Funnily it was already removed by the mods, thats how fast we cleanup such violent crap. But the good thing is, now we know another sleeper shill account.
We had tons of sleeper shills on Voat. Certain topics would be broached and within minutes, 2 or 3 year old accounts with no history would start commenting. Either AI bots or shill farm.
There's a lot of shills out here. I've seen and called out some parading as "religious men of God" who hate their 14 year old done gayness and want to send him to pray the gay away camp. Called him out and eventually he got banned.
Shills will spend their precious limited time on this earth pretending to be the people they hate, only to champion themselves on a website full of strangers and get that "sweet sweet karma."
Well, it's still a crime isn't it? Either they made the terrorist threat or they did not. If it was a fed doing fedboi work, then it was entrapment and that's illegal too. Maybe it won't amount to anything, but the report is still filed. There's still evidence a crime was committed. Let them cover it up. Another crime. The longer the paper trail gets, the harder it is to cover it all up.
For what it’s worth, I looked into the issue from my end after seeing the post here. I temporarily locked the post on Reddit while I looked into the post history of both users.
I am not convinced they are the same person. I have spoken with the Reddit user and it sounds like they were doing what a lot of people do and was sorting by new. Your GAW user is pretty well established and it seems like a stupid amount of work to put into for no real outcome (although, given how I have seen firsthand the lengths people will go to for trolling against my sub, I can’t say it’s impossible).
I don’t consider this suspicious from my end after looking at it. But thanks for keeping an eye on the sub for me. If I see any evidence my conclusion on this is wrong, I can reevaluate.
As I said, the mods from this end are welcome to do their own investigation. If they find evidence that the GAW user was actually an infiltrator and connected to my sub, I will reevaluate my conclusion.
I feel like the half hour I spent digging through two random post histories on Zeitreise’s hunch to be sufficient, considering that this type of behavior would hurt GAW more than my own sub.
Believe it or not, I do actually care about keeping this place civil and diplomatic.
The times don’t change once they’re opened, so a screengrab proves nothing. It only proves that the topic window had been open for X minutes at the time they were opened. It does not prove that both windows were opened at the same time.
You can get a better measure by mousing over the time in the GAW thread, mousing over the time in the Reddit thread, doing a time zone conversion, and then subtracting.
I got a little over 3.5 minutes when I compared it this way (if I recall correctly, so feel free to double-check) which is plenty of time to read it, screenshot it, and post it to Reddit. People sorting by new would have seen it quickly, and I think most people visiting here sort by new.
That being said, even that time difference isn’t certain, because I don’t know that Reddit uses precisely the same clock as the communities.win websites. If the clocks aren’t exactly the same, then the time difference could be shorter or longer.
The fact is that the screenshot can’t prove both windows were opened at exactly the same time (which, when we’re talking about a difference of only two minutes, is a necessary guarantee).
And I can’t definitely prove the clocks between GAW and Reddit are consistent, but at least you can verify the times empirically on your own this way and don’t have to take my word for it.
But 3.5 minutes is all the hard evidence I have that can be verified by you guys. Anything less than that is me just taking u/Zeitreise at his word, and I really can’t make mod decisions based on taking people at their word.
If there is hard evidence that proves a time different than the 3.5 minutes established by the Reddit and GAW posting signatures, I have not seen it.
Mouse over the word "hour" to see when the post was made to the second. You'll see this: 22:42:14 GMT. For those who don't do military time, that's 10:42 and 14 seconds PM, GMT time. If you have a different time zone, then use a converter.
Now, mouse over the word "hour" to see when the post was made to the second. You'll see this: 22:45:42 UTC. For those who don't do military time, that's 10:45 and 42 seconds PM, UTC time. UTC is the same time zone as GMT.
Since the time zones are the same, we can just subtract the time.
According to the data you provided, there was a difference of 3 minutes and 28 seconds between the GAW post and the Reddit post.
Which is... exactly what I already said. I may have said it was a few seconds over 3.5 minutes, but your sources in no way contest anything I've said here.
The Reddit screenshot show that it was made when the GAW post had been up for two minutes ("2 minutes ago"). So that means 1.5 minutes to press a screenshot button, to open a Reddit app, and to click "upload."
So... yeah. The short time difference was suspicious. But I can see the time difference as 3.5 minutes by the source you provided.
I didn't see any obvious similarities between the posting styles between the accounts despite looking for about half an hour. I didn't see anything in either account that was suspicious for the type of account they were holding.
I didn't see how the daily investment u/Oasis5150 has in the GAW account over the last month could possibly be worth a single uninteresting Reddit screenshot.
It's certainly not a compelling case when the single piece of evidence you have is an explainably short difference in the posting times and an unwavering belief that real Q people will not get frustrated enough to post like Oasis did. I don't ban people based on your hunches and an exaggeration that is disproved by the very source you offered.
Which you've done before.
I'm not taking further actions based on your hunches. I investigated, I spoke with the user, I dug through post histories, I established my rationale using hard numbers provided by YOUR sources.
And all this in the interest of GAW, since Reddit certainly wouldn't have been harmed by any of this.
I've done more than my part. As I always seem to do when interacting with you.
I don't need them to. I didn't have to respond at all and could have let you spin your wheels on this boringly by yourself. Nothing here affected Reddit in the least.
If you want to insist that I spent all this time and work humoring you just because I am secretly laughing at you for other social media (which... I don't actually have...), then I'll let you continue to work that out.
I was watching the first Q posts on 8chan, and I have more than enough invested here to justify my desire to keep this community stable and to engage with you respectfully.
I don't agree with Q on a lot of things, but I know he wanted thinkers, not zealots. Thinkers are allowed to look at evidence and disagree. Zealots are not. You need to reevaluate which role you're deciding to play here.
I remember it being a little further than only two minutes, more around four or five when I was comparing. It was still close enough to be suspicious which is why I looked into it.
Unfortunately, both threads have rolled into the one hour mark and I can’t see the minute difference anymore, at least from my phone.
I’m pretty sure the picture was just screenshotted on a phone and uploaded directly as an image. That takes about fifteen seconds.
We banned you because you were a one-man brigade by creating hundreds of accounts just to slam them against the ban filters and pour anger into the mod mail. Your mods should do the same thing if they were dealing with that kind of poppycock, and they do, thankfully.
I would not accept a fake post on the sub, and have removed fake posts based on evidence collected here before. If you can find evidence that you are correct, I can reevaluate, but the evidence is not strong enough just because it’s suspicious.
Sometimes there actually are innocent explanations for suspicious events. Your mods don’t take actions based on hunches, and neither do I. I am willing to look at new evidence provided by you or your mods but am not going to ban someone based solely on your disbelief that you have a genuinely frustrated user.
All I can say is that the hatesub crowd has a long history of infiltration into other communities. They do this for three main reasons:
Troll/Shill/Slide/Subvert
Provide content for their own sub (cross posting) to keep roping along the few legitimate users they have conned
Dismantle. They successfully took down the various Q, Pizzagate, Spirit cooking, and other research & truth seeking subreddits via organized manipulation. E.g. Create sleeper accts. Create posts that violate a litany of rules (calls for violence, etc), then self report to admins. And voila! Instant take down of a problematic community that goes against the desired NPC narratives.
Anons know all of this and have witnessed it for years, even predating Q. It wasn't until 2016 that they really ramped up their strategies.
This is why I think we should have a blanket rule of no cross posting to the hatesubs. Not even image shares. It just prods them to continue their pitiful roles. If we flat out ignore them, the intensity of their methods may fade. The glow will never stop, but refusing to acknowledge them will dampen the shine, and their spirits.
nice seeing posts like this stickied showing people that this does go on. tried telling people for years that they create their own hate/racist posts to make groups look bad.
Only the screenshot was taken 2 minutes after the post was made here. Then, the OP here saw the reddit post 4 minutes after they posted it. It doesn't mean they were posted two minutes apart. If OP here could find the 4 minute old post on Reddit, people can and do see posts here minutes after they're made. This doesn't prove anything except that the reddit person took a screenshot two minutes after the post, and OP here took a screenshot 4 minutes after the reddit post was made. Could easily ask why OP here found that Reddit post so quickly, it's the same line of thinking.
There are many ways to express our anger. If we chose the way of threatening violence, we are falling right into their trap in two ways. First, by allowing to portray us as violent. Second, letting our anger cause divisions and negativity, which is their primary goal in subverting our society. Both ways, they win.
If you are looking for sympathies for being able to eat free unlimited popcorn and watch unlimited amount of movies, well you came to the right place. I feel sorry for you :)
*convicted pedophiles. Non offenders need help and support to get through and control their affliction. There is a case for "minor attracted persons" in that someone seeking help for their fucked up attraction doesn't deserve the stigma.
Obviously this doesn't apply to people trying to normalize and make their attractions okay. They do in fact deserve the stigma and scorn.
It's not that I agree. I just disagree with the fact most like to fall back on Q telling them not to fight so theybcan feel better about their fear of doing it.
You likely wouldnt fight if Q told you to. Most wouldn't.
I read it and walked away. Something wasn't right.
You all have helped me hone my senses! ;)
Funnily it was already removed by the mods, thats how fast we cleanup such violent crap. But the good thing is, now we know another sleeper shill account.
I wish the 3 letter agency's acted as fast and precise as y'all do!! Anons on top of the task as always .💥
I don't. Then we'd be screwed.
Ha! Fraggin' Ha!
We had tons of sleeper shills on Voat. Certain topics would be broached and within minutes, 2 or 3 year old accounts with no history would start commenting. Either AI bots or shill farm.
There's a lot of shills out here. I've seen and called out some parading as "religious men of God" who hate their 14 year old done gayness and want to send him to pray the gay away camp. Called him out and eventually he got banned.
Shills will spend their precious limited time on this earth pretending to be the people they hate, only to champion themselves on a website full of strangers and get that "sweet sweet karma."
Yeah report the FBI to the FBI. Makes perfect sense.
I really want to try sending an email to that adress with a delivery and read receipt. Surefire way to get on a list though.
Probably already am on a list though. Tough decision.
Well, it's still a crime isn't it? Either they made the terrorist threat or they did not. If it was a fed doing fedboi work, then it was entrapment and that's illegal too. Maybe it won't amount to anything, but the report is still filed. There's still evidence a crime was committed. Let them cover it up. Another crime. The longer the paper trail gets, the harder it is to cover it all up.
2 mins ago. 0 comments. 1 vote and it's a downvote. Got promptly removed.
Sounds like headline material for CNN.
Glowies gotta glow
Nevermind, I didn't know that was a screenshot of the post. Still exceptionally stupid either way. And we can't rule out that it is the same author.
Like when Neon busted agents using board screenshots that showed (You) in the posts proving it was their own creation lol.
Yet we still let their shit subreddit mod wander around here.
https://greatawakening.win/u/Oasis5150/
Dear Lord, my eyes!
Using his fists.... fucking soyboy retard.
This proves that "they" are among us. Stay vigilant frens.
For what it’s worth, I looked into the issue from my end after seeing the post here. I temporarily locked the post on Reddit while I looked into the post history of both users.
I am not convinced they are the same person. I have spoken with the Reddit user and it sounds like they were doing what a lot of people do and was sorting by new. Your GAW user is pretty well established and it seems like a stupid amount of work to put into for no real outcome (although, given how I have seen firsthand the lengths people will go to for trolling against my sub, I can’t say it’s impossible).
I don’t consider this suspicious from my end after looking at it. But thanks for keeping an eye on the sub for me. If I see any evidence my conclusion on this is wrong, I can reevaluate.
TLDR - Covering for a plant.
Of course not. You would never suspect your own kind.
"We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong. Probably."
As I said, the mods from this end are welcome to do their own investigation. If they find evidence that the GAW user was actually an infiltrator and connected to my sub, I will reevaluate my conclusion.
I feel like the half hour I spent digging through two random post histories on Zeitreise’s hunch to be sufficient, considering that this type of behavior would hurt GAW more than my own sub.
Believe it or not, I do actually care about keeping this place civil and diplomatic.
Nope. Not buying it. You can see the time differential in the screen grab.
The times don’t change once they’re opened, so a screengrab proves nothing. It only proves that the topic window had been open for X minutes at the time they were opened. It does not prove that both windows were opened at the same time.
You can get a better measure by mousing over the time in the GAW thread, mousing over the time in the Reddit thread, doing a time zone conversion, and then subtracting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/t9t087/i_am_taking_matters_into_my_own_hands/
https://greatawakening.win/p/142B0zc5Ni/x/c/4OUhcqHyNCy?d=50
I got a little over 3.5 minutes when I compared it this way (if I recall correctly, so feel free to double-check) which is plenty of time to read it, screenshot it, and post it to Reddit. People sorting by new would have seen it quickly, and I think most people visiting here sort by new.
That being said, even that time difference isn’t certain, because I don’t know that Reddit uses precisely the same clock as the communities.win websites. If the clocks aren’t exactly the same, then the time difference could be shorter or longer.
The fact is that the screenshot can’t prove both windows were opened at exactly the same time (which, when we’re talking about a difference of only two minutes, is a necessary guarantee).
And I can’t definitely prove the clocks between GAW and Reddit are consistent, but at least you can verify the times empirically on your own this way and don’t have to take my word for it.
But 3.5 minutes is all the hard evidence I have that can be verified by you guys. Anything less than that is me just taking u/Zeitreise at his word, and I really can’t make mod decisions based on taking people at their word.
If there is hard evidence that proves a time different than the 3.5 minutes established by the Reddit and GAW posting signatures, I have not seen it.
So, you've just provided a source that shows exactly what I was trying to explain, just more conveniently. Thank you.
Click your archived GAW page: https://archive.ph/puhT5
Mouse over the word "hour" to see when the post was made to the second. You'll see this: 22:42:14 GMT. For those who don't do military time, that's 10:42 and 14 seconds PM, GMT time. If you have a different time zone, then use a converter.
Now click your archived Reddit page: https://archive.ph/nHGW3
Now, mouse over the word "hour" to see when the post was made to the second. You'll see this: 22:45:42 UTC. For those who don't do military time, that's 10:45 and 42 seconds PM, UTC time. UTC is the same time zone as GMT.
Since the time zones are the same, we can just subtract the time.
22:45:42 - 22:42:14
https://www.calculator.net/time-calculator.html?tcday1=0&tchour1=22&tcminute1=45&tcsecond1=42&Op=-&tcday2=0&tchour2=22&tcminute2=42&tcsecond2=14&tcday3=1&tchour3=21&tcminute3=27&tcsecond3=56&ctype=1&x=48&y=27
According to the data you provided, there was a difference of 3 minutes and 28 seconds between the GAW post and the Reddit post.
Which is... exactly what I already said. I may have said it was a few seconds over 3.5 minutes, but your sources in no way contest anything I've said here.
The Reddit screenshot show that it was made when the GAW post had been up for two minutes ("2 minutes ago"). So that means 1.5 minutes to press a screenshot button, to open a Reddit app, and to click "upload."
So... yeah. The short time difference was suspicious. But I can see the time difference as 3.5 minutes by the source you provided.
I didn't see any obvious similarities between the posting styles between the accounts despite looking for about half an hour. I didn't see anything in either account that was suspicious for the type of account they were holding.
I didn't see how the daily investment u/Oasis5150 has in the GAW account over the last month could possibly be worth a single uninteresting Reddit screenshot.
It's certainly not a compelling case when the single piece of evidence you have is an explainably short difference in the posting times and an unwavering belief that real Q people will not get frustrated enough to post like Oasis did. I don't ban people based on your hunches and an exaggeration that is disproved by the very source you offered.
Which you've done before.
I'm not taking further actions based on your hunches. I investigated, I spoke with the user, I dug through post histories, I established my rationale using hard numbers provided by YOUR sources.
And all this in the interest of GAW, since Reddit certainly wouldn't have been harmed by any of this.
I've done more than my part. As I always seem to do when interacting with you.
Take care.
I don't need them to. I didn't have to respond at all and could have let you spin your wheels on this boringly by yourself. Nothing here affected Reddit in the least.
If you want to insist that I spent all this time and work humoring you just because I am secretly laughing at you for other social media (which... I don't actually have...), then I'll let you continue to work that out.
I was watching the first Q posts on 8chan, and I have more than enough invested here to justify my desire to keep this community stable and to engage with you respectfully.
I don't agree with Q on a lot of things, but I know he wanted thinkers, not zealots. Thinkers are allowed to look at evidence and disagree. Zealots are not. You need to reevaluate which role you're deciding to play here.
I remember it being a little further than only two minutes, more around four or five when I was comparing. It was still close enough to be suspicious which is why I looked into it.
Unfortunately, both threads have rolled into the one hour mark and I can’t see the minute difference anymore, at least from my phone.
I’m pretty sure the picture was just screenshotted on a phone and uploaded directly as an image. That takes about fifteen seconds.
We banned you because you were a one-man brigade by creating hundreds of accounts just to slam them against the ban filters and pour anger into the mod mail. Your mods should do the same thing if they were dealing with that kind of poppycock, and they do, thankfully.
I would not accept a fake post on the sub, and have removed fake posts based on evidence collected here before. If you can find evidence that you are correct, I can reevaluate, but the evidence is not strong enough just because it’s suspicious.
Sometimes there actually are innocent explanations for suspicious events. Your mods don’t take actions based on hunches, and neither do I. I am willing to look at new evidence provided by you or your mods but am not going to ban someone based solely on your disbelief that you have a genuinely frustrated user.
But why do we continue to allow him a platform? I just don't understand.
All I can say is that the hatesub crowd has a long history of infiltration into other communities. They do this for three main reasons:
Troll/Shill/Slide/Subvert
Provide content for their own sub (cross posting) to keep roping along the few legitimate users they have conned
Dismantle. They successfully took down the various Q, Pizzagate, Spirit cooking, and other research & truth seeking subreddits via organized manipulation. E.g. Create sleeper accts. Create posts that violate a litany of rules (calls for violence, etc), then self report to admins. And voila! Instant take down of a problematic community that goes against the desired NPC narratives.
Anons know all of this and have witnessed it for years, even predating Q. It wasn't until 2016 that they really ramped up their strategies.
This is why I think we should have a blanket rule of no cross posting to the hatesubs. Not even image shares. It just prods them to continue their pitiful roles. If we flat out ignore them, the intensity of their methods may fade. The glow will never stop, but refusing to acknowledge them will dampen the shine, and their spirits.
":Owls:
Light will overcome d_a_rkness.
Light will expose darkne_s_s.
Light will reveal darkness.
Light will defeat darkness.
Q"
nice seeing posts like this stickied showing people that this does go on. tried telling people for years that they create their own hate/racist posts to make groups look bad.
114k members but only 391 online? Truly a booming and happening place.
u/#glowie
I’m surprised that QTard didn’t post using his Oasis5150 account
He writes like a Leftist.
As with every post like this, it's usually called out for glowing to hard.
This guy is an idiot. Or he glows like a newly painted Radium watch dial. Or both.
Violence is a great tool. Don't waste it on worthless targets.
Sometimes I feel that way. Frustrating.
It was probably them that posted it, then they logged out to screenshot it.
Reddit, choose one
Q-Tards are "trust the plan" and dont do anything
Q-Tards are going to commit "violence".
They're not wrong. More than you know have had enough. We wait for the plan but fuck off if you gonna tell us we can't express our anger.
True, but this combination of instantly posting it is solid proof it wasn't one of us. Basically no logic for that to be instantly posted so fast.
Only the screenshot was taken 2 minutes after the post was made here. Then, the OP here saw the reddit post 4 minutes after they posted it. It doesn't mean they were posted two minutes apart. If OP here could find the 4 minute old post on Reddit, people can and do see posts here minutes after they're made. This doesn't prove anything except that the reddit person took a screenshot two minutes after the post, and OP here took a screenshot 4 minutes after the reddit post was made. Could easily ask why OP here found that Reddit post so quickly, it's the same line of thinking.
There are many ways to express our anger. If we chose the way of threatening violence, we are falling right into their trap in two ways. First, by allowing to portray us as violent. Second, letting our anger cause divisions and negativity, which is their primary goal in subverting our society. Both ways, they win.
Violence should not be committed out of anger, but only cold and calculated necessity.
You are dead to me.
u/#mjpopcorn
I actually like turnips! But also pop corn! And a million other snacks as well !
If you are looking for sympathies for being able to eat free unlimited popcorn and watch unlimited amount of movies, well you came to the right place. I feel sorry for you :)
Right, as people here constantly talk about killing/torturing pedophiles for sport 😂
*convicted pedophiles. Non offenders need help and support to get through and control their affliction. There is a case for "minor attracted persons" in that someone seeking help for their fucked up attraction doesn't deserve the stigma.
Obviously this doesn't apply to people trying to normalize and make their attractions okay. They do in fact deserve the stigma and scorn.
Did I fucking disagree?
It's not about the anger but why. Sip your tea and coffee as the world temporarily goes to shit. It's righteous indignation, son.
It does t need to be for sport. It's simple production work if you want to fix a problem
Sure denounce it. But if you don't actually feel that way sometimes you really have no fight.
It's not that I agree. I just disagree with the fact most like to fall back on Q telling them not to fight so theybcan feel better about their fear of doing it.
You likely wouldnt fight if Q told you to. Most wouldn't.