the bastion of freedom will always win win eventually. Side note: Of coarse there are evil freemasons. If there's one thing Q has taught is everything isn't so black an white, more a mix of the two. but you bet there are some god fearing absolute amazing characters who are masons sacrificing it all for this bastion of hope.
It's historicly true. What you're saying is 20th century pluralism read back into history.
Ok. Are you just sharing your personal experience, or do you think that what your teachers said was in fact true?
My personal experience, my personal opinion and what alot of us in my hometown believed growing up. The reality is Ben Franklin was a member of the hellfire club and partook in orgies. Thomas Jefferson was a deist and George Washington was a Freemason and alot of the big powerful American families that "built" America are luciferians and part of the cabal we talked about regularly today.
Ok...and it never crossed any of your minds that nowhere in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence, or Bill of Rights does it talk about Christianity?
Did you never look around and wonder why there were all those Jewish temples, and Islamic mosques, and Buddhist temples, and so on if freedom of religion was only for Christians?
If the Founding Fathers was full of people from the Hellfire club and Deists and Freemasons, why would they have gone to the trouble of giving Christians such privileges?
It seems like a hell of a lot of people weren't thinking things through very well.
There cannot be two separate bodies of law in a free society.
You are a wise man, my friend.
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."
This👆
What a stupid question! Fuck Sharia law and the horse it rode in on. If you don’t like it go back to the desert and hump goats.
Yup go fuck the goats
The goats: "We goats are going Second Amendment."
wish i could up vote you 100x's!!
you are free to worship as you like but you cannot change our laws. if they want sharia, def go back to whatever place that supports it.
Thank you. I’m so tired of these people trying o shove their 7th century thinking down our throats. They must be resisted always, till the last breath.
"They must be resisted always, till the last breath."
Forcefully if necessary.
Yes absolutely without second thought.
I don't remember Madison or Jefferson working Sharia Law into the Constitution.
I support banning sharia "law" altogether. And deporting those who practice it.
Yes. Constitutional law trumps all. They are free to LARP their beliefs in their own home. That's true freedom anyway.
I wonder if they will turn the other cheek or just start blowing stuff up?
Religion of peace, or religion of pieces.
nah, they will just cut your head off if you slap them, or throw acid in their wives faces and legally rape their children.
Aliboom Snackbar! 72 Demons await you, welcome.
There's nothing in our non-corporate Constitution that protects the laws of foreign countries. Why do they take it personally? Islamic countries aren't likely to honor the laws of the US there, so what's the issue?
People just want to pick fights is all, and those people are (imo) soulless, NPC minions doing what they've been programmed to do.
They think they can bully us into accepting their non-assimilating ways.
Not happening.
Should not have to be said. But since it does need to be said I support it.
Where do you think Muslims can kill people in the US and not be charged?
Right now? Nowhere, probably.
In a few years?
How long did it take the UK and French cities to develop their no-go zones?
Large sections of the Middle East (allegedly) previously had large Christian populations.
You're angry about something that has not happened. We already have plenty of laws banning all the scary stuff you're imagining about Sharia law.
I’m not angry at all, and do suspect that a law written on paper is not going to actually help much if the population shifts to where power can just override the written law anyway.
Exactly!
Well eating people and marrying 9 year olds is indeed illegal, so...there you go.
Also, what do you mean when you call the US a Christian nation?
Does that mean only Christians can live here? Do Christians get preferential treatment? Are laws set up to benefit Christians over non-Christians?
I typed in The Bible and Bill of Rights into Brave and a nice AI generated answer popped up:
The Bible has had a profound impact on the development of Western philosophy, politics, and law, including the United States Bill of Rights. While the Bill of Rights is a secular document, its principles and concepts are rooted in biblical values and ideas. Here are some key connections and influences:
Natural Law: The Bible teaches that God has endowed humans with inherent rights and dignity (Genesis 1:26-27, Psalm 8:4-5). This concept of natural law is echoed in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, which recognize the inherent rights of individuals, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Separation of Powers: The biblical concept of triune Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) influenced the separation of powers in the Constitution, with its three branches of government (legislative, executive, and judicial).
Protection of Individual Rights: The Bible emphasizes the importance of protecting the weak and vulnerable (Exodus 22:22-24, Psalm 82:3-4). This concern for individual rights is reflected in the Bill of Rights, which guarantees protections against government abuse and ensures the rights of all citizens, regardless of social status or position.
Limited Government: The Bible teaches that government derives its authority from God (Romans 13:1-7) and should be limited in its power and scope (Deuteronomy 16:18-20). This idea of limited government is central to the American system, as embodied in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Inalienable Rights: The Bible speaks of rights that cannot be taken away, such as the right to worship God (Deuteronomy 10:12-13) and the right to life (Genesis 9:5-6). The Bill of Rights recognizes similar inalienable rights, including freedom of religion and the right to life, liberty, and property.
Influence of Christian Thinkers: Many Christian thinkers, such as John Locke, Thomas Aquinas, and James Madison, drew heavily from biblical principles and ideas when developing their political theories. These thinkers’ works, in turn, influenced the drafting of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
And inalienable rights are supposed to apply to everyone, even non-Christians. So in a nutshell, that's what it means when you read or hear someone say the USA is a Christian nation. Not to mention the first pilgrims came over to practice Christianity away from the established deep state and the American holiday Thanksgiving is a Christian holiday. Like the whole reason why all our ancestors came over and made this place what it was, was for Christian freedom.
I also wanted to add:
When people bring up "America is a Christian nation" in conversations, it's not in the tone of "Hey, America has lots of traditions from Christianity!"
No, it's always in the tone of "America is a Christian nation, so what we say goes!"
So it comes across as people thinking that Christianity has more power in the US than other religions.
If that is something you agree with, why, then did the Founding Fathers included the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment?
Are any of those things exclusive to Christianity? No.
Go look up the Code of Hammurabi. It's all in there, and that predates the Bible.
Yes, Christianity has had much influence on our country. So has Theism. Go look at how many of our Founding Fathers were Theists. Theism is not the same as Christianity.
Other religions have also left their mark. Especially Judaism.
So, while Christianity has greatly influenced our country, it is not exclusively a Christian nation.
I would be interested in knowing what things that are exclusive to Christianity is included in those reasons.
Because I can pick and choose from so many religious texts and come up with the same values the the AI bot has spit out for you.
I would not say Hammurabi's code written in the time of ancient Babylon was something the founders aspired for their constitution. Sure it was a set of written rules which was revolutionary for the time, but these rules were not fair at all by our standards. For example, if a doctor accidentally killed his patient during an operation the doctor would lose his hand. Not to mention there were different standards of justice for different classes of people.
Lol, I think you mean Deists. And that narrative reeks of Marxist propaganda to me. Can you prove they were Deists by citing from some of your 'many religious texts' that you are so well versed in?
You're right, I did mean Deists. Thanks for catching that.
Many of our own laws from the Founding Fathers were considered unfair as well. Especially that whole slavery thing.
The many religious texts had to do with laws from other religions, not with which of our founders were Deists.
I'm sure that your research skills are adequate enough to find information on Deism among the Founding Fathers. But off the top of my head, have you ever read Thomas Jefferson's version of the Holy Bible where he removed the parts about Jesus Christ performing miracles and other parts that he considered part of the supernatural?
So I looked up Deism and this is the definition from Wikipedia: Deism is the philosophical position and rationalistic theology[5] that generally rejects revelation as a source of divine knowledge and asserts that empirical reason and observation of the natural world are exclusively logical, reliable, and sufficient to determine the existence of a Supreme Being as the creator of the universe.[11] More simply stated, Deism is the belief in the existence of God—often, but not necessarily, an impersonal and incomprehensible God who does not intervene in the universe after creating it,[8][12] solely based on rational thought without any reliance on revealed religions or religious authority.[13] Deism emphasizes the concept of natural theology—that is, God's existence is revealed through nature.[14]
So I think you are trying to make the argument that the founders are not Christian and did not intend for this country to be founded on Christian values? According to this definition, Deism is a philosophy, not a religion. Why can't the founders be both Christian and Deist (aka view the bible from a rational/logical viewpoint)?
The Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence use words like "Divine Providence" and "Creator" and you believe they were referring to a non-denominational, catch all type God? Not to mention the subsequent states constitutions that were formed thereafter. 44 out of 50 of them use words like the "Almighty God", etc.
But the biggest question I would have for you is if religion or Christianity meant so little to the founders, why did they even mention God at all in their works?
I think our Founding Fathers wanted religious freedom, and deliberately worded our founding documents to reflect that.
I think that they looked at one of the main reasons why people first came to the country (fleeing religious persecution) and wanted to avoid that.
I think while many of them were from Christian backgrounds, they chose to not make this a theocracy.
People seem to have the impression that because most of our Founders were Christian that they had no choice but to make this a theocracy based on Christianity. It's like it's inconceivable to them that Christians were capable of putting their own religious beliefs aside for the formation of this country.
If they had intended for this to be a theocracy based on Christianity, they had every opportunity to do so. They could have stated it outright.
But they didn't do that. They went to all the trouble of not mentioning Christianity anywhere in our founding documents and the one time they referenced any sort of deity, they chose to make it as generic as possible and calling it "the Creator" and not "God" or "Yahweh" or "Allah" or "Ganesh" or "Thor".
While this is certainly giving preferential treatment to monotheism, it doesn't in any way state which god people want to worship. And they mentioned a Creator simply because the vast majority of the population was (and still is) religious, and religion factored greatly in their lives. It was simply important to them.
What parts of the Bible are impractical or oppressive?
Not religion, because we would agree on that one.
You really want me to go through the Bible and point out the bits that are impractical or oppressive?
Seriously? I don't have the time. But just to give you a place to start in your own research into that, start with all the dietary rules, then the rules about not wearing clothing of blended fabric, women not speaking in church.
If you’d like, per my comment, which was not intended to demean you, but to emphasize that I see them as blessings that encourage life and health, I can walk you through, from a largely secular stance, why those things are important, how it’s “amazingly coincidental” that God commanded those things as such, and how it would be incredible if those things had just been known to be beneficial to us at the time, by some sort of random understanding of some ignorant slaves just walking around in the sand, rather than from divine ordinance from the One who designed us.
I am of firm opinion that in the same way that we are trying to uncover the truth of what’s actually going on here, other truths were revealed long ago.
Ironically, all those things you cited as “oppressive Christian practices” are rejected by most of modern Christianity as “legalistic and not in line with grace” - making it amazingly ironic that the “oppressive” practices you cited, correctly, as Christian are rejected by modern Christianity.
You’re not helping your case!
Note that it was in the temple, not in church. Two different things, and for specific reasons and contexts.
Yes absolutely...what? I can't tell which of my posts you're responding to.
You really think America is a moral nation? What does that even mean, practically speaking?
Do you think the majority of America displays the morality you're describing?
And if not, then what? They're not Americans? Do you want them kicked out of the country? Have voting rights taken away?
I think that when people say America is a "Christian Nation" or whatever it is you think constitutes a "Moral Nation" is just some ideal in your head. You wish everyone was like you, or followed whatever morality you want them to.
It's not really a thing, practically speaking. It just exists in your head.
Ok...so, just to be clear, you've abandoned the "We're a Christian Nation" stance, and then went with "We're a moral nation" (whatever that means) and now it's about adhering to the principles of the Constitution.
So does this Constitution stance mesh with the Moral Nation stance, or have you abandoned that one as well?
But, yeah, following the Constitution is great. 🤷♀️
If they cannot adapt to US customs, laws and learn our language- there is nothing useful to offer.
Just parasites to feed off the host.
YES!!! The whole Sharia law religion angel is a Trojan horse. YOU CANNOT HAVE TWO MASTERS. You are an American in America one nation under God. The rule of law. Not well sometimes this law or set of rules but sometimes that set of rules. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Pay attention this Sharia law is bullshit. It's a scam and you are falling for it. BTW, " WE HAD TO KILL OUR SISTER" To save her soul, because she didn't want to be forced into an arranged marriage. Go back to your sand lot if this is how you want to live.
so if we allow sharia law in America, what other nut job laws will other immigrants want to bring in? it's our country, you go by our laws or leave.
What do you think Sharia law is? I mean, give some examples.
Where do you think those laws have ever taken precedence over other laws we have?
look it up.
I know what it is.
I'm asking you what you think it is.
As far as marriage, a woman can have only one husband, but a man can have up to four wives. As for worship, a Muslim who leaves the faith is to be killed, and as far as finance, a female heir inherits only half of what a male inherits. These are just a few examples of orthodox Sharia law.
For certain crimes, such as theft, blasphemy, and adultery, traditional interpretations of Islamic law prescribe punishments that are considered draconian compared to those in most modern legal systems. Among them are the hudud punishments, which include stoning, lashing, and amputation.
women are property of the man. the man can beat and maim her and nothing is done. i've seen pictures of the "melted" faces of wives who the husbands threw acid on.
what more do you want from me??
Ok, where is any of that legal in the US?
No and we want to keep it that way. There should not be two sets of rules for two sets of people. For example in India, there are religion-specific civil codes that separately govern adherents of different religions. There are separate codes of law for Muslims, Christians, and Hindus that deal with divorce, inheritance, and other civil matters. You may think this is fair, but it is very antithetical to western viewpoints to impose separate sets of laws on people living in the same country.
We don't have separate laws for separate people. That's the issue.
Nowhere in the US is it legal to do any of the things that's been mentioned here.
It's like people hear the word "law" in Sharia law, and they think it's actually legally accepted or required here. It's not.
It's like saying "Jewish law" or "Christian law". It's just some standard cultural practices that people of a given religion generally live by. And it's not a universal belief. All Christians don't believe the same thing, do they? It also doesn't mean people won't expect to follow the laws of the land they live in. It just means they have to decide if their religious beliefs outrank their freedom and/or life.
For an example, there have been Christians who have shot and killed abortion doctors because they think it went against God. Did they expect to get a free pass because it was a religious killing?
How does sharia law view religious conversion? Conversion by Muslims to other faiths is forbidden under most interpretations of sharia and converts are considered apostates (non-Muslims, however, are allowed to convert into Islam). Some Muslim clerics equate this apostasy to treason, a crime punishable by death.
Ok, so where is it legal for them to kill anyone in the US?
Everything you've listed here is already illegal.
You are missing all the points.
It’s not legal now, and it was codified that it can’t become legal later.
Go check how many masjids are in some area to see why anyone might be concerned about it.
If they're not going to respect the law where it is already illegal, why would they respect it being codified as well?
not if certain places within the USA allow them to have Sharia Law.
acc'd to the headline, Texas is banning Islamic Sharia law throughout the state. so muslims want to bring Sharia law here.
what is it that either you or I am not getting? they cannot have Sharia law in this country.
What do you not get about it being nonsensical to make new bills to ban things that are already illegal?
Where in the US do you know that is planning to make murder and polygamy and assault legal?
Anything unconstitutional won't work here and is already not allowed, whether it's religious or not.
If they want to adhere to Sharia Law, then they can go to a country that honors Sharia Law. If they want to live in the US, then they need to honor US law.
Islam is a political as well as religious system, so yes it is our right to decide.
The danger is that if we do not produce more children (and they continue to birth 5 or 6 children), then in twenty years, the majority can legislate sharia law as amendments to our Constitution.
This is their actual strategy
The Muslim community in Texas has caught sending out Sharia Cops in uniform...with official looking vehicles that that could be confused with law enforcement, badges, side arms. So yes it's a good thing, either that or we send in The Lone Mormon...
Anyone that pulls that needs to be thrown in jail for impersonating a police officer.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Such a law shouldn't even be needed, but whatever works.
I support it 100%. If the Muzzies want to live under Sharia Law, they can move back to Pakistan, or whatever other 'stan they came from. Europe may be bowing to Islam, but that IS NOT going to happen in America!
I'm all for freedom of religion, but I really think Islam should be declared a terrorist organization. If you go over to the Muslim countries, you will find that their religion is very much intertwined within their governments. They can do that in their country, but that is not acceptable in the United States of America. As St. Thomas Aquinas would have said: "Let them be anathema!"
Beware, Be Aware, the Noahide Laws.
Yes. Go back to the middle east You savages. Take the gays for Palestine with you.
Yes. The US Constitution is the SUPREME Law of the land!
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1847475340332937216/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/yf-T85_-gKgs0Gf9.mp4
Well done Texas!
Yes
The US Constitution is the self-proclaimed "highest law in the land". It supersedes international treaties, UN guano, and most emphatically Sharia.
I support it.
Muslims in the US can follow whatever religious laws they want, as long as it doesn't go against us law.
Don't wanna eat pork? Believe dogs are unclean, men seeing your hair is haram, and Allah dislikes booze?
Cool. You do you.
Think you need 4 wives? Sorry, bigamy laws overrule your religion. Think you can divorce your wife by speaking? No dice.
Absolutely!
There can only be one supreme law of the land.
Absolutely!!!
Yes, you can’t have multi groups making their own laws. If someone wants Sharia law, they need to move to a country that recognizes Sharia laws, same goes for other forms of law.
There should be no other law of the land of the United States other than our own law, period. They want sharia? Then they go home.
I have many times said the goal of liberalism is to implement Sharia. Between a two pronged attack: social progressives and Christian fundamentalists.
Texas is a step ahead, every state needs to pass this legislation!!