Thou shalt have no other gods before me
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I'll likely burn in hell for laughing..but that's frigging funny!🤣😂
Hell is real but eternal torment isn't truly supported by the biblical texts. In other words, enjoy a hearty chuckle 🤭
Lake of fire?
Hell is separation from God. We usually visualize Hell as a lake of fire because eternally burning in fire is one of the most painful things we can imagine. It is not close to the true pain of separation from God and thus all that is good, but we cannot really fathom that.
True, but my statement holds. The Bible describes it like that because that's the best way for God to translate the concept of what happens into very limited human language.
Well said. Our concept of Hell as a "lake of fire" comes from what is probably the best way to describe the anguish of eternal separation from God to 1st century people. Just like you couldn't explain quantum physics to people 2000 years ago (or many people even today), there had to be an effective metaphor, even though it's limited to the concept of one's corporeal self. Coming into the presense of God and being judged eternally after one leaves their physical body is probably more anguish than we who live in this plane of existence can comprehend, so the idea of physical pain was given to get the point across.
I think this is a really well-expressed explanation of the fact. I wish more people understood this point.
Anyway, on that note, regarding the pain of hell:
The physical universe is a reflection of, and modelled on, the spiritual universe.
Here in earth, our physical selves (aka our bodies) require warmth, light, air + nutrition, food, water. Our bodies bring these together to burn the fuel, generate energy that allows us to act, to simply exist (keep our bodies running) and even multiply.
This reflects the design of the human spirit: to grow and be healthy, our spirit selves (aka our minds & hearts) require God's grace, God's truth, God's love + spiritual nutrition and healthy relationships.
The spiritual energy generated by the actions we live and perform with our own volition and effort are in essence, our spirit's source of nutrition. Don't act, become spiritually malnourished.
But there is a two-edged sword in this principle. Bad actions generate a sort of spiritual toxin, the wages of sin. Satanic spirits gravitate and resonate with those toxins. Conversely, good actions generate a spiritual energy that our spirits need to grow and develop, mature.
The purpose of our earthly life is to grow our spirit, our hearts, our minds, so that they are fully mature and capable of fully giving and receiving God's love as expressed by God and by ourselves and others. In this sense, love is like air, the oxygen of the spirit world.
Sin limits our God-given ability to grow our hearts and minds. Those that live evil lives develop, not naturally but in a twisted, distorted way, due to the spiritual toxins within their spirits. This is the origin of demonic spirits.
In spirit world, those that do not develop their God-given heart cannot breath love. Love is painful to them, so being in God's presence is incredibly painful to them. For those that Do develop their hearts, and have grown the capacity to breathe (in and out) love, the spiritual regions inhabited by those that survive on toxins is incredibly difficult. Like being submerged under water or in a vacuum, where no love is present.
The air of the spirit world is love. God's love is the source of all other loves - parental love, children's love, sibling love and conjugal love.
Heaven is where those who can freely give and receive God's love dwell in the spirit. Hell is the place where those who cannot receive or give God's love exist in the spirit.
In my view, however, the "eternal" question is one of perception. In the spirit, there is no past, no future, there is only the eternal "now". This is why there is "eternal life" - the state of being in the full presence of God, being able to function properly in the spiritual sense, and truly love. "Eternal death" is the state of being separated from God, unable to function normally and having to survive or exist in an atmosphere of poisonous spiritual toxin every moment.
However, in God's grace, at some point, all those originally from God must return to God. Those who have been destroyed and distorted by sin will need to be restored back to God at some point. In this sense, eternal does not mean "for ever". It means, in that state of being transcendent of time and space. In my view.
I completely agree. Our view of the universe is limited to our linear, temporal existence. This is what is ridiculous about staunch atheists who are convinced there is no God, stating stuff about scienctifc evidence, etc. Science is the observation of time, space, and matter. The very first sentence of Genesis assures us that God's existence is something we cannot fathom. "In the beginning (time), God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter.) God is therefore not bound to these three factors we draw from to understand our universe. God apparently existed before these factors, so God's existence is completely unfathomable to our primitive minds. Even in Ecclesiastes it's said that no human could even assume to grasp God's true nature, or everything "under the sun." Science cannot explain how our ancestors echo through us somehow. DNA cannot explain how my daughter could make a funny face that I hadn't seen my wife make since well before she was ever born and hasn't made since. And there is something profound in how these sick elites gain power from negative energy, with their fearporn media and human suffering, why they have even gone so far as to forbid singing in churches because somehow viruses transmit more from singing (whatever...). They want to squash the powerful, positive energy of love that comes from the united focus of worship. It's probably also why they spend so much energy to try to discourage us "Qtards" from having hope. Every video by X22 I see on Bitchute is littered with trolls who have nothing better to do than to park their ass on each of his videos and spam their crap constantly. I'm kind of reminded of the "mood slime" from Ghostbusters 2.
Thanks Steve.
My only caveat on what you write would be that in fact, humans have an aspect that is also transcendent of time and space; we are more than mere flesh. So we CAN experience and even fathom God. At least, we are designed to do so. That's proved by the reality of Jesus Christ.
However, as you point out, the issue is that God transcends time and space and matter, so yeah, OF COURSE they cannot verify, detect or evaluate God via time, space and material means.
However, the view I subscribe to is that our flesh and spirit were designed to be one, by our growing (without sin) to maturity. The problem is, Adam fell, his offspring came under Satan's control and sovereignty, in which God cannot intervene for certain reasons, so that for us, in the state of sin, our spirit and flesh have never achieved the intended unity.
Even after salvation? Well, yes. That's because the salvation through the cross is a spiritual salvation. Jesus offered up his body in our place so that our spirits could be released in order to return to God's sovereignty. But our bodies continue under Satan's rule. And that's why Christ must return; to complete the adoption process so that not only our spirits, but also our bodies are adopted back into God's lineage and removed from Satan's dominion.
When that takes place, with Both spirit and flesh restored back to God's dominion, our spirits will be able to mature fully as originally intended, and then both the realm of spirit AND the realm of flesh will come under God's sovereignty. At that point, science will evolve to include the reality of the spiritual world (which operates on natural law, God's principles, and perfectly, just as much as the material world does), and we will come to understand the reality of spirit just as clearly as we understand thru science today, the reality of atoms, molecules, particles, matter, biology, etc.
In other words, in the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, science and faith will become perfectly united as two sides of the same coin, just as our spirit and our flesh, both under God's sovereignty, will be in harmony, with no room for sin (or the devil) to creep in and create division within us. Word will equal action, belief will equal experience.
If you read 1st Corinthians and also Romans from the perspective outlined above, it can open up and entirely new dimension of understanding, faith and then heart.
Keywords: adoption, flesh, law of sin, wretched man, etc.
Who is Paul known by? By the Father and by the Son. On that day, Paul will know fully, even as (much as) the Creator and Christ fully know him! His understanding will be raised to that level.
Is for correction unto repentance, not torture without recourse.
I guess Jesus' sacrifice means nothing then. The saints are made clean by His blood, Hell is reserved for those sinners who do not repent. These are facts.
Something to ponder, fren:
https://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/restitution/mostfoolishquestion.htm
Why do you think Christ died on the cross? Do you think it was only for those who would believe on earth?
"For God so loved the world..."
The fact that He died so that all men would be saved is somehow lost on you people. It comes from a fundamental misunderstanding as to what hell really means and what it is.
Not sure what Bible you are reading, but eternal torment is in the Bible. Maybe you should read it more.
Surely the question is not what is in the Bible, but HOW we understand what is in the Bible. We each, after all, have limited understanding, and it would be both foolish and arrogant to think that "what I understand now is perfectly right and can never change". Even Paul said:
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.…
He's providing the example that each man or woman has experienced: growing up. But he is pointing to the future: Now, you and I see like THIS. THEN, we SHALL see like THIS.....
He saw very clearly that our understanding of God's truth via the Scripture is destined to become full in the future.
For example, take the question of "eternal". In the spirit, there is no past, no future, there is only the eternal "now". This is why there is "eternal life" - the state of being in the full presence of God, being able to function properly in the spiritual sense, and truly love. "Eternal death" is the state of being separated from God, unable to function normally and having to survive or exist in an atmosphere of poisonous spiritual toxin every moment.
However, in God's grace, at some point, all those originally from God must return to God. Those who have been destroyed and distorted by sin will need to be restored back to God at some point. In this sense, eternal does not mean "for ever". It means, in that state of being transcendent of time and space.
What Scripture says that those that departed and turned away from God, must at some point be returned to Him?
Thanks 45. It's a good question. Here are a few that certainly indicate that.
Personally, I believe that before one reads scripture, one should pray for discernment and insight. Everyone has a different approach, but for me, scripture cannot be properly appreciated and understood without the insight of the Holy Spirit (aka in rapport with God's heart and spirit).
All nations. One might interpret this as metaphor - "all nations" = most nations, or all nations but not all people, but a nation is made up of its people.
The world. Can God save the world if part of the world is condemned forever?
It says here that the Lord is not willing that any should perish. Doesn't this mean, that if some perish, the Lord's will is not done? How else could we interpret that? Yes, the Lord wills that none perish, but if some do, too bad? The Lord doesn't really will that none perish. He's OK with cutting his losses?
Again, all. Can we interpret "all" in the scripture simply to actually mean "a large part of" or "at least half"?
In my understanding, the real issue here is that in the past, scholars, theologians and certain believers have not been able to logically reconcile their literal interpretation of "eternal" punishment, fire, damnation, with the scriptures that indicate very strongly that ALL will in fact be saved at the end of the salvation process. Therefore, they went with the more literal (and limited) understanding, and abandoned the scriptures that disagreed with that view, choosing to interpret those scripture .... conveniently (in a way that supports their literal understanding). It's understandable, psychologically, but as Paul very clearly stated: "NOW we see darkly, THEN we shall see clearly".
We do the best we can with what we can understand at the time. But unless we have an open heart and open mind so that God can upgrade our understanding of His word, we can easily become bogged down and rigid in clinging to our limited understanding (naturally limited, because our faith is not mature and perfect).
Wasn't this exactly what Paul was indirectly guiding us to understand in 1 Cor 13:11? If we are growing, then our understanding of should also grow. Am I growing in the Lord? My understanding of God's word should be growing (deepening) year to year. If my understanding is static, then is my faith also static? do I have the name of being alive but am I actually dead?
The child's understanding is not bad; it's appropriate. But in natural development, we have to recognize that growth, including growth in faith, growth in heart, and growth in the spirit, involves a constantly developing understanding, when we put aside previous understandings and are open to a more mature view.
All things.
Who? The Lord. What is his will? that all men be saved. Will the Lord's will be done, or not?
Every.
To reconcile the scriptures of eternal damnation and the scriptures that all will in fact be saved and restored to God in the end, we have no real choice but to logically understand "eternal" as in fact referring to the state of being beyond time and space, which is the realm that God the Father himself resides.
Otherwise, we must choose to interpret the scriptures that indicate all *** and every *** as being merely metaphorical, and not literal at all.
Isn't understanding the "'eternal" as referring to that life and/or suffering in that transcendent realm beyond time and space far more consistent with the perception of a loving parent who would never abandon any child. If God is actually willing that, in the end, some get saved, but some are discarded or relegated to a constant suffering without any recourse, what kind of love is that? Wouldn't God be in constant pain then too?
An immature child might think things work that way (cutting your losses, too bad for those that screw up), but a truly loving parent who would sacrifice everything he owns in order to rescue his child would never think that way, in my opinion.
Anyway, that's my faith and that's my conviction. Just sharing here in the hope that through the exchange of faith and understanding, we both (all) may grow closer to Him (and each other).
Be well, fren.
KJV, ESV, MKJV. I've done a thorough study of OT four times and the NT seven times. Perhaps you should heed your own advice.
Amen! Even some who think they will be heading to heaven to abide with God will be rejected. Narrow path and all.
“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’” Matthew 7:21-23
Is religion the only thing you care about?
Define "believe."
There is no sense in punishment if you don't intend to give the punished a second chance. The point of punishment is to discourage future bad behavior. The existence of hell, if you have to stay for eternity, proves that God is neither just or fair. If hell is real, and God loves us all, he wouldn't make anyone stay there for all eternity. No one is evil enough to deserve to suffer for eternity. No one.
Sounds great. So given free will, a man decides to worship darkness and as icing murder and torture children. Uuhhh...pretty sure those don’t get a pass.
Maybe they have to work their way through the circles of Hell, poetry style
Can’t be good. They’ll PAY.
Oh of course they'll pay and they won't stop
Where did you get that idea, lol? I'm serious. Punishment is only to coerce better behavior? What about simply for the sake of punishment? When the treasonous are hung, they will hang until they die, not until they promise to do better. That is their due punishment.
What about deterring others from doing the same bad things?
Fear of hell is not enough to get someone into heaven. Punishment may deter crimes, but what is in your heart is what is in your heart.
It depends on HOW one interprets or understands the scripture. Literal interpretation is often favored by those who find it challenging to grasp the symbolic or metaphorical meanings. Jesus taught in parables for a reason.
Re: "Eternal"
If one understands that in the spirit, there is no past, no future (these being inherent properties of the material world aka space), there is only the eternal "now". This is why there is "eternal life" - the state of being in the full presence of God, being able to function properly in the spiritual sense, and truly love, beyond time and space. "Eternal death" is the state of being separated from God, unable to function normally and having to survive or exist in an atmosphere of poisonous spiritual toxin every moment, beyond time and space.
In this sense, eternal does not mean "for ever". It means, in that state of being transcendent of time and space.
PS.
OK. I get it. If this doesn't resonate with you, I'd move on. But I think you are mistaking "analysis" with understanding and clarity. Just because something is explained clearly, doesn't mean its intellectual or not true. All I am doing is explaining what I understand, through experience over a lifetime, of the reality we live in. If you pray on this topic, perhaps you will be guided.
Either way, may His grace reside with you.
What a fear-based response. This is not what God wants. He wants understanding of truth truth faith, love and hope, not fear.
Sorry to say it, but can't you see how incredibly arrogant this stance is? how do you KNOW what meanings the writings were trying to convey? Because theologians told you? Or teachers?
I do agree, caution, diligence and honesty are required. But if you approach this topic from fear, fear and limitation is what you will get.
Why not make an earnest trusting prayer to God, plead with Him, earnestly, nto from fear but from longing to know the truth, longing to understand what He wants you to understand, rather than from being fearful of doing wrong?
How passionately, how sincerely do you desire to understand God's truth? More than your desire to eat? More than your desire to rest? Have you ever shed tears in prayer in earnestly longing to understand the truth he has hidden in the scripture, so that you can stand even one step closer to Him, and love him even one iota more sincerely?
Indeed, one MUST pay attention to not being motivated and driven by one's ego, or pride, or by wanting things to be as you see them for your own benefit. Of course. But you need to understand God's heart. He loves you. if you trust Him, fervently, would he lead you astray?
Again, this is the responsibility God has given to you, only you, and no one, not even God can do it for you. You have to go to him, you have to invest the heart, prayer, love and effort to hunt down and understand how GOD understands the scripture, what HE is trying to say to you (and me) through scripture. This cannot be done merely through dogma, or theology, or just reading it and deciding what's good enough for you. It requires your honest and trusting and verfent heart.
And if you cannot trust your own heart, why should God trust you? If you cannot trust your own heart, then repent, shed tears, and ask God to guide you so that eventually you CAN trust your own heart, because God is living in it and guiding you through it.
On that day, when you read the scripture, God will speak to you directly through your heart and give you wisdom and understanding.
You bring up an interesting point. Perhaps I needed to be a bit more forthcoming concerning my position. I'm not associated with the people that I'm linking but I'm in full agreement with them.
On Biblical definitions:
www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/restitution/meaningforever.htm
On the reconciliation of all things and God's salvation plan:
www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/restitution/reconciliation.htm
On the state and fate of hell:
https://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/state-and-fate-of-hell.htm
An entire link section for the subject:
https://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/restitution/index.htm
Take it or leave it but certainly thought-provoking. Happy reading, fren.
Thanks Queef.
I took a glance through, and probably won't be able to read much. Suffering a lot from information overload these days. But what I gleaned in the brief skimming seems certainly consistent with (by and large) the view that I subscribe to.
Perhaps expressed in this one idea? God is a God of love, a parent, the Father of love. Could God be happy knowing that any of his children were suffering under Satan's thralldom? How about any loving human parent? If their son or daughter were captured by sex slavers, and forcibly addicted to heroin, and kept as a sex slave in a tortured state, would you rest easy? Forget it? How much less the Father, whose heart and love for his children is 100 times, 1000 times stronger and more passionate that any human parent?
What about "cut them off"?
The reality of God's great love is that although the process may take time, although it may be long and painful (and it IS painful to God), God's purpose and intent is the restoration of ALL things back to him, in the end.
How can anyone not understand that this man was a drugged out criminal...
In this upside-down world villains become heroes.
I agree. I got my haircut today and several of us in the place were discussing exactly that.
I just said in another thread that my nail tech last night told me she did his baby mama's nails after hours, charged her $200 to come in after hours. Nail lady said the family is flush with cash.
Wasn’t it like, 27Million payday? Probably more...smh
I know right ??
They understand. It’s just that they’re also drugged out criminals.
All in all, it's just a-nother brick in the wall.
I don't know man, those bricks don't look like they're in the wall anymore to me.
I'm surprised that no one is out there trying to reassemble the thing.
The symbolism seems to fly right over their heads so give it time. I'm sure it's coming.
Our God is a just one. Seems He also has a sense of humor.
Exactly!
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100%
No false idols!
DIVINE JUSTICE.
I am very happy that this happened. Shatters The Illusion the fake news pumped. God wins....always.
A missing part recently found in excavations says : "Goes doubly so for methheads"
Best thing I’ve seen. GOD WINS.
Fucking lol... That's outstanding!
LOL KARMA...from the hand of God!
This meme gives me so many lolz
This is the funniest thing I've seen in a while!
FLOYD = LIPS
High quality memory
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And he saw that it was good.
https://youtu.be/VyYCz0LUYuw
Maybe somebody can help me out with this: is that a brick wall (with windows) that was covered up by a brick wall?
I'm not a construction expert, but HUH? Why is this a thing? I didn't know this was a thing.
facade is the word you are looking for.
Thank you. My question is now why install a brick facade over a brick wall? If one didn't like the windows, why not brick them up rather than building the whole wall facade? And why the same material?
usually, the answer is appearances. and sometimes, getting away with things (i.e. people will assume the brick they see inside is the same brick they see outside)
I would have. Never would have thought otherwise. You learn something new every day.
Face brick is installed over a much thicker and coarser wall.
Because it is prettier and blocks the windows?
Looks like they put up the face brick just for the mural.
And the probably took some shortcuts attaching it to the original brick wall.
Ah, OK. That makes sense; it didn't look like it was attached to the building well. I am not in construction, but it was just weird. Thank you for taking the time to let me know.
Looks like a DEW did that Sending a message to the Dems
I wish to confess that faith has never been easy for me. I am a "doubting Thomas" whose life experiences have made it impossible to trust. The inability to trust affects every aspect of life as you cannot trust anything anyone says. It's worse than having no legs.
Is that supposed to be an image of God? Did you just photoshop a pedophiles face onto an image of God?
This is disgusting.